***AIRBUS BLAMES PILOTS***
T. D. Ponder
Once again, an aircraft manufacturer, this time the European Airbus
Consortium, is attempting to blame pilots for what many pilots consider
apparent manufacturing design errors in the crash last month of American
Airlines FL587, an Airbus A310 that plowed into a New York City neighborhood
shortly after departing JFK killing 265 people. The Airbus (called the
Scarebus by some US pilots) crashed into a residential area after its tail
section apparently separated in midair.
And now, according to news reports, Airbus and Boeing seem to be attempting
to blame American Airlines' doomed pilots for incorrect rudder usage.
Fact:
Aircraft manufactures design and build aircraft.
Fact:
The FAA approves design and performance data according to strict regulations
and certifies aircraft makes and models as being airworthy.
Airworthy --- as in flyable within all normal operating envelopes with
normal piloting skills and abilities!
This does not mean that the "tail" should routinely come off if a pilot
needs to use rudder deflection fully to its design limits, and that means
FAA certified "Design Limits!"
So, here it appears that the aircraft manufacturer is choosing to point
toward some alleged pilot input, not especially difficult to do since those
pilots were killed, to take away attention from a possible inherent fault
with the design and manufacture of its aircraft.
For a pilot, this is unconscionable. Boeing tried it with its defective
Boeing 737 rudder control system, but didn't get away with it. The FAA
mandated design changes for the B737 rudder system after two crashes that
were believed to have involved the B737's rudder system.
It remains to be seen if Airbus is going to get away with an attempt to
blame pilots now. I would hope the FAA in its current investigation will be
able to show the exact structural nature of this crash.
There are two deceased American Airline pilots who need badly to be
exonerated!
If Airbus gets away with this one, the trend of always blaming pilots for
design defects will just go on an on.
At least one news report stated, "...regardless of how the rudder may have
been moved, the tail shouldn't have sheared off the way it did, some pilots
and American officials have said."
Stand up and scream, fellow pilots. We are about to be blamed once again!
###
T.D. Ponder
Airline Transport Pilot
10,000+ hrs. Pilot in Command
Birmingham, AL 350641
THIS POSTING IS ANTHRAX FREE
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John Mazor
news:7b2v0usm0d3onic9a...@4ax.com...
> On or about Thu, 6 Dec 2001 03:45:41 -0600, "T. D. Ponder"
> <pon...@charter.net> wrote:
>
> >Stand up and scream, fellow pilots. We are about to be blamed once
again!
>
I could never tell them apart.
T. D. Ponder
It just may be time for grounding A300-600's, eh? You will not find me on
one!
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Lima. Peru (AvWeb) --- An American Airlines Airbus A300-600 departing Lima
Wednesday evening experienced severe rudder problems and returned to land
safely at the airport. Pilots said the aircraft began "fish-tailing" soon
after takeoff. Investigators are examining the flight recorders. The
aircraft is the same model aircraft as American Airlines Flight 587, which
crashed in New York on November 12, killing 260 people on the plane and five
people on the ground. Rudder problems are suspected in that crash.
"John Mazor" <maz...@erols.com> wrote in message
news:9upot6$nc8$1...@bob.news.rcn.net...
T. D. Ponder
It just may be time for grounding A300-600's, eh? You will not find me on
one!
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Lima. Peru (Awe) --- An American Airlines Airbus A300-600 departing Lima
Wednesday evening experienced severe rudder problems and returned to land
safely at the airport. Pilots said the aircraft began "fish-tailing" soon
after takeoff. Investigators are examining the flight recorders. The
aircraft is the same model aircraft as American Airlines Flight 587, which
crashed in New York on November 12, killing 260 people on the plane and five
people on the ground. Rudder problems are suspected in that crash.
"T. D. Ponder" <pon...@charter.net> wrote in message
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elysium
http://www.casa.gov.au/avreg/aircraft/ad/OVER/AB3/AB3-107.HTM
elysium
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Tarver Engineering
"elysium" <kata...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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This one is even better.
http://www.casa.gov.au/avreg/aircraft/ad/OVER/AB3/AB3-088.HTM
elysium
reply to Paul regarding the 737 thread.
elysium
"Tarver Engineering" <jta...@sierratel.com> wrote in message
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Phil Miller
wrote:
>Interesting Australian AD :-
>
>http://www.casa.gov.au/avreg/aircraft/ad/OVER/AB3/AB3-107.HTM
>
>
>elysium
While you're at the casa site click on News in the Regulars section. It
downloads a pdf file. Check out the picture of the Piper Seminole on
page 4.
Phil
Dave Holford
> >
> > And now, according to news reports, Airbus and Boeing seem to be
> attempting
> > to blame American Airlines' doomed pilots for incorrect rudder usage.
> >
Interesting that BOTH BOEING and AIRBUS advised AA that pilots were
being trained incorrectly but the header on this thread conveniently
omits the name BOEING.
Dave
Phil Miller
<phi...@REMOVEoptusnet.com.au> wrote:
>On Fri, 7 Dec 2001 10:05:24 -0600, "elysium" <kata...@hotmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Interesting Australian AD :-
>>
>>http://www.casa.gov.au/avreg/aircraft/ad/OVER/AB3/AB3-107.HTM
>>
>>
>>elysium
>
>While you're at the casa site click on News in the Regulars section. It
>downloads a pdf file. Check out the picture of the Piper Seminole on
>page 4.
Whoops! Head cold. Of course I need to tell you to go to this page:
http://www.casa.gov.au/avreg/fsa/01sept.htm
and then click news etc...
Doh!
Bertie the Bunyip
news:u11lqrd...@corp.supernews.com:
> 12/06/01
>
> It just may be time for grounding A300-600's, eh? You will not find me
> on one!
Thank God for small mercies.
Bertie
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ---- ---
Green Paco
wrote:
>12/06/01
>
>It just may be time for grounding A300-600's, eh? You will not find me on
>one!
Don't worry about it. Rudders are one thing, but add 2 engines
departing in-flight - it's not a defective rudder. I can't belive we
are to accept this line of B.S. that the plane just fell apart. What's
more, I can't belive J. Q. Public is buying it!
Not flying ANY plane for now (except my own)
--
Phil Miller
>In article <eq731ugnq04qfo361...@4ax.com>,
>phi...@REMOVEoptusnet.com.au says...
>> On Sat, 08 Dec 2001 09:50:00 +1100, Phil Miller
>> <phi...@REMOVEoptusnet.com.au> wrote:
>>
>> >On Fri, 7 Dec 2001 10:05:24 -0600, "elysium" <kata...@hotmail.com>
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >>Interesting Australian AD :-
>> >>
>> >>http://www.casa.gov.au/avreg/aircraft/ad/OVER/AB3/AB3-107.HTM
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>elysium
>> >
>> >While you're at the casa site click on News in the Regulars section. It
>> >downloads a pdf file. Check out the picture of the Piper Seminole on
>> >page 4.
>>
>> Whoops! Head cold. Of course I need to tell you to go to this page:
>> http://www.casa.gov.au/avreg/fsa/01sept.htm
>> and then click news etc...
>>
>> Doh!
>>
>> Phil
>
>Aahh, now I got it. "Would sir like a little more ventilation for this
>flight, since he complained about the stuffiness last trip......?"
>
Hey! Don' pick on me! I'm sick! Ok? :-(
Phil
-----------
If lawyers are disbarred and clergymen defrocked, doesn't it follow
that electricians can be delighted, musicians denoted, prostitutes
delayed, cowboys deranged, models deposed, tree surgeons debarked,
dry cleaners depressed, MPs dismembered, and magicians disillusioned?
Bertie the Bunyip
news:D87AF68CF89ACA12.8BF0AC49...@lp.airnews.net:
Another small mercy.
I always wonder about the mental state of my pax..
Now the world knows why.
Bertie
Ralph Livingston
Yeah, can't tell them apart! Har, Har, etc.
But telling us apart, is not nearly as difficult as trying to figure where
Duane's ASS ends, and John Mazor's nose begins, eh?
You pathetic KISSASS, Mazor.
Limey Dave
"Phil Miller" <phi...@REMOVEoptusnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:eq731ugnq04qfo361...@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 08 Dec 2001 09:50:00 +1100, Phil Miller
> <phi...@REMOVEoptusnet.com.au> wrote:
>
> >On Fri, 7 Dec 2001 10:05:24 -0600, "elysium" <kata...@hotmail.com>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>Interesting Australian AD :-
> >>
> >>http://www.casa.gov.au/avreg/aircraft/ad/OVER/AB3/AB3-107.HTM
> >>
> >>
> >>elysium
> >
> >While you're at the casa site click on News in the Regulars section. It
> >downloads a pdf file. Check out the picture of the Piper Seminole on
> >page 4.
>
> Whoops! Head cold. Of course I need to tell you to go to this page:
> http://www.casa.gov.au/avreg/fsa/01sept.htm
> and then click news etc...
>
> Doh!
>
Would you like that regular or thick-sliced?
Limey Dave.
Phil Miller
My thoughts exactly. Looks just like a freshly sliced loaf.
What an embarrassing thing to do, eh?
Limey Dave
> On Tue, 11 Dec 2001 22:11:23 GMT, "Limey Dave"
> <david...@NOworldCRAPnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Phil Miller" <phi...@REMOVEoptusnet.com.au> wrote in message
> >news:eq731ugnq04qfo361...@4ax.com...
> >> On Sat, 08 Dec 2001 09:50:00 +1100, Phil Miller
> >> <phi...@REMOVEoptusnet.com.au> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Fri, 7 Dec 2001 10:05:24 -0600, "elysium" <kata...@hotmail.com>
> >> >wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>Interesting Australian AD :-
> >> >>
> >> >>http://www.casa.gov.au/avreg/aircraft/ad/OVER/AB3/AB3-107.HTM
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>elysium
> >> >
> >> >While you're at the casa site click on News in the Regulars section.
It
> >> >downloads a pdf file. Check out the picture of the Piper Seminole on
> >> >page 4.
> >>
> >> Whoops! Head cold. Of course I need to tell you to go to this page:
> >> http://www.casa.gov.au/avreg/fsa/01sept.htm
> >> and then click news etc...
> >>
> >> Doh!
> >>
> >
> >Would you like that regular or thick-sliced?
>
> My thoughts exactly. Looks just like a freshly sliced loaf.
>
> What an embarrassing thing to do, eh?
>
Didn't read the report, was it a runaway....no-one in the 'plane?
Limey Dave.
btw phil, congrats on the board!
Phil Miller
<david...@NOworldCRAPnet.att.net> wrote:
No, no injuries. Amazingly.
A guy was hand starting a Piper Saratoga without chocks, handbrake, or
anyone in the cockpit. Of course the aircraft started and got away from
him. Ran into 4 Piper Warriors and then the Seminole. About $1.5 million
in damage.
>Limey Dave.
>btw phil, congrats on the board!
Thanks. Cheers,
Limey Dave
What a silly boy, he must've felt.
>
> >Limey Dave.
> >btw phil, congrats on the board!
>
> Thanks. Cheers,
>
Good luck with the phys.
Limey Dave.
Jacob K Philip
But watch your splelling & grammer,Raph.
Mazor is such a sensitive soul.
jacob
Helicenter School
Phil Miller
Don't be shy. Type something. :-)
Lady Pilot
Okay Phil. :)
.......................Merry Christmas....I love your website.
LP
Tarver Engineering
"Lady Pilot" <Ladypi...@exciteME.com> wrote in message
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Merry Christmas sweetie.
xxoo
We just got TSOA c-106 for our ADC-600 converter.
John
Limey Dave
Is that the one that guarantees you'll never burn another slice of toast
again?
Limey Dave.
Tarver Engineering
"Limey Dave" <david...@NOworldCRAPnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:nEyU7.305045$W8.10...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
> "Tarver Engineering" <jta...@sierratel.com> wrote in message
> news:3c218630$1...@news.sierratel.com...
> >
> > "Lady Pilot" <Ladypi...@exciteME.com> wrote in message
> > news:xEUT7.84334$Sx.23...@news1.elcjn1.sdca.home.com...
> > >
> > > "Phil Miller" <phi...@REMOVEoptusnet.com.au> wrote in message
> > > news:rqsv1u8sp0f8v2ffk...@4ax.com...
> > >
> > > Okay Phil. :)
> > >
> > > .......................Merry Christmas....I love your website.
> >
> > Merry Christmas sweetie.
> >
> > xxoo
> >
> > We just got TSOA c-106 for our ADC-600 converter.
> Is that the one that guarantees you'll never burn another slice of toast
> again?
Nope, all it does is let the Falcon factory meet RVSM for their retrofits.
John
Paul Gooding
Falcon is making kitchen appliances now?
Hey John, have a Merry Christmas .... and stay away from the eggnog.
Cheers,
PG
Tarver Engineering
"Paul Gooding" <ppgo...@rocketmail.com> wrote in message
news:VkJV7.82594$Wd.24...@news1.rdc1.az.home.com...
My bad, I should have remembered pauli wouldn't know the difference between
RVSM and a hamburger press.
John
Paul Gooding
Hamburger Press? Isn't that the newspaper that carries your column?
Bertie the Bunyip
Bwawhahwhahhwhaw !
What Cat3 RVSM, splaps boy?
Berti e
Limey Dave
their older dryers???
Limey Dave.
Ralph Livingston
Stick to paint mixers, Stupid! At least you know something about those. :)
Paul Gooding
Hope you and yours are having a holly jolly whatever. Have a great New
Year, too.
Cheers,
PG
"JL Grasso" <jerry_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On or about Thu, 27 Dec 2001 01:53:27 GMT, "Ralph Livingston"
> <aeros...@earthlink.net> temporarily regained consciousness, sat bolt
> upright and screamed the following irrelevancy at the crowd of innocent
> folks waiting in alt.disasters.aviation:
> Let us know when you stick to something besides naugahyde, eh fatass!
>
>
> Jerry
Limey Dave
again, i make money flying airplanes.....and I check my own aircraft
fire-extinguishers each month, instead of having a safety ape come and do
it. Speaking of extinguishers....how's business? Sign enough bottles to get
checked out in a 172 yet? Still haven't seen you at the airport.
Limey dave.
Limey Dave
"JL Grasso" <jerry_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:690l2us40fptfgqsf...@4ax.com...
> On or about Thu, 27 Dec 2001 01:53:27 GMT, "Ralph Livingston"
> <aeros...@earthlink.net> temporarily regained consciousness, sat bolt
> upright and screamed the following irrelevancy at the crowd of innocent
> folks waiting in alt.disasters.aviation:
>
> >
>
>
he's only a twitcher....come in for a breather?
Limey Dave.
Tarver Engineering
>
> "JL Grasso" <jerry_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:690l2us40fptfgqsf...@4ax.com...
> > On or about Thu, 27 Dec 2001 01:53:27 GMT, "Ralph Livingston"
<snip >
> > Let us know when you stick to something besides naugahyde, eh fatass!
> >
> >
> Phwaaaahr! How about the leather couch in the FBO right before they find
out
> he's only a twitcher....come in for a breather?
You like to get a good sniff of that, don't you dave?
John
Lady Pilot
"Tarver Engineering" <jta...@sierratel.com> wrote in message
news:3c218630$1...@news.sierratel.com...
>
>
> Merry Christmas sweetie.
>
> xxoo
>
> We just got TSOA c-106 for our ADC-600 converter.
Congrats on your TSO authority for your air data computer converter. Just
in time for Christmas I see....
I hope you had a very Merry Christmas!
LP
Lady Pilot
"Ralph Livingston" <aeros...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:ravW7.19746$Cw3.2...@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
>
> >
> > "Tarver Engineering" <jta...@sierratel.com> wrote in message
> retrofits.
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > You sure it doesn't let the kenmore factory add the revers-o-matic chip
to
> > their older dryers???
> >
> > Limey Dave.
>
>
> Stick to paint mixers, Stupid! At least you know something about those.
:)
Ahh, give Limey a break Ralph. Sniffing all that paint, Limey has a hard
time remembering what month it is now. :)
LP
Lady Pilot
> LOL. Good one, JL.
>
> Hope you and yours are having a holly jolly whatever. Have a great New
> Year, too.
>
> Cheers,
> PG
What's gotten in to you Paul? This must be an imposter....because you are
*way* to happy to be Paul. ;-). Hope you had a wonderful Christmas.
LP
gidget green
Now stop that Dave, I certainly wouldn't call you stupid. As for
Ralphie, had a funny incident here at the hospital the other day. A
funny looking little man was checking the fire extinguisher so I
thought "what the heck" and burst out with "Ralphie? is that you boy?"
- he was so startled that he answered back in a completely southern
Alabama accent "sorry Miss, no habla Espanol"! and scurried off, not
taking the extinguisher he came to replace. Now you don't think that I
just may have been a victim of a Ralphie sighting, do you? -Gigi
Limey Dave
sniffing today?
Limey Dave.
Limey Dave
"Lady Pilot" <Ladypi...@exciteME.com> wrote in message
Limey Dave.
Limey Dave
"gidget green" <gidg...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Bwaaaaaaaaaahahawahwahwahwahwah!
Well, you're certainly far enough from an airport, that it is a distinct
possibility. Have your doctor check your vitals, at once!
Limey Dave.
Tarver Engineering
I mean you want to sniff Ralphy's ass sweat on naugahyde.
John
Tarver Engineering
"Lady Pilot" <Ladypi...@exciteME.com> wrote in message
Not to mention dave pissing himself constantly.
John
Tarver Engineering
"Lady Pilot" <Ladypi...@exciteME.com> wrote in message
>
> "Tarver Engineering" <jta...@sierratel.com> wrote in message
> news:3c218630$1...@news.sierratel.com...
> >
> > "Lady Pilot" <Ladypi...@exciteME.com> wrote:
> >
> > Merry Christmas sweetie.
> >
> > xxoo
> >
> > We just got TSOA c-106 for our ADC-600 converter.
>
> Congrats on your TSO authority for your air data computer converter. Just
> in time for Christmas I see....
The French are so happy and Honeywell too.
> I hope you had a very Merry Christmas!
A prosperous New Year to you Deb.
John
Limey Dave
Limey Dave.
Limey Dave
Limey Dave.
Limey Dave
Awwwwwwww, loon love. Ain't nut'n like it!
Limey dave.
Phil Miller
<david...@NOworldCRAPnet.att.net> wrote:
Bwahahahahahaha!!
Phil
-----------
And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space
'cause there's bugger all down here on Earth.
Monty Python's "Galaxy Song"
Lady Pilot
Lady Pilot
LP
Lady Pilot
>
> "Lady Pilot" <Ladypi...@exciteME.com> wrote in message
> news:tCZW7.6224$NC1.1...@news1.elcjn1.sdca.home.com...
> >
> > "Tarver Engineering" <jta...@sierratel.com> wrote in message
> > news:3c218630$1...@news.sierratel.com...
> > >
> > > "Lady Pilot" <Ladypi...@exciteME.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Merry Christmas sweetie.
> > >
> > > xxoo
> > >
> > > We just got TSOA c-106 for our ADC-600 converter.
> >
> > Congrats on your TSO authority for your air data computer converter.
Just
> > in time for Christmas I see....
>
> The French are so happy and Honeywell too.
I'm so happy for you. Why don't you call the liquor store on the corner to
send Ladypilot a case of whatever it is you're drinking (they know the
address :-))........ otherwise a nice Merlot will be fine.
>
> > I hope you had a very Merry Christmas!
>
> A prosperous New Year to you Deb.
>
> John
>
>
Same to you John! (I'm sure it will be)
LP
Lady Pilot
> >
> >
> Not constantly. Only when I read your posts!
>
> Limey Dave.
>
>
LP
Lady Pilot
Aahhhh, you sound a bit jealous. Or are you just envious of being a real
person instead of the sockpuppet you are?
LP
Limey Dave
Limey Dave
"Lady Pilot" <Ladypi...@exciteME.com> wrote in message
Limey Dave
"Lady Pilot" <Ladypi...@exciteME.com> wrote in message
Every time I think you couldn't be any stoopider....you go and say something
like that......and totally redeem yourself!
Limey Dave.
Limey Dave
"Lady Pilot" <Ladypi...@exciteME.com> wrote in message
Limey Dave.
Limey Dave
"Lady Pilot" <Ladypi...@exciteME.com> wrote in message
Limey Dave.
Limey Dave
"Lady Pilot" <Ladypi...@exciteME.com> wrote in message
>
> "Tarver Engineering" <jta...@sierratel.com> wrote in message
> news:3c2c...@news.sierratel.com...
> >
> > "Lady Pilot" <Ladypi...@exciteME.com> wrote in message
> > news:tCZW7.6224$NC1.1...@news1.elcjn1.sdca.home.com...
> > >
> > > "Tarver Engineering" <jta...@sierratel.com> wrote in message
> > > news:3c218630$1...@news.sierratel.com...
> > > >
> > > > "Lady Pilot" <Ladypi...@exciteME.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Merry Christmas sweetie.
> > > >
> > > > xxoo
> > > >
> > > > We just got TSOA c-106 for our ADC-600 converter.
> > >
> > > Congrats on your TSO authority for your air data computer converter.
> Just
> > > in time for Christmas I see....
> >
> > The French are so happy and Honeywell too.
>
> I'm so happy for you. Why don't you call the liquor store on the corner
to
> send Ladypilot a case of whatever it is you're drinking (they know the
> address :-))........ otherwise a nice Merlot will be fine.
Something else the loonies have in common.....accounts at the licker store!
Limey Dave.
Lady Pilot
LP
Lady Pilot
Did I make you blush? You must only dream of things like that, huh?
LP
Limey Dave
"Lady Pilot" <Ladypi...@exciteME.com> wrote in message
Limey Dave
"Lady Pilot" <Ladypi...@exciteME.com> wrote in message
go again, pushing that envelope.
Limey Dave.
Lady Pilot
LP (boggle)
Tarver Engineering
> Brilliant, you are john.
Well and we have all suspected the same for a long time.
John
Lady Pilot
afternoon and told no one I was coming back today or Monday. (I told you I
had a classy client!) I found out that he was a C-145 (tanker) pilot back
in Vietnam. Isn't that the civilian equivilent to a Boeing 707 or 717?
LP
Lady Pilot
Still just a "wannabe" is see....
LP
Flur A Do'ruinn
<jta...@sierratel.com> wrote:
>
>"Limey Dave" <david...@NOworldCRAPnet.att.net> wrote in message
>news:%e1X7.200835$WW.11...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>
>> "Tarver Engineering" <jta...@sierratel.com> wrote in message
>> news:3c2c...@news.sierratel.com...
>> >
>> > "Limey Dave" <david...@NOworldCRAPnet.att.net> wrote in message
>> > news:vCOW7.312753$W8.11...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>> > >
>> > > "JL Grasso" <jerry_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> > > news:690l2us40fptfgqsf...@4ax.com...
>> > > > On or about Thu, 27 Dec 2001 01:53:27 GMT, "Ralph Livingston"
>> >
>> > <snip >
>> >
>> > > > Let us know when you stick to something besides naugahyde, eh
>fatass!
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > Phwaaaahr! How about the leather couch in the FBO right before they
>find out
>> > > he's only a twitcher....come in for a breather?
>> >
>> > You like to get a good sniff of that, don't you dave?
>> >
>> >
>> What splappy? Leather, you mean?
>
>I mean you want to sniff Ralphy's ass sweat on naugahyde.
Good lord, John, you have a rather sick mind.
KRC
Flur A Do'ruinn
I never found it to taste like fish. maybe it was just the other
person, I don't know. Nice double entendre, though.
KRC
Ralph Livingston
>
> "Ralph Livingston" <aeros...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:ravW7.19746$Cw3.2...@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
> >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Lady Pilot" <Ladypi...@exciteME.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:xEUT7.84334$Sx.23...@news1.elcjn1.sdca.home.com...> > > > > > > news:rqsv1u8sp0f8v2ffk...@4ax.com...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Okay Phil. :)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > .......................Merry Christmas....I love your website.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Merry Christmas sweetie.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > xxoo
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We just got TSOA c-106 for our ADC-600 converter.
> > > >
> > toast
> > > > > again?
> > > >
> > > > Nope, all it does is let the Falcon factory meet RVSM for their
> > retrofits.
> > > >
> > > > John
> > > >
> > > You sure it doesn't let the kenmore factory add the revers-o-matic
chip
> to
> > > their older dryers???
> > >
> > > Limey Dave.
> >
> >
> > Stick to paint mixers, Stupid! At least you know something about those.
> :)
> >
> >
> again, i make money flying airplanes.....and I check my own aircraft
> fire-extinguishers each month, instead of having a safety ape come and do
> it. Speaking of extinguishers....how's business? Sign enough bottles to
get
> checked out in a 172 yet? Still haven't seen you at the airport.
>
> Limey dave.
Always putting on the Ritz for your Net Buddies, eh Dave? Pathetic,
indeed...
The bottom line is, you wouldn't see me at the freaking airport regardless!
That would be impossible when you are out off the Sawgrass painting houses
as a second rate sub contractor, Dummy. Fly Jets, my ass, HeHeHe.....
Hows that hot ride, slick? Paid for yet? Just three hundred more houses
and it's all yours. :)
Ralph Livingston
Well, don't feel free to make yourself at home, Stupid! This will never be
your home, jackass. The down side of America is that the powers to be, let
any scum that washes up on the beach just stay here. Take you for instance,
PLEASE...
By the way, how many Americans move to where you came from? I bet they're
moving in next to your kin folks in droves, eh? The birthplace of the slack
jaw, no doubt! :)
Ralph Livingston
"Lady Pilot" <Ladypi...@exciteME.com> wrote in message
>
> LP
NAH, he's a JOURNEYMAN house painter, not a wannabe! He gets to run the
electric paint pump!
Limey Dave
"Lady Pilot" <Ladypi...@exciteME.com> wrote in message
Whoosh! I meant the envelope opf idiocy, you retard.
Just like when I left work this
> afternoon and told no one I was coming back today or Monday. (I told you I
> had a classy client!).....at the Quickie Mart. He has almost all his own
teeth.
I found out that he was a C-145 (tanker) pilot back
> in Vietnam. Isn't that the civilian equivilent to a Boeing 707 or 717?
>
> LP
>
Lying idiot!
Limey Dave
Limey Dave.
Limey Dave
"Lady Pilot" <Ladypi...@exciteME.com> wrote in message
Limey Dave
"Lady Pilot" <Ladypi...@exciteME.com> wrote in message
Limey Dave
cross-braces on scaffolds today, Ralphie?
Safety consultant.....bwaaaaaaaaaahahawahwahwahwahwah!
Limey Dave.
Limey Dave
"Flur A Do'ruinn" <RS...@sucks.net> wrote in message
news:3c2d053e...@news.alt.net...
Only marginally more interesting than anything she usually comes up with,
but hey. A muff gag *is* pretty good for her. She must be trying out a new
malt-licker!
Limey Dave.
Limey Dave
Putting on the Ritz, Ralph??? Actually, today I'm wearing a nice tweed
number with a flat cap and plus fours. In honor of my old bean, old buddy
Ralphie. Anyone for tea 'n' tennis???
>
> The bottom line is, you wouldn't see me at the freaking airport
regardless!
I know, that was my point exactly.
> That would be impossible when you are out off the Sawgrass painting houses
> as a second rate sub contractor, Dummy. Fly Jets, my ass, HeHeHe.....
Well, not up or even near your ass Ralphie, but yes. Still flying jets
sunshine.
>
> Hows that hot ride, slick? Paid for yet? Just three hundred more houses
> and it's all yours. :)
>
Yup, you got me on the ropes there, ye olde millionaire ya!
Limey Dave.
Limey Dave
"CJS" <craigs...@SPAMmindspring.com> wrote in message
news:3C29394B...@SPAMmindspring.com...
> X-No-Archive: Yes
>
> Ralph Livingston wrote:
> >
> >
> > The bottom line is, you wouldn't see me at the freaking airport
regardless!
>
>
That has to be a first!
Limey Dave
It has been, for a long time Ralphie. Once again, you are behind the ball by
oooooooooh, about sa playing field.
The down side of America is that the powers to be, let
> any scum that washes up on the beach just stay here.
Yeah, I'd noticed they hadn't shipped you back to 'Bama yet.
Take you for instance,
> PLEASE...
>
> By the way, how many Americans move to where you came from?
London? Quite a lot. Showing your red-neck ignorance again Ralphie.
I bet they're
> moving in next to your kin folks in droves, eh? The birthplace of the
slack
> jaw, no doubt! :)
>
Oh, I thought you were born in California.
Limey Dsave.
Ralph Livingston
Ya gotta love it when a BS artist like this Lamey Dude, sticks with his
sorry story about allegedly flying jets. This, even when faced with
insurmountable evidence to the contrary! Oh well.
You paint houses MORON, you and I both know it.
You feeling like the big man to tell all the slow folks on Usenet that you
allegedly fly jets?
PATHETIC, as always. Just PATHETIC!.... :)
Ralph Livingston
OH YEAH, "LONDON"! It's so freaking marvelous that you end up painting
houses in South Florida, eh?!
YUP, folks are just moving there in droves! Madonna is probably your
benchmark for quality Americans moving East, right? The thing is, in her
case, we just got rid of the principal poster girl on the bulletin board at
the free clinic!
Glad she's on your side of the pond, for sure. Say, why not join her in the
move East, eh? That would sure clear the air here in SOFLA.
They do have houses to paint over there, right? :)
Ralph Livingston
Not a consultant, you MORON. And not a freaking house painter either.
By the way, its toe boards, mid rails, and guard rails, genius! Cross
braces are component parts put up by Safeway or Sunbelt. Of course a gypsy
painter doesn't bother with safety issues regardless, eh?
So, you flying a "Binks," "Ducolux," or "Black & Decker" jet this week,
hero? Zoom, zoom, Paint boy! :)
Limey Dave
"CJS" <craigsh...@SPAMmindspring.com> wrote in message
news:3C2A39F3...@SPAMmindspring.com...
> X-No-Archive: Yes
> > That has to be a first!
>
> Like a blind squirrel.
>
Errrr, I s'pose so!
Limey Dave.
Limey Dave
Nope, a trainee. I always gave you too much credit, Ralphie old pal.
And not a freaking house painter either.
That's beyond your capabilities, no doubt.
>
> By the way, its toe boards, mid rails, and guard rails, genius! Cross
> braces are component parts put up by Safeway or Sunbelt. Of course a
gypsy
> painter doesn't bother with safety issues regardless, eh?
Dunno, but I haven't had to put up any scaffold since my early twenties
Ralphie, never did want to make a career out of it like you have.
>
> So, you flying a "Binks," "Ducolux," or "Black & Decker" jet this week,
> hero?
Lear Ralphie, just like before. How about you dipshit?
Zoom, zoom, Paint boy! :)
>
>
I wish you wouldn't spit when you do that!
Limey Dave.
Limey Dave
bwaaaaaahahawahwahwahwha! Evidence. What evidence Ralphie? The fact that my
company won't give you any personal information, you little fruit loop?
Oh well.
>
> You paint houses MORON, you and I both know it.
Well, you seem to be sure of it, dodo.
>
> You feeling like the big man to tell all the slow folks on Usenet that you
> allegedly fly jets?
Nope, I told you privately what I fly Ralphie, it's still the same.
>
> PATHETIC, as always. Just PATHETIC!.... :)
>
>
Yep, I'd hoped you'd improve with time but you're quite disappointing.
Limey Dave.
Limey Dave
Nope, didn't even "start out" painting Ralphie, I am a man of skills and
trades. How's the fire extinguisher training going?
>
> YUP, folks are just moving there in droves! Madonna is probably your
> benchmark for quality Americans moving East, right?
RIGHT, Cracker! bwaaaaahwahwah!
The thing is, in her
> case, we just got rid of the principal poster girl on the bulletin board
at
> the free clinic!
>
> Glad she's on your side of the pond, for sure. Say, why not join her in
the
> move East, eh? That would sure clear the air here in SOFLA.
Nothing will clear while you're still muck-spreading Ralphie......that's a
brit expression for bullshit to add to your vocab, btw.
>
> They do have houses to paint over there, right? :)
>
>
No, not many houses are painted over there Ralphie but you wouldn't know
anything outside your red-neck, trailerized world now, would you?
Your pal, Limey Dave.
Lennie the Lurker
Yeah, but it's nowhere near the charade that you've been putting on
for years.
This, even when faced with
> insurmountable evidence to the contrary! Oh well.
Anyone checked his references lately? Are there any that will admit
to knowing him in a favorable manner? Didn't think so.
>
> You paint houses MORON, you and I both know it.
>
> You feeling like the big man to tell all the slow folks on Usenet that you
> allegedly fly jets?
>
> PATHETIC, as always. Just PATHETIC!.... :)
Yes, you definately are pathetic.
See ya someday, but probably nowhere near an aircraft, unless it's in
front of Kmart. On a pedestal, and you have a supply of quarters in
your hand.
Have a nice skidmark, penguin.
Lennie the Lurker
Ralph Livingston
>
Well let me see, I know that Bill Lear invented the 8 track tape deck, a
cool mobile A/C radio, and some other gadgets, but I wasn't aware that he
invented the paint sprayer. Oh well, ya learn something new everyday.
Say hero, you never answered my question about why you were never a first
stringer with an airline? OH THAT'S RIGHT, you don't really fly, its all in
your peanut sized mind!
Lamey, do tell, what's it like being the leading pathological liar on
Usenet? Do you actually believe you are flying jets when you are spraying
paint? This could be a real cool psych study for a leading University.
Hummm, I wonder if they offer a finders fee for a sorry case like you?
By the way, I'm still waiting for you to carry out your pathetic phone
threat to 'kick' my ass, hero. OR, perhaps you said 'Kiss' my ass? Ah
well..... :)
Graham Stevenson
Limey Dave wrote:
> "Lady Pilot" <Ladypi...@exciteME.com> wrote in message
> news:cF6X7.7092$NC1.1...@news1.elcjn1.sdca.home.com...
> >
> Just like when I left work this
> > afternoon and told no one I was coming back today or Monday. (I told you I
> > had a classy client!).....at the Quickie Mart. He has almost all his own
> teeth.
>
> I found out that he was a C-145 (tanker) pilot back
> > in Vietnam. Isn't that the civilian equivilent to a Boeing 707 or 717?
> >
> > LP
> >
> Lying idiot!
Hmmmmm - C = civilian ? - lol.
I think you mean the other way round ? C = cargo. Which then brings me to tanker
designations - KC. You mean a KC-135 I think Debs. The C 145 is the Galaxy heavy
transport.
http://www.boeing.com/defense-space/military/kc135-strat/
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/c-5.htm
Cheers and Mery New Year, Graham
Graham Stevenson
Graham Stevenson wrote:
> Limey Dave wrote:
>
> > "Lady Pilot" <Ladypi...@exciteME.com> wrote in message
> > news:cF6X7.7092$NC1.1...@news1.elcjn1.sdca.home.com...
> > >
> > Just like when I left work this
> > > afternoon and told no one I was coming back today or Monday. (I told you I
> > > had a classy client!).....at the Quickie Mart. He has almost all his own
> > teeth.
> >
> > I found out that he was a C-145 (tanker) pilot back
> > > in Vietnam. Isn't that the civilian equivilent to a Boeing 707 or 717?
> > >
> > > LP
> > >
> > Lying idiot!
>
> Hmmmmm - C = civilian ? - lol.
>
> I think you mean the other way round ? C = cargo. Which then brings me to tanker
> designations - KC. You mean a KC-135 I think Debs. The C 145 is the Galaxy heavy
> transport.
>
Ooops - suckered myself into that one - lol. I see no C-145. Google gave me a C-5
as best match !
Look - save yourself time - go here - OK ?
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/index.html
Bertie the Bunyip
That what they use for "aeromatic" paint Ralphie?
Bwaaaawhawhawhahwahwahwahwahw
Bertie
Bertie the Bunyip
> "Limey Dave" <david...@NOworldCRAPnet.att.net> wrote in message
> news:zAqX7.245564$3d2.12...@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> >
>
> cool mobile A/C radio, and some other gadgets, but I wasn't aware that he
> invented the paint sprayer. Oh well, ya learn something new everyday.
Well, "ya" might, Ralphie; but you never will.
>
> Say hero, you never answered my question about why you were never a first
> stringer with an airline? OH THAT'S RIGHT, you don't really fly, its all in
> your peanut sized mind!
Bwawhahwhahwhahwhahwhahwahawhahwahwahwahw!
>
> Lamey, do tell, what's it like being the leading pathological liar on
> Usenet? Do you actually believe you are flying jets when you are spraying
> paint? This could be a real cool psych study for a leading University.
> Hummm, I wonder if they offer a finders fee for a sorry case like you?
>
> By the way, I'm still waiting for you to carry out your pathetic phone
> threat to 'kick' my ass, hero. OR, perhaps you said 'Kiss' my ass? Ah
> well..... :)
I don't recall him saying that; Ralphie.
I remember you saying it, tough.
I think the FBI would be disappointed in you Ralphie.
i know i am
Bertie
Bertie the Bunyip
> "Limey Dave" <david...@NOworldCRAPnet.att.net> wrote in message
> news:1rkX7.245194$3d2.12...@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
> benchmark for quality Americans moving East, right? The thing is, in her
> case, we just got rid of the principal poster girl on the bulletin board at
> the free clinic!
Got it memorised, eh Ralphie?
BTW, in the spirit of Christmas, why don't you tell us a story?
You could tell us the one about how you are a pilot, how you have a
company, how that rusty old t-bone of your's flies.
Don't be afraid to dress it up a bit, Ralphie!
Bertie
Bertie the Bunyip
> > >
> > Yup, you got me on the ropes there, ye olde millionaire ya!
> >
> > Limey Dave.
>
> Ya gotta love it when a BS artist like this Lamey Dude, sticks with his
> sorry story about allegedly flying jets. This, even when faced with
> insurmountable evidence to the contrary! Oh well.
>
> You paint houses MORON, you and I both know it.
>
> You feeling like the big man to tell all the slow folks on Usenet that you
> allegedly fly jets?
He does Ralphie; and anyone who knows anything about airplanes can tell.
Whick of course; is why you cnnot.
Bertie
Bertie the Bunyip
>
> Stick to paint mixers, Stupid! At least you know something about those. :)
Wheras Ralphie uses his skidmarking skills for ,ixing.
I hear he can get the subtlest shades!
Bertie