Tacoma ABS Brakes- Does your truck have them? Pros and cons?
BB
soon. Where I live it is hard to find a Tacoma with the ABS option. I would
have to have a dealer look for one. What are your recommendations? It is a
$300.00 option. Pros and cons? Get one with or without ABS? TIA
Kenneth Shelton
the snow covered road, I could brake hard, steer, and maintain control at
the same time. Some folks say that they can brake in a shorter distance
without ABS. Some can. Most of us can't. The really hard part is braking
hard and steering around a problem. ABS allows you a better chance to
maintain control.
Ken
Daniel Glenn
BB wrote in message
I wouldn't want to be without mine. They have been great in snow, rain and
dirt. The more customers insist on the ABS option, the more trucks will come
equipped with it. It took me quite a while to find a truck with ABS. Finally
found it on a used one on the dealer lot. Ended up with a Limited just to
get it.
Dan
Chad Carlson
first major winter storm, I was traveling a bit too fast down an I-95
offramp. The traffic in front of me stopped suddenly and I locked 'em
up.... the ABS system kicked in and I stopped just in time to avoid missing
the huge truck in front of me.
I purchased my truck through autobytel.com - they worked with me to get
EVERY option I wanted (it took about 6 weeks for the truck to arrive) and
they were pleasant every step of the way. I hate buying cars with a
passion - but I have to say the experience was a good one.
My local dealer (Lorensen Toyota, Old Saybrook, CT) gave me all kinds of
excuses as to why they couldn't get the Tacoma with ABS - and they quoted me
a price tag of $26,500.00 for the Taco w/out ABS. Through autobytel, I
purchased the 2000 4x4 Extended Cab V6 model w/ TRD package, air cond.,
cruise, tilt, electric moonroof, power windows and locks, ABS, EVERYTHING -
price?? $23,472.00 Go figure. Be patient and don't take no for an answer.
The dealer is there to work around YOUR needs, not the reverse.
-cce
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Verolom
have the ABS so when breaking in an emergency it's either not slowing down
enough, or the front wheels lock. When that happens I am the the mercy of
God. (as said before ABS would not make it slow down faster but would
preserve directional control allowing me to steer away from the danger)
You can also get a lower insurance premium if the rig has ABS.
IMHO ABS and eventually traction control is a must!
Verolom
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Steve Elmore
reason as not spinning your tires gets you going faster than doing a full
throttle burnout.
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Dan G.
support this statement. However, I'll concede that for the average (inexperienced)
drivers, ABS may result in shorter stopping distances, for experienced drivers the
opposite can be true. It depends on the conditions. As I recall, gravel roads are
one example of where ABS stops slower. I personally would gladly trade the
stopping distance for having the ability to steer, and for this reason alone, ABS
is a worthwhile system. But I'll wager that >50% of the drivers who have ABS don't
know how to use it.
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Verolom
Your point can be argued either way. Please, bear with me to explain :)
The shortest stopping distance is achieved when the brakes are about to lock
the wheels, but they still spin (dynamic traction). If you can operate your
regular brakes at this fine optimum point you would get that shortest
stopping distance. The problem is that few of us can "modulate" the brakes
with such a precision. We want to stop faster, we press harder on the brake
pedal, and we lock the wheels, which instead dramatically increases the
stopping distance (static traction).
Here comes the Anti-lock Braking System to help. When the wheels do lock
up, the ABS releases the brakes fully to allow the wheels to unlock, and
then (if the break pedal is still depressed) engages the brakes until the
wheels lock again. That cycle happens at around 10 to 12 times per second.
Therefore on average the brakes do not operate at the optimum point, but
rather somewhere between not being engaged at all and being locked.
So, if we compare locked regular brakes to brakes controlled by ABS sure,
you would stop faster. However, if you can control your brakes so precisely
that you never lock them, then you would stop faster. This is why some
expert drivers dislike ABS and would rather "be in control" and drive
without it.
As stated before the benefit of ABS is really the ability to retain
direction control in an emergency braking and so avoid the obstacle ahead.
I think if you do a full throtle burnout while you are stopped you are going
to spin your tires :)
Verolom
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Steve Elmore
I was covering my a** when I said "in most situations". ABS shortens
stopping distances on wet and icy roads, and somewhat on dry roads, but
makes it worse on gravel and fresh snow (asumming it's not 1/16" snow over 2
inches of ice). Since "most" people will see wet and icy roads more often
and at higher speeds than gravel, I contend ABS is better than no ABS. If
you travel a lot on powder snow or gravel, you could always install an off
switch or pull the fuse.
<snip>But I'll wager that >50% of the drivers who have ABS don't know how
to use it.</snip>
I wouldn't be suprised of the same number of people don't know how to/know
to pump their brakes either.
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MDT Tech®
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> ABS does give shorter stopping distances in most situations for the same
> reason as not spinning your tires gets you going faster than doing a full
> throttle burnout.
>
Agreed, on compact snow, once the wheels stop turning, you can literally
pick up speed, one exception, someone mentioned snow piling up in front
of the skidding tires working like a wheel chock, this makes sense, but
in most cases, this applies to virgin roads with fresh snowfall.
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DJ
I have a 2002 Limited Double Cab with ABS. In the morning when I
first drive my truck it makes a clunking noise when it shifts into 2nd
gear on the auto trans. It only does this one time when the truck is
first driven. Someone told me that this is the ABS resetting itself.
Is this true? Could this noise be related to something else and
should I take it into the dealer? I really hate taking my truck into
the dealership. They keep it all day long and usually don't fix the
problem. Any ideas what this noise is?
MDT Tech®
>
> MDT Tech,
>
> I have a 2002 Limited Double Cab with ABS. In the morning when I
> first drive my truck it makes a clunking noise when it shifts into 2nd
> gear on the auto trans. It only does this one time when the truck is
> first driven. Someone told me that this is the ABS resetting itself.
Might be, they do go into a "self check" after power up.