(OT:) Islam: The Religion of Peace
Hachiroku ハチロク
And they do it so well!
First, they try to get kids to don 'bomb jackets'.
Then, they target the release of the final Harry Potter book for a 20,000
LB bomb.
Now, they have a suicide bomber that blew himself up at an Algiers
amusement park, killing a bunch of kids.
I guess they're trying to kill their enemies, before they become enemies.
Roadrunner NG
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JoeSpareBedroom
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What sect of Muslims are you referring to? Who's paying them?
n5hsr
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Whatever happened to "Algerie Francaise"?
Charles of Schaumburg.
Jeff Strickland
much everybody. Seems to me that jihad and peace are mutually exclusive
terms -- you can not claim one while declaring the other. Maybe I'm missing
something but I doubt it.
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JoeSpareBedroom
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> For a Religion of Peace, they seem to have declared jihad against pretty
> much everybody. Seems to me that jihad and peace are mutually exclusive
> terms -- you can not claim one while declaring the other. Maybe I'm
> missing something but I doubt it.
"They"?
Which Muslim sects are you referring to?
Jeff Strickland
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The ones with bomb belts and AK47, why do you ask?
JoeSpareBedroom
There is no sect called "the ones with the bomb belts and the AK47". Which
sects are you referring to? I'm asking because I'm curious.
Jeff Strickland
I'm referring to the sects with bomb belts and guns. The sects that are
flying planes into the sides of buildings, those that are blowing up night
clubs and trains and subway systems and busses. The sects that bomb sidewalk
cafes in resort towns, hotels at the side of the ocean, barracks buildings,
embassies, warships, and their own houses of worship that are occupied by
people of differing sects.
It is not possible to be a "religion of peace" and engage in jihad at the
same time. You ascribe a sect because there are clearly many of them.
JoeSpareBedroom
I hear a hissing sound. It's the air leaking out of your routine....
sssssssss..............
Jeff Strickland
How come you never make a coherent point? You ask rhetorical questions, then
ask another question in response to the response to the first question. Make
your fucking point or shut the hell up.
You have never added anything to a discussion that I can recall.
I'm not asking you to agree, I'm only asking that you make your point,
whether or not your point agrees. I can debate you under the table and all
around the block, but you have to make a point first.
I've made my point, now it's your turn ...
Moe
does it directly the other more indirectly. Different delivery systems
for victory brought on in the name of religion. It just depends on
which side of the fence you happen to have been born. Any idea where we
get our value systems? Have you really thought about it? Who profits
from the value systems? Humans are very silly superstitious things.
JoeSpareBedroom
"The rhetorical question is usually defined as any question asked for a
purpose other than to obtain the information the question asks."
I did not ask you a rhetorical question. I wanted the information I asked
for.
There are several Islamic sects. I asked you which one you were referring
to. You didn't provide a name that would make sense to any educated person.
You described a sect by its actions, not by its name, but that's
insufficient.
Reminds me of the Dilbert cartoon in which the boss is found to have
provided fake information on his resume. His college: "the Einstein one".
Now, go get more information so your premise makes a bit more sense. I'll
make it easy for you. You said "the sect with the bombs & guns". Tell me
where you see the most obvious example of their work LATELY.
Jeff Strickland
> "Jeff Strickland" <cr...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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>>
>> "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishbo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> How come you never make a coherent point? You ask rhetorical questions,
>> then ask another question in response to the response to the first
>> question. Make your fucking point or shut the hell up.
>>
>> You have never added anything to a discussion that I can recall.
>>
>> I'm not asking you to agree, I'm only asking that you make your point,
>> whether or not your point agrees. I can debate you under the table and
>> all around the block, but you have to make a point first.
>>
>> I've made my point, now it's your turn ...
>
>
> "The rhetorical question is usually defined as any question asked for a
> purpose other than to obtain the information the question asks."
>
> I did not ask you a rhetorical question. I wanted the information I asked
> for.
>
> There are several Islamic sects. I asked you which one you were referring
> to. You didn't provide a name that would make sense to any educated
> person. You described a sect by its actions, not by its name, but that's
> insufficient.
>
I don't care what sect. Islam is the religion of peace, and Islamists are
engaged in jihad. There are several sects that have declared jihad, all of
them are in my crosshairs. There are members of a sect, or several of them,
that are not taking part in the jihad, and I regret ensnaring them in my
wide net. But, if they really cared about the wide net casting a pall on
them, then they should be working to quell the jihad, but they are not so
the net covers them. Too bad, so sad.
Make your point on that ... (I doubt you can.)
JoeSpareBedroom
The worst ones are funded by your gasoline purchases. Please post the last
letter(s) you've sent to your elected officials, in which you complained
about this.
By the way, you are ferociously uninformed. Please don't vote until you fix
this problem.
Jeff Strickland
>
>
> The worst ones are funded by your gasoline purchases. Please post the last
> letter(s) you've sent to your elected officials, in which you complained
> about this.
>
> By the way, you are ferociously uninformed. Please don't vote until you
> fix this problem.
>
How so?
Be specific if you can.
PS
I am not the only one buying gas.
Jeff Strickland
>
> The worst ones are funded by your gasoline purchases. Please post the last
> letter(s) you've sent to your elected officials, in which you complained
> about this.
>
> By the way, you are ferociously uninformed. Please don't vote until you
> fix this problem.
>
PS2
The discussion here is the penchant for violence from the "religion of
peace," not the funding source.
It helps the discussion when you remain on topic.
JoeSpareBedroom
You want a teacher? Pay me. Or, tell me where you live. I'll give you links
to half a dozen books at YOUR library. Give me you library card number and
I'll even have the library reserve the books for you, so you don't have to
deal with that pesky Dewey decimal system. When you find the library, go get
the books and read them.
There are no shortcuts to knowledge of the world.
JoeSpareBedroom
By applying a blanket label, you ignore the fact that the biggest sect in a
very important country has been trying to display restraint. They would be
deeply offended if you equated them with your mystery sect, about which you
have no useful information.
"in my crosshairs"
snicker....
Jeff Strickland
I was right, you are unable to make your point.
Thanks for clearing that up ...
JoeSpareBedroom
The point is that your obnoxious generalizations are one of several factors
which cause hatred and misunderstanding.
Here's something to ponder: I think all Christians are hate-spewing
warmongers.
Jeff Strickland
By not saying anything of value, you make it impossible to respond. Once
again, you've made no point. And, as you can see, I don't care that they're
offended, just as they don't care that there are those in their own midst
that don't care if I am dead.
I certain that the difference in being offended and being dead is lost on
you ...
My question to you is, why do you (you personally) care that I offend them,
but seem to condone them offending me? As an aside, how come they do not
offend you by their killing?
JoeSpareBedroom
"their killing". You said "their". Who are "they"? Which sect?
See? You can't discuss this unless you can define the various parties.
The war in Iraq has been going on for several years. Repeat after me: "I,
Jeff Strickland, have read and learned absolutely nothing about the various
factions involved in the conflict. And yet, I vote, and shoot my mouth off
as if I knew what I was talking about".
I'm listening. Say it.
Jeff Strickland
>
> The point is that your obnoxious generalizations are one of several
> factors which cause hatred and misunderstanding.
>
> Here's something to ponder: I think all Christians are hate-spewing
> warmongers.
>
I've never once said all Muslims are are jihadists. Not once.
I have repeatedly said that all jihadists are Muslims, and until you can
point to evidence to the contrary, I stand by my assertion. The religion of
peace is engaged -- actively I might add -- in jihad.
Once again, your point falls short.
JoeSpareBedroom
I know what I see above, but I just want to be sure of something. Did you
say "The religion...."?
Jeff Strickland
There are several you idiot. Nobody give a rat's ass which sect is firing
bullets and blowing up pizza parlors and bus stops and night clubs and
buildings and barracks and embassies and boats and <insert your examples
here>. The religion of peace is actively engaged in jihad. They, that's
THEY, have declared that anybody that is not them will be killed. This is
not the speech of a peaceful religion, no matter what sect they are.
Islam is unable to care for its own, much less anybody else. Tell me one
Islamist government that has stepped up to help ease Palestine's suffering.
There are none. Iran is arguably providing the most help to these struggling
people, but Iran is funding the side that seeks to destabalize the region,
and she ignores those that are suffering massive unemployment and poverty.
A religion of peace? Yeah, right.
Are you aware that the relgion of peace MURDERED a TV News reporter in
Oakland, CA. this morning.
You're an idiot, and an enabler. Why don't you go to Venezuela and visit
Sean Penn and Hugo Chavez?
> See? You can't discuss this unless you can define the various parties.
>
You can't define anything.
JoeSpareBedroom
>>> My question to you is, why do you (you personally) care that I offend
>>> them, but seem to condone them offending me? As an aside, how come they
>>> do not offend you by their killing?
>>
>>
>> "their killing". You said "their". Who are "they"? Which sect?
>>
>
> There are several you idiot. Nobody give a rat's ass which sect is firing
> bullets and blowing up pizza parlors and bus stops and night clubs and
> buildings and barracks and embassies and boats and <insert your examples
> here>. The religion of peace is actively engaged in jihad. They, that's
> THEY, have declared that anybody that is not them will be killed. This is
> not the speech of a peaceful religion, no matter what sect they are.
Actually, smart people in and out of our government & military care very
much which sects are behaving in certain ways. Only you lump them into one
big category.
> Islam is unable to care for its own, much less anybody else. Tell me one
> Islamist government that has stepped up to help ease Palestine's
> suffering. There are none. Iran is arguably providing the most help to
> these struggling people, but Iran is funding the side that seeks to
> destabalize the region, and she ignores those that are suffering massive
> unemployment and poverty.
Iran is funding the sect that is also friendliest to OUR mission in Iraq.
> A religion of peace? Yeah, right.
I wonder why you're stuck on the words "religion of peace" today. It's a
stupid set of words when applied to Muslims, Christians, Jews, Buddhists, or
any other religion. Maybe you should drop those words from the discussion.
> Are you aware that the relgion of peace MURDERED a TV News reporter in
> Oakland, CA. this morning.
"The religion" didn't murder the reporter yesterday. A bunch of local thugs
did it. Sounds like this is your first exposure to the Black Muslims. Are
you too young to recall their history, or is this another example of how
little you read? They've been around since at least the 1960s, and the cops
lump them into the same category as crips, bloods, skinheads, and outlaw
biker gangs. There are exceptions, like Muhammad Ali.
Hey...check this out: The other "religion of peace" (Christian) killed a
baby here on Thursday:
http://www.rnews.com/Story_2004.cfm?ID=51828&rnews_story_type=18&category=10
> You're an idiot, and an enabler. Why don't you go to Venezuela and visit
> Sean Penn and Hugo Chavez?
Which sect am I enabling?
Do you realize that all the information you're missing is easily available
if you simply read a newspaper intended for grownups once or twice a week,
and turn past the front page?
Cathy F.
Yeah, they do. People *do* study the situations to figure out exactly who's
interacting w/whom, & in what ways - methods used - against which other
sects & groups. There are people who do tease apart the mess - or at least
try to; otherwise, no one would be able to make any sense at all of what
seem to be senseless situations. If you (plural/generic you, not you in
particular) don't understand the problem, it likely can never be solved.
Cathy
JoeSpareBedroom
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> In article <gC3ti.13323$ya1....@news02.roc.ny>,
> then I thought to myself this is just another AH ad nauseam so I went to
> the last and replied thusly.
>
> Cheers and good luck Jeff, but I really think you are wasting your time.
Your excuse for not reading and learning: The lie about eye problems.
I wonder what Jeff's will be. Maybe books give him a rash.
JoeSpareBedroom
> In article <446ti.13433$B25....@news01.roc.ny>,
Yeah. I tell it like it is. Your eye problem is a lie, and Jeff thinks
people who read books are elitists, a word he got from his president.
JoeSpareBedroom
> In article <bb6ti.13435$B25....@news01.roc.ny>,
Dumb answer, dbu.
There must be SOME reason Jeff has spent the afternoon defending his lack of
interest in the Middle East. What do YOU think his reason is?
ranto...@mail.com
Jeff Strickland wrote:
>For a Religion of Peace, they seem to have declared jihad against pretty
>much everybody.
Whoever dubbed Islam the Religion of Peace should be tortured and then
shot in the head.
Jeff Strickland
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> In article <gC3ti.13323$ya1....@news02.roc.ny>,
> "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishbo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> then I thought to myself this is just another AH ad nauseam so I went to
> the last and replied thusly.
>
> Cheers and good luck Jeff, but I really think you are wasting your time.
>
I feel like I'm trying to teach a pig to sing. I annoy the pig and I'm
wasting my time ...
Jeff Strickland
> "Jeff Strickland" <cr...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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>
>>>> My question to you is, why do you (you personally) care that I offend
>>>> them, but seem to condone them offending me? As an aside, how come they
>>>> do not offend you by their killing?
>>>
>>>
>>> "their killing". You said "their". Who are "they"? Which sect?
>>>
>>
>> There are several you idiot. Nobody give a rat's ass which sect is firing
>> bullets and blowing up pizza parlors and bus stops and night clubs and
>> buildings and barracks and embassies and boats and <insert your examples
>> here>. The religion of peace is actively engaged in jihad. They, that's
>> THEY, have declared that anybody that is not them will be killed. This is
>> not the speech of a peaceful religion, no matter what sect they are.
>
> Actually, smart people in and out of our government & military care very
> much which sects are behaving in certain ways. Only you lump them into one
> big category.
>
>
None of that addresses from the perspective of Islam that muslims are
murdering thousands upon thousands of people in the furtherance of jihad.
The religion of peace (not my term, by the way) is a religion of war using
the standards they put forth through jihad.
Only Muslims can change that. Not me, not you, not the US government. Islam
is burdened with changing the perception that theirs is not a peaceful
religion.
>
>> Islam is unable to care for its own, much less anybody else. Tell me one
>> Islamist government that has stepped up to help ease Palestine's
>> suffering. There are none. Iran is arguably providing the most help to
>> these struggling people, but Iran is funding the side that seeks to
>> destabalize the region, and she ignores those that are suffering massive
>> unemployment and poverty.
>
> Iran is funding the sect that is also friendliest to OUR mission in Iraq.
>
>
Perhaps, but not the part of the sect that is working within the framework.
>
>> A religion of peace? Yeah, right.
>
> I wonder why you're stuck on the words "religion of peace" today. It's a
> stupid set of words when applied to Muslims, Christians, Jews, Buddhists,
> or any other religion. Maybe you should drop those words from the
> discussion.
>
They are not my words. They are the suhbject of the discussion.
Until you recognize that ALL of the strife and discontent and murder and
mayhem is coming out of the "religion of peace" and work to address that
fine point, the point will become more and more blunt.
>
>
>> Are you aware that the relgion of peace MURDERED a TV News reporter in
>> Oakland, CA. this morning.
>
> "The religion" didn't murder the reporter yesterday. A bunch of local
> thugs did it. Sounds like this is your first exposure to the Black
> Muslims. Are you too young to recall their history, or is this another
> example of how little you read? They've been around since at least the
> 1960s, and the cops lump them into the same category as crips, bloods,
> skinheads, and outlaw biker gangs. There are exceptions, like Muhammad
> Ali.
>
Those that did the murder did it specifically in the name of the religion.
Hardly a peaceful endeavor ...
JoeSpareBedroom
Jeff, stop being a pussy. Tell me why you read nothing at all.
JoeSpareBedroom
Catholics raped young boys. Who do you blame for that?
Jeff Strickland
The Catholics. What's your point?
Specifically, the Catholic leaders, what's your point?
As for the topic, I blame the leaders of the faith of Islam. The problem
with that is, it's the leaders of the faith that are fueling the murder and
mayhem that betrays the faith as one of peace. What's your point? Surely
there are leaders within Islam that do not condone the murder and mayhem,
but they are not in the world news on a daily basis. Their silence makes
the complacent in the murder and mayhem. I want to see leaders of Islam
denouncing the bomb belts as rabidly as I denounce them, but they seem to
accept them just as you accept them. Until the leader of the faith step up
their efforts to make peace, the religion of peace is not peaceful.
The leaders of the Catholic church are finally stepping up and taking the
hit for the bad deeds of their subordinates. The bad deeds do not melt away,
but the church looks better, and the light at the end of the tunnel is that
the bad deeds might stop.
There is no light at the end of the tunnel in Islam. Jihad will continue.
Murder and mayhem will continue. Killing innocent women and children will
continue. Bombing bus stops will continue.
I do not give Catholic priests a pass because they are sexually repressed
through a vow of celibacy. I do not give Islam a bye because they suffer
under leaders that rape and pillage the system and reap millions of dollars
while the masses go hungry.
You have yet to make a salient point. You have yet to make any point at all
...
Hachiroku ハチロク
> "Jeff Strickland" <cr...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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>> For a Religion of Peace, they seem to have declared jihad against pretty
>> much everybody. Seems to me that jihad and peace are mutually exclusive
>> terms -- you can not claim one while declaring the other. Maybe I'm
>> missing something but I doubt it.
>
>
> "They"?
>
> Which Muslim sects are you referring to?
Ragheads...
Hachiroku ハチロク
> "Jeff Strickland" <cr...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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>>
>> "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishbo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>>> "Jeff Strickland" <cr...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>> news:Mq1ti.15333$ug3.1555@trnddc06...
>>>> For a Religion of Peace, they seem to have declared jihad against
>>>> pretty much everybody. Seems to me that jihad and peace are mutually
>>>> exclusive terms -- you can not claim one while declaring the other.
>>>> Maybe I'm missing something but I doubt it.
>>>
>>>
>>> "They"?
>>>
>>> Which Muslim sects are you referring to?
>>>
>>>
>> The ones with bomb belts and AK47, why do you ask?
>
>
> There is no sect called "the ones with the bomb belts and the AK47". Which
> sects are you referring to? I'm asking because I'm curious.
Ragheads
Hachiroku ハチロク
>> It is not possible to be a "religion of peace" and engage in jihad at
>> the same time. You ascribe a sect because there are clearly many of
>> them.
>>
>>
>>
> They give their lives for their cause, the Americans do also.
Actionary v. Reactionary.
The US has never gone to war because "you aren't religious enough..."
> One does it directly the other more indirectly
And the one doing it directly actively targets kids.
Hachiroku ハチロク
>
> There are several Islamic sects. I asked you which one you were referring
> to. You didn't provide a name that would make sense to any educated
> person.
Ragheads...
Hachiroku ハチロク
>
> By applying a blanket label, you ignore the fact that the biggest sect in
> a very important country has been trying to display restraint.
They aren't Ragheads...
Hachiroku ハチロク
> "their killing". You said "their". Who are "they"? Which sect?
Ragheads...
Hachiroku ハチロク
>> There are several you idiot. Nobody give a rat's ass which sect is
>> firing bullets and blowing up pizza parlors and bus stops and night
>> clubs and buildings and barracks and embassies and boats and <insert
>> your examples here>.
>
> Yeah, they do. People *do* study the situations to figure out exactly
> who's interacting w/whom, & in what ways - methods used - against which
> other sects & groups. There are people who do tease apart the mess - or
> at least try to; otherwise, no one would be able to make any sense at all
> of what seem to be senseless situations. If you (plural/generic you, not
> you in particular) don't understand the problem, it likely can never be
> solved.
>
> Cathy
This situation is worse than Vietnam. You could be training Iraqi troops
that are supposed to be interested in keeping the peace, and have your
head blown off because one of the Ragheads infiltrated the squad and laid
low for a while and gained your trust.
I'm not saying iradicate them all, but the Rules of War have changed. You
no longer wear one uniform, and I another.
But I heard an interesting story on the BBC, and Jeff parroted it here.
If the Muslims who are truly interested in peace got more involved, then
the Coalition could be alerted to who is an ally and who isn't. Yeah,
finger pointing. Ratting out. Whatever. Weed out the Ragheads and keep the
rest. Then the Muslims who really do just want to get on with their lives
could be set aside, and the rest ferreted out and sent to Guantanamo, and
something would be accomplished.
But the 'code' prohibits this, so to avoid being shunned, they stay
silent. Some do speak up, and I personally know some troops who will be
eternally grateful. But there aren't enough willing to finger the Radicals.
Hachiroku ハチロク
> In article <gC3ti.13323$ya1....@news02.roc.ny>,
> "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishbo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> I started out reading this thread and got to about number 5 or was it 4
> then I thought to myself this is just another AH ad nauseam so I went to
> the last and replied thusly.
>
> Cheers and good luck Jeff, but I really think you are wasting your time.
The best thing about beating your head against a wall is that it feels so
good when you stop...
Hachiroku ハチロク
> "Hachiroku ????" <Tru...@AE86.gts> wrote in message
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>> Is now trying to take over Algiers.
>>
>> And they do it so well!
>>
>> First, they try to get kids to don 'bomb jackets'.
>>
>> Then, they target the release of the final Harry Potter book for a
>> 20,000 LB bomb.
>>
>> Now, they have a suicide bomber that blew himself up at an Algiers
>> amusement park, killing a bunch of kids.
>>
>> I guess they're trying to kill their enemies, before they become
>> enemies.
>>
>>
>>
> What sect of Muslims are you referring to? Who's paying them?
Who knows? Who cares?
I care about Assholes targeting little kids and calling it a jihad.
In other words, Ragheads.
Jeff Strickland
"Hachiroku ハチロク" <Tru...@AE86.gts> wrote in message
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>
> But I heard an interesting story on the BBC, and Jeff parroted it here.
>
FOR THE RECORD
Any parroting that might have happened is purely by chance. I know these
things becaouse I have a good spirit, and the good spirit speaks out against
the bad spirit. That is one of the rules of life.
Hachiroku ハチロク
>> But I heard an interesting story on the BBC, and Jeff parroted it here.
>>
>>
> FOR THE RECORD
> Any parroting that might have happened is purely by chance.
LOL! Yes, I know that! I know it was purely by chance, and I thought it
was pretty awesome that you said what I had JUST heard this morning!
Once again...Great Minds!
JoeSpareBedroom
> On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 12:35:06 +0000, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>
>> "Hachiroku ????" <Tru...@AE86.gts> wrote in message
>> news:8vYsi.75$ls4.53@trndny07...
>>> Is now trying to take over Algiers.
>>>
>>> And they do it so well!
>>>
>>> First, they try to get kids to don 'bomb jackets'.
>>>
>>> Then, they target the release of the final Harry Potter book for a
>>> 20,000 LB bomb.
>>>
>>> Now, they have a suicide bomber that blew himself up at an Algiers
>>> amusement park, killing a bunch of kids.
>>>
>>> I guess they're trying to kill their enemies, before they become
>>> enemies.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> What sect of Muslims are you referring to? Who's paying them?
>
>
> Who knows? Who cares?
Smart people know and care. Wouldn't you rather be smart than stupid?
JoeSpareBedroom
>>
>> Catholics raped young boys. Who do you blame for that?
>
> Oh so wrong again AH.
Catholic priests aren't Catholic? Maybe you should enlighten me,
peckerhead.
JoeSpareBedroom
>> Catholics raped young boys. Who do you blame for that?
>>
>
> The Catholics. What's your point?
>
> Specifically, the Catholic leaders, what's your point?
>
> As for the topic, I blame the leaders of the faith of Islam. The problem
> with that is, it's the leaders of the faith that are fueling the murder
> and mayhem that betrays the faith as one of peace. What's your point?
> Surely there are leaders within Islam that do not condone the murder and
> mayhem, but they are not in the world news on a daily basis.
Sure they are. But they don't lead the sect that's behind most of the
violence.
> Their silence makes the complacent in the murder and mayhem. I want to see
> leaders of Islam denouncing the bomb belts as rabidly as I denounce them,
> but they seem to accept them just as you accept them. Until the leader of
> the faith step up their efforts to make peace, the religion of peace is
> not peaceful.
There are Muslim leaders who are NOT silent on this issue. But, they can't
stop the violence, any more than the pope can stop priests from raping
children.
> The leaders of the Catholic church are finally stepping up and taking the
> hit for the bad deeds of their subordinates. The bad deeds do not melt
> away, but the church looks better, and the light at the end of the tunnel
> is that the bad deeds might stop.
>
> There is no light at the end of the tunnel in Islam. Jihad will continue.
> Murder and mayhem will continue. Killing innocent women and children will
> continue. Bombing bus stops will continue.
>
> I do not give Catholic priests a pass because they are sexually repressed
> through a vow of celibacy. I do not give Islam a bye because they suffer
> under leaders that rape and pillage the system and reap millions of
> dollars while the masses go hungry.
>
> You have yet to make a salient point. You have yet to make any point at
> all
The only way I could make what YOU consider a salient point would be to
teach you, and that is not my place. Yesterday, I offered to go to your
library web site and reserve a few books for you. Until you respond one way
or the other to this offer, we cannot continue.
JoeSpareBedroom
> On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 18:26:19 +0000, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>
>> "their killing". You said "their". Who are "they"? Which sect?
>
>
> Ragheads...
>
You are duplicating exactly what Jeff said earlier. Therefore, you are
adding nothing but clutter. Read all messages from the beginning of the
discussion, and stop adding duplicate clutter.
JoeSpareBedroom
What is your definition of raghead?
JoeSpareBedroom
You're a moron. But, you knew that.
Moe
Fartus Ignitus
> "Hachiroku ????" <Tru...@AE86.gts> wrote in message
>
> news:fxati.73$jk4.62@trndny01...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 12:35:06 +0000, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>
> >> "Hachiroku ????" <Tru...@AE86.gts> wrote in message
> >>news:8vYsi.75$ls4.53@trndny07...
> >>> Is now trying to take over Algiers.
>
> >>> And they do it so well!
>
> >>> First, they try to get kids to don 'bomb jackets'.
>
> >>> Then, they target the release of the final Harry Potter book for a
> >>> 20,000 LB bomb.
>
> >>> Now, they have a suicide bomber that blew himself up at an Algiers
> >>> amusement park, killing a bunch of kids.
>
> >>> I guess they're trying to kill their enemies, before they become
> >>> enemies.
>
> >> What sect of Muslims are you referring to? Who's paying them?
>
> > Who knows? Who cares?
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
Screw all muslims. They are dumbing down the west.
Fartus Ignitus
> "Jeff Strickland" <cr...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
>
> > For a Religion of Peace, they seem to have declared jihad against pretty
> > much everybody. Seems to me that jihad and peace are mutually exclusive
> > terms -- you can not claim one while declaring the other. Maybe I'm
> > missing something but I doubt it.
>
> "They"?
>
Who cares???? How do you tell the difference and at what cost? You
lost me, a fellow liberal, with your stance. Liberals need to grow a
set and face reality. I guess I better re-register Independent (and
buy some pump shotguns and buckshot shells).
Roadrunner NG
people. That should help you figure it out.
"JoeSpareBedroom" <dishbo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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JoeSpareBedroom
> In article <6kjti.13375$ya1....@news02.roc.ny>,
>
> Poor choice of words AH.
I'm using Strickland's logic. Some Catholics are child molesters, therefore
all Catholics are child molesters. If you disagree, take up the issue with
Strickland.
JoeSpareBedroom
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I know which sect(s) are doing what. I'm waiting to see if Hach reads
anything but headlines. We already know that dbu and Strickland do not.
JoeSpareBedroom
news:1186329576.4...@b79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
I don't care what political name you give yourself. This is not a
liberal/conservative issue. Choosing ignorance reflects on your parents, and
you'll pass the habit on to your children.
Hachiroku
Better than dying in the next Islamist attack on US soil...
Hachiroku
Read on, MacDuff, to find what I mean by "Ragheads"...
Hachiroku
Yeah, I know which sects are doing what. But you can't cubbyhole them.
There are even *AMERICAN BORN* 'Muslims" that are taking part in attacks
on the US.
It isn't a 'sect', it's those who believe Islam is the True Religion, and
all others are Infidels. And, if you're an Infidel, you must die.
It often crosses "sect" lines, with no real definition as to which sect is
doing the mayhem.
Hachiroku
Keep going...it's here...
Hachiroku
Who wrote this? Noam Chomsky?
I don't put a lot of stock in blogs. Anyone can sit around in his
underwear and post an opinion on-line.
Hachiroku
> "Hachiroku ????" <Tru...@AE86.gts> wrote in message
> news:fxati.73$jk4.62@trndny01...
>> On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 12:35:06 +0000, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>>
>>> "Hachiroku ????" <Tru...@AE86.gts> wrote in message
>>> news:8vYsi.75$ls4.53@trndny07...
>>>> Is now trying to take over Algiers.
>>>>
>>>> And they do it so well!
>>>>
>>>> First, they try to get kids to don 'bomb jackets'.
>>>>
>>>> Then, they target the release of the final Harry Potter book for a
>>>> 20,000 LB bomb.
>>>>
>>>> Now, they have a suicide bomber that blew himself up at an Algiers
>>>> amusement park, killing a bunch of kids.
>>>>
>>>> I guess they're trying to kill their enemies, before they become
>>>> enemies.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> What sect of Muslims are you referring to? Who's paying them?
>>
>>
>> Who knows? Who cares?
>
>
> Smart people know and care. Wouldn't you rather be smart than stupid?
I'd rather see the Ragheads burn in hell before they target another child.
n5hsr
news:pan.2007.08.05....@ae86.GTS...
JoeNOBedroom, the supreme Loonie Liberal Left moron, called you a moron?
That's rich.
Charles of Schaumburg
JoeSpareBedroom
news:pan.2007.08.05....@ae86.GTS...
Which ragheads?
We can do this forever, Hooch.
Fartus Ignitus
> "Fartus Ignitus" <fartusigni...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> - Show quoted text -
They are passing hatred of the west and the US to their children every
single day. Every future generation of muslims will hate westerners
and are ready to kill us and destroy our cultures. While they are
preparing for the next war you are fretting about some small western
notion of bigotry. You WILL pick a side, and soon. I pick the side
of the west, of democracy, of science, of modernity. You instead will
procastinate until you are begging to be let into one of our safe
fortifications while muslims chase your butt. This is no time to be
"nice" and politically correct.
Fartus Ignitus
> On 2007-08-05 16:56:56 -0700, Fartus Ignitus <fartusigni...@yahoo.com> said:
>
> > They are passing hatred of the west and the US to their children every
> > single day. Every future generation of muslims will hate westerners
> > and are ready to kill us and destroy our cultures. While they are
> > preparing for the next war you are fretting about some small western
> > notion of bigotry. You WILL pick a side, and soon. I pick the side
> > of the west, of democracy, of science, of modernity. You instead will
> > procastinate until you are begging to be let into one of our safe
> > fortifications while muslims chase your butt. This is no time to be
> > "nice" and politically correct.
>
>
> You do nothing but reinforce the image of a gap-toothed, banjo-playing,
> inbred chucklehead waiting for your fantasy notion of Armageddon.
>
> A shotgun? If you think a few rounds of double-ought and a sawed-off
> are going to protect your sorry ass, I suggest you stop watching Rambo
> movies and join the real world.
>
> Armed with your obvious "intellect" and your trusty Mossberg, you'll do
> fine when a 13 year-old comes-a-huntin' for your jewelry so as to
> buy himself that new PSP. Anything more than that, and you'll be
> in over your head, junior.
>
> Tell your mom you're wasting the bandwidth she's paying for.
And I guess you are going to wear a red coat and charge right at them
in broad daylight. I knew you were a wannabe who just runs his
mouth.
JoeSpareBedroom
Where on earth do you get these ideas from???
n5hsr
news:f95ok4$v5m$1...@news.albasani.net...
> On 2007-08-05 16:56:56 -0700, Fartus Ignitus <fartus...@yahoo.com>
>> They are passing hatred of the west and the US to their children every
>> single day. Every future generation of muslims will hate westerners
>> and are ready to kill us and destroy our cultures. While they are
>> preparing for the next war you are fretting about some small western
>> notion of bigotry. You WILL pick a side, and soon. I pick the side
>> of the west, of democracy, of science, of modernity. You instead will
>> procastinate until you are begging to be let into one of our safe
>> fortifications while muslims chase your butt. This is no time to be
>> "nice" and politically correct.
>
>
> You do nothing but reinforce the image of a gap-toothed, banjo-playing,
> inbred chucklehead waiting for your fantasy notion of Armageddon.
>
> A shotgun? If you think a few rounds of double-ought and a sawed-off
> are going to protect your sorry ass, I suggest you stop watching Rambo
> movies and join the real world.
>
> Armed with your obvious "intellect" and your trusty Mossberg, you'll do
> fine when a 13 year-old comes-a-huntin' for your jewelry so as to
> buy himself that new PSP. Anything more than that, and you'll be
> in over your head, junior.
>
> Tell your mom you're wasting the bandwidth she's paying for.
>
Somebody ought to just light a match near him, but be careful of the
shockwave.
Charles of Schaumburg
Hachiroku ハチロク
>> They are passing hatred of the west and the US to their children every
>> single day. Every future generation of muslims will hate westerners and
>> are ready to kill us and destroy our cultures. While they are preparing
>> for the next war you are fretting about some small western notion of
>> bigotry. You WILL pick a side, and soon. I pick the side of the west,
>> of democracy, of science, of modernity. You instead will procastinate
>> until you are begging to be let into one of our safe fortifications
>> while muslims chase your butt. This is no time to be "nice" and
>> politically correct.
>>
>>
> Where on earth do you get these ideas from???
Huh? Didn't you see the link I posted about Farful, the Islamic "Mickey
Mouse", aimed at teaching children to hate infidels, and the song about
wearing a bomb belt?
Hachiroku ハチロク
>>> I don't care what political name you give yourself. This is not a
>>> liberal/conservative issue. Choosing ignorance reflects on your
>>> parents, and you'll pass the habit on to your children.
>>
>>
>>Better than dying in the next Islamist attack on US soil...
>
> Yet members of bush's own administration admit that the chances of that
> are rising. Our attentions drawn to iraq are going th mean the deaths of
> more americans and you don't care. Fucking neocon.
Bullshit, Gary.
They've already stopped a number of attacks.
Yeah, one will get through, that's pretty much a given.
But so many Mad Bombers are tied up in Iraq that it's better to fight them
there than here.
Hachiroku ハチロク
(I'm beginning to think he's rooting for the jihadists...)
Hachiroku ハチロク
>>> Smart people know and care. Wouldn't you rather be smart than stupid?
>>
>>
>> I'd rather see the Ragheads burn in hell before they target another
>> child.
>>
>>
>>
> Which ragheads?
>
> We can do this forever, Hooch.
The ones targeting children and who want to kill you 'cause you're an
Infidel.
Why is that so hard for you to understand?
I don't care what 'sect' they are; it crosses 'sect' lines.
There are radicals in all factions of Islam; you can't say it's these
Muslims or those Muslims.
Find one carrying a bomb belt and an AK-47, and you'll know which ones.
n5hsr
Did he ever pay Scott the 500,000 semolias?
I doubt it.
They ought to call him Colt 45, always shooting off his mouth.
Charles of Schaumburg
larry moe 'n curly
Hachiroku wrote:
> This situation is worse than Vietnam. You could be training Iraqi troops
> that are supposed to be interested in keeping the peace, and have your
> head blown off because one of the Ragheads infiltrated the squad and laid
> low for a while and gained your trust.
Only one them? Optimist.
> I'm not saying iradicate them all, but the Rules of War have changed. You
> no longer wear one uniform, and I another.
During the Battle of the Bulge in WWII, German soldiers who could
speak English in American accents wore US uniforms.
> But I heard an interesting story on the BBC, and Jeff parroted it here.
>
> If the Muslims who are truly interested in peace got more involved, then
> the Coalition could be alerted to who is an ally and who isn't. Yeah,
> finger pointing. Ratting out. Whatever. Weed out the Ragheads and keep the
> rest. Then the Muslims who really do just want to get on with their lives
> could be set aside, and the rest ferreted out and sent to Guantanamo, and
> something would be accomplished.
>
> But the 'code' prohibits this, so to avoid being shunned, they stay
> silent. Some do speak up, and I personally know some troops who will be
> eternally grateful. But there aren't enough willing to finger the Radicals.
Those Iraqis certainly have nothing to fear from retaliation against
themselves and their families. So it's very puzzling that the better-
regarded US commanders will pretend to beat up Iraqi informants in
public or raid their homes and arrest them and family members. ;)
larry moe 'n curly
Hachiroku wrote:
> On Sun, 05 Aug 2007 08:42:02 -0500, Moe wrote:
> > http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/187081_focusbush22.html
>
> Who wrote this? Noam Chomsky?
I doubt that it was written by a Holocaust denier. Did you read even
some of it? At the bottom:
David Domke, a former journalist, is an associate
professor in the Department of Communication at the
University of Washington. His research focuses on the
relationships among political leaders, news coverage
and public opinion in the United States. He is the author
of "God Willing? Political Fundamentalism in the White
House, the 'War on Terror,' and the Echoing Press"
> I don't put a lot of stock in blogs.
It's not from a blog. It was a regular newspaper column from the
Seattle Post-Intelligencer -- pretty obvious from the URL.. What did
you think "seattlepi" stood for?
> Anyone can sit around in his underwear and post an opinion on-line.
Or criticize opinions presented in the legitimate press.
What's incorrect in Domke's column? GW Bush is probably America's
first fundamentalist president, and he does believe that he's right
because God wanted him to invade Iraq.
"On religious issues there can be little or no compromise.
There is no position on which people are so immovable as
their religious beliefs. There is no more powerful ally one
can claim in a debate than Jesus Christ, or God, or Allah,
or whatever one calls this supreme being. But like any
powerful weapon, the use of God's name on one's behalf
should be used sparingly. The religious factions that are
growing throughout our land are not using their religious
clout with wisdom. They are trying to force government
leaders into following their position 100 percent. If you
disagree with these religious groups on a particular moral
issue, they complain, they threaten you with a loss of
money or votes or both."
Barry Goldwater
Roadrunner NG
"Hachiroku ????" <Tru...@AE86.gts> wrote in message
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JoeSpareBedroom
One sect is paid via your gasoline purchases, and educated by "folks" who
pay nice visits to your president. I'd think you'd wanna know who they were,
so you can include their identity in the letters you write to your
president.
Fartus Ignitus
> On 2007-08-05 17:35:36 -0700, "n5hsr" <n5...@comcast.net> said:
>
>
>
>
>
> >> Prozac. Get Prozac.
>
> >> You do nothing but reinforce the image of a gap-toothed, banjo-playing,
> >> inbred chucklehead waiting for your fantasy notion of Armageddon.
>
> >> A shotgun? If you think a few rounds of double-ought and a sawed-off
> >> are going to protect your sorry ass, I suggest you stop watching Rambo
> >> movies and join the real world.
>
> >> Armed with your obvious "intellect" and your trusty Mossberg, you'll do
> >> fine when a 13 year-old comes-a-huntin' for your jewelry so as to
> >> buy himself that new PSP. Anything more than that, and you'll be
> >> in over your head, junior.
>
> >> Tell your mom you're wasting the bandwidth she's paying for.
>
> > Somebody ought to just light a match near him, but be careful of the
> > shockwave.
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
Hey witless, you sound like a sears republican, not the real thing.
You only take it halfway. That's not good for the movement. I even
think you are voting for Hilary.
Hachiroku ハチロク
"As an expert on Islam and terror, I know that all good Muslims are
terrorists and that most all terrorists are Muslims..."
Amazing. While listening to the BBC this morning, this is *just* what I
was thinking.
Most all of the acts of terrorism occuring in the world today are the acts
of Islamists. Most of these acts are performed because the victim 'isn't
religious enough'.
Hachiroku ハチロク
> With your chosen moniker, I'd not be writing about "movements", Chucko.
ROFLMAO! Yeah, that was funny!
Maybe 'Fartus' will change his nick to be taken a bit more seriously.
Hachiroku ハチロク
>> The ones targeting children and who want to kill you 'cause you're an
>> Infidel.
>>
>> Why is that so hard for you to understand?
>>
>> I don't care what 'sect' they are; it crosses 'sect' lines.
>>
>> There are radicals in all factions of Islam; you can't say it's these
>> Muslims or those Muslims.
>>
>> Find one carrying a bomb belt and an AK-47, and you'll know which ones.
>>
>>
>>
>
> One sect is paid via your gasoline purchases, and educated by "folks" who
> pay nice visits to your president. I'd think you'd wanna know who they
> were, so you can include their identity in the letters you write to your
> president.
I'm sure more than one sect is paid for by my gasoline purchases. Can't
change that overnight now, can we?
The unfortunate thing is that we had THIRTY YEARS to wean ourselves from
foreign fuels, but Congress, aided by the oil companies dragged their
heels until now it is a 'crisis', both economically and ecologically.
But, money talks and bullshit walks...
ma...@london.com
Hachiroku wrote:
> On Sun, 05 Aug 2007 21:23:50 +0000, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
> I'd rather see the Ragheads burn in hell before they target another child.
>>
> > Which ragheads?
> >
> > We can do this forever, Hooch.
>
>
> The ones targeting children and who want to kill you 'cause you're an
> Infidel.
>
> Why is that so hard for you to understand?
I think he's saying we outsiders can't pick out the bad ones from the
good because we're no good at reading the social signs.
JoeSpareBedroom
news:1186431789....@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
That's true, but I really want to know how little Hooch cares about what the
country's involved in. Actually, I already know, but I take every
opportunity to help him embarrass himself. I'm positive he reads nothing but
headlines.
Hachiroku ハチロク
>>> The ones targeting children and who want to kill you 'cause you're an
>>> Infidel.
>>>
>>> Why is that so hard for you to understand?
>>
>> I think he's saying we outsiders can't pick out the bad ones from the
>> good because we're no good at reading the social signs.
>>
>>
>
> That's true, but I really want to know how little Hooch cares about what
> the country's involved in. Actually, I already know, but I take every
> opportunity to help him embarrass himself. I'm positive he reads nothing
> but headlines.
Yup...see my latest post. More women and children killed...
JoeSpareBedroom
Yes. That's a bad thing.
You may be able to stop it. Do you know how?