S10 frame in a 53 coupe?
Dave
Any truth to this or is there another easy way to replace that frame? TIA.
StudeBob
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Sonny
Sonny <LMAO>
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Lee Aanderud
ass handed to him. Some need to realize that everyone here isn't a
purist. Maybe he'll get pissed at the lack of help and send it to the
local crusher.
Lee
Jeff DeWitt
What end are you trying to achieve? If it's better handling and brakes that
can be much more easily accomplished with upgrades that are pretty readily
available. Disk brakes are a bolt on kit for around $500, new springs,
shocks, and better sway bars are available too. If you really feel you need
to change the frame because of rust or whatever it would be far easier to swap
in a frame from a late model Hawk than any brand "X" frame.
As you have no doubt noticed some of us feel pretty strongly about these cars,
but you won't find a more knowledgeable, helpful (and sometimes cantankerous!)
group anywhere.
Good Luck!
Jeff DeWitt
Oldcarfart
>From: "StudeBob"
>
> Replace it to achieve what end?
>
ut-oh <G>
Jeff Rice
A later model Studebaker GT Hawk frame ('62-4) will fit right under there.
It is a beefier metal thickness.
Don't sell the Stude front suspension short.
It is accurate, and even has people making disk brake kits for it (Turner
Brakes!).
Unless you are back halfing the car, you'd be on the road a whole lot
faster.
What part of the country are you in. I'll betcha a decent newer frame could
be found for cheap.
Hope it helps.
Jeff
JerryStudebaker
> Any truth to this
No.
> or is there another easy way to replace that frame? TIA.
No
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JerryStudebaker wrote:
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My Ebay items: http://stude.com/EBAY
79 Avanti II (Cheap Avanti)
64 R1 Hawk Powershift/AC(Md)
63 R2 Hawk 4 speed(Md. keeper)
63 R2 4 speed Daytona HT(Md.keeper)
63 Avanti R3 clone(Md.keeper)
63 GT Hawk (wrecked)
62 Daytona (parts car)
Don & Kathy Watson
was to improve the brakes and handling. What I was told was, and perhaps
this might be what you want to know, is that the S-10 does not have rack &
pinion steering and fits much better into earlier cars and pickups. It is
true that the wheel base of the S-10 extended cab is the same as your 53,
that's about it. The body mounts can be located onto the S-10 frame but the
rear portion will need some re-work. If you are good with a torch it can be
done, but I really don't think it is worth it. I have the Turner disc brake
conversion, new bushings and tierod ends in my Hawk and it goes down the
highway like a new car. I plan on putting some larger sway bars, front and
back to cut down on the body roll on corners but they do drive slick with
tight steering. This is a great bunch of guys, some are just a LITTLE
cranky on some days <G>
Don
61 Hawk
55 Speedster
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Lee.
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StudeBob
'47 thru '50 model Stude cars. Not that I would but I've seen it done. Takes
some surgery in the truck floor area to pull it off.
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Sonny
done good. <G> Uhm, which crusher will it be at Dave? <GG>
Sonny
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Lee
Dave
see how you could go any thinner. Going to put 450 HP to it and there is no
way in this world that it can handle that with out some serious flexing
which will flex the body and I don't want body damage. Also the steering is
in the way so I would like to MII it with a rack but in order to do that
most of the frame has to be trimmed to width which makes it even more
weaker. Can anyone here tell me how they did the MII and maybe post some
pics?
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John Poulos
impressed he asked such a mellow question.<g> Bob told me about a guy that
did the S10 swap on a 47 Convert so he could drive at 70-75 MPH with a modern
V6, and that made sense even to PureBob.<g>
Sonny wrote:
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Sonny
panties in a wad. <GG> The reason I know about bein a COB is because I've
been there, done that, and had friends point it out to me. I just take a
ride in an old Studebaker, and everything is A-OK again.
Sonny
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Jeff DeWitt
setup that Phantom is selling.
Jeff DeWitt
John Poulos
is making over 600 HP in a 51 frame and runs in the 10's at 132 MPH with a stock
frame with only modern disk brakes. He's doing it with a heavy Studebaker engine
too. As Ted says:
"The speed at the end of the quarter mile is getting a little scary in a 50 year
old car with stock suspension and steering, etc., even though it handles
beautifully at this speed We did add large disk brakes on the front to aid in
stopping from high speed. "
See it here:http://stude.com/Ted/history.htm
BTW, most of the Mustang II's swap use the Fat Man clip, but I think it's
weaker than the stock set-up. What engine are you having clearance problems with
?
Dave wrote:
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Sonny wrote:
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Sonny
Sonny
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Dave
I will fabricate my own before I use theirs. Just thought someone here could
help with a front clip setup. Running a blown 4.6 Mustang.
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Jeff DeWitt
You owe it to yourself to take a good hard look at what Ted has accomplished
with the ChickenHawk before you go to all the work, trouble, and expense of
putting in a clip. That is a LOT of work that might better go into something
else on the car, no matter what you do this is going to be a big project, and
there is no point in making it any tougher than you need to.
Jeff DeWitt
John Poulos
won't clear the steering. I just find it hard to believe you couldn't find a 'work
around' for the stock steering.
Oldcarfart
>
>I think the fact that the S10 fits the C cab trucks is confusing everyone.
I don't know about the "C" cab, but the '47-'50's cars seem to benefit from it.
Oldcarfart
> This is a great bunch of guys, some are just a LITTLE
>cranky on some days <G>
every 28 or so it seems. <G>
Oldcarfart
>
><LMAO> Yeah, I was there, at least a COB can shake hands and make up! <GG>
ya'all gotta special handshake too? <G>
Transtar60
the mounting system it seems. I have a 53 c-cab out in the barn, mounted
on a J-10 Jeep chassis, this cab was earlier mounted on a '65 Wagoneer
chassis.
Sam Roberts
it seems.
Sam ( maybe C.O.B = W.M.D.) CTCG
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Sonny
AIDS, SARS, STDs, etc., etc.. <G>
Sonny
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steering, why not the 4.6? Does he know you can offset your engine a little?
Alex M
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Sam Roberts
1991, and in Ford, and Mercury, in 1992. It is an OHC "modular" block,
whatever that means.
Sam
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4.6 is a F*rd motor - one of the new overhead cam jobs. Problem with
those is the heads are WIDE and bump into a lot of stuff.
nate
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StudeBob
I was quick to sum up a reply to your smart-ass eruption. But I
realized it would achieve nothing but perpetuation of your sorry attitude. I
ditched my knee-jerk response yesterday.
There are about a dozen or so of us that answer (or try to) questions on
a regular basis, and many more of us that have valid advice to share. I
don't consider myself an expert to tell the truth. There are some who are
more adventurous than I as far as trying substitutions or modifications to
the stock engineering of our Studebakers. Some of it I think is cool - some
I find to be suspect as to it's relative worth.
Anyway, with all the helpful goodness that pours forth from this group, it
stands to reason that someone has to add balance - however loathsome that
duty might be. So I accept your unfounded tirade as necessary to effect a
well-round group. Thanks for offering your advice.
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Sam Roberts
Sam ( I hear they need an Ambassador in Baghdad )
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2R5 truck and the owner said the S-10 fit under it "almost" perfectly. I'd
take a few measurements.
Cleve Pate
Dave
power steering pump. Need to get engine down low so the blower fits without
mods to the hood. Want it to look like a sleeper. Who has done the fatman
setup? Any pics? Thanks again guys.
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Lee Aanderud
The guy asked a question about a frame swap, you jumped in, gritting
your teeth, ready to defend that Studebaker frame to the death, and I
basically wrote that the guy asked a simple question that didn't get
answered except for "what will that prove". I'm sure that answered his
question completely.
Just when I think things are getting back to somewhere near civil
between us you go off your medications with a reply like this. If you
don't like what I have to say, take the JP route and kill-file me. You
won't hurt my feelings and I'm sure your blood pressure will drop
significantly.
Lee (and I'm not the one with the sorry attitude)
Dave's Place
> setup? Any pics? Thanks again guys.
Alex did the FatMan set up, and I seem to remember him posting some pics.
I used a Mustang II on my car, but chose not to use FatMan. Took my car to
a local guy that has a lot of experience subframing cars, and let him do it.
I furnished the front end from a Mustang II we had laying around. He cut
the old frame out just in front of the firewall, built an new box frame, and
incorporated the front end I furnished, after a complete rebuild of all
components.
Pictures aren't great, but here are a few:
http://members.provalue.net/studes/stude08.htm
http://members.provalue.net/studes/stude09.htm
http://members.provalue.net/studes/stude10.htm
http://members.provalue.net/studes/stude14.htm
I intended to take more pictures as he built the frame, but he was too fast
for me. The car drives, steers, stops, and handles far better than before,
and the original front end had been rebuilt not too long before I bought the
car. This is not to say that the original front end, with power steering
and Turner Brakes wouldn't do as well. It is to say that I'm tickled with
the result of what we did to the car.
The Mustang rack is hooked up to a Chevy power steering pump... if you do
that, you will need to put a replacement valve in the pump to "slow it
down."
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Home of 'Sheba, the Internationally Renowned Studebaker Under Construction
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http://www.davesplaceinc.com
John Poulos
he'll get more attention with a lot less work. <g>
Sam Roberts wrote:
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Lee Aanderud
FatMan front end. They said it was basically cut and bolt in. They
said FatMan's had instructions exclusively written for that frame and
the cutting wasn't anything more than following their directions,
measuring and cutting.
Lee
Dave's Place
> said FatMan's had instructions exclusively written for that frame and
> the cutting wasn't anything more than following their directions,
> measuring and cutting.
That's what they say. I have heard otherwise. I'll let Alex address that,
since I have no experience with F.M.
StudeBob
achieve what end?"
I could be wrong (I'm sure you'll tell me so) but that doesn't sound as
contentious as the way you put words in my mouth. You have me saying: "what
will that prove". (see your post below below for source)
YOU have me asking what it will PROVE to swap frames while I was asking
what it was he hoped to achieve. I'm bankin' you can't see the difference -
you with your intuitive interpretations of my thoughts.
See, you play with the hand you're dealt an' I'll play my cards. That
you'll lose is fairly certain but don't try to get around it by playing my
hand badly for me. <G>
I ask the group. What's the more intimidating of these two questions?
"what will that prove". OR "Replace it to achieve what end?"
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said. But from the look and quality of their car they weren't exactly
your average backyard mechanics.
Lee
Lee Aanderud
you aren't the easiest person to figure out. I'm not going to get into
another pissing match with you. We'll just say I'm the one with the
"sorry attitude" and you can be the one with the "unstable attitude".
Lee
StudeBob
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Lee Aanderud
I see having a civil conversation with you is next to impossible. I
guess a conversation with you is looked upon by you as a competition to
see who has the bigger mouth.
Lee
John Poulos
it'll just waste the NG's time, BTDT.
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have anything to do with me now that I'm on JP's or Studebob's shitlist.
East coast and West coast egomaniacs.
Better put the Hawk on E-Bay and buy a Chevy.
Lee
StudeBob
You're winning!news:3EADEDFE...@bellsouth.net...
StudeBob
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> Bob, move on, block him if you like,
"Plink!"
JerryStudebaker
Olympics. Even IF you win, you're still a Retard. Stop it, please.
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Chrome Plating Service, Auto & Truck Accessories, Street Rod Parts
'55 Pres. K Cp (driver)
'55 Pres. C Cp. (driver)
'55 Comm. C Cp. (future project)
'53 Comm. C Cp. (Studelac project)
'53 Comm. C Cp. (Chevybaker project)
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"JerryStudebaker" <JerrySt...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> Argueing with someone on the internet is just like running in the Special
> Olympics. Even IF you win, you're still a Retard. Stop it, please.
>
> --
> Jerry Forrester
You might be right, Jerry. Does this mean you can't answer the below
question??
What's the more intimidating of these two questions?
"what will that prove". OR "Replace it to achieve what end?"
To me, there's a distinct difference between helping and yelping.
JerryStudebaker
I have been in contact with Dave via e-mail though and gave him what advice
I could. I am a StreetRodder, have always modified my cars and always will.
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Forrester's Chrome for the Street
3990 Bankhead Hwy
Douglasville, Ga. 30134
Chrome Plating Service, Auto & Truck Accessories, Street Rod Parts
'55 Pres. K Cp (driver)
'55 Pres. C Cp. (driver)
'55 Comm. C Cp. (future project)
'53 Comm. C Cp. (Studelac project)
'53 Comm. C Cp. (Chevybaker project)
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now I'll drop this part of the thread. <g>
StudeBob wrote:
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he was trying to achieve. What was so evil about that? (s'OK, I know you
aren't gonna answer)
Anyway Jer, thanks for the retard diagnosis. Medical costs are
skyrocketing these days. It always helps to save a buck when ya can!
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Dave's Place
Geez.
All I was trying to do was offer Dave an alternative to consider.
All I was saying is that I have heard that some folks have not found FM's
system to be as easily installed as advertised. Others have experienced no
problems. As I stated, I'm not qualified to say either way, since I chose
not to use their system... based not only on the "negative" reports I had
heard, but because I also had a qualified person to "cusstom" build a frame
to house the MII system to suit my needs, as I saw them.
Lee seems to think I was challenging the report he got from someone that
(successfully) installed the FM system. That was not my intent. My intent
was to state that I have met (competent) fabricators that have experienced
problems while following FM's instructions when installing the FM system.
Bob seems to think this is a good time for me to get involved in the tripe.
It certainly was NOT my intent to find myself in the middle of yet another
pissing contest, but here I am.
My intent WAS to share what little I know with the new "other" Dave for him
to consider as he searches for answers.
It has been suggested to Dave:
Use the frame you have, with some upgrades. (Good input provided.)
Use a later Stude frame, with upgrades. (Good input provided.)
Use a FatMan system, with your current frame. (I was hoping Alex could
(would) offer insight.)
Use a Mustang II, but build (or have built) your own frame. (I offered my 2
cents worth, knowing full well that it may be overvalued at that.)
Why can't we discuss the merits/demerits of these options without pissing at
each other? I avoided this thread for 28 hours before responding, because I
was afraid it might go this route. "Well," I thought, "What the heck? I'll
share with Dave what little I think I know, he can use it as he pleases."
Then, I responded to Lee that, while he had heard a favorable report on the
FM system, I had heard from folks that had not experienced such good
results. He felt compelled to 'splain that he was only repeating what he
had heard... from (obviously competent) fabricators. ("I'm just passing on
what two guys who restored a car with this frame said. But from the look
and quality of their car they weren't exactly your average backyard
mechanics.") (Notice that when I quote a person, I quote EXACTLY what he
said, not paraphrased, or twisted to suit what I thought he was really
saying.)
I understood what Lee said the first time, but made the mistake of sharing
what I had heard, as well. So, this is all my fault. I accept that. I
should have responded to the other other other Dave by email. Truth is, I
knew better than to reply in this forum, I really did But, I did it anyway,
so shame on me!
Welcome to the group, Dave. You can take this Dave's place. (Gives a whole
new meaning to Dave's Place. Pun intended! <LMAO>) Enjoy! Let me know by
email what you decide to do, I think you are embarking on an interesting
project, and I would be interested in knowing what route you choose, why you
chose it, and how it turns out.
Have fun, guys. But, remember, we all have fun in different ways... don't
we?
Dave (I'll find a way myself, yet... this isn't it.) Lester and the Ain't
Dave's Place
>
> Use the frame you have, with some upgrades. (Good input provided.)
> Use a later Stude frame, with upgrades. (Good input provided.)
> Use a FatMan system, with your current frame. (I was hoping Alex could
> (would) offer insight.)
> Use a Mustang II, but build (or have built) your own frame. (I offered my
2
> cents worth, knowing full well that it may be overvalued at that.)
I forgot:
An S10 frame may/may not work.
Think that covers the bases accurately.
--
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Sonny
0-the-COB too huh Bob? <G> I'll answer your question. When you posted asking
about what he was trying to achieve, I honestly thought it was a preamble to
you telling Dave that he should seriously consider keeping the Stude frame,
and nothing wrong with you saying that in my opinion. However, you gave him
some information about another configuration, and I was glad to hear you
tell him that. Lee misunderstood, and said so, matter ended in my opinion. I
love ya like a brother Bob, but you are known to have a pretty narrow focus
on keeping a Stude all Stude, and I don't think that there is anything wrong
with that either. I like them any way, but prefer keeping them as much
Studebaker as I can, but I'm just one fella. In fact, I'll go so far as to
tell you that "Frankenstude" turns my stomach, but I have a picture of it up
on the wall in the garage, it's just another way to "do" one, but not with
my time or money. <G>
Anyway, being fair, you have to remember that you do have a reputation for
beating the drum for keeping them all Studebaker, and when you post
something like that, why wouldn't you think that someone could misunderstand
what you were thinking? You could have expanded it a bit more with
specifics. Hell, I wasn't sure either. Oh, start using more vernacular ya
C.O.B.! <GG>
Sonny
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Stdbkr1955
> I ask the group. What's the more intimidating of these two questions?
>
> "what will that prove". OR "Replace it to achieve what end?"
>
I vote - "what will that prove"
Mickey
Home of the World Famous
Ms. Estella & Harvey The Traveling Truck
Jessie J. VanDeCreek
I would suggest that a Chris Alston Chassis Works complete frame
and suspension package would be the best way to go for such a radical
swap,
it can be desinged to accomodate all your various paremeters, and
might even end up costing less than screwing around with junkyard
parts, certainly the end result would be a cleaner and far more
desireable finished product.
Jeff DeWitt
Jeff DeWitt
JerryStudebaker
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> Geesh Jerry, how shockingly unPC can you get <VBG>
>
> Jeff DeWitt
>
Yep, that's me.<G>
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FORRESTER'S CHROME for the STREET
3990 Bankhead Hwy
Douglasville, Ga 30134
'55 Pres. HT (driver) Leo
'55 Pres. Cp. (driver) Stella
'55 Comm. Cp. (future project)
'53 Comm. Cp. (Studelac project)
'53 Comm. Cp. (Chevybaker project)