Question, no oil filter???
Toby Bristow
I'm digging into a '54 Commander coupe that's been a'sitten for decades.
It has a 232 V8 (engine # V300916) I'm trying to do an oil change but I
don't seem to be able to find any type of filtration system at all. Now
admittedly I'm very new to the likes of a Studebaker and this era of
automobile as well, but I can't believe it just dosen't have some kind of
oil filter. I have searched the entire block (top, front, sides, and
bottom) and don't see a thing. Also I have found only 1 fuse so far and it
leads to the radio. Does this car not have a fuse block of some kind
either? I have purchased the service manual off E-bay but it won't be here
for at least another week. Can someone please tell me this poor engine
dosen't depend upon it's owner to be consistent about oil changes. One
last thing, can anyone decode the cars serial number for me? It reads
5H-C3
2104
Thanks for any info
Toby
John Poulos
I headed back out to the garage and don't have time to answer all
your questions right now, but I'm sure others will pick up the slack.
The oil filter was an option and not very effective, you can live
without it just fine.
--
John Poulos
Annapolis Md
http://stude.com
63 & 64 Avanti
64 GT Hawk
63 Daytona Convertible
57 Golden Hawk
ric
incentive to change your oil every 1,000 miles (and do a
front-end/chassis lube service!). Ahhh, life was different before
OPEC...
As for your body tag... 5H = 1954 Commander model (which essentially
you know)
C3 = 5-passenger coupe, and for your model (5H) also indeicates the
"Delux" trim package
2104 is a 1-up line number (2104-th built)
I'm not a Commander guy, and my arm is buggered up, so I can't go
fishing thru my catalogs looking for fuse info... I'll leave that to
someone else.
Good luck with your new project!
On Mon, 27 Mar 2000 07:32:26 GMT, "Toby Bristow" <dakot...@psnw.com>
wrote:
>Hello all,
>
>I'm digging into a '54 Commander coupe that's been a'sitten for decades.
>It has a 232 V8 (engine # V300916) I'm trying to do an oil change but I
>don't seem to be able to find any type of filtration system at all. Now
>admittedly I'm very new to the likes of a Studebaker and this era of
>automobile as well, but I can't believe it just dosen't have some kind of
>oil filter. I have searched the entire block (top, front, sides, and
>bottom) and don't see a thing. Also I have found only 1 fuse so far and it
>leads to the radio. Does this car not have a fuse block of some kind
>either? I have purchased the service manual off E-bay but it won't be here
>for at least another week. Can someone please tell me this poor engine
>dosen't depend upon it's owner to be consistent about oil changes. One
>last thing, can anyone decode the cars serial number for me? It reads
>
>5H-C3
>2104
>
>Thanks for any info
>Toby
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On Mon, 27 Mar 2000 20:36:19 GMT, ric_meisn...@earthlink.net (
ric) wrote:
>C3 = 5-passenger coupe, and for your model (5H) also indeicates the
>"Delux" trim package
JETman
>
> Toby
> I headed back out to the garage and don't have time to answer all
> your questions right now, but I'm sure others will pick up the slack.
> The oil filter was an option and not very effective, you can live
> without it just fine.
>
John is correct. Just change your oil every 2,500 miles and you'll
never know you don't have one. Unless it is full flow, it's just a pain
inna butt. In fact, if the car is for show, you can install a partial
flow filter then block off the inlet so that it doesn't function. No
mess no fuss.
I've been doing it for years.
> Toby Bristow wrote:
> >
> > Hello all,
> >
> > I'm digging into a '54 Commander coupe that's been a'sitten for decades.
> > It has a 232 V8 (engine # V300916) I'm trying to do an oil change but I
> > don't seem to be able to find any type of filtration system at all. Now
> > admittedly I'm very new to the likes of a Studebaker and this era of
> > automobile as well, but I can't believe it just dosen't have some kind of
> > oil filter. I have searched the entire block (top, front, sides, and
> > bottom) and don't see a thing. Also I have found only 1 fuse so far and it
> > leads to the radio. Does this car not have a fuse block of some kind
> > either? I have purchased the service manual off E-bay but it won't be here
> > for at least another week. Can someone please tell me this poor engine
> > dosen't depend upon it's owner to be consistent about oil changes. One
> > last thing, can anyone decode the cars serial number for me? It reads
> >
> > 5H-C3
> > 2104
> >
> > Thanks for any info
> > Toby
>
> --
> John Poulos
> Annapolis Md
> http://stude.com
> 63 & 64 Avanti
> 64 GT Hawk
> 63 Daytona Convertible
> 57 Golden Hawk
--
Regards,
JT, residing in Austin, Texas - Home of the Annual Spamarama Festival
and, Other Things Weird!
Just a few of my favorite things. . .
‘31 Studebaker State Coupe
‘55 Studebaker State Coupe
‘55 Studebaker State Sedan
‘56 Studebaker Power Hawk
‘63 Studebaker Lark Sedan
‘64 Studebaker T-Cab T-6
‘65 Honda 305 Dream
Leica M2 Range Finders
Robert Kabchef
>John already answered your question about oil filters. Look at it as
>incentive to change your oil every 1,000 miles (and do a
>front-end/chassis lube service!). Ahhh, life was different before
>OPEC...
>
>As for your body tag... 5H = 1954 Commander model (which essentially
>you know)
>
>C3 = 5-passenger coupe, and for your model (5H) also indeicates the
>"Delux" trim package
>
>2104 is a 1-up line number (2104-th built)
>
Actually ric, the 2104 is not a sequential numbering for this car.
It IS an indication that this was the 2104th 5H C3 body that was
welded up. (That's BODY...as opposed to the whole car)
But it's highly unlikely that this car was the 2104th one assembled.
They'd weld up a bunch of bodies of one sort all at once. Then
they'd store them, on end, in a holding area to be pulled as the day's
production dictated.
Let's say they welded up bodies # 2100 thru 2150 of 5H C3s on a
given shift. This would put #2100 as the first one into the storage
area. #2150 would be the last one stashed. But 2150 would be the first
one of that batch of 5H C3 bodies used as the production line called
for 5H C3 bodies. 2104 would be one of the later ones pulled for use.
It would be tough to place this car sequentially as far as '54
Commander coupes go. This is cause ALL models of Commanders- sedans,
coupes, hardtops were thrown in as far as assigning serial #s Likewise
with the Champion lineup.
It COULD be done by someone spending the hours of research time to
go thru production records and gleaning the various models from the
sequence of serial #s. Some folks have done such listings for various
models but you'd have to get permission to go thru the thousands of
production records that are stored in South Bend.
StudeBob Kabchef
Studefarming in California
ric
n Mon, 27 Mar 2000 21:50:09 GMT, stud...@mindspring.com (Robert
Kabchef) wrote:
>ric_meisn...@earthlink.net ( ric) wrote:
>
>>John already answered your question about oil filters. Look at it as
>>incentive to change your oil every 1,000 miles (and do a
>>front-end/chassis lube service!). Ahhh, life was different before
>>OPEC...
>>
>>As for your body tag... 5H = 1954 Commander model (which essentially
>>you know)
>>
>>C3 = 5-passenger coupe, and for your model (5H) also indeicates the
>>"Delux" trim package
>>
>>2104 is a 1-up line number (2104-th built)
>>
>
> Actually ric, the 2104 is not a sequential numbering for this car.
>It IS an indication that this was the 2104th 5H C3 body that was
>welded up. (That's BODY...as opposed to the whole car)
--
\r
performing regular oil changes. If you do get an oil filter, it is only a
partial flow filter. J
Toby Bristow <dakot...@psnw.com> wrote in message
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Preston
if it has an oil filter it would be at the front of the engine on
top and looks like a canister. As you face the front of the
engine it would be mounted on the left side of the oil filler
tube opposite the fuel pump.Have fun!
Preston
Northern Illinois
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wa7avc
It uses a C-4 cartridge or equivalent. I wouldn't be without a
filter. I have seen too many worn out engines back in the 50s
with 40k miles that would have gone a lot longer with a filter.
The dealer that I worked for ordered cars with the filters
installed at the factory. I believe he did his customers a favor.
Gordon Cady
JETman
>
> My '54 Commander with the 232 has the optional Fram F-4 filter.
> It uses a C-4 cartridge or equivalent. I wouldn't be without a
> filter. I have seen too many worn out engines back in the 50s
> with 40k miles that would have gone a lot longer with a filter.
> The dealer that I worked for ordered cars with the filters
> installed at the factory. I believe he did his customers a favor.
>
> Gordon Cady
>
>
I would take issue with this in that my experience, the most recent
being my '63 Lark, (it has a 1960 engine), was overhauled in mid 1996.
The Lark which was a six cylinder model had a bad engine so I replaced
it with an engine/transmission which I installed chrome rings on the
current pistons, installed a new crank and bearings, and had the rod
"trued." Since that time, I have changed the oil "religiously" every
2,500 miles and there is not a hint of blow-by or any reduction in oil
pressure after well over 50K. This is one of the strongest 259 engines
that I have ever had.
No oil filter on it and no car in my possession will have a partial flow
unit. Just a waste of time, money, not to mention messy. Same with my
1956 Power Hawk which I have owned for over thirty years.
studebakerdan
is noch thing - everything was fused individually.