{BS} Obama begging for money to stop Palin
Hachiroku ハチロク
You can't make this stuff up!
JoeSpareBedroom
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> http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2009/11/obama-money-sarah-palin-going-rogue-book.html
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> You can't make this stuff up!
It's not easy to overcome the power of tits.
Hachiroku ハチロク
Now, if we can just get her into fishnets...
in2dadark
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> > You can't make this stuff up!
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> It's not easy to overcome the power of tits.
obarry knows this too well.
ByTor
Mov...@outa.here says...
I'm all for the pressure she seems to exert with all the reactions she
gets from both the left media & the left in power, they're afraid she
will take *votes* away from them. The media, well she makes good news
for them........I love when she answered the question about Letterman &
appearing on his show if given the chance, she said she will not help
him boost his ratings, which in fact is what would happen......look what
happened with the Oprah show......I admire her for that because can you
imagine what her payday would be on that?.......;0)
> Can you imagine his ego when Sarah beats him with a landslide????
Forget Obama, could you imagine how Hillary Clinton would feel? Honestly
I'd be a bit more comfortable with Hillary in office, not much, but a
little more comfortable.
> Can you imagine how great the country will be with her at the helm????
But, while I like the fact that she keeps them off balance I'm sort of
putting her in the same category as Obama, *popular* but yet seriously
*inexperienced*. I honestly don't think I would be comfortable with her
in a high position of power. Yes she got a raw deal during the campaigns
& I feel totally treated with disrespect far more than I have ever seen
any other candidate treated but her *victim* routine is not enough for
me to ever consider her for a high position of power. She has three
things in common with Obama; Inexperienced, popularity, and she would
have the goal at being the *first* woman president as Obama is the first
black president. All three are NOT qualifications to be president.
Bottom line, unless she *TOTALLY* suprises me with some sort of newfound
brilliance (I'm not saying she's stupid) I would not vote for her.
Hachiroku ハチロク
>> Can you imagine his ego when Sarah beats him with a landslide????
>
> Forget Obama, could you imagine how Hillary Clinton would feel? Honestly
> I'd be a bit more comfortable with Hillary in office, not much, but a
> little more comfortable.
I'm almost beginning to feel that way myself, but then, she didn't do a
great job the first time...
Hachiroku ハチロク
> or out of them.......
Those pics in Runner's World...if I wree a teenage boy, I'd be having
fantasies...
ByTor
says...
Agreed.......But her *victim* routine can only go so far as well
(standing by her man). She was also check mated by accepting her current
position, I thought she was smarter than that or she has just given up
on future aspirations for president and takes what she can get. The
hypocrisy of the campaigns & than smooching up to Obama was redicolous &
transparent, she kinda lost me there a little by not standing firm to
her principles.
JoeSpareBedroom
You are, and you are.
JoeSpareBedroom
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> putting her in the same category as Obama, *popular* but yet seriously
> *inexperienced*. I honestly don't think I would be comfortable with her
> in a high position of power. Yes she got a raw deal during the campaigns
> & I feel totally treated with disrespect far more than I have ever seen
> any other candidate treated but her *victim* routine is not enough for
> me to ever consider her for a high position of power. She has three
> things in common with Obama; Inexperienced, popularity, and she would
> have the goal at being the *first* woman president as Obama is the first
> black president. All three are NOT qualifications to be president.
>
> Bottom line, unless she *TOTALLY* suprises me with some sort of newfound
> brilliance (I'm not saying she's stupid) I would not vote for her.
I spoke last week with an 88 year old neighbor who went on one of those
honor flights to Washington ( http://www.honorflight.org/ ). McCain met
briefly with his group. The neighbor said McCain seemed pretty frail. After
a pause, he said it was pretty scary to think of who his running mate was.
He said he was a Republican, he'd voted the party line for years, but if the
party propped her to run in the next election, it would be the last time he
voted Republican.
ByTor
news...@frontiernet.net says...
Basically though I am putting both Obama & Palin in the same category so
I won't take sides on the Palin bashing, Obama squeaked by, more on the
fact that people were fed up with Bush & the republicans, I think his
vote was more of an *EMOTIONAL* one just as Palin's vote *now* would be
an *EMOTIONAL* one & to *stick* it to Democrats........So it's business
as usual & a vote for her would be the same motivations as the vote for
Obama.
I'd agree that McCain hosed himself with picking Palin but in all
fairness the spread of votes really weren't that far apart so I guess
that other almost 1/2 of the country didn't feel as hesitant. McCain had
one *HUGE* advantage in the *emotional* vote, he was a war hero & people
do respect that and put it in high regard, especially the tortures he
endured, but in my view I did not allow that to *cloud* my judgement of
him. Calling him frail & some of the other demeaning things they have
said about him I think disrespects him & I would refuse to fall along
that line of thinking.........I mean look what they did to Bob Dole, I
found that dispicable & uncalled for.
Mike Hunter
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JoeSpareBedroom
This country has missed out on having quite a few highly qualified people in
the White House. That's just the way it is. Lee Iacocca said the best
executives would never take the job because they could never put up with the
long, drawn out process involved with getting things done. He's probably
right. And the best people in government are probably too boring. Can you
imagine Daniel Patrick Moynihan's state of the union address? The guy was
brilliant, but he'd be a snooze for most listeners.
JoeSpareBedroom
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ByTor
Iacocca was right though, I definately agree with that. It is a shame
that all the bullshit & ulterior motives have to be weeded out first
before the actual *heart* of the issue is challenged. There is WAY to
much distraction in *politics* that I think does major injustices to the
*people* that want actual & genuine representation, our system of
government is *polluted* with it, the *people* are always on the shit
end of the stick. Unfortunately all the debating & what's currently
going on does not change my mind that there is *real* hope for change,
it appears to be business as usual and for that I'm dissapointed that I
feel this way but I do.
JoeSpareBedroom
Even without the bullshit, the very nature of the system is more than some
execs could put up with. Can you imagine execs like Bill Gates having to run
all his ideas by the corporate equivalent of both houses of congress? We'd
still be using black & white character-based software if that was the case.
Our system is like a church committee on steroids.
ByTor
As I always say, motivation is about *self* preservation for these
politicians......it's a shame really & I have no furthur energy to argue
against it anymore.......very disappointing indeed.
JoeSpareBedroom
Remember when Mario Cuomo briefly made some noise about running for
president and the idea got shot down by I-don't-know-who? What did you think
of him as a possible candidate?
ByTor
Mario Cuomo I'm not sure about, I don't have much faith honestly with
Democrats these days to even consider what his *actual* motivations are.
I would have to know what his current positions are on things to even
consider an opinion. If he's just another candidate to push an *agenda*
machine of the us against them mentality than I would have serious
doubts, it would be just business as usual again.........But to be fair
I will also accuse the republican party of the same thing come 2012, I
hope not but I'm sure my suspicions will be correct, these politicians
are totally detached from the actual *will* of the people they
represent.
JoeSpareBedroom
>> > As I always say, motivation is about *self* preservation for these
>> > politicians......it's a shame really & I have no furthur energy to
>> > argue
>> > against it anymore.......very disappointing indeed.
>>
>>
>> Remember when Mario Cuomo briefly made some noise about running for
>> president and the idea got shot down by I-don't-know-who? What did you
>> think
>> of him as a possible candidate?
>
> Mario Cuomo I'm not sure about, I don't have much faith honestly with
> Democrats these days to even consider what his *actual* motivations are.
> I would have to know what his current positions are on things to even
> consider an opinion. If he's just another candidate to push an *agenda*
> machine of the us against them mentality than I would have serious
> doubts, it would be just business as usual again.........But to be fair
> I will also accuse the republican party of the same thing come 2012, I
> hope not but I'm sure my suspicions will be correct, these politicians
> are totally detached from the actual *will* of the people they
> represent.
It's all past tense anyway. He's stepped away from public life, other than
the occasional commentary on news shows. What I liked about him is that he
was able to talk about how his religion (Catholic) affected his views, while
at the same time explaining that it was the responsibility of politicians to
make decisions according to what they felt their constituents wanted, even
if it contradicts a politician's own beliefs.
Unfortunately, he used too many big words for most people, so his message
never gained much traction with certain "types".
ByTor
news...@frontiernet.net says...
If that's the case than I would listen to him. I was young during his
career and obviously not very interested as I was doing my own things so
forming a *quick* opinion would be irresponsible on my part. I did
briefly go to wikpedia and did see a mention about his views based on
his religion & his opposition to the death penalty. But it is past tense
as you say, people change over the years so who knows. His son Andrew on
the otherhand, I'm still pissed about his internet bullshit that he
pulled but that's another issue.......;0)
> Unfortunately, he used too many big words for most people, so his message
> never gained much traction with certain "types".
Not sure what ya mean by *certain* types, or maybe I do, but I refuse to
go there no matter how much ya try & drag me into it.....(LMAO)
JoeSpareBedroom
Here's the "type". I knew one would come along as soon as I mentioned Cuomo.
:-) It's like catching sunfish. Stupid little fish.
As a wise man in Baltimore told me.....Cuomo is twenty thousand
zero's....
Scott in Florida
ByTor
You 2 need to get a room.........(LMAO)
JoeSpareBedroom
Never mind him.
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/religionandethics/week735/exclusive.html
Hachiroku ハチロク
>> I'd agree that McCain hosed himself with picking Palin but in all
>> fairness the spread of votes really weren't that far apart so I guess
>> that other almost 1/2 of the country didn't feel as hesitant. McCain had
>> one *HUGE* advantage in the *emotional* vote, he was a war hero & people
>> do respect that and put it in high regard, especially the tortures he
>> endured, but in my view I did not allow that to *cloud* my judgement of
>> him. Calling him frail & some of the other demeaning things they have
>> said about him I think disrespects him & I would refuse to fall along
>> that line of thinking.........I mean look what they did to Bob Dole, I
>> found that dispicable & uncalled for.
>
>
> This country has missed out on having quite a few highly qualified people
> in the White House. That's just the way it is. Lee Iacocca said the best
> executives would never take the job because they could never put up with
> the long, drawn out process involved with getting things done.
This is possibly the one single smartest post you have ever posted here.
Bravo!
Hachiroku ハチロク
>>
>> Those pics in Runner's World...if I wree a teenage boy, I'd be having
>> fantasies...
>
>
> You are, and you are.
Damn. Saw right through me...
ByTor
A very interesting read but..............
I think I would have to have a position in order to offer some kind of
opinion on what the premise of that article was about, religion. I think
in all fairness I would say that I'm neutral about it but more leaning
on the side that it's a non-issue for me. I have my own personal
opinions about the issues that are discussed but it's definately not
motivated from a *religious* aspect as I am *not* a practicing anything.
I personally don't care for all this religious stuff influencing
anything, but I do have to be open minded & fair because a majority of
this country & the world believes in some sort of being, while I don't,
I still respect religious beliefs, and I am by no means one of those
atheist/agnostics that will go out of my way to shove my beliefs down
their throats either.....I just ask to repectfully be left alone.
What I don't respect is *interference* by religion in government
affairs. But Cuomo did say that the seperation of church & state is a
*curtain* & not well defined, unfortunately though religious beliefs do
play a key part in our elections as well. I wish the abortion issue
would go away at every election, I think we may actually get something
done if that's not *ALWAYS* a major issue every election & influences
votes but it is a reality in our society. Look what's happening with the
healthcare debate, it's boiling down to once again a religious issue???
Can't get away from it.........;0)
JoeSpareBedroom
>>
>> http://www.pbs.org/wnet/religionandethics/week735/exclusive.html
>
> A very interesting read but..............
>
> I think I would have to have a position in order to offer some kind of
> opinion on what the premise of that article was about, religion. I think
> in all fairness I would say that I'm neutral about it but more leaning
> on the side that it's a non-issue for me. I have my own personal
> opinions about the issues that are discussed but it's definately not
> motivated from a *religious* aspect as I am *not* a practicing anything.
> I personally don't care for all this religious stuff influencing
> anything, but I do have to be open minded & fair because a majority of
> this country & the world believes in some sort of being, while I don't,
> I still respect religious beliefs, and I am by no means one of those
> atheist/agnostics that will go out of my way to shove my beliefs down
> their throats either.....I just ask to repectfully be left alone.
>
> What I don't respect is *interference* by religion in government
> affairs. But Cuomo did say that the seperation of church & state is a
> *curtain* & not well defined, unfortunately though religious beliefs do
> play a key part in our elections as well. I wish the abortion issue
> would go away at every election, I think we may actually get something
> done if that's not *ALWAYS* a major issue every election & influences
> votes but it is a reality in our society. Look what's happening with the
> healthcare debate, it's boiling down to once again a religious issue???
> Can't get away from it.........;0)
>
No politician is sincere when they inject religion into politics. It's a
tool, a ploy, or whatever you want to call it. That's why I use the term
"fake saints" to describe these politicians. Here's a perfect and prominent
example of a fake saint using religion to turn around his political
fortunes:
http://www.slate.com/id/2161566/
Jeff Strickland
I don't think Palin ran the McCain Train off the rails. I think he was off
the rails already.
I accept the idea that perhaps he could have righted the train with a
different VP pick, maybe. But picking Palin for a running mate isn't what
did him in. Indeed, he could have played her differently and that could have
put the train on the rails again, maybe.
The likeability factor of Sarah Palin is pretty high, mostly for many of the
same reasons her detractors detract. She is likeable because she's just like
the average Joe on the street, except for the mayor and governor thing that
she did. She sees things logically and people like that. She could have been
cut loose by the McCain Team and she would have shredded Obama's
credibility. How, she would ask, could anybody sit in Sunday Services for
20-some odd years and not hear the preacher damn America? How could anybody
baptise a child in such a hateful environment? How, she would ask, could a
Presdiential hopeful's Wife be permitted to say, "In my adult life I have
never been proud to call myself an American, until now," and not be
challenged by anybody? How could a man share a seat on a board of directors
with a known and admitted American Terrorist and launch his political career
from his living room, and then pretend they are just passing acquaintances?
The Titanic and the iceburg are just passing acquaintances, Custer and the
indians were passing acquaintances. Had Custer sat down to dinner and a few
beers and had the indians over to his fort so they could spend time with his
family, then the indians might not have done him in because by then they
aren't passing acquaintances anymore.
Sarah Palin could have asked these kinds of questions, and _maybe_ that
would have helped right the McCain Train and put it back on the rails.
Maybe.
Obama is like a bait-and-switch at the TV Store. They advertise a 60" Sony
flat screen, but there's only one. Everybody else gets a 13" Emerson. Or
worse, they advertise the Sony but don't have any, don't intend to ever have
any.
JoeSpareBedroom
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> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:30:49 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom"
> <news...@frontiernet.net> wrote:
>
>>No politician is sincere when they inject religion into politics.
>
>
> but you make them continually....who is surprised????
>
> --
>
> Scott in Florida
Maybe you're right. Show me one politician who is sincere when mentioning
religion in the political arena.
ByTor
says...
Like I said Joe its hard for me to discuss an issue like this & I'm not
suprised that there is hypocrisy as you are pointing out with the above
article. I don't hold politicians to *high* standards like that, but I
would have to agree to the phrase "walk the talk" but that rarely
happens in politics & people's personal lives, I don't get caught up in
all these stupid scandals, no one is perfect.........But what's
happening & what is speculated about the demise of the republican party
is that these politicians are *bending* their principles instead of
standing by them. While some may see the repubs as the just say *no*
party maybe they are finally getting it by *standing* their ground,
because for 8 years they sure as hell didn't do that, they bended more
than they stayed straight.
ByTor
crwl...@yahoo.com says...
I guess maybe that's what I'm trying to say. I'm by no means saying she
is a stupid person but there was just to many questions about her as she
was a *mystery* in many peoples eyes, the opposition & media honed in on
that to their benefit.
> The likeability factor of Sarah Palin is pretty high, mostly for many of the
> same reasons her detractors detract. She is likeable because she's just like
> the average Joe on the street, except for the mayor and governor thing that
> she did. She sees things logically and people like that. She could have been
> cut loose by the McCain Team and she would have shredded Obama's
> credibility. How, she would ask, could anybody sit in Sunday Services for
> 20-some odd years and not hear the preacher damn America? How could anybody
> baptise a child in such a hateful environment? How, she would ask, could a
> Presdiential hopeful's Wife be permitted to say, "In my adult life I have
> never been proud to call myself an American, until now," and not be
> challenged by anybody? How could a man share a seat on a board of directors
> with a known and admitted American Terrorist and launch his political career
> from his living room, and then pretend they are just passing acquaintances?
> The Titanic and the iceburg are just passing acquaintances, Custer and the
> indians were passing acquaintances. Had Custer sat down to dinner and a few
> beers and had the indians over to his fort so they could spend time with his
> family, then the indians might not have done him in because by then they
> aren't passing acquaintances anymore.
This is where the *mystery* factor is as well with Obama that I compared
with Palin.........An unknown, mysteriously jetted into the spotlight.
The left got what they wanted demeaning Palin but gave Obama a pass on
his aquaintances, that to me I could never forgive and is probably the
biggest irresponsibility in journalism I have ever witnessed in my life.
But they attacked Palin to discredit McCain, and that was a bad decision
& tactic on his part I think, so I do agree with you, Palin did not do
him in *personally* it was his decision that brought it upon himself, he
should have seen this coming.
> Sarah Palin could have asked these kinds of questions, and _maybe_ that
> would have helped right the McCain Train and put it back on the rails.
> Maybe.
Well if I remember from the campaign she was the one, or used as a
vehicle, in expressing these issues....her palling around with
terrorists comment was a BAD move I think, the left media were given a
BOMB to exploit her on......sad.
> Obama is like a bait-and-switch at the TV Store. They advertise a 60" Sony
> flat screen, but there's only one. Everybody else gets a 13" Emerson. Or
> worse, they advertise the Sony but don't have any, don't intend to ever have
> any.
Yes I agree......Unfortunatly until these candidates get in there & see
what's really going on I am always skeptical about anything they say in
campaigns, it's a hard judgement to make but I think when they get into
the office & REALITY smacks them in the face all that rhetoric &
ideologoly they spewed goes right out the window. But I do agree again,
so far things have been very disappointing, at least in my eyes.
Hachiroku ハチロク
>
> I don't think Palin ran the McCain Train off the rails. I think he was off
> the rails already.
She didn't help with the moderates, and certainly drove the Liberals
screaming and running (but, that doesn't take much, does it?)
I know a lot of people who would have voted for McCain, but ended up
voting for the Teleprompter-In-Chief because of Palin.
Jeff Strickland
The decision to bring in Palin was made after the train was off the track.
Palin and the decision to pick her had no bearing on the McCain campaign.
The campaign was hosed already.
Picking another might have helped even if the campaign handled that person
the way it handled Palin. OR, handling Palin differently might have helped.
Palin could have saved the campaign if the canpaign had let her do what she
does best. She couldn't have made things any worse than the campaign made
them.
>> Sarah Palin could have asked these kinds of questions, and _maybe_ that
>> would have helped right the McCain Train and put it back on the rails.
>> Maybe.
>
> Well if I remember from the campaign she was the one, or used as a
> vehicle, in expressing these issues....her palling around with
> terrorists comment was a BAD move I think, the left media were given a
> BOMB to exploit her on......sad.
>
This highlights a BIG problem with the media. Instead of flying to her
backyard to see if Russia was visible on the horizon, they should have
wondered if Obama really was palling around with America Haters.
>> Obama is like a bait-and-switch at the TV Store. They advertise a 60"
>> Sony
>> flat screen, but there's only one. Everybody else gets a 13" Emerson. Or
>> worse, they advertise the Sony but don't have any, don't intend to ever
>> have
>> any.
>
> Yes I agree......Unfortunatly until these candidates get in there & see
> what's really going on I am always skeptical about anything they say in
> campaigns, it's a hard judgement to make but I think when they get into
> the office & REALITY smacks them in the face all that rhetoric &
> ideologoly they spewed goes right out the window. But I do agree again,
> so far things have been very disappointing, at least in my eyes.
>
That's true. If the box says Sony, you don't expect an Emerson inside ... It
seems people have not opened the new TV yet, and they are sitting around
staring at the box without opening it and looking inside.
But the media's Job One is to open the f---ing box and discover somebody put
the Emerson in it instead of the Sony. Instead, the media is crowded around
a piece of crap that belongs in the garage, and they marvel at the leather
couch and exclaim how good the picture looks, and don't seem to notice they
aren't watching a Sony.
This is truly the Smoke & Mirrors Administration.
Jeff Strickland
"Hachiroku ????" <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote in message
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I don't know anybody that didn't vote McCain because Palin was on the
ticket, except JoeShitForBrains who claims he didn't vote FOR Obama, he just
voted AGAINST Palin.
I think that Palin could have drawn some of those moderates back if she had
been allowed to compare her lack of experience with his, ask about people in
his address book, bring to light his close association throughout his life
with Marxists and communists and his very heavy socialist leanings. He was
once, after all, a lawyer for ACORN, and now that ACORN is on the
government's Shit List, shining a light on Obama's work there would show his
socialist agenda. Then there's the Service Employees International Union,
huge donor and beneficiary of much of the stuff that Obama is doing.
SOMEBODY should have been talking about this stuff in the media, and the
McCain campaign should have turned Palin loose on this stuff. This is far
more important than Bristol's baby, or who Trig's mother really is. The
media got lost watching the shiny thing while truly serious stuff went on.
The people that started with McCain and supposedly left because of Palin
would likely have stayed if Palin (or the media) went after the huge red
flags in Obama's life and exposed them to a national audience. If the media
had spent half the time on Obama as it spent on Bristol Palin, I think Obama
would not be Prez today.
JoeSpareBedroom
At least we can have a sense of humor about the slime, and do whatever is
necessary to not let anyone forget what they did. :-)
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c197/ancientangler/RepublicanHypocrites.jpg?t=1259108741
JoeSpareBedroom
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>
> "Hachiroku ????" <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote in message
> news:pan.2009.11.24....@e86.GTS...
>> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 14:34:41 -0800, Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I don't think Palin ran the McCain Train off the rails. I think he was
>>> off
>>> the rails already.
>>
>> She didn't help with the moderates, and certainly drove the Liberals
>> screaming and running (but, that doesn't take much, does it?)
>>
>> I know a lot of people who would have voted for McCain, but ended up
>> voting for the Teleprompter-In-Chief because of Palin.
>>
>>
>>
>
> I don't know anybody that didn't vote McCain because Palin was on the
> ticket, except JoeShitForBrains who claims he didn't vote FOR Obama, he
> just voted AGAINST Palin.
Why is it that I have yet to meet one single person face-to-face who is not
disgusted with the fact that the Republican party allowed Palin to run for
VP? It seems like people are ashamed to admit that, except in venues like
this one where nobody can see their faces.
Jeff Strickland
"JoeSpareBedroom" <news...@frontiernet.net> wrote in message
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I guess there needs to be somebody that is disgusted, then you have to stand
face to face with them. Right now, you have to stand in front of a mirror
for your wildest dream to come true. Palin is small potatos when it comes to
reasons why Republicans could not carry the election.
But, your question is beside the point. Again. Why do even bother?
JoeSpareBedroom
What other reasons, besides Palin?
Hachiroku ハチロク
>> Yes I agree......Unfortunatly until these candidates get in there & see
>> what's really going on I am always skeptical about anything they say in
>> campaigns, it's a hard judgement to make but I think when they get into
>> the office & REALITY smacks them in the face all that rhetoric &
>> ideologoly they spewed goes right out the window. But I do agree again,
>> so far things have been very disappointing, at least in my eyes.
>>
>>
> That's true. If the box says Sony, you don't expect an Emerson inside ...
> It seems people have not opened the new TV yet, and they are sitting
> around staring at the box without opening it and looking inside.
LOL! That just about sums it up! The packaging was so good, they're afraid
to look at the product too closely!
Jeff Strickland
>>
>> I guess there needs to be somebody that is disgusted, then you have to
>> stand face to face with them. Right now, you have to stand in front of a
>> mirror for your wildest dream to come true. Palin is small potatos when
>> it comes to reasons why Republicans could not carry the election.
>
> What other reasons, besides Palin?
>
LOTS OF THEM.
The main reason he was the nominee is Open Primaries. He was the last man
standing thanks to Open Primaries.
He's not the Republican that the Republicans chose, he's the Republican that
the Independents and Democrates chose in Open Primary States. The Republican
that the Republicans would have selected if primaries were closed would have
been Huckabee or Romney, but not McCain. McCain was not the candidate that
Republicans selected, he's the candidate that non-Republicans selected. I
did not vote for McCain in my state's primaries. Most Republicans did not
vote for McCain in their primaries. Most of the voters in the early
primaries that went for McCain were cross-party voters in Open Primaries.
That's a fact. He got most of the votes in Open Primary states. He got most
of his votes there too.
His campaign was not doing well even before he picked Palin. Then after he
picked Palin, he locked her away from the very people she would attract to
the ticket. She did not repel anybody, she only failed to attract the voters
that McCain needed -- but she failed because the McCain Campaign locked her
in a closet.
Her interview with Couric went poorly, that's true. But if she had
interviewed with an anchor/commentator that actually liked the McCain
Campaign, it is clear that she would have fared better than she did with
Couric.
I'm confused that you would ask such a stupid question. After all, you read
the book.
Jeff Strickland
"Hachiroku ????" <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote in message
JoeSpareBedroom
I suspect that her followers would've been challenged to actually find their
voting places, if these people are any indication.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKKKgua7wQk
> Her interview with Couric went poorly, that's true. But if she had
> interviewed with an anchor/commentator that actually liked the McCain
> Campaign, it is clear that she would have fared better than she did with
> Couric.
If a commentator liked the McCain campaign, how would the interview have
been different? Seems to me Couric asked reasonable questions. Shouldn't all
candidates have to field the same questions during interviews, just as they
do during moderated debates?
ByTor
Yah, yer right, but like I said I don't hold these guys to high
standards in the *moral* area.
I'll tell ya what though, when I seen that hooker that Spitzer was
involved with I was like DAMN good for that fucker.....I'd like to spend
about an hour or 2 with her myself........(LMAO)
ByTor
The economic issue killed him to......People wanted a *spender* in chief
instead when that bomb dropped on us, definately not a *cutting* taxes
type politician.
> >> Sarah Palin could have asked these kinds of questions, and _maybe_
that
> >> would have helped right the McCain Train and put it back on the rails.
> >> Maybe.
> >
> > Well if I remember from the campaign she was the one, or used as a
> > vehicle, in expressing these issues....her palling around with
> > terrorists comment was a BAD move I think, the left media were given a
> > BOMB to exploit her on......sad.
> >
>
> This highlights a BIG problem with the media. Instead of flying to her
> backyard to see if Russia was visible on the horizon, they should have
> wondered if Obama really was palling around with America Haters.
Exactly.......As I said it gave them more ammunition to discredit McCain
even more.
> >> Obama is like a bait-and-switch at the TV Store. They advertise a 60"
> >> Sony
> >> flat screen, but there's only one. Everybody else gets a 13" Emerson. Or
> >> worse, they advertise the Sony but don't have any, don't intend to ever
> >> have
> >> any.
> >
> > Yes I agree......Unfortunatly until these candidates get in there & see
> > what's really going on I am always skeptical about anything they say in
> > campaigns, it's a hard judgement to make but I think when they get into
> > the office & REALITY smacks them in the face all that rhetoric &
> > ideologoly they spewed goes right out the window. But I do agree again,
> > so far things have been very disappointing, at least in my eyes.
> >
>
> That's true. If the box says Sony, you don't expect an Emerson inside ... It
> seems people have not opened the new TV yet, and they are sitting around
> staring at the box without opening it and looking inside.
>
> But the media's Job One is to open the f---ing box and discover somebody put
> the Emerson in it instead of the Sony. Instead, the media is crowded around
> a piece of crap that belongs in the garage, and they marvel at the leather
> couch and exclaim how good the picture looks, and don't seem to notice they
> aren't watching a Sony.
>
> This is truly the Smoke & Mirrors Administration.
Yep, exactly....And it's a shame because he may have actually been able
to do some good.
JoeSpareBedroom
He was most likely sacrificed for various reasons.
Jeff Strickland
Couric's hostility was evident to everyone but you, apparently.
ByTor
People forget though that they put these politicians in such high regard
& standards its pathetic, they sit at home with wipers installed on
their moniters & jerk off just like everybody else.......(LMAO)
mrbawana2u
> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:30:49 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom"
>
> >No politician is sincere when they inject religion into politics.
>
>
> but you make them continually....who is surprised????
I'm not.
JoeShitEater is dumber than most lib-turd-tards.
mrbawana2u
> [...]
> I know a lot of people who would have voted for McCain, but ended up
> voting for the Teleprompter-In-Chief because of Palin.
So, you know a lot of dumb motherfuckers, eh retard?
Birds of a feather...
mrbawana2u
wrote:
> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrj...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:hehrbd$kmm$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Hachiroku ????" <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote in message
> >news:pan.2009.11.24....@e86.GTS...
> >> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 14:34:41 -0800, Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> >>> I don't think Palin ran the McCain Train off the rails. I think he was
> >>> off
> >>> the rails already.
>
> >> She didn't help with the moderates, and certainly drove the Liberals
> >> screaming and running (but, that doesn't take much, does it?)
>
> >> I know a lot of people who would have voted for McCain, but ended up
> >> voting for the Teleprompter-In-Chief because of Palin.
>
> > I don't know anybody that didn't vote McCain because Palin was on the
> > ticket, except JoeShitForBrains who claims he didn't vote FOR Obama, he
> > just voted AGAINST Palin.
>
> Why is it that I have yet to meet one single person face-to-face who is not
You, JoeShitEater.
mrbawana2u
wrote:
> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrj...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:hei0gp$ed$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
>
>
>
>
> > "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstr...@frontiernet.net> wrote in message
> >news:DT_Om.39781$X01....@newsfe07.iad...
> >> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrj...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >>news:hehrbd$kmm$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> >>> "Hachiroku ????" <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote in message
> >>>news:pan.2009.11.24....@e86.GTS...
> >>>> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 14:34:41 -0800, Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> >>>>> I don't think Palin ran the McCain Train off the rails. I think he was
> >>>>> off
> >>>>> the rails already.
>
> >>>> She didn't help with the moderates, and certainly drove the Liberals
> >>>> screaming and running (but, that doesn't take much, does it?)
>
> >>>> I know a lot of people who would have voted for McCain, but ended up
> >>>> voting for the Teleprompter-In-Chief because of Palin.
>
> >>> I don't know anybody that didn't vote McCain because Palin was on the
> >>> ticket, except JoeShitForBrains who claims he didn't vote FOR Obama, he
> >>> just voted AGAINST Palin.
>
> >> Why is it that I have yet to meet one single person face-to-face who is
> >> not disgusted with the fact that the Republican party allowed Palin to
> >> run for VP? It seems like people are ashamed to admit that, except in
> >> venues like this one where nobody can see their faces.
>
> > I guess there needs to be somebody that is disgusted, then you have to
> > stand face to face with them. Right now, you have to stand in front of a
> > mirror for your wildest dream to come true. Palin is small potatos when it
> > comes to reasons why Republicans could not carry the election.
>
> What other reasons, besides Palin?
Who wants to try and educate the retard, JoeShitEater?
Who wants to waste their time trying to educate the retard,
JoeShitEater?
mrbawana2u
wrote:
> "ByTor" <By...@snowdog.com> wrote in message
>
> news:0153a40f$0$24635$c3e...@news.astraweb.com...
>
>
>
> > newstr...@frontiernet.net says...
>
> >> "ByTor" <By...@snowdog.com> wrote in message
> >>news:007dad97$0$7061$c3e...@news.astraweb.com...
> >> > newstr...@frontiernet.net
>
> > Yah, yer right, but like I said I don't hold these guys to high
> > standards in the *moral* area.
>
> > I'll tell ya what though, when I seen that hooker that Spitzer was
> > involved with I was like DAMN good for that fucker.....I'd like to spend
> > about an hour or 2 with her myself........(LMAO)
>
> He was most likely sacrificed for various reasons.
Like what, JoeTheRetard?
Jeff Strickland
"mrbawana2u" <mrbaw...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:8ad7cb57-5736-4d94...@d21g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
<JS>
Do me a favor. When I'm talking to JoeShitForBrains, do not butt in.
You are no better than he is if that's the way you are goning to address
him. You're right, he's a complete idiot. Actually, complete idiots are
pleasant by comparison but I digress. JoeShitForBrains adds little to no
value to any discussion, and your comments are the same -- little to no
value. I happen to agree with you, but if there is no valuable discourse
then you're wasting keystrokes.
Do me another favor, get off of Google Groups.
</JS>
Hachiroku ハチロク
I'm sorry. Up your *what*, you say?
Yeah. I do know a lot of dumb motherfuckers. The ones I mentioned in my
post were Liberals who would have voted for McCain without Palin.
They aren't walking around in a daze like you. They actually think.
Hachiroku ハチロク
>>
>> What other reasons, besides Palin?
>
> Who wants to try and educate the retard, JoeShitEater? Who wants to waste
> their time trying to educate the retard, JoeShitEater?
Nobody. Probably explains why you're such an idiot.
What's the weather like in your section of Pennsylvania? I've never been
to that part. How far from King of Prussia are you?
Hachiroku ハチロク
>> What other reasons, besides Palin?
>>
>>
> LOTS OF THEM.
>
> The main reason he was the nominee is Open Primaries. He was the last man
> standing thanks to Open Primaries.
I know Glenn Beck advocates arguing with idiots, but this one is below
that, probably hovering just below Imbecile. Save your bits...
Hachiroku ハチロク
>> His campaign was not doing well even before he picked Palin. Then after
>> he picked Palin, he locked her away from the very people she would
>> attract to the ticket. She did not repel anybody, she only failed to
>> attract the voters that McCain needed -- but she failed because the
>> McCain Campaign locked her in a closet.
>>
>>
> I suspect that her followers would've been challenged to actually find
> their voting places, if these people are any indication.
Why's that? Plenty of them were able to check off "Obama" on the ballot.
Some of them were actually still alive, and not fictional characters!
Jeff Strickland
"Hachiroku ????" <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote in message
What JoeShitForBrains seems to forget is that Obama didn't win by enough
votes to go around pissing anybody off, especially by asserting those that
voted against him are too stupid to find the polling place.
Hachiroku ハチロク
>
> Do me another favor, get off of Google Groups.
That requires getting a newsreader, setting it up, possibly paying for it,
learning how to configure a server, learning how to use the software, ect.
Or, he could get Linux and get a free newsreader. But that means having to
learn a whole new Operating System. This guy seems to have trouble enough
not bumping into walls, parked cars, etc.
Jeff Strickland
"Hachiroku ????" <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote in message
None of those problems are mine though, so I don't really care.
I figured it out, I don't care what his problems are.
Hachiroku ハチロク
You should. He's probably going to be able to qualify for Disability and
then be living off our backs.
Jeff Strickland
Disability? Why? Is he brain dead?
Hachiroku ハチロク
>
> "Hachiroku ????" <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote in message
> news:pan.2009.11.25....@e86.GTS...
>> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:28:49 -0800, Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>
>>
>>> "Hachiroku ????" <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote in message
>>> news:pan.2009.11.25....@e86.GTS...
>>>> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:03:06 -0800, Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Do me another favor, get off of Google Groups.
>>>>
>>>> That requires getting a newsreader, setting it up, possibly paying for
>>>> it, learning how to configure a server, learning how to use the
>>>> software, ect. Or, he could get Linux and get a free newsreader. But
>>>> that means having to learn a whole new Operating System. This guy
>>>> seems to have trouble enough not bumping into walls, parked cars, etc.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> None of those problems are mine though, so I don't really care.
>>>
>>> I figured it out, I don't care what his problems are.
>>
>> You should. He's probably going to be able to qualify for Disability and
>> then be living off our backs.
>>
>>
>>
>>
> Disability? Why? Is he brain dead?
Pretty close...
JoeSpareBedroom
You really need to read more. A LOT MORE.
JoeSpareBedroom
You forgot to answer the question, which was a setup you arranged for
yourself.
ByTor
Why's that? Spitzer did what he did and as usual any opposition to him
will latch on to a scandal to gain momentum for their own personal gain.
Scandals are good when another wants to step in their place, or, try &
use it to discredit an issue they are targeting........If by I need to
read more you mean his attack on AIG, wall street, and the Bush
administrations role in the meltdown, I already know about it. I was
just merely making a joke that most of these guys there in Washington
have many skeletons in their closet, but Spitzer allowed himself to fall
victim to *pussy* when he was on the verge of doing something good & it
was scaring a lot of people involved in their practices that led to this
meltdown.
mrbawana2u
> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 18:57:36 -0800, mrbawana2u wrote:
>
> >> What other reasons, besides Palin?
>
> > Who wants to try and educate the retard, JoeShitEater? Who wants to waste
> > their time trying to educate the retard, JoeShitEater?
>
Yeah, lib-turds, like JoeShitEater are incapable of learning.
>
> What's the weather like in your section of Pennsylvania?
Cold and rainy. Glo-bull warming, don't cha know?
> I've never been
> to that part.
Get out of your pod, fucktard.
> How far from King of Prussia are you?
A couple miles.
mrbawana2u
> "mrbawana2u" <mrbawan...@gmail.com> wrote in message
I don't do favors for fucktards, fucktard.
> When I'm talking to JoeShitForBrains, do not butt in.
New to usenet, moron?
> [duh,duh,duh]
> Do me another favor, get off of Google Groups.
I don't do favors for fucktards, fucktard.
mrbawana2u
> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 18:51:44 -0800, mrbawana2u wrote:
> > On Nov 24, 6:33 pm, Hachiroku ハチロク <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote:
> >> [...]
> >> I know a lot of people who would have voted for McCain, but ended up
> >> voting for the Teleprompter-In-Chief because of Palin.
>
> > So, you know a lot of dumb motherfuckers, eh retard? Birds of a feather...
>
And pathetic too, cornholer.
> Yeah. I do know a lot of dumb motherfuckers.
Birds of a feather, moron.
> The ones I mentioned in my
> post were Liberals who would have voted for McCain without Palin.
Liar. No such animal.
> They aren't walking around in a daze like you. They actually think.
What compels you retards to make shit up?
mrbawana2u
> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:03:06 -0800, Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> > Do me another favor, get off of Google Groups.
>
I don't do favors for fucktards.
That leaves you out, tard
Jeff Strickland
Perhaps the interviewer would have asked questions that allowed Palin to
talk about her relative experience vs. that of Obama. Maybe she could have
exposed to the audience that Obama went to church for 20+ years where the
pastor is anti-American, how Obama launched his political career from the
livingroom of a man that once bombed a federal building and his only regret
is that he didn't bomb it again.
Couric asked how Palin felt when she discovered her teen-age daughter was
pregnant and unmarried, criticised Palin for stating that she could see
Russia from her office window, and crap like that while Obama was on the
stump counting 57 states and nobody talked about that in Couric's world.
You're arguing that aerodymanics is flawed science and the Wright Brothers
first flight was filmed in a warehouse. Why do you do that?
Jeff Strickland
New to usenet, moron?
> [duh,duh,duh]
<JS>
You're brilliant! How in the world will I ever regain my self esteem after a
crushing blow like that?
Rookie.
</JS>
JoeSpareBedroom
That's because unlike you, smart people can tell the difference between
"honest mistake" (Obama) and "just plain stupid" (Palin).
Jeff Strickland
>
>
> That's because unlike you, smart people can tell the difference between
> "honest mistake" (Obama) and "just plain stupid" (Palin).
>
Honest mistake!? 20+ years is not an honest mistake. Having Bill Ayers on
your Christmas Card list is not an honest mistake. Growing up in an
environment where Valarie Jarrett's grandfather fills you with Marxist
ideals is not an honest mistake. Having a good friend like Van Jones -- a
free enterprise hating communist, WITH A MEMBERSHIP CARD -- is not a
mistake. Having a wife that has never in her adult life been proud to call
herself an American is NOT A MISTAKE.
Mike Hunter
now are sorry they did, Joe$#itForBrains. LOL
"Joe$#itForBrains" <news...@frontiernet.net> wrote in message
news:DT_Om.39781$X01....@newsfe07.iad...
> "Jeff Strickland" <crwl...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:hehrbd$kmm$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
Mike Hunter
mistake" not "just plain stupid" And you wonder why we refer to you as
Joe$#itForBrains. LOL
"Joe$#itForBrains" <news...@frontiernet.net> wrote in message
news:q0dPm.78358$Wf2....@newsfe23.iad...
Mike Hunter
the Dims in Congress, who are now driving the country into the ground.
LOL
"Joe$#itForBrains" <news...@frontiernet.net> wrote in message
news:lw4Pm.39844$X01....@newsfe07.iad...
> "ByTor" <By...@snowdog.com> wrote in message
> news:0153a6e5$1$24635$c3e...@news.astraweb.com...
>> In article <UC0Pm.39832$X01....@newsfe07.iad>,
>> news...@frontiernet.net says...
>> People forget though that they put these politicians in such high regard
Hachiroku ハチロク
>
>> The ones I mentioned in my
>> post were Liberals who would have voted for McCain without Palin.
>
> Liar. No such animal.
Give the computer back to your father, get back to school, learn a few
things and then come back and debate with the Big Dogs, OK?
A statement like that shows you really don't know shit. Now, go over to
moveon.org and get some more talking points. Bye!
Hachiroku ハチロク
> You're brilliant! How in the world will I ever regain my self esteem after
> a crushing blow like that?
>
> Rookie.
Shhh...he thinks he's being original.
He'll get tired soon, jump into his Dr Dentons and have sweet dreams of
ruling usenet.
From Google Groups.
Hachiroku ハチロク
Who asked you to, meatwad?
Why don't you go out and play in the middle of traffic with a loaded
pistol?
BTW, last time I heard Tard I was using a 300 baud modem.
Try being original, if the skin around your pea brain doesn't burst.
Lamer.
Hachiroku ハチロク
> In article <UC0Pm.39832$X01....@newsfe07.iad>, news...@frontiernet.net
> says...
>>
>> "ByTor" <By...@snowdog.com> wrote in message
>> news:0153a40f$0$24635$c3e...@news.astraweb.com...
>> > In article <oR_Om.39780$X01....@newsfe07.iad>,
>> > news...@frontiernet.net says...
>> >>
>> >> "ByTor" <By...@snowdog.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:007dad97$0$7061$c3e...@news.astraweb.com...
>> >> > In article <o8ZOm.39776$X01...@newsfe07.iad>,
>> >> > news...@frontiernet.net
>> >> > says...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "ByTor" <By...@snowdog.com> wrote in message
> People forget though that they put these politicians in such high regard &
> standards its pathetic, they sit at home with wipers installed on their
> moniters & jerk off just like everybody else.......(LMAO)
*I* certainly do NOT put ANY politicians in high regard, and I...
er, wait...never mind....
Bawana
By trying to outsmart JoeShitEater, fucktard?
Looks like you're playing catch-up.
Bawana
> On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 04:46:52 -0800,mrbawana2uwrote:
>
> >> The ones I mentioned in my
> >> post were Liberals who would have voted for McCain without Palin.
>
> > Liar. No such animal.
>
What compels you lib-turd-fucktards to make shit up?
Bawana
> On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 04:50:09 -0800,mrbawana2uwrote:
> > On Nov 24, 10:26 pm, Hachiroku ハチロク <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote:
> >> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:03:06 -0800, Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> >> > Do me another favor, get off of Google Groups.
>
> >> That requires getting a newsreader, [...]
>
> > I don't do favors for fucktards.
>
> Who asked you to, meatwad?
Read and discover, you pathetic waste of O2.
> Why don't you go out and play in the middle of traffic with a loaded
> pistol?
Why don't you focus on something you have control over, fucktard?
Like that pretty dress you'll be wearing for the boys nite out.
> BTW, last time I heard Tard [...]
They were talking to you?
Yesterday? I bet you heard "cornholer" too, eh tard?
Hachiroku ハチロク
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Lib-turd?!?!?
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Hey, get this, eveyone! He called me a Lib-turd!!!!
BWAHAHAHAHAhAHA!
Add lack of reading comprehension to your list of foibles.
Liberal! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!
Now go back, read thru the posts, and see if you can come back a bit
better informed next time.
Here's a hint: we read from left TO right in this country...
Maybe if you got a real newsreader, and a real news server, you wouldn't
be half as confused as you are now.
I know Google Groups can be difficult to navigate, but try hard and I
think you'll understand it...sooner or later.
Hachiroku ハチロク
Oh, gee! I'm shocked! Shocked, I tell you!
Look, I liked the 80's too, but these lames are long gone.
I know it's hard to be original when you can't think your way out of a
paper bag, but give it a shot, OK? In your case the headache might last
for only 4 or 5 days.
Now, give us another lame, O Great One...
Oooh! Oooh! Here's one you'll like:
"Smooth Move, exlax!' There! There's an original one for you!
Whew....
ByTor
says...
Keep going, finish your sentence.......;0)
Hachiroku ハチロク
>>
>> *I* certainly do NOT put ANY politicians in high regard, and I...
>>
>> er, wait...never mind....
>
> Keep going, finish your sentence.......;0)
Had to wipe the screen...
I have too much 'fun' here and other groups to be bothered with Porn.
I think the worst thing that ever happened was when someone put porn on
the internet.
However, I do remember the days when you had to *HUNT* for it, and then go
into a 'hidden' directory and download it, rather than having it thrust
into your face every time you click the wrong link...
Or mistakenly type in 'whitehouse.com'