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Re: {OT} Sebelius: Women Should Get Mammograms by Age 40

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tak

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Nov 20, 2009, 8:53:32 AM11/20/09
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"dbu`" <nos...@nobama.com.invalid> wrote in message
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> She's NOT a medical doctor, how in hell is she, (a politician/lobbyist)
> qualified to make such a statement.
>
> I think women should start getting screened by age 30. I know of at
> least one case where a woman under age 40 developed BC. She is now
> dead. Get screened, to hell with the government telling us, women and
> men when to get screened for various maladies.
>
> Forget about the AMA too, I believe they are a political wing of the
> dnc.
>
>
"I think women should start getting screened by age 30." Your quote, what
are your medical credentials?


JoeSpareBedroom

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"tak" <jki...@frontiernet.net> wrote in message
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dbu has a master's degree from Smirnoff University.


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JoeSpareBedroom

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Nov 20, 2009, 10:53:52 AM11/20/09
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"dbu`" <nos...@nobama.com.invalid> wrote in message
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> In article <DbxNm.33252$Zu5....@newsfe24.iad>,
> Firstly I am not a official of the government. Secondly I never claimed
> to be a medical professional. I said I think women should start getting
> screened by age 30.
>
> What have you against women getting screened by age 30?


He never said women should not get screened by age 30.


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JoeSpareBedroom

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Nov 20, 2009, 11:28:34 AM11/20/09
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"dbu`" <nos...@nobama.com.invalid> wrote in message
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> In article <jYyNm.21148$gi1....@newsfe19.iad>,
> Then you agree that Sebelius and the obama administration are wrong.


That's your 2nd reading comprehension train wreck in this thread. Wanna try
for 3?


Richard W.

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Nov 20, 2009, 11:35:25 AM11/20/09
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"dbu`" <nos...@nobama.com.invalid> wrote in message
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> She's NOT a medical doctor, how in hell is she, (a politician/lobbyist)
> qualified to make such a statement.
>
> I think women should start getting screened by age 30. I know of at
> least one case where a woman under age 40 developed BC. She is now
> dead. Get screened, to hell with the government telling us, women and
> men when to get screened for various maladies.
>
> Forget about the AMA too, I believe they are a political wing of the
> dnc.
>
>
> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,575649,00.html
> --
>

My wife almost died of colon cancer at 48. Everyone should get checked when
they turn 45 in my opinion.

Richard W.


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Jeff Strickland

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Nov 20, 2009, 11:49:34 AM11/20/09
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"dbu`" <nos...@nobama.com.invalid> wrote in message
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> She's NOT a medical doctor, how in hell is she, (a politician/lobbyist)
> qualified to make such a statement.
>
> I think women should start getting screened by age 30. I know of at
> least one case where a woman under age 40 developed BC. She is now
> dead. Get screened, to hell with the government telling us, women and
> men when to get screened for various maladies.
>
> Forget about the AMA too, I believe they are a political wing of the
> dnc.
>
>
> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,575649,00.html
> --
>


It's one thing for government to tell us when we should START getting
screened by 40, it's entirely another matter when the tell us we can't get
screened until 40.

The problem we see here is that the AMA, or somebody, came out and said that
women get screened too early. The problem that presents is since government
is getting poised to take over health care, they will disallow screening
until some guideline's benchmark comes along. If a doctor tells a patient at
20 that she should get screened, she should get screened.

Men don't generally get prostrate trouble until after 40, but some get it as
early as 30 and most never get it. But if the guideline says the screening
isn't needed until a certain age, then those that fall below that age will
have to pay for the procedure or not get it at all.

Women don't generally develop breast cancer until into their 50's, but in
the past we (doctors) told them to have mamograms starting at 40 so they
could develop the baseline from which to detect the cancer growing before it
gets out of hand. If the guideline says that mammograms aren't necessary,
then there will be women that get to an advanced stage of breast cancer
before the first mammogram is done, and by then it will be too late --
maybe.

If the government was going to set the guideline, it should set it early
rather than late. The problem with this position is that it is very costly
to do these tests on people that will never get the disease in the first
place, but the government will want to catch those that will get it and
catch them early.

This is just one of the many reasons why government does not belong in the
health care business.


JoeSpareBedroom

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Nov 20, 2009, 11:52:41 AM11/20/09
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"dbu`" <nos...@nobama.com.invalid> wrote in message
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> In article <RszNm.21150$gi1....@newsfe19.iad>,
> Answer the question, you think Sebelius and the obama administration are
> wrong? YES/NO! Answer up twit.
> --
>


You silly monkey. The Obama administration doesn't make recommendations
about breast cancer screening. Neither did the Bush administration, even
though the previous guidelines were announced in 2002. Presidents are not
doctors.

You need to get out of the house. Go for a walk.


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JoeSpareBedroom

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Nov 20, 2009, 12:10:25 PM11/20/09
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"dbu`" <nos...@nobama.com.invalid> wrote in message
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> In article <sPzNm.21153$gi1....@newsfe19.iad>,
> Lets us try this then twit. You do agree that Sebelius is a politician,
> former lobbyist and a political appointee, agreed? Just answer the
> simple question.
> --
>


Of course she is, but that proves nothing. She doesn't make determinations
about breast cancer screening. She makes announcements.

Now, get outside. You need fresh air. You've been stuck in your smelly old
recliner for way too long.


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JoeSpareBedroom

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Nov 20, 2009, 1:33:30 PM11/20/09
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"dbu`" <nos...@nobama.com.invalid> wrote in message
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> In article <44ANm.21158$gi1....@newsfe19.iad>,
> Don't have a recliner twit.
>
> So you agree that Sebelius is a political appointee, a politician and
> former lobbyist for a lawyer group and does not qualify to make
> statements regarding when women should be screened for breast cancer.


She is qualified to announce findings made by doctors. That's her job. But
you knew that. You just need to win something. Anything. You're desperate.


Hachiroku

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Nov 20, 2009, 1:53:22 PM11/20/09
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Nothing of any substance, and yet you jump in anyway.

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JoeSpareBedroom

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Nov 20, 2009, 3:35:08 PM11/20/09
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"dbu`" <nos...@nobama.com.invalid> wrote in message
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> In article <goBNm.45857$Xf2....@newsfe12.iad>,
> She doesn't know what she's doing, but you know that, you just wanted
> something to do till it's time for your Friday night gig and drinking
> party.
> --
>


Earlier this week, you and your club were bitching when the recommended
screening age was raised to 50. Sibelius is saying it's 40. So in fact, you
have no problem with what she said except that she didn't say "30", which
was the number YOU pulled out of your ass.


tak

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Nov 20, 2009, 4:06:15 PM11/20/09
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"Hachiroku" <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote in message
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Substance, Hachi? Substance here?

This is the reality:
Chaos, panic, & disorder - my work here is done.( for now)
Not a believer? look at the rest of the thread/


Hachiroku

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Nov 20, 2009, 4:09:36 PM11/20/09
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On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:06:15 -0500, tak wrote:

> "Hachiroku" <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote in message
> news:he6oj2$gsa$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 08:56:14 -0500, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>>
>>> "tak" <jki...@frontiernet.net> wrote in message
>>> news:DbxNm.33252$Zu5....@newsfe24.iad...
>>>>
>>>> "dbu`" <nos...@nobama.com.invalid> wrote in message
>>>> news:7LWdnfk_RsbgBpvW...@giganews.com...
>>>>> She's NOT a medical doctor, how in hell is she, (a
>>>>> politician/lobbyist) qualified to make such a statement.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think women should start getting screened by age 30. I know of at
>>>>> least one case where a woman under age 40 developed BC. She is now
>>>>> dead. Get screened, to hell with the government telling us, women
>>>>> and men when to get screened for various maladies.
>>>>>
>>>>> Forget about the AMA too, I believe they are a political wing of
>>>>> the dnc.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> "I think women should start getting screened by age 30." Your quote,
>>>> what are your medical credentials?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> dbu has a master's degree from Smirnoff University.
>>
>> Nothing of any substance, and yet you jump in anyway.
>>
> Substance, Hachi? Substance here?

Sorry...forgot where I was for a second...

>
> This is the reality:
> Chaos, panic, & disorder

Well, a lot of people think the alt. groups mean "alternative", but what
the alt really stands for is "anarchists, lunatics and terrorists".

Gospel! I mean, for real.

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JoeSpareBedroom

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Nov 20, 2009, 4:20:01 PM11/20/09
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"dbu`" <nos...@nobama.com.invalid> wrote in message
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> In article <%3DNm.45860$Xf2....@newsfe12.iad>,
> YOU are drunk. Better stay home tonight and not embarrass yourself by
> stumbling onto the stage and breaking your four string strings.
> --
>


Oh really?

Why don't you try explaining what you don't like about Sibelius' comments.
Good luck keeping your explanation straight.


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tak

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Nov 20, 2009, 6:43:09 PM11/20/09
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"dbu`" <nos...@nobama.com.invalid> wrote in message
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> In article <ixDNm.43639$W77....@newsfe11.iad>,
> But tak loves it. Otherwise why would it post.
> --
>
You are "it", Dooby and JSB seems to be able score on you at will.


Hachiroku ハチロク

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Nov 20, 2009, 9:07:15 PM11/20/09
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On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:43:09 -0500, tak wrote:

>>> This is the reality:
>>> Chaos, panic, & disorder - my work here is done.( for now) Not a
>>> believer? look at the rest of the thread/
>>
>> But tak loves it. Otherwise why would it post. --
>>
> You are "it", Dooby and JSB seems to be able score on you at will.

JSB is a snot-nosed heap of parrot droppings who rarely adds anything of
value. Lately his posts have only been, pretty much, "Oh. Yeah?!" and
"Show me".

tak

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"Hachiroku ????" <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote in message
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You seem to be harboring a certain animus toward Doug?

Anyway, if what you say is true why do Dooby and Scott Race to The starting
line to play with him??


Hachiroku ハチロク

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Nov 20, 2009, 10:20:49 PM11/20/09
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What about me? I do, too!

You're being awful vociferous today! What's up? You haven't been around
much lately.

tak

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Nov 20, 2009, 10:34:53 PM11/20/09
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That would be an off group item if you want the story.


Hachiroku ハチロク

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Nov 20, 2009, 10:43:24 PM11/20/09
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On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 22:34:53 -0500, tak wrote:

>
> "Hachiroku ????" <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote in message
> news:pan.2009.11.21....@e86.GTS...
>> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:14:25 -0500, tak wrote:
>>
>>
>>> "Hachiroku ????" <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote in message
>>> news:pan.2009.11.21....@e86.GTS...
>>>> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:43:09 -0500, tak wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>> This is the reality:
>>>>>>> Chaos, panic, & disorder - my work here is done.( for now) Not a
>>>>>>> believer? look at the rest of the thread/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But tak loves it. Otherwise why would it post. --
>>>>>>
>>>>> You are "it", Dooby and JSB seems to be able score on you at will.
>>>>
>>>> JSB is a snot-nosed heap of parrot droppings who rarely adds anything
>>>> of value. Lately his posts have only been, pretty much, "Oh. Yeah?!"
>>>> and "Show me".
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> You seem to be harboring a certain animus toward Doug?
>>>
>>> Anyway, if what you say is true why do Dooby and Scott Race to The
>>> starting line to play with him??
>>
>> What about me? I do, too!
>>
>> You're being awful vociferous today! What's up? You haven't been around
>> much lately.
>>
> That would be an off group item if you want the story.

hachiro...@yahoo.com

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JoeSpareBedroom

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"dbu`" <nos...@nobama.com.invalid> wrote in message
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> In article <4KDNm.45867$Xf2....@newsfe12.iad>,
> Why should I repost it, you don't read. Have fun at your gig tonight
> twit, but remember, don't drink and then drive home.
> --
>


You **THINK** you posted it clearly, but you didn't.


Hachiroku ハチロク

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Nov 21, 2009, 2:36:39 PM11/21/09
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On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 05:46:01 -0600, dbu` wrote:

>
> JSB must be sleeping it off this morning. I hope he had someone drive him
> home last night or early this morning. I'd hate to see him laying is some
> street gutter, all trashed out...

I'm sure you wouldn't... ;)

Must have had a gig last night, and where he is they probably still give
the bands Open Bar.

They used to around here, but ONE BAND has erased that policy! Everyone
but the pedal steel player is an alcoholic, and I used to play with the
guitar player. At the end of the night, he owed the bar more than he made!

JoeSpareBedroom

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Nov 21, 2009, 2:41:06 PM11/21/09
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"Hachiroku ????" <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote in message
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Nobody in my band has more than one beer or cocktail all night, which is why
the band sounds so remarkable. That's a rule. Whoever breaks that rule finds
themselves out of the band. It's already happened to two players.


Hachiroku ハチロク

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Nov 21, 2009, 4:59:18 PM11/21/09
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Guitar player doesn't drink, girl singer doesn't, other guitar
player...well...drummer...well...me, rarely.

We did fire the last drummer for drinking too much.

Mike Hunter

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Nov 21, 2009, 7:11:13 PM11/21/09
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Sound like the BO and the Dims in Congress LOL


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Mike Hunter

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But, but, but, Joe$#itForBrains, you just said the guys in the band did not
drink. It must have been drugs LOL


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"Scott in Florida" <Mov...@outa.here> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 14:41:06 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom"
> So you are an arse hole in real life, too?
>
> Not surprising.
>
> Somebody is gonna beat you silly one day.....
>
> --
>
> Scott in Florida


Asshole? Not at all. For some bands, the reason for playing gigs is to get
shit-faced. For ours, it's to attract the widest possible audience so we can
charge confiscatory rates. (Thank you, Rush Limbaugh). To do that, we have
to provide maximum quality, which cannot be done with a buzz on.


Hachiroku ハチロク

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Nov 21, 2009, 8:41:16 PM11/21/09
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LOL!

I just like playing. But I like playing to a full house.

Funny thing is, every band I've had that plays note for note draws people,
but the bands I've had that had a mediocre guitar player, hacked our way
through song like a garage band, and got drunk as hell gathered the
largest number of people! I don't *get it*!

But, then again, you did ask me what kind of a podunk I lived in...

JoeSpareBedroom

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We were promised $600 (for six players) tonight, plus "more if the crowd is
good". We each came home with $200.00. Apparently, things went really well.


Hachiroku ハチロク

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Nov 22, 2009, 2:23:46 PM11/22/09
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DAMN! I'd say so! Last two gigs we each got $41.66! But I think you're in
a larger market.

Remember I said, when the rest of the world is in a recession, this area
is in a depression.

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