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Toyota Hybrid 12V Battery, Ouch!
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sms
Aug 7, 2013, 2:28:28 PM8/7/13
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Yesterday I got a call from the spousal unit that the Camry hybrid
wouldn't start. She was 40 miles away so she called the auto club (we
tried "Better World" club for a year--big mistake, so it's back to AAA
next month.
The tow truck gets there and he can't get the vehicle started by jumping
it so it gets towed to the dealer near us. I meet the tow truck at the
dealer at 11 pm and with some difficulty he unloads the car in the
service area (you can't get it out of Park with a dead battery, but he
hooks up his jumper cables and is able to get it into neutral). The
driver's window is down so he hooks up the cables again so I can roll it
up before I leave it. I push the start button and the vehicle starts and
I drive home.
After some investigation I find that the 12V battery is a special
deep-cycle battery that the dealer charges about $500 to replace, and
that it should be replaced every five years or so (deep cycle batteries
have a shorter life than regular car batteries). But a place in southern
California sells a substitute (you need one with a vent tube) for $160.
<http://www.elearnaid.com/opd51yetopba.html>. Why a company that sells
home schooling educational materials also has a division selling hybrid
12V batteries could be another story.
I'm not sure why the 12V battery went dead. No lights were left on (in
fact you can't leave the headlights on). My only thought is that perhaps
the vehicle was not really turned off, which is an easy mistake to make
on these vehicles since there is no engine noise when stopped. But the
spousal unit says she is sure she shut it down properly.
BTW, unlike on the Prius, the Camry hybrid has no place in the engine
compartment to jump the vehicle, you must connect the jumper cables to
the battery in the trunk.
Anyway, if you buy a Toyota hybrid, be aware that besides the higher
initial cost, versus the similarly sized Corolla (versus Prius) or
regular Camry versus hybrid Camry, there are also increased maintenance
costs.
wouldn't start. She was 40 miles away so she called the auto club (we
tried "Better World" club for a year--big mistake, so it's back to AAA
next month.
The tow truck gets there and he can't get the vehicle started by jumping
it so it gets towed to the dealer near us. I meet the tow truck at the
dealer at 11 pm and with some difficulty he unloads the car in the
service area (you can't get it out of Park with a dead battery, but he
hooks up his jumper cables and is able to get it into neutral). The
driver's window is down so he hooks up the cables again so I can roll it
up before I leave it. I push the start button and the vehicle starts and
I drive home.
After some investigation I find that the 12V battery is a special
deep-cycle battery that the dealer charges about $500 to replace, and
that it should be replaced every five years or so (deep cycle batteries
have a shorter life than regular car batteries). But a place in southern
California sells a substitute (you need one with a vent tube) for $160.
<http://www.elearnaid.com/opd51yetopba.html>. Why a company that sells
home schooling educational materials also has a division selling hybrid
12V batteries could be another story.
I'm not sure why the 12V battery went dead. No lights were left on (in
fact you can't leave the headlights on). My only thought is that perhaps
the vehicle was not really turned off, which is an easy mistake to make
on these vehicles since there is no engine noise when stopped. But the
spousal unit says she is sure she shut it down properly.
BTW, unlike on the Prius, the Camry hybrid has no place in the engine
compartment to jump the vehicle, you must connect the jumper cables to
the battery in the trunk.
Anyway, if you buy a Toyota hybrid, be aware that besides the higher
initial cost, versus the similarly sized Corolla (versus Prius) or
regular Camry versus hybrid Camry, there are also increased maintenance
costs.
nm...@wt.net
Aug 7, 2013, 4:34:38 PM8/7/13
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On Wednesday, August 7, 2013 1:28:28 PM UTC-5, sms wrote:
> Anyway, if you buy a Toyota hybrid, be aware that besides the higher
>
> initial cost, versus the similarly sized Corolla (versus Prius) or
>
> regular Camry versus hybrid Camry, there are also increased maintenance
>
> costs.
Exactly my point.. When that new fangled stuff breaks, and it
> Anyway, if you buy a Toyota hybrid, be aware that besides the higher
>
> initial cost, versus the similarly sized Corolla (versus Prius) or
>
> regular Camry versus hybrid Camry, there are also increased maintenance
>
> costs.
always does sooner or later, they are usually very proud of the
replacement parts. And while you can often find generic parts
cheaper, they are usually sub-standard quality vs OEM.
Ralph Mowery
Aug 7, 2013, 5:51:26 PM8/7/13
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<nm...@wt.net> wrote in message
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> Exactly my point.. When that new fangled stuff breaks, and it
> always does sooner or later, they are usually very proud of the
> replacement parts. And while you can often find generic parts
> cheaper, they are usually sub-standard quality vs OEM.
>
Sometimes you are lucky if you can find someone that can even find the part
> always does sooner or later, they are usually very proud of the
> replacement parts. And while you can often find generic parts
> cheaper, they are usually sub-standard quality vs OEM.
>
that goes bad. I had a 91 camry that started running rough. Autozone help
page said it could be one of 3 sensors (not counting the plugs, wires and
coil that I had already replaced). As the one at the top of the list was
about $ 600 I took the car to a dealer. He kept it over 2 weeks trying to
find the problem. I sent Toyota an email and they emailed me right back a
very nice email. Turned out it was the $ 600 part but the repair person ws
tying other things first.
Many replacement car parts are out of sight. Fellow at work had a cracked
tail light and it was over $ 100 for that piece of plastic. Bet it only cost
$ 5 to make if that much.
passerby
Aug 7, 2013, 6:17:56 PM8/7/13
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replying to sms , passerby wrote:
Still have to get to the battery in the trunk. Not that I ever needed to...
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> scharf.steven wrote:
>
> BTW, unlike on the Prius, the Camry hybrid has no place in the engine
> compartment to jump the vehicle, you must connect the jumper cables to
> the battery in the trunk.
There are no battery terminals under the hood of my second-gen. Prius either.
>
> BTW, unlike on the Prius, the Camry hybrid has no place in the engine
> compartment to jump the vehicle, you must connect the jumper cables to
> the battery in the trunk.
Still have to get to the battery in the trunk. Not that I ever needed to...
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Jeff Strickland
Aug 8, 2013, 12:30:28 PM8/8/13
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"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <el...@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
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> In article <6b42$5202c794$42bb6765$43...@news.flashnewsgroups.com>,
> passerby <065b0505594b06f549...@example.com> wrote:
>
>> > BTW, unlike on the Prius, the Camry hybrid has no place in the engine
>> > compartment to jump the vehicle, you must connect the jumper cables to
>> > the battery in the trunk.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> There are no battery terminals under the hood of my second-gen. Prius
>> either.
>> Still have to get to the battery in the trunk.
>
> Ah, the sounds of the ignorant.
>
>> > BTW, unlike on the Prius, the Camry hybrid has no place in the engine
>> > compartment to jump the vehicle, you must connect the jumper cables to
>> > the battery in the trunk.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> There are no battery terminals under the hood of my second-gen. Prius
>> either.
>> Still have to get to the battery in the trunk.
>
>
> Have you ever actually read your owner's manual? No, you haven't...
>
> There are battery terminals under the hood of your second gen
> (2004-2009) Prius. You can lift the hood and hook up jumper cables just
> fine--and even better, all the jumping battery has to do is open those
> relays so the big battery can take over.
>
> You don't have a battery under the hood, that's all.
>
> And I am quite surprised that the Camry doesn't have these terminals. I
> strongly suspect it must, frankly.
I'm with you on this one, Elmo. I find it impossible to believe that there
is no battery terminal under the hood. It's easy to believe there is no
battery, but there should be a terminal post that is used for jumping the
car with another car.
SMS
Aug 8, 2013, 1:19:00 PM8/8/13
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so you need to be careful because you could end up replacing the same
part multiple times (and paying labor each time if you're not doing it
yourself).
Some of the after-market parts are acceptable. I had a radiator replaced
on a 96 Camry and the mechanic (a relative) advised against the Toyota
part. Even though it might have been slightly better, it was six times
as expensive, and for a 16 year old vehicle spending nearly $800 on a
plastic radiator that might last another 16 years, versus a $125 plastic
radiator that might last five or ten years, made no sense.
You want to stick with OEM for water pumps, timing belts, and
alternators, and also avoid jobber brake pads and oil filters (though
there are some good aftermarket ones available, they aren't cheap).
SMS
Aug 8, 2013, 1:22:42 PM8/8/13
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On 8/7/2013 2:51 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
<snip>
> Many replacement car parts are out of sight. Fellow at work had a cracked
> tail light and it was over $ 100 for that piece of plastic. Bet it only cost
> $ 5 to make if that much.
important. He could have went to a junk yard if it was a popular vehicle.
One of the end-caps to my Toyota 4Runner's roof rack rails fell off.
This is the second time it happened. The first time they were available
from Toyota for just a few bucks. The second time they no longer could
get them. My neighbor was at a junk yard looking for a part for his
Honda and I asked him to see if they had any of the end caps. They did.
$25 for a used end-cap. They said that $25 was their minimum charge and
it was not worth it to them to do the disassembly for less.
SMS
Aug 8, 2013, 1:27:14 PM8/8/13
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On 8/7/2013 3:17 PM, passerby wrote:
> There are no battery terminals under the hood of my second-gen. Prius
> either.
> Still have to get to the battery in the trunk. Not that I ever needed to...
In reading more about the Hybrid operation on Toyota, I found that the
> There are no battery terminals under the hood of my second-gen. Prius
> either.
> Still have to get to the battery in the trunk. Not that I ever needed to...
reason for the AGM deep cycle battery is because when the gasoline
engine is off, which is often, the 12V battery needs to power all stuff
like blower fans, lights, radio, navigation, 12V outlets, etc.. It's not
like a normal vehicle where these are all powered via the alternator.
Some other manufacturer's hybrids never shut the gasoline engine off.
Costco used to carry Optima Yellow-Top AGM batteries which can replace
the Panasonic AGM battery in Toyota hybrids, but they no longer do.
Personally I think that the tow truck driver made no real effort to jump
the vehicle because he wanted the long tow, but I can't prove that and
it doesn't really matter now.
SMS
Aug 8, 2013, 1:30:06 PM8/8/13
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On 8/8/2013 3:18 AM, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
<snip>
> And I am quite surprised that the Camry doesn't have these terminals. I
> strongly suspect it must, frankly.
Wrong again. See page 26 of
<https://techinfo.toyota.com/techInfoPortal/staticcontent/en/techinfo/html/prelogin/docs/camryhv.pdf>.
<snip>
> And I am quite surprised that the Camry doesn't have these terminals. I
> strongly suspect it must, frankly.
<https://techinfo.toyota.com/techInfoPortal/staticcontent/en/techinfo/html/prelogin/docs/camryhv.pdf>.
uncle_vito
Aug 8, 2013, 1:40:28 PM8/8/13
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Have a 2001 BMW 325ci with battery in the trunk and no jumper terminals
under the hood. Some cars do and some cars don't. Just jump the ones
that do not, at the battery in the trunk. Not optimum, but it works.
"SMS" <scharf...@geemail.com> wrote in message
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under the hood. Some cars do and some cars don't. Just jump the ones
that do not, at the battery in the trunk. Not optimum, but it works.
"SMS" <scharf...@geemail.com> wrote in message
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sms
Aug 8, 2013, 7:15:05 PM8/8/13
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On 8/8/2013 3:16 AM, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <ktu3kf$k0h$1...@dont-email.me>,
> nothing but provide normal 12v battery duties when the car is off, and
> when you turn the car to ready it opens the relays to allow the traction
> battery to then power the car.
>
> It's a small battery, that's all.
>
> Who told you it's a "deep cycle" battery? The dealer???
>
> The Prius battery, which is the same battery, costs $300 at the dealer
> to replace. If your dealer charges $500, he's ripping you off.
Actually, the Camry Hybrid and the Prius 12V batteries are not the same.
The Camry Hybrid 12V battery is larger, higher capacity, and more
expensive. The batteries are both AGM (Absorbed glass mat) deep cycle
batteries, just as the original Panasonic batteries are.
The aftermarket battery for the second generation Prius is the Optima
model DS46B24R (D51), part number 8171-767. $170 from
<http://www.elearnaid.com/opdsopbadifi.html>. While it will work in a
Camry, it's much lower capacity than the original battery (38AH versus
57AH). That capacity matters in a hybrid where accessories run off the
12V deep cycle AGM battery when the gasoline engine isn't running.
You really want to use the D35 (8040-218) or D75/25 (8042-218) battery
in the Camry Hybrid which are 48AH. Still less than the 57AH for the
OEM, but not as far off as the Prius battery. The D75/25 has the
terminals in the proper position, the D35 has them reversed but you can
just install the battery backwards. The problem is that neither of these
batteries have the vent hole for the vent tube, only the 8171-767 (D51)
has the vent hose connection.
The bottom line is that for the Camry Hybrid you're left with three
choices: 1) the original Panasonic battery (a custom battery sold only
by Toyota) 2) a much lower capacity Prius battery, or 3) a slightly
lower capacity Optima battery that is not properly vented. #3 is why
elearnaid states "If you are looking for a battery for a Camry hybrid.
Click here for what we recommend. Fits well and includes Toyota vent
tube connection hole." Then they refer you to the Prius battery.
> In article <ktu3kf$k0h$1...@dont-email.me>,
> sms <scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
>
>> After some investigation I find that the 12V battery is a special
>> deep-cycle battery that the dealer charges about $500 to replace
>
> It's not a deep cycle battery at all. It's a 12v battery that does
>
>> After some investigation I find that the 12V battery is a special
>> deep-cycle battery that the dealer charges about $500 to replace
>
> nothing but provide normal 12v battery duties when the car is off, and
> when you turn the car to ready it opens the relays to allow the traction
> battery to then power the car.
>
> It's a small battery, that's all.
>
> Who told you it's a "deep cycle" battery? The dealer???
>
> The Prius battery, which is the same battery, costs $300 at the dealer
> to replace. If your dealer charges $500, he's ripping you off.
Actually, the Camry Hybrid and the Prius 12V batteries are not the same.
The Camry Hybrid 12V battery is larger, higher capacity, and more
expensive. The batteries are both AGM (Absorbed glass mat) deep cycle
batteries, just as the original Panasonic batteries are.
The aftermarket battery for the second generation Prius is the Optima
model DS46B24R (D51), part number 8171-767. $170 from
<http://www.elearnaid.com/opdsopbadifi.html>. While it will work in a
Camry, it's much lower capacity than the original battery (38AH versus
57AH). That capacity matters in a hybrid where accessories run off the
12V deep cycle AGM battery when the gasoline engine isn't running.
You really want to use the D35 (8040-218) or D75/25 (8042-218) battery
in the Camry Hybrid which are 48AH. Still less than the 57AH for the
OEM, but not as far off as the Prius battery. The D75/25 has the
terminals in the proper position, the D35 has them reversed but you can
just install the battery backwards. The problem is that neither of these
batteries have the vent hole for the vent tube, only the 8171-767 (D51)
has the vent hose connection.
The bottom line is that for the Camry Hybrid you're left with three
choices: 1) the original Panasonic battery (a custom battery sold only
by Toyota) 2) a much lower capacity Prius battery, or 3) a slightly
lower capacity Optima battery that is not properly vented. #3 is why
elearnaid states "If you are looking for a battery for a Camry hybrid.
Click here for what we recommend. Fits well and includes Toyota vent
tube connection hole." Then they refer you to the Prius battery.
sms
Aug 8, 2013, 7:41:14 PM8/8/13
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On 8/8/2013 3:16 AM, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <ktu3kf$k0h$1...@dont-email.me>,
> sms <scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
>
> In article <ktu3kf$k0h$1...@dont-email.me>,
> sms <scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
>
>> After some investigation I find that the 12V battery is a special
>> deep-cycle battery that the dealer charges about $500 to replace
>
> It's not a deep cycle battery at all. It's a 12v battery that does
> nothing but provide normal 12v battery duties when the car is off, and
> when you turn the car to ready it opens the relays to allow the traction
> battery to then power the car.
>
> It's a small battery, that's all.
>
> Who told you it's a "deep cycle" battery? The dealer???
>
> The Prius battery, which is the same battery, costs $300 at the dealer
> to replace. If your dealer charges $500, he's ripping you off.
To buy the 12V Camry battery yourself and put it in yourself is $418 at
>
> It's not a deep cycle battery at all. It's a 12v battery that does
> nothing but provide normal 12v battery duties when the car is off, and
> when you turn the car to ready it opens the relays to allow the traction
> battery to then power the car.
>
> It's a small battery, that's all.
>
> Who told you it's a "deep cycle" battery? The dealer???
>
> The Prius battery, which is the same battery, costs $300 at the dealer
> to replace. If your dealer charges $500, he's ripping you off.
the dealer I called. They do have a 25% off coupon which would bring it
down to about $315. One dealer with on-line sales will sell it for $272
(plus shipping of about $33).
They charge more to install it because they have to do a few extra
minutes of work like moving the temperature sensor over and attaching
the vent tube.
> Aftermarket, it's still a $175 battery.
If only it existed.
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sms
Aug 8, 2013, 10:45:43 PM8/8/13
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On 8/8/2013 7:04 PM, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <ku18ps$gjd$1...@dont-email.me>,
"The Prius 12V auxilary battery which is used to initialize the Hybrid
system and to power its accessories, is a Lead-acid AGM (Absorbed Glass
Mat) Deep-Cyle battery which is not designed to produce a large amount
of current at once (which is drawn by most starter motors in
conventional vehicles)."
> In article <ku18ps$gjd$1...@dont-email.me>,
> sms <scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
>
>> he aftermarket battery for the second generation Prius is the Optima
>> model DS46B24R (D51), part number 8171-767. $170 from
>> <http://www.elearnaid.com/opdsopbadifi.html>. While it will work in a
>> Camry, it's much lower capacity than the original battery (38AH versus
>> 57AH). That capacity matters in a hybrid where accessories run off the
>> 12V deep cycle AGM battery when the gasoline engine isn't running.
>
> You keep saying that, but it's not true.
>
>> he aftermarket battery for the second generation Prius is the Optima
>> model DS46B24R (D51), part number 8171-767. $170 from
>> <http://www.elearnaid.com/opdsopbadifi.html>. While it will work in a
>> Camry, it's much lower capacity than the original battery (38AH versus
>> 57AH). That capacity matters in a hybrid where accessories run off the
>> 12V deep cycle AGM battery when the gasoline engine isn't running.
>
"The Prius 12V auxilary battery which is used to initialize the Hybrid
system and to power its accessories, is a Lead-acid AGM (Absorbed Glass
Mat) Deep-Cyle battery which is not designed to produce a large amount
of current at once (which is drawn by most starter motors in
conventional vehicles)."
Jeff Strickland
Aug 9, 2013, 12:29:06 PM8/9/13
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"uncle_vito" <uncle_v...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Have a 2001 BMW 325ci with battery in the trunk and no jumper terminals
> under the hood. Some cars do and some cars don't. Just jump the ones
> that do not, at the battery in the trunk. Not optimum, but it works.
>
Are you sure your BMW has no terminal under the hood? Look in the area
> under the hood. Some cars do and some cars don't. Just jump the ones
> that do not, at the battery in the trunk. Not optimum, but it works.
>
around the right side shock tower, there should be a plastic cover with a +
sign moulded into it. My BMWs have a terminal under the hood, I'm certain
yours does too.
uncle_vito
Aug 11, 2013, 1:36:17 PM8/11/13
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dead battery at the airport once and the guy with the jump could not find
the battery. He found it in the trunk and jumped it there. Seems he
could have just used the terminal under the hood. That is why I thought it
wasn't there. I will remember that.
Elmo P. Shagnasty
Aug 11, 2013, 2:54:16 PM8/11/13
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In article <5207cb79$0$22706$862e...@ngroups.net>,
toy, and not once open the owner's manual to find out simple things like
this--
--and worse, who will then go on the internet and declare their ignorant
musings ("there are no jumper terminals under the hood") to be fact.
"uncle_vito" <uncle_v...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Are you sure your BMW has no terminal under the hood? Look in the area
> > around the right side shock tower, there should be a plastic cover with a
> > + sign moulded into it. My BMWs have a terminal under the hood, I'm
> > certain yours does too.
> >
> >
>
>
> YOU ARE CORRECT, Jeff. I went and looked and there it was. Wife had a
> dead battery at the airport once and the guy with the jump could not find
> the battery. He found it in the trunk and jumped it there. Seems he
> could have just used the terminal under the hood. That is why I thought it
> wasn't there. I will remember that.
I am utterly astounded at how people will buy a shiny new $15K to $100K
> > Are you sure your BMW has no terminal under the hood? Look in the area
> > around the right side shock tower, there should be a plastic cover with a
> > + sign moulded into it. My BMWs have a terminal under the hood, I'm
> > certain yours does too.
> >
> >
>
>
> YOU ARE CORRECT, Jeff. I went and looked and there it was. Wife had a
> dead battery at the airport once and the guy with the jump could not find
> the battery. He found it in the trunk and jumped it there. Seems he
> could have just used the terminal under the hood. That is why I thought it
> wasn't there. I will remember that.
toy, and not once open the owner's manual to find out simple things like
this--
--and worse, who will then go on the internet and declare their ignorant
musings ("there are no jumper terminals under the hood") to be fact.
Jeff Strickland
Aug 11, 2013, 3:58:06 PM8/11/13
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The reason the terminal is there is because BMW thinks you should not have
to empty the trunk just because the battery takes a dive. Tow truck drivers
should all know this, but you as the car owner should know it too.
Glad I could help.
to empty the trunk just because the battery takes a dive. Tow truck drivers
should all know this, but you as the car owner should know it too.
Glad I could help.
uncle_vito
Aug 11, 2013, 10:29:51 PM8/11/13
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Who really cares? That battery ran down for my wife and I was at home.
It was the guy jumping the car that didn't know about the terminals. What
am I supposed to do? Go out in the garage and get the manual and look it
up? Let the guy jumping the car figure it out. Put the jumpers on the
battery and you will NEVER go wrong.
BTW, why do they even put terminals under the hood. I could see doing that
if the battery was inside the car, but it is in the trunk. Very easy to
jump the car from behind. Ignorant Musing? Hey, Jeff was right. What
is ignorant about that. BTW, Suck Me.
It was the guy jumping the car that didn't know about the terminals. What
am I supposed to do? Go out in the garage and get the manual and look it
up? Let the guy jumping the car figure it out. Put the jumpers on the
battery and you will NEVER go wrong.
BTW, why do they even put terminals under the hood. I could see doing that
if the battery was inside the car, but it is in the trunk. Very easy to
jump the car from behind. Ignorant Musing? Hey, Jeff was right. What
is ignorant about that. BTW, Suck Me.
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Aug 12, 2013, 9:55:38 AM8/12/13
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> In article <5208486f$0$49220$862e...@ngroups.net>,
>
> That you don't, speaks volumes.
You need to get a life.
> In article <5208486f$0$49220$862e...@ngroups.net>,
> "uncle_vito" <uncle_v...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> > I am utterly astounded at how people will buy a shiny new $15K to $100K
>> > toy, and not once open the owner's manual to find out simple things
>> > like
>> > this--
>> >
>> > --and worse, who will then go on the internet and declare their
>> > ignorant
>> > musings ("there are no jumper terminals under the hood") to be fact.
>>
>> Who really cares? That battery ran down for my wife and I was at home.
>> It was the guy jumping the car that didn't know about the terminals.
>
> You should care.
>
>> > I am utterly astounded at how people will buy a shiny new $15K to $100K
>> > toy, and not once open the owner's manual to find out simple things
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>> > musings ("there are no jumper terminals under the hood") to be fact.
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>> Who really cares? That battery ran down for my wife and I was at home.
>> It was the guy jumping the car that didn't know about the terminals.
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You need to get a life.
SMS
Aug 12, 2013, 4:19:02 PM8/12/13
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On 8/11/2013 7:29 PM, uncle_vito wrote:
> Who really cares? That battery ran down for my wife and I was at home.
> It was the guy jumping the car that didn't know about the terminals. What
> am I supposed to do? Go out in the garage and get the manual and look it
> up? Let the guy jumping the car figure it out. Put the jumpers on the
> battery and you will NEVER go wrong.
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> BTW, why do they even put terminals under the hood. I could see doing that
> if the battery was inside the car, but it is in the trunk. Very easy to
> jump the car from behind. Ignorant Musing? Hey, Jeff was right. What
> is ignorant about that. BTW, Suck Me.
While my wife was waiting for the tow driver I looked up the information
> Who really cares? That battery ran down for my wife and I was at home.
> It was the guy jumping the car that didn't know about the terminals. What
> am I supposed to do? Go out in the garage and get the manual and look it
> up? Let the guy jumping the car figure it out. Put the jumpers on the
> battery and you will NEVER go wrong.
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> BTW, why do they even put terminals under the hood. I could see doing that
> if the battery was inside the car, but it is in the trunk. Very easy to
> jump the car from behind. Ignorant Musing? Hey, Jeff was right. What
> is ignorant about that. BTW, Suck Me.
on-line because I was pretty confident that the tow driver would not
know where to jump it since the Camry hybrid isn't all that common. He
knew that the Prius had the connection under the hood, but he didn't
know that the Camry Hybrid didn't.
It really isn't necessary that someone know every detail of a piece of
technology that they own.
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Oct 21, 2013, 10:39:18 AM10/21/13
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sighthoun...@yahoo.com
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on Feb 23,2014 I installed a new battery in my 2004 Toyota Prius. It had been giving me trouble for several months and the cold weather made it worse. I ordered an OPTIMA DS46B24R battery from Street Side Auto on line for $147 and no shipping. It arrived in 4 days. This is an exact replacement, drop in battery. No modifications of any kind were necessary. The OEM battery has a vent on the side and the new one was in exactly the same location. If you read other comments they describe how to change out this battery. I will only add this comment. Right next to the battery is a black box which is part of the brake system. It is held in place with three bolts and has two plugs which connect to the battery harness. If you remove this box it makes changing the battery MUCH easier.Spray them with WD-40 first since the may have rusted some. It took me 30 minutes to make the change on a very cold afternoon.
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Feb 25, 2014, 10:08:54 AM2/25/14
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On Wednesday, August 7, 2013 6:17:56 PM UTC-4, passerby wrote:
> replying to sms , passerby wrote:
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elea...@earthlink.net
May 3, 2014, 10:24:41 AM5/3/14
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On a Camry Hybrid the battery is charged all the time the car is running whether the gasoline engine is running or not. All Toyota Hybrids and this includes the Camry do not have an alternator. They have a high voltage to 12 volt converter and this is what charges the battery. When you start the car the Ready light engages. When that happens the 12 volts goes to 14 which is the correct charge voltage for a sealed lead acid battery. How do I know? I put a volt meter on the battery terminals of a Camry hybrid and started the car. The voltage goes to 14 volts and then the gasoline engine starts sometime later. Also when the gasoline engine starts there is no voltage drop because the high voltage battery is starting the gasoline engine not the 12 volt battery.
But if that is not enough there is:
Toyota Technical Service Bulletin below.
MAINTENANCE FOR HV BATTERY & AUXILIARY BATTERY- PD020-06 March 31, 2006 Page 7 of 7
"Turn vehicle to "READY" ON. HINT: When the remaining capacity of the HV battery is low, the gasoline engine automatically starts and the HV battery is charged by the generator. The auxiliary battery is also charged by the HV battery regardless of the gasoline engine operation"
But if that is not enough there is:
Toyota Technical Service Bulletin below.
MAINTENANCE FOR HV BATTERY & AUXILIARY BATTERY- PD020-06 March 31, 2006 Page 7 of 7
"Turn vehicle to "READY" ON. HINT: When the remaining capacity of the HV battery is low, the gasoline engine automatically starts and the HV battery is charged by the generator. The auxiliary battery is also charged by the HV battery regardless of the gasoline engine operation"
shammi.i...@gmail.com
Dec 8, 2015, 1:38:16 PM12/8/15
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On Wednesday, August 7, 2013 at 11:58:28 PM UTC+5:30, sms wrote:
> Yesterday I got a call from the spousal unit that the Camry hybrid
> wouldn't start. She was 40 miles away so she called the auto club (we
> tried "Better World" club for a year--big mistake, so it's back to AAA
> next month.
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> The tow truck gets there and he can't get the vehicle started by jumping
> it so it gets towed to the dealer near us. I meet the tow truck at the
> dealer at 11 pm and with some difficulty he unloads the car in the
> service area (you can't get it out of Park with a dead battery, but he
> hooks up his jumper cables and is able to get it into neutral). The
> driver's window is down so he hooks up the cables again so I can roll it
> up before I leave it. I push the start button and the vehicle starts and
> I drive home.
> that it should be replaced every five years or so (deep cycle batteries
> have a shorter life than regular car batteries). But a place in southern
> California sells a substitute (you need one with a vent tube) for $160.
> <http://www.elearnaid.com/opd51yetopba.html>. Why a company that sells
> home schooling educational materials also has a division selling hybrid
> 12V batteries could be another story.
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> I'm not sure why the 12V battery went dead. No lights were left on (in
> fact you can't leave the headlights on). My only thought is that perhaps
> the vehicle was not really turned off, which is an easy mistake to make
> on these vehicles since there is no engine noise when stopped. But the
> spousal unit says she is sure she shut it down properly.
> initial cost, versus the similarly sized Corolla (versus Prius) or
> regular Camry versus hybrid Camry, there are also increased maintenance
> costs.
> Yesterday I got a call from the spousal unit that the Camry hybrid
> wouldn't start. She was 40 miles away so she called the auto club (we
> tried "Better World" club for a year--big mistake, so it's back to AAA
> next month.
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> The tow truck gets there and he can't get the vehicle started by jumping
> it so it gets towed to the dealer near us. I meet the tow truck at the
> dealer at 11 pm and with some difficulty he unloads the car in the
> service area (you can't get it out of Park with a dead battery, but he
> hooks up his jumper cables and is able to get it into neutral). The
> driver's window is down so he hooks up the cables again so I can roll it
> up before I leave it. I push the start button and the vehicle starts and
> I drive home.
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> After some investigation I find that the 12V battery is a special
> deep-cycle battery that the dealer charges about $500 to replace, and
> After some investigation I find that the 12V battery is a special
> that it should be replaced every five years or so (deep cycle batteries
> have a shorter life than regular car batteries). But a place in southern
> California sells a substitute (you need one with a vent tube) for $160.
> <http://www.elearnaid.com/opd51yetopba.html>. Why a company that sells
> home schooling educational materials also has a division selling hybrid
> 12V batteries could be another story.
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> I'm not sure why the 12V battery went dead. No lights were left on (in
> fact you can't leave the headlights on). My only thought is that perhaps
> the vehicle was not really turned off, which is an easy mistake to make
> on these vehicles since there is no engine noise when stopped. But the
> spousal unit says she is sure she shut it down properly.
>
> BTW, unlike on the Prius, the Camry hybrid has no place in the engine
> compartment to jump the vehicle, you must connect the jumper cables to
> the battery in the trunk.
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> Anyway, if you buy a Toyota hybrid, be aware that besides the higher
> BTW, unlike on the Prius, the Camry hybrid has no place in the engine
> compartment to jump the vehicle, you must connect the jumper cables to
> the battery in the trunk.
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> initial cost, versus the similarly sized Corolla (versus Prius) or
> regular Camry versus hybrid Camry, there are also increased maintenance
> costs.
shammi.i...@gmail.com
Dec 8, 2015, 1:38:54 PM12/8/15
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Your Name
Dec 8, 2015, 2:55:02 PM12/8/15
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In article <f851726f-3670-4d05...@googlegroups.com>,
Just one of many reason why electric cars are useless pieces of crap
best avoided (even more especially second-hand ones!) and certainly not
the saviour of the vehicle industry.
best avoided (even more especially second-hand ones!) and certainly not
the saviour of the vehicle industry.
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