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Calin Culianu

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Ok I found drizzt. He's pretty cool looking and all.. but I hear he's
got some good items and, well, I just would like to whack him. You
know, make him sleep with the fishes...

But how do I actually DO it without cheating? He's 100% resistent to
any form of magic and I can't get close enough to slice him with my
swords because he hits 100% of the time (no matter what he rolls),
killing my characters in just 1 or 2 attacks.

So how can it be done? How can Drizzt be killed? I've heard people
have done it--was it just through cheating? Are my characters just too
weak?

I'm playing multiplayer with a level 6 fighter-mage with kick ass items
(imported from another finished game) and a level 3 fighter-mage. I also
have Minsc and Imoen, both 1 level greater than when I found them.

ANY help would be appreciated.

-Calin

Flatlander

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The complete solution has been documented on a website at
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Fields/1002/index2.htm.

Flatlander
http://www.cyberjag.com/baldur/baldurhm.htm


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Joel

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Sorry, but my neutral good alignment prevents me from encouraging such
evil actions, therefore I will not tell you!

On Thu, 12 Aug 1999 09:57:19 -0400, Calin Culianu <Ca...@bigstar.com>
wrote:

>Ok I found drizzt. He's pretty cool looking and all.. but I hear he's
>got some good items and, well, I just would like to whack him. You
>know, make him sleep with the fishes...
>
>But how do I actually DO it without cheating? He's 100% resistent to
>any form of magic and I can't get close enough to slice him with my
>swords because he hits 100% of the time (no matter what he rolls),
>killing my characters in just 1 or 2 attacks.
>
>So how can it be done? How can Drizzt be killed? I've heard people
>have done it--was it just through cheating? Are my characters just too
>weak?
>
>I'm playing multiplayer with a level 6 fighter-mage with kick ass items
>(imported from another finished game) and a level 3 fighter-mage. I also
>have Minsc and Imoen, both 1 level greater than when I found them.
>
>ANY help would be appreciated.
>
>-Calin
>

- Joel

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Kramp

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There is one basic method to do this. Surround him with summoned creatures
while still neutral (do this after killing the gnolls, but don't talk to
him!!!). Skeletons seem to be the preferred subject. You can then go of and
do other stuff while the skeletons start hacking him. It supposed to take a
while. The method I used was to surround hime with four of my charcters (3
may be possible) and remove them from the party. When surrounded, shoot
'im!. And yes, he has very good stuff. People think that this unbalances the
game, but in my opinion Bioware wouldn't have given him that stuff if it
wasn't worth the effort. Anyway, goodluck.

The Ionfyst

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Calin Culianu <Ca...@bigstar.com> wrote in message
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> But how do I actually DO it without cheating? He's 100% resistent to
> any form of magic and I can't get close enough to slice him with my
> swords because he hits 100% of the time (no matter what he rolls),
> killing my characters in just 1 or 2 attacks.
I took him out with a maxed level party of NPCS: Khalid, Jaheria, Imoen,
Edwin and Dynahier. The key is monster Summonning and wands of monster
summoning. And arrows. Lots of pointy arrows.
First, use Edwin, Imoen and Dynaheir to summon battle fodder. Lots of them.
(Imoen was a dual classed level 6 theif and level 9 transmuter. Dynahier
used a wand of monster summoning)
I sent the monsters towards Drizzt, talked to him, and agreed to help him
fight the evil gnolls.
As he ran joyfully towards the gnolls, the hobgobs, ghasts, wolves, xvarts
and kobolds jumped in and surrounded him. Completely. Then, my party began
shooting (Projectiles) + 2 at him. Every so often, my 4 spellcasters would
summon more monsters to beat Drizzt....
It took about 10 summons and many, many arrows, but eventually, when the
smoke cleared, scores of dead bodies lay around Drizzt's body.
I took the frostbrand, gave Bruenor's chainmail to Khalid(I use a plate
armour + 3 I found in Durlags' tower), and went o beat up on random
monsters. Hey, my party didn't break a sweat at all. Not a single hit point
lost! Of course, if you allow Drizzt to hit you, you're as good as
dead......

For lower level parties, Haste might needed to be added into the equation.
Remember, Drizzt only has what, 60-70 HP. 3 summons II at the same time at
any given time during the fight should work.....
And my ranger char has a strength of 21 and 23 dex. Man, I love them
manuals........


Nyarlathotep

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it's a lot less dangerous.

Anton Z.

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Scarlet Herring wrote in message <37b901b8...@news1.inter.nl.net>...
>On Sun, 15 Aug 1999 00:17:58 +0100, "Colin E"
><co...@elliottc.globalnet.co.uk> wrote:
>>And much more appropriate than murdering a hero of the realms.
>Yes, but then you can get only one sword.

Nope, you get both swords (a little save/load wouldn't hurt,
neither would a potion of master thieving), but no armor.

As for murdering a hero - isn't that the childhood dream of
every EVIL character?

Colin E

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And much more appropriate than murdering a hero of the realms.

Colin E.

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Scarlet Herring

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On Sun, 15 Aug 1999 00:17:58 +0100, "Colin E"
<co...@elliottc.globalnet.co.uk> wrote:

>And much more appropriate than murdering a hero of the realms.

Yes, but then you can get only one sword.

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Scarlet Herring
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Scarlet Herring

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On Sat, 14 Aug 1999 21:53:28 -0400, "Anton Z." <ant...@idirect.ca>
wrote:

>Nope, you get both swords (a little save/load wouldn't hurt,
>neither would a potion of master thieving), but no armor.

As I have heard, not with the patch or ToSC installed. But maybe that
isn't true. Anyway, you still miss the nice armor.

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Scarlet Herring
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Simon Perreault

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You miss the xp. And the pride.

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Lady Blue

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because he is has TASC installed, he cannot pickpocket him anymore..
that's why
Lady Blue
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> And much more appropriate than murdering a hero of the realms.
>

Scarlet Herring

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On Sun, 15 Aug 1999 10:23:01 -0400, "Simon Perreault"
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>You miss the xp. And the pride.

As an evil party, yes. A good party should be ashamed.
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Scarlet Herring
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Colin E

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You get both swords *if* you have a pre-patched version of BG [even if
he's using them!!!!].
And the armour isn't really that useful since it prevents you wearing a
ring/cloak of protection.

Colin E.

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> On Sun, 15 Aug 1999 00:17:58 +0100, "Colin E"
> <co...@elliottc.globalnet.co.uk> wrote:
>

> >And much more appropriate than murdering a hero of the realms.
>

Scarlet Herring

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On Sun, 15 Aug 1999 05:20:05 +0100, "Colin E"
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>And the armour isn't really that useful since it prevents you wearing a
>ring/cloak of protection.

My Bard is VERY happy with it. Great protection and can still
pickpocket!
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Scarlet Herring
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Colin E

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Ah, but then IMO a bard isn't very useful either :-)

Colin E.

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Ven

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Scarlet Herring wrote:

> On Sun, 15 Aug 1999 10:23:01 -0400, "Simon Perreault"
> <nom...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >You miss the xp. And the pride.
>
> As an evil party, yes. A good party should be ashamed.

Bah! Drizzt brought the drow armies to assault Mithril Hall!

Ven


Anton Z.

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Scarlet Herring wrote in message <37b6edcb...@news1.inter.nl.net>...

>On Sun, 15 Aug 1999 10:23:01 -0400, "Simon Perreault"
><nom...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>You miss the xp. And the pride.
>As an evil party, yes. A good party should be ashamed.


Shouldn't they be ashamed of pickpocketing him, too?

Anton Z.

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Ven wrote in message <37B6CC61...@yahoo.com>...

>Scarlet Herring wrote:
>> On Sun, 15 Aug 1999 10:23:01 -0400, "Simon Perreault"
>> <nom...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >You miss the xp. And the pride.
>> As an evil party, yes. A good party should be ashamed.
>Bah! Drizzt brought the drow armies to assault Mithril Hall!


He dastroyed Creshinibon and banished the tanar-ri, whatshisname.
He dropped a stalactite on Lloth's temple.
He did lots of things to balance other things out.


Scarlet Herring

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On Sun, 15 Aug 1999 21:56:18 +0100, "Colin E"
<co...@elliottc.globalnet.co.uk> wrote:

>Ah, but then IMO a bard isn't very useful either :-)

No, I agree with that, both bards and druids kinda s*ck. But I wanted
to try them both to see if my feeling about them was right. And it
was. Actually, the bard isn't so very bad: I play her like a
wand-wielding archer who makes sure my thief does not have to
specialize in pickpocketing. But in the end, I guess I prefer a mage
or a thief dual-classed as mage over a bard. I never use the bardsong,
which is the only thing that makes a bard special. And don't start me
about druids - Aargh!

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Colin McMeekin

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You can only hit him on a natural 20, try summoning hordes of animals
/skeletons etc to hold him up while your hasted fighters attack with arrows.
Try large damage arrows such as acid/ice arrows, also , those that poison
him (he occasionally fails a save). As an alternative I tried using my main
character , (with plenty of potions of speed), to attack while my party hid
on the other side of map . Attack , then run when he closes ...and repeat
... He really dosn't have such a low AC, the max in AD & D is AC -12 (for a
dragon) but I guess the programmers wanted to discourage such things. Its a
real pain when your primary figher , thaco -2 , misses on a 19 ...

Drizzt himself has also way too many hp's, although he is in AD& D terms , i
forget but roughly he is
Fighter lv 17 , ranger 15? attacks per round 5 , if he hits greater than
what was needed he has a variable chance of automatic kill...also as a drow
on the surface (for years) he has no magic resistance (but the programmers
disagree).

Colin .....


--
Lord, blind mine eyes to these visions and deafen my ears to the screams,
for I have seen legions of Gods' Army fall and heard the dying cries of ten
thousand angels.
Guide my hand my Lord.
For what I see is the coming end of the Kingdom Of Heaven.
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Calin Culianu <Ca...@bigstar.com> wrote in message
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> Ok I found drizzt. He's pretty cool looking and all.. but I hear he's
> got some good items and, well, I just would like to whack him. You
> know, make him sleep with the fishes...
>

> But how do I actually DO it without cheating? He's 100% resistent to
> any form of magic and I can't get close enough to slice him with my
> swords because he hits 100% of the time (no matter what he rolls),
> killing my characters in just 1 or 2 attacks.
>

Anton Z.

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Colin McMeekin wrote in message <7p7r4e$cfk$1...@news4.svr.pol.co.uk>...

>You can only hit him on a natural 20, try summoning hordes of animals
>/skeletons etc to hold him up while your hasted fighters attack with
arrows.
>Try large damage arrows such as acid/ice arrows, also , those that poison
>him (he occasionally fails a save). As an alternative I tried using my
main
>character , (with plenty of potions of speed), to attack while my party hid
>on the other side of map . Attack , then run when he closes ...and repeat
>... He really dosn't have such a low AC, the max in AD & D is AC -12 (for a
>dragon) but I guess the programmers wanted to discourage such things. Its a
>real pain when your primary figher , thaco -2 , misses on a 19 ...
>
>Drizzt himself has also way too many hp's, although he is in AD& D terms ,
i
>forget but roughly he is
>Fighter lv 17 , ranger 15? attacks per round 5 , if he hits greater than
>what was needed he has a variable chance of automatic kill...also as a drow
>on the surface (for years) he has no magic resistance (but the programmers
>disagree).
>


An easiest way: animate/summon, order them to attack, and leave Drizzt out
of
your field of view. Your skeletons attack him, he does not respond. One dead
drow coming up.

Fylla & Sprit

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I agree about druids, but bards are ok, not great, but ok
I also decided to try a bard and a druid, so a used Eldoth and Faldorn
in the same party. Eldoth is actually rather useful: free identify and
free remove fear helps and he gets a fair share of the kills (about
12%). A bard and a conjurer are a great combination.

Faldorn, on the other hand, is probably the most useless charcter in the
game.


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Fylla & Sprit

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There was a post(Rockz?) a while ago about beating Drizzt in a
one-on-one fight. It is possible to hit him with a lower roll than 20,
if you use a blunt or crushing weapon and a potion of storm giant
strength. A level 8 dwarven fighter with ++++ in spiked, Kiel's
morningstar and good armor (golden girdle is a must!) will probably have
a fair chance to kill him.


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Ven

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"Anton Z." wrote:

> >> >You miss the xp. And the pride.
> >> As an evil party, yes. A good party should be ashamed.
> >Bah! Drizzt brought the drow armies to assault Mithril Hall!
>
> He dastroyed Creshinibon and banished the tanar-ri, whatshisname.

No he didn't (on the first). He did, in fact, give the Crystal Shard
into the hands of a powerful enemy...
As for Errtu, does self-defense really count?

> He dropped a stalactite on Lloth's temple.

His sort-of girlfriend did that.

> He did lots of things to balance other things out.

Brought an undead drow assassin upon a peaceful colony
of sentient fungi-men! Launched an unprovoked attack on
a small band of giants! Brought the above tanar'ri back into
this world!

Ven

"Kill the humans, kill the elves! Save the gold for ourselves!"
From the animated version of "The Hobbit".


Anton Z.

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Ven wrote in message <37B80071...@yahoo.com>...

>"Anton Z." wrote:
>
>> >> >You miss the xp. And the pride.
>> >> As an evil party, yes. A good party should be ashamed.
>> >Bah! Drizzt brought the drow armies to assault Mithril Hall!
>>
>> He dastroyed Creshinibon and banished the tanar-ri, whatshisname.
>
>No he didn't (on the first). He did, in fact, give the Crystal Shard
>into the hands of a powerful enemy...
> As for Errtu, does self-defense really count?
>
>> He dropped a stalactite on Lloth's temple.
>
>His sort-of girlfriend did that.
>
>> He did lots of things to balance other things out.
>
>Brought an undead drow assassin upon a peaceful colony
>of sentient fungi-men! Launched an unprovoked attack on
>a small band of giants! Brought the above tanar'ri back into
>this world!


Did not! An idiot mage summoned him, and Errtu dispelled the circle of
protection.

Giants were evil...hell, I can't even convince myself. Get him!


Rens H. Veldhuis

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Anton Z. wrote in message ...

>Scarlet Herring wrote in message <37b6edcb...@news1.inter.nl.net>...
>>On Sun, 15 Aug 1999 10:23:01 -0400, "Simon Perreault"
>><nom...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>You miss the xp. And the pride.
>>As an evil party, yes. A good party should be ashamed.
>
>
>Shouldn't they be ashamed of pickpocketing him, too?


No, all it takes is a thief's mentality. And a chaotic alignment, perhaps?

Raven

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Anton Z. <ant...@idirect.ca> wrote in message
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> Rens H. Veldhuis wrote in message <7pf1ko$jie$1...@news.telekabel.nl>...
> (Does anyone know what alignment Tasslehoff Burrfoot is?)
>
> How come, in Baldur's Gate, a thief can't be Lawful Good alignment? I
mean,
> why can he be Lawful Evil, or Lawful Neutral, but not Lawful Good? I think
> all Lawful alignments should be banned for him, since "thief" implies
> criminal actions, and if he's doing it by law, he's called a "tax
> collector",
> not a thief.
>
>
Uh, a theif can't be any lawful alignment. Only chaotic and neutral ones. I
figure Tasslehoff was chaotic neutral. He was insane.

Anton Z.

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Claire Abraham

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Colin E wrote:
>
> Ah, but then IMO a bard isn't very useful either :-)

Shrug. He's a walking, talking Identify spell. That can be handy. Not
my first choice, but in my most recent game I've actually figured out
what on earth Garrick is good for.

Rens H. Veldhuis

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>
>(Does anyone know what alignment Tasslehoff Burrfoot is?)

According to 'Dragons of Mystery' (a Dragonlance Game Accessory), Tas is
neutral.

>
>How come, in Baldur's Gate, a thief can't be Lawful Good alignment? I mean,
>why can he be Lawful Evil, or Lawful Neutral, but not Lawful Good? I think
>all Lawful alignments should be banned for him, since "thief" implies
>criminal actions, and if he's doing it by law, he's called a "tax
>collector",
>not a thief.


Agreed.

Scarlet Herring

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On Thu, 19 Aug 1999 00:25:42 -0400, "Anton Z." <ant...@idirect.ca>
wrote:

>How come, in Baldur's Gate, a thief can't be Lawful Good alignment? I mean,


>why can he be Lawful Evil, or Lawful Neutral, but not Lawful Good? I think
>all Lawful alignments should be banned for him, since "thief" implies
>criminal actions, and if he's doing it by law, he's called a "tax
>collector",
>not a thief.

A "tax collector" would be lawful neutral in my opinion. He has no
concern for the welfare of people, he just follows orders from the
government, whether the tax laws are fair or not.

A "lawful good" thief would be stealing in the best interest of
people. What about a thief who only steals cursed items?

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Rens H. Veldhuis

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<snip>

"thief" implies
>>criminal actions, and if he's doing it by law, he's called a "tax
>>collector",
>>not a thief.
>
>A "tax collector" would be lawful neutral in my opinion. He has no
>concern for the welfare of people, he just follows orders from the
>government, whether the tax laws are fair or not.
>
>A "lawful good" thief would be stealing in the best interest of
>people. What about a thief who only steals cursed items?
>
>-------------------------
>Scarlet Herring
>scarlet...@yahoo.com

Or a character like Robin Hood. But are they really lawful? Good, yes. But
wouldn't he/she be more like NG than LG? Even if you steal things out of the
goodness of your heart, it may be difficult to find a law that allows your
behaviour. Unless we're talking about a personal set of rules, values and
laws, which would be more consistent with a chaotic alignment.

Anton Z.

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Rens H. Veldhuis wrote in message <7phf98$ovo$1...@news.telekabel.nl>...

>Or a character like Robin Hood. But are they really lawful? Good, yes. But
>wouldn't he/she be more like NG than LG? Even if you steal things out of
the
>goodness of your heart, it may be difficult to find a law that allows your
>behaviour. Unless we're talking about a personal set of rules, values and
>laws, which would be more consistent with a chaotic alignment.


Robin Hood is definitely Chaotic Good, and the Sherriff is Lawful Evil,
those two are, I think, the most-used examples when talking of alignments
(Aren't they used in AD&D manual? I forget where I put it, so I can't check)

Simon Nejmann

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On Thu, 19 Aug 1999 00:25:42 -0400, "Anton Z." <ant...@idirect.ca>
wrote:

>(Does anyone know what alignment Tasslehoff Burrfoot is?)

After reading the descriptions of the alignments in the manual I would
guess that he is Chaotic Good - I quote:

"Their actions are guided by their own moral compass wich, although
good, may not always be in perfect agreement with the rest of society"

Sounds like Tasslehoff to me :)

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AKA Dead_Frog


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I have found another solution that may or may not
work for you. I have tried charming various
monsters and making them attack Drizzt while I
left the screen, and as many people have said, it
works, but you will lose ten points of your
reputation. I found a better way, that requires a
little patience.

To kill Drizzt, I entered the map screen from the
left. I had Imoen hide in shadows and sneak over
to the gnolls and Drizzt. I waited for him to
kill one of the gnolls and then I had Imoen stab a
gnoll. This causes her to leave shadows. Next
talk to Drizzt while the gnolls are all around.
Tell him that you will not help him and that your
mind is made up....he is on his own.

It is important here that the gnolls attack Drizzt
and not Imoen. Sometimes they ignore Drizzt
completely but go after her. With the steps
listed above, the gnolls should go after Drizzt.
Place the cursor on Drizzt and hit to talk to him.
Keep hitting to talk to him. Hit is once every
second or two. He will talk, but there will be no
text. Meanwhile, he will have like 10 gnolls
attacking him. They must roll an attack of 20 to
score a hit, and will take some time to kill him.

Every now and then, a gnoll might attack Imoen,
but she was only hit twice for me:) Drizzt on the
other hand was not so lucky. After about five
minutes of continuous clicking, he fell over dead.
I brought my party in and cleaned up the gnolls. I
claimed Drizzt's equipment as my own!

And the best part....NO reputation penalty!!!!

The gnolls killed him....not me...

JBurling

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jbur...@mindspring.com

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The gnolls killed him....not me...(innocent grin)

Bill Mason

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Actually, IIRC, from the AD&D DragonLance modules, Tasslehoff is true
neutral. I remember disagreeing with it when DM'ing.


Simon Nejmann wrote in message <37bc4a8e....@news.image.dk>...

Calin Culianu

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That's a very clever strategy that almost borders on cheating because it
exploits a bug in the game. However, I LIKE it a lot! Its very clean.

But the lost reputation points can always be reclaimed by donating to
the temple and also you miss out on the 12,000 XP!!


jbur...@my-deja.com wrote:

Colin E

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But an illusionist with 'identify' memorised can do that, use wands and
gets to be something useful eventually

Colin E.

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