OT: How did it get here???
dizzy
Astronomers have spotted what is the most powerful supernova
discovered thus far. It is estimated that the supernova is 240
million light-years from Earth.
http://www.nature.com/news/2007/070508/full/070508-1.html
What I can't understand is, how did the light get here from that far
away, if the universe is less than 10,000 years old?!?
Digging into this further, it seems to be nigh-well impossible to find
an astonomer who does not believe that the universe is BILLIONS of
years old!
Are all these astronomers wrong? Are they all evil? Will they all be
punished on judgement day?
Please, good Christians, help answer these questions!
Reasoned Insanity
"dizzy" <di...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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Let see...God created Adam and Eve as people who were in their late
teens/early twenties. I think He wouldn't have a problem doing that with
stars and other things as well.
Cathy F.
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> In article <ef1243tagh7ldbmap...@4ax.com>,
> What is the connection to Christians?
He was needling a certain ng-er.
Cathy
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Jeff
"dizzy" <di...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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When God created his Universe, he created the light so that it looks like it
was created 13,000,000,000 years ago so that we can take wonder in his
works.
Jeff
Jeff
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> He was needling a certain ng-er.
What is a ng-e? engineer?
> Cathy
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Jeff Strickland
"dbu.," <question*ma...@einp.com> wrote in message
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> In article <ef1243tagh7ldbmap...@4ax.com>,
> dizzy <di...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
>> discovered thus far. It is estimated that the supernova is 240
>> million light-years from Earth.
>>
>> http://www.nature.com/news/2007/070508/full/070508-1.html
>>
>> What I can't understand is, how did the light get here from that far
>> away, if the universe is less than 10,000 years old?!?
>>
Where did this number come from? The universe is far older than 10,000
years. Mankind is in the 10,000-year old range, but the universe is far
older than mankind.
>> Digging into this further, it seems to be nigh-well impossible to find
>> an astonomer who does not believe that the universe is BILLIONS of
>> years old!
>>
>> Are all these astronomers wrong? Are they all evil? Will they all be
>> punished on judgement day?
>>
>> Please, good Christians, help answer these questions!
>
> What is your point? The universe is far older than 10 k years old.
> What is the connection to Christians?
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n5hsr
He's needling all the newsgroupers that happen to believe the Bible. Most
of which can't see his messages or ignore them because they all contain the
same diatribe. Or in Dizziot's case, drivel.
Charles of Schaumburg
dizzy
>Mankind is in the 10,000-year old range
LOL
dizzy
>Mankind is in the 10,000-year old range
Hmm... According to the below article:
"The most widely accepted view among current anthropologists is that
Homo sapiens originated in the African savanna around 200,000 BP
(Before Present)"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human
Are most anthropologists evil? Will they be punished on judgement
day?
Inquiring minds want to know!
badgolferman
How do THEY know Homo Sapiens is 200,000 years old? How does anyone
know how old the universe is? Why do acknowledged experts change their
agreed upon truths all the time? Since when did Wikipedia become a
source of truth? For all I know you may be the one who wrote that
article.
Jeff
"badgolferman" <REMOVETHISb...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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The answers to these questions are available at the American Museum of
Natural History in NYC. You can also try their web site www.amnh.org.
Another option is to read the actual reference in the Wikipedia article.
Finally, read Stephen Hawkings books.
Jeff
Sean Elkins
dizzy <di...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
I don't know what your point is here. AFAIK, nowhere in the Bible does
it specify an age of the universe. I do know there have been efforts to
fix a date, most notably those of Bishop Usher, but there is absolutely
no requirement to accept his conjecture and still be a Christian.
I consider myself a Christian, and I also have a degree in geology: I
feel comfortable that I have a better grasp on the evidence for the
accepted age of the earth than most posters to this newsgroup. I'm
perfectly happy accepting the earth as being 4.6 billion years old and
still accepting that there is a creator.
On second thought perhaps I do see your point: you're trying to paint
Christians as ignorant. Why must you attack the beliefs of a religion?
Or, more to the point, do you have plans for a regular series where you
needle believers in the other major faiths as well?
Or is it just Christians you hate?
badgolferman
> Or is it just Christians you hate?
Bingo!
mack
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All this back and forth about the age of the world, or minkind, is about at
productive as trying to determine the number of angels who can sit or stand
on the head of a pin......
and reminds me of the old story of the radio talk show, where an eminent
scientist had just mentioned that the earth would die and grow cold at a
certain time. There was a phone call from a listener, an elderly lady, who
asked "When you guest talked about the end of the world , did he say it
would happen in a hundred Million years, or a hundred Billion years?"
The host relayed the question to t he guest, who replied "I said 100 Billion
years ...with a B."
The old lady sighed and said "OH, Thank God!!!!":
dizzy
>I consider myself a Christian, and I also have a degree in geology: I
>feel comfortable that I have a better grasp on the evidence for the
>accepted age of the earth than most posters to this newsgroup. I'm
>perfectly happy accepting the earth as being 4.6 billion years old and
>still accepting that there is a creator.
See, I knew that there were some Christians out there who actually
have a brain.
>On second thought perhaps I do see your point: you're trying to paint
>Christians as ignorant. Why must you attack the beliefs of a religion?
There are some in this very group who think that you cannot be a
Christian if you accept things like evolution and the Earth being
billions of years old. There are some who will call you "the son of
the devil" if you doubt creationism.
There are some, believe it or not, who HONESTLY BELIEVE that mankind
shared the planet with living dinosaurs, within the last 10,000 years!
Amazing, huh?
dizzy
>Or is it just Christians you hate?
Ironically, it is those who claim to be Christians, who are the most
hateful people. Not to mention selfish and, often, downright evil.
Ask some of these "Christians" in here if they care one iota about
innocent Muslims being slaughtered in Iraq.
Jeff
"dizzy" <di...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
> Sean Elkins wrote:
>
>>Or is it just Christians you hate?
>
> Ironically, it is those who claim to be Christians, who are the most
> hateful people. Not to mention selfish and, often, downright evil.
Actually, this type of hatred seems to be shared by many faiths for people
of other faiths.
A lot of Muslims seem to hate Christians and Jews, there are a lot of
religious Jews who Muslims, and a lot of Christians who Muslims and
Christians.
IMHO, this is not the way God would want it.
> Ask some of these "Christians" in here if they care one iota about
> innocent Muslims being slaughtered in Iraq.
Or vice versa.
Jeff
Jeff
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> "dizzy" <di...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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>> Sean Elkins wrote:
>>
>>>Or is it just Christians you hate?
>>
>> Ironically, it is those who claim to be Christians, who are the most
>> hateful people. Not to mention selfish and, often, downright evil.
>
> Actually, this type of hatred seems to be shared by many faiths for people
> of other faiths.
>
> A lot of Muslims seem to hate Christians and Jews, there are a lot of
> religious Jews who Muslims, and a lot of Christians who Muslims and
> Christians.
I meant to say A lot of Muslims seem to hate Christians and Jews, there are
a lot of
religious Jews who hate Muslims, and a lot of Christians who hate Muslims
and Christians.
Unfortunately, a more accurate statement is probably, "A lot of Muslims seem
to hate Christians, Jews and Muslims of other branches of Islam, there are
a lot of religious Jews who hate Muslims and Christians, and a lot of
Christians who hate Muslims and Jews."
And more succintly, a people seem to hate people not like them.
Jeff
Cathy F.
"dizzy" <di...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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>>Or is it just Christians you hate?
>
> Ironically, it is those who claim to be Christians, who are the most
> hateful people. Not to mention selfish and, often, downright evil.
Edit this by inserting "some of" in between "is" and "those" in your first
sentence, and *then* I think you have an accurate statement.
Cathy
dizzy
>"dizzy" <di...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
>>
>> Sean Elkins wrote:
>>
>>>Or is it just Christians you hate?
>>
>> Ironically, it is those who claim to be Christians, who are the most
>> hateful people. Not to mention selfish and, often, downright evil.
>
>Edit this by inserting "some of" in between "is" and "those" in your first
>sentence, and *then* I think you have an accurate statement.
Well, what I wrote was "those who claim to be Christians", not
"Christians". I could have been more clear, but the people I'm
talking about are not really Christians, they just claim to be.
REAL Christians are not greedy, not selfish, not liars, not assholes,
not war-mongers, etc.
dizzy
>"dizzy" <di...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
>>
>> Sean Elkins wrote:
>>
>>>Or is it just Christians you hate?
>>
>> Ironically, it is those who claim to be Christians, who are the most
>> hateful people. Not to mention selfish and, often, downright evil.
>
>Actually, this type of hatred seems to be shared by many faiths for people
>of other faiths.
No doubt. Generally, it's the religious fundamentalists that are
causing the problems. Ironically, it seems that the more of a fundie
a person is, the more of an evil bastard they are.
>IMHO, this is not the way God would want it.
I sure you're right about that.
badgolferman
> Cathy F. wrote:
>
> >"dizzy" <di...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
> > >
> >> Sean Elkins wrote:
> > >
> > > > Or is it just Christians you hate?
> > >
> >> Ironically, it is those who claim to be Christians, who are the
> most >> hateful people. Not to mention selfish and, often, downright
> evil.
> >
> > Edit this by inserting "some of" in between "is" and "those" in
> > your first sentence, and then I think you have an accurate
> > statement.
>
> Well, what I wrote was "those who claim to be Christians", not
> "Christians". I could have been more clear, but the people I'm
> talking about are not really Christians, they just claim to be.
>
> REAL Christians are not greedy, not selfish, not liars, not assholes,
> not war-mongers, etc.
Who are real Christians according to you? Name a few that approach
your standards.
Scott in Florida
> Ironically, it seems that the more of a fundie
>a person is, the more of an evil bastard they are.
Jesus Christ was a fundie......
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Scott in Florida
Scott in Florida
>REAL Christians are not greedy, not selfish, not liars, not assholes,
>not war-mongers, etc.
How do you know?
--
Scott in Florida
dizzy
>On Thu, 10 May 2007 22:30:05 GMT, dizzy <di...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
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>> Ironically, it seems that the more of a fundie
>>a person is, the more of an evil bastard they are.
>
>Jesus Christ was a fundie......
Not really. In his day, he was a radical.
Scott in Florida
In his day he was a fundie......
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Scott in Florida
tak
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Scott in Florida
wrote:
cause all you atheist libs said so....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundie
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Scott in Florida
n5hsr
So he's saying they're not LIEberals?
Charles of Schaumburg
Cathy F.
"dizzy" <di...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
> Cathy F. wrote:
>
>>"dizzy" <di...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
>>>
>>> Sean Elkins wrote:
>>>
>>>>Or is it just Christians you hate?
>>>
>>> Ironically, it is those who claim to be Christians, who are the most
>>> hateful people. Not to mention selfish and, often, downright evil.
>>
>>Edit this by inserting "some of" in between "is" and "those" in your first
>>sentence, and *then* I think you have an accurate statement.
>
> Well, what I wrote was "those who claim to be Christians", not
> "Christians". I could have been more clear, but the people I'm
> talking about are not really Christians, they just claim to be.
Ah, okay; now I get what your meaning was - emphasis on "claim".
Cathy
Scott in Florida
<cl...@adelphiadotdedot.net> wrote:
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>"dizzy" <di...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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>> Cathy F. wrote:
>>
>>>"dizzy" <di...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>
>>>> Sean Elkins wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Or is it just Christians you hate?
>>>>
>>>> Ironically, it is those who claim to be Christians, who are the most
>>>> hateful people. Not to mention selfish and, often, downright evil.
>>>
>>>Edit this by inserting "some of" in between "is" and "those" in your first
>>>sentence, and *then* I think you have an accurate statement.
>>
>> Well, what I wrote was "those who claim to be Christians", not
>> "Christians". I could have been more clear, but the people I'm
>> talking about are not really Christians, they just claim to be.
>
>Ah, okay; now I get what your meaning was - emphasis on "claim".
>
>Cathy
>
>
That makes it clear to you?
Dizzy talking about Christians is like Communists talking about
freedom.....
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Scott in Florida
Mike Hunter
as DIZZY?
mike
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> On Fri, 11 May 2007 00:31:32 GMT, "tak" <tak...@frontiernet.net>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Scott in Florida" <askify...@mindspring.net> wrote in message
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>>> On Thu, 10 May 2007 23:51:41 GMT, dizzy <di...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Scott in Florida wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Thu, 10 May 2007 22:30:05 GMT, dizzy <di...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ironically, it seems that the more of a fundie
>>>>>>a person is, the more of an evil bastard they are.
>>>
dizzy
>On Thu, 10 May 2007 23:51:41 GMT, dizzy <di...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
>>Scott in Florida wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 10 May 2007 22:30:05 GMT, dizzy <di...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ironically, it seems that the more of a fundie
>>>>a person is, the more of an evil bastard they are.
>>>
>>>Jesus Christ was a fundie......
>>
>>Not really. In his day, he was a radical.
>
>In his day he was a fundie......
Wrong! He directly contradicted many of the old teachings, and
acquired many enemies as a result.
dizzy
>On Thu, 10 May 2007 22:24:37 GMT, dizzy <di...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
>>REAL Christians are not greedy, not selfish, not liars, not assholes,
>>not war-mongers, etc.
>
>How do you know?
Because REAL Christians behave like Christ would have wanted them to.
Real tough to figure out, huh?
Cathy F.
How could a Jew who was the jumping-off point for a new religion be a
fundie?
Cathy
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> Scott in Florida
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dizzy
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundie
>
>Scott nailed ya again.
Wrong as usual, dumbshit.
dizzy
>Oh come on, you know he's right and YOU are wrong.
Lying ain't gonna help your case, dumbshit, just like providing a
definition of "fundie" doesn't prove that Jesus was one.
Mike Hunter
Is he trying to tell us something ;)
mike
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