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Chevy S10 turbo or supercharger or ...blower ????
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Jacob Short
Nov 1, 2002, 2:54:03 AM11/1/02
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ok does any body know the best way to get good horse out of a 4.3 vortec V-6
I dont really want to put a V-8 in it but it look like that might be what I
got to do to get over 600 horses out of my 97 Chevy S10 getting a ford 9inch
rear end with 4-link to get the power to the ground now I need the power I
have 2 turbos but there will have to be a lot of work to get them to work on
the truck I thought I blower would look nice sticking out of the hood but
the cop like pulling me over now so that might not be a good idea and who
makes the best supercharger there are alot out there I looked so far
powerdyne is in the lead I think this makes my head hurt I think if I cant
find a nice little Geo metro and stick a 502 in it it would be less of a
pain
I dont really want to put a V-8 in it but it look like that might be what I
got to do to get over 600 horses out of my 97 Chevy S10 getting a ford 9inch
rear end with 4-link to get the power to the ground now I need the power I
have 2 turbos but there will have to be a lot of work to get them to work on
the truck I thought I blower would look nice sticking out of the hood but
the cop like pulling me over now so that might not be a good idea and who
makes the best supercharger there are alot out there I looked so far
powerdyne is in the lead I think this makes my head hurt I think if I cant
find a nice little Geo metro and stick a 502 in it it would be less of a
pain
if you got any Ideas please help Jake
Richie Rich
Nov 1, 2002, 9:17:14 AM11/1/02
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They already make a 4.3 turbo.
It came in the GMC Syclone and Typhoon.
Check out www.syty.org
I hope this helps,
Rich
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David Algie
Nov 1, 2002, 11:43:59 AM11/1/02
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600hp is a lot for this engine, it's the same as a 350 small block making
800, 100hp per cylinder. The engine will do it, with stock lower internals,
but not for very long. The 4.3 has poor heads, etc., it really needs forced
induction to do much over 300hp. 600hp is easier to come by with a big
block.....!
800, 100hp per cylinder. The engine will do it, with stock lower internals,
but not for very long. The 4.3 has poor heads, etc., it really needs forced
induction to do much over 300hp. 600hp is easier to come by with a big
block.....!
David Algie.
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fly mx
Nov 2, 2002, 2:01:50 AM11/2/02
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Getting " drivable " 600 hp without a blower of some sort will be just about
impossible with anything other than a big block, and that still would be a
hard to do..
A " well " warmed over buick 3.8 V6 would make the power , but you would
need " ALL " the goodies to do it right , it still will not be as reliable
as a V8 SC motor but it will get better gas mileage and be half [ maybe
less ] as loud [ read , not as much unwanted attention while cruising ], a
Vortec or Powerdyne on a warmed over V8 will do the power easily as well,
but now you have an extra couple of hundred pounds on the front of an
already hard to get to hook/handle truck.
If you are going for " trick " and are willing to pay for it then the V6
turbo is the way to go, if you want realiability and cheaper, the V8sc
route is probably better.
I am not sure by your wording here but if you are thinking about running a
supercharger on a 4.3V6 I would suggest you do some research on the crank
snout strength, pulling 600hp out of it would necessitate alot of
pull/stress on the blower belt, the Ford 3.8SC motors had to go to a forged
crank as they were breaking the snouts off the cast ones pre production.
Good luck with what ever you decide to do.
Dave.
87 Thunderbird 351W twin turbo.
HP: Huge..
impossible with anything other than a big block, and that still would be a
hard to do..
A " well " warmed over buick 3.8 V6 would make the power , but you would
need " ALL " the goodies to do it right , it still will not be as reliable
as a V8 SC motor but it will get better gas mileage and be half [ maybe
less ] as loud [ read , not as much unwanted attention while cruising ], a
Vortec or Powerdyne on a warmed over V8 will do the power easily as well,
but now you have an extra couple of hundred pounds on the front of an
already hard to get to hook/handle truck.
If you are going for " trick " and are willing to pay for it then the V6
turbo is the way to go, if you want realiability and cheaper, the V8sc
route is probably better.
I am not sure by your wording here but if you are thinking about running a
supercharger on a 4.3V6 I would suggest you do some research on the crank
snout strength, pulling 600hp out of it would necessitate alot of
pull/stress on the blower belt, the Ford 3.8SC motors had to go to a forged
crank as they were breaking the snouts off the cast ones pre production.
Good luck with what ever you decide to do.
Dave.
87 Thunderbird 351W twin turbo.
HP: Huge..
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lifespeed
Nov 2, 2002, 2:24:08 AM11/2/02
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If your goal is 600 HP, you'd better start with a V8. The new 5.3L and
6.0L would be excellent candidates, although I don't know if they bolt
up easily in your truck. The 5.7L has been done, and there are kits
available. You'll be on your own for the turbo headers, of course.
6.0L would be excellent candidates, although I don't know if they bolt
up easily in your truck. The 5.7L has been done, and there are kits
available. You'll be on your own for the turbo headers, of course.
- Lifespeed
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l.furman1
Nov 3, 2002, 9:47:34 AM11/3/02
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Hey Jake, have you considered a Procharger blower? A turbo or 2 in that
engine bay would be a nightmare of plumbing, trust me I have a 3000GT VR-4
and I known about a mess of Intercooler piping.
engine bay would be a nightmare of plumbing, trust me I have a 3000GT VR-4
and I known about a mess of Intercooler piping.
Also procharger's are available in various sizes and configurations,
www.procharger.com
Russ Furman
USA
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Jacob Short
Nov 5, 2002, 12:53:28 AM11/5/02
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thanks for all the help guys I found a lot of your info very helpful
fly mx
Nov 4, 2002, 11:35:27 PM11/4/02
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Aaaaaannnnnnnnnd ... what are you going to do???.
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Jacob Short
Nov 5, 2002, 3:02:03 AM11/5/02
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OK here is the plan I'm sending in my 4.3 to have twin turbos and an
intercooler and new heads, cam and all the other goodies added next to
figure out if I want NOS or not might as well spend the money to get the
engine ready just incase I want add it later and 1 more thing sorry I don't
know much about NOS so what is the deal with dry or wet NOS I thought it is
a gas its ok to laugh I'm new at this but I do have 12 books on the way
about turbos, engine and tranny building, NOS, and suspension oh and 1 on
aero dynamics so this might be fun and it might be hell on wheels
intercooler and new heads, cam and all the other goodies added next to
figure out if I want NOS or not might as well spend the money to get the
engine ready just incase I want add it later and 1 more thing sorry I don't
know much about NOS so what is the deal with dry or wet NOS I thought it is
a gas its ok to laugh I'm new at this but I do have 12 books on the way
about turbos, engine and tranny building, NOS, and suspension oh and 1 on
aero dynamics so this might be fun and it might be hell on wheels
Jake
fly mx
Nov 5, 2002, 2:04:00 AM11/5/02
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The one thing you need to know about NOS is to stay away from it, its a pain
in the ass dialing in these monsters as it is , specially the V6s , they are
more tempermental to things being out of adjustment, a V8 will just keep
chuggin along.
If who ever is doing your turbo set up knows what they are doing they will
already be building you a system that will develop enough power to split the
block in half [ if desired ] so NOS is pretty well a waste of time/money
hassle etc [ "etc". meaning probably a motor sooner or later ]..
The odds of something going wrong are exponential [ or worse ] every time
you add to your power making system, just something to remember, keep is
simple [ as possible ] should always be applied..
It used to make me laugh when someone would say " why don't you put NOS on
your twin turbo" ... Ughhh.. with two TO4 H3s and two intercoolers it's
already makes huge power, well over 800 and it's not tapped out on boost
yet.
Don't go nuts on the heads , put the money into making that short block as
strong as possible, the two turbos will make huge power with even mildly
warmed over heads.
You may want to scour the turbo Buick GN groups for some links to the turbo
Typhone or the Cyclone, there will be alot of info on just how much that
block can take so you know going into it what to expect and more importantly
what not to expect.
This will also help you choose turbos, if your block can only hold 500
reliable hp there is no point in installing two 500hp capable hair dryers.
By the sounds of it you are going to do everything properly so keep on that
line, study all the books you can ""before"" you spend a penny, take some of
the read information with a grain of salt, it is all usually correct but
alot of times you have the burden of applying it to "your" situation to know
if it is the right direction for you or not , talk to alot of people who
HAVE something similar to or the same as what you want [ as appossed to an
opinion of someones that isn't worth the oxygen that it takes to give it
!!!] , this is an expensive sport, so cutting down on the opps's will save
you a load of cash and make the finished result alot more fun and
rewarding..
Good luck.
Dave.
87Thunderbird 351W twin turbo.
89Thunderbird 351W twin turbo.
90Thunderbird SC 3.8 [ should be a twin turbo ].
88F150 4x4 302 single turbo.
in the ass dialing in these monsters as it is , specially the V6s , they are
more tempermental to things being out of adjustment, a V8 will just keep
chuggin along.
If who ever is doing your turbo set up knows what they are doing they will
already be building you a system that will develop enough power to split the
block in half [ if desired ] so NOS is pretty well a waste of time/money
hassle etc [ "etc". meaning probably a motor sooner or later ]..
The odds of something going wrong are exponential [ or worse ] every time
you add to your power making system, just something to remember, keep is
simple [ as possible ] should always be applied..
It used to make me laugh when someone would say " why don't you put NOS on
your twin turbo" ... Ughhh.. with two TO4 H3s and two intercoolers it's
already makes huge power, well over 800 and it's not tapped out on boost
yet.
Don't go nuts on the heads , put the money into making that short block as
strong as possible, the two turbos will make huge power with even mildly
warmed over heads.
You may want to scour the turbo Buick GN groups for some links to the turbo
Typhone or the Cyclone, there will be alot of info on just how much that
block can take so you know going into it what to expect and more importantly
what not to expect.
This will also help you choose turbos, if your block can only hold 500
reliable hp there is no point in installing two 500hp capable hair dryers.
By the sounds of it you are going to do everything properly so keep on that
line, study all the books you can ""before"" you spend a penny, take some of
the read information with a grain of salt, it is all usually correct but
alot of times you have the burden of applying it to "your" situation to know
if it is the right direction for you or not , talk to alot of people who
HAVE something similar to or the same as what you want [ as appossed to an
opinion of someones that isn't worth the oxygen that it takes to give it
!!!] , this is an expensive sport, so cutting down on the opps's will save
you a load of cash and make the finished result alot more fun and
rewarding..
Good luck.
Dave.
87Thunderbird 351W twin turbo.
89Thunderbird 351W twin turbo.
90Thunderbird SC 3.8 [ should be a twin turbo ].
88F150 4x4 302 single turbo.
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Kerry Kinser
Nov 9, 2002, 9:01:01 AM11/9/02
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Nitrous Oxide is a good cheap way to make HP. Most people get into
trouble because they don't understand the chemistry behind it. NO2 by
itself will not make 1 single hp. The air we breath is approx. 21%
oxygen while no2 is 40% oxygen. It is the added oxygen the lets the
engine burn more fuel , this is what makes the hp. Too much nitrous and
not enough fuel and it is melt down for your pistons.
trouble because they don't understand the chemistry behind it. NO2 by
itself will not make 1 single hp. The air we breath is approx. 21%
oxygen while no2 is 40% oxygen. It is the added oxygen the lets the
engine burn more fuel , this is what makes the hp. Too much nitrous and
not enough fuel and it is melt down for your pistons.
Kerry Kinser
fly mx
Nov 9, 2002, 10:46:55 AM11/9/02
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Nitrous is anything but cheap in a high hp set up and it is also a pain in
the ass filling bottles all the time, I guess you could buy a few more
bottles for when you "run out of power" but that would be even more
expensive.
Look at the numbers , the nitrous's semi cheap initial cost will get very
high and eventually pass what a good turbo system will cost, I am not
talking about a 50hp shot I am talking about a 2-300hp shot which is what is
usually needed to make anywhere near 600hp, at that rate you will empty a
50.00 bottle of nos real fast.
When I used to street race I would do 5-10 passes a night and blast it
everywhere it was reasonably safe in between, all I used up was some fuel
[ pump octane at anything less than 700hp ] , if I had done this with nos it
would have cost me well over 100.00 per night times two per weekend +
playing with the car during the week = a crap load of money.
This past example is moderate to high use of nitrous in a 600hp engine that
will get used [ no point in having it unless it will get used right!] ,
adding nitrous as I said to an already hard to dial in turbo [V6] set up is
not needed if the set up is right in the first place, if the turbos are
sized right there is no need for them in making more top end hp the turbos
will do it,and a properly build convertor will help in the low drivability,
there are "ALOT" of very drivable Buick V6s out there that make 600hp in a
3500lb chassis , that little pickup will not weight that much , nitrous is
just a band aid for a bad set up and another thing to go wrong.
Oh ya, and the safety issue, nitrous has a severe hit on the internal moving
parts as it is an instant on system [ unless you pay even more money for the
soft touch stuff ] so it is alot harder on internal components like the
pistons and bearings etc..
But if you like it , use it.
Dave.
the ass filling bottles all the time, I guess you could buy a few more
bottles for when you "run out of power" but that would be even more
expensive.
Look at the numbers , the nitrous's semi cheap initial cost will get very
high and eventually pass what a good turbo system will cost, I am not
talking about a 50hp shot I am talking about a 2-300hp shot which is what is
usually needed to make anywhere near 600hp, at that rate you will empty a
50.00 bottle of nos real fast.
When I used to street race I would do 5-10 passes a night and blast it
everywhere it was reasonably safe in between, all I used up was some fuel
[ pump octane at anything less than 700hp ] , if I had done this with nos it
would have cost me well over 100.00 per night times two per weekend +
playing with the car during the week = a crap load of money.
This past example is moderate to high use of nitrous in a 600hp engine that
will get used [ no point in having it unless it will get used right!] ,
adding nitrous as I said to an already hard to dial in turbo [V6] set up is
not needed if the set up is right in the first place, if the turbos are
sized right there is no need for them in making more top end hp the turbos
will do it,and a properly build convertor will help in the low drivability,
there are "ALOT" of very drivable Buick V6s out there that make 600hp in a
3500lb chassis , that little pickup will not weight that much , nitrous is
just a band aid for a bad set up and another thing to go wrong.
Oh ya, and the safety issue, nitrous has a severe hit on the internal moving
parts as it is an instant on system [ unless you pay even more money for the
soft touch stuff ] so it is alot harder on internal components like the
pistons and bearings etc..
But if you like it , use it.
Dave.
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