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Paul Johnson
Sep 28, 2009, 6:54:45 PM9/28/09
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My following post was deemed politically unacceptable on the SDC Forum, but
some of us still think it is worth reading.
"Yes, I know there have seen several threads on Cash for Clunkers, but I
have some real life stories to relate.
First, C4C helped me because I got a mint tail gate VERY CHEAP for my '95
Dodge Ram. My daughter-in-law is a manager for a medium size salvage yard
(she's a "car" person). Since C4C they have received about 1,000 "clunkers"
from dealers within about 25 miles of their yard.
Here's the HARM part. My tailgate came off a 48,000-mile, garage-kept,
pristine '96 Ram. Other "clunkers" they have received include an '03
Mustang, an '01 Rodeo with low miles in perfect condition, an '06 Kia Sedona
with everything including back seat DVD, an '03 Grand Cherokee, several
Jaguars and BMWs and many other similar examples. She says only a small
number of the vehicles are truly clunkers- mostly old high miles Chevrolet
trucks.
She says the largest number of clunkers were Dodge trucks, MoPar minivans,
Jeeps (all models), Ford Aerostars, Ford trucks, etc. She talked to some of
the dealer mechanics who had to "put down" the clunkers. They said it broke
their hearts to do it to most. In case you didn't know the method, they pour
a liquid glass solution in the crankcase filler and run the engines until
they seize. This solution ruins any moving part of the engine that is
engine-oil lubricated.
With her knowledge of the auction market she said most of the "clunkers"
would be worth at least $3500-$4500 as trade-ins. And to some degree dealers
have shot themselves in the foot because now they are way short on used cars
in their inventories (a dealer told me some time ago that they make their
money on used cars, not the new car sales).
Other HARMs- her yard can only hold up to 2,000 cars. To make room for the
clunkers they had to crush hundreds of cars that still had many usable
parts. And, they are getting the cars at such a rate that they can't hire
enough help to dismantle them in the time allowed under the C4C program. So,
more usable parts will go to the crusher.
Charity programs- The various charities that get a good bit of their revenue
from donated cars are badly hurt- no one is donating cars.
Low income people- Many people can't afford new cars or even good used cars.
Many of the "clunkers" could have been bought by low income people, but now
they aren't available. Everyone ready for another C4C program?"
Paul Johnson
some of us still think it is worth reading.
"Yes, I know there have seen several threads on Cash for Clunkers, but I
have some real life stories to relate.
First, C4C helped me because I got a mint tail gate VERY CHEAP for my '95
Dodge Ram. My daughter-in-law is a manager for a medium size salvage yard
(she's a "car" person). Since C4C they have received about 1,000 "clunkers"
from dealers within about 25 miles of their yard.
Here's the HARM part. My tailgate came off a 48,000-mile, garage-kept,
pristine '96 Ram. Other "clunkers" they have received include an '03
Mustang, an '01 Rodeo with low miles in perfect condition, an '06 Kia Sedona
with everything including back seat DVD, an '03 Grand Cherokee, several
Jaguars and BMWs and many other similar examples. She says only a small
number of the vehicles are truly clunkers- mostly old high miles Chevrolet
trucks.
She says the largest number of clunkers were Dodge trucks, MoPar minivans,
Jeeps (all models), Ford Aerostars, Ford trucks, etc. She talked to some of
the dealer mechanics who had to "put down" the clunkers. They said it broke
their hearts to do it to most. In case you didn't know the method, they pour
a liquid glass solution in the crankcase filler and run the engines until
they seize. This solution ruins any moving part of the engine that is
engine-oil lubricated.
With her knowledge of the auction market she said most of the "clunkers"
would be worth at least $3500-$4500 as trade-ins. And to some degree dealers
have shot themselves in the foot because now they are way short on used cars
in their inventories (a dealer told me some time ago that they make their
money on used cars, not the new car sales).
Other HARMs- her yard can only hold up to 2,000 cars. To make room for the
clunkers they had to crush hundreds of cars that still had many usable
parts. And, they are getting the cars at such a rate that they can't hire
enough help to dismantle them in the time allowed under the C4C program. So,
more usable parts will go to the crusher.
Charity programs- The various charities that get a good bit of their revenue
from donated cars are badly hurt- no one is donating cars.
Low income people- Many people can't afford new cars or even good used cars.
Many of the "clunkers" could have been bought by low income people, but now
they aren't available. Everyone ready for another C4C program?"
Paul Johnson
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Grumpy AuContraire
Sep 28, 2009, 10:39:22 PM9/28/09
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Paul Johnson wrote:
Just typical of poorly thought out guv'ment action. I agree with
everything you stated but was surprised that some body parts can be sold
off. That is a small positive for an otherwise negative program.
JT
Chris
Sep 29, 2009, 1:51:48 AM9/29/09
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All,
on the Land-Rover "Mendo Recce" list that I'm on, this site breaking down
what was traded in was posted.
http://www.cars.gov/files/official-information/trade-in-vehicles.pdf
Two North American sales Defender 110 were traded in. There were far less
than 1000 imported into North America, and they normally go for US$30,000 on
EBAY. There was also a Rolls-Royce that went to it's death.
The good news is there apparently weren't any Studebakers traded in.
Best regards,
Chris Houck, Pacheco, CA
on the Land-Rover "Mendo Recce" list that I'm on, this site breaking down
what was traded in was posted.
http://www.cars.gov/files/official-information/trade-in-vehicles.pdf
Two North American sales Defender 110 were traded in. There were far less
than 1000 imported into North America, and they normally go for US$30,000 on
EBAY. There was also a Rolls-Royce that went to it's death.
The good news is there apparently weren't any Studebakers traded in.
Best regards,
Chris Houck, Pacheco, CA
'52 2R5 ( soon to be brought back to life and will be scrounging parts soon,
my next project! )
'55 Champion 16G6 2 door
'59 Lark VI
'61 Land-Rover 88" Series II Station Wagon
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Paul Johnson
Sep 30, 2009, 10:31:16 AM9/30/09
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<m...@notanywhere.net> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 21:39:22 -0500, Grumpy AuContraire
> <Grum...@GrumpyvilleNOT.com> wrote:
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>>
>>Just typical of poorly thought out guv'ment action. I agree with
>>everything you stated but was surprised that some body parts can be sold
>>off. That is a small positive for an otherwise negative program.
>>
>>JT
> engine and such parts (drive train), then it must be at that time
> crushed as well
> --Shiva--
Right on that. My daughter-in-law says they won't be able to disassemble
that many cars in six months so much good stuff will still be crushed.
Paul Johnson
Shapper
Oct 1, 2009, 8:39:32 AM10/1/09
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On Sep 30, 10:31 am, "Paul Johnson" <thejohns...@frontiernet.net>
wrote:
wrote:
Why not just go around smashing windows and create lots of employment
for window companies? Makes just as much sense!
Mike M
Oct 20, 2009, 7:13:01 PM10/20/09
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I totally agree with all you have stated about the C4C program... a sad day
for our nation..
for our nation..
MM
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Nov 23, 2009, 7:30:45 PM11/23/09
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Does anyone know the procedure for the dealer, once they get the
"clunkers" Do they auction them, sell them, give then away, what? As
everyone else, I see hundreds of them in Pick n Pull, here in San
Antonio. REALLY beautiful cars--MAAAAANY Jeeps. But lots of very
nice (and I mean REALY nice) Mercedes, Caddys and BMWs.
"clunkers" Do they auction them, sell them, give then away, what? As
everyone else, I see hundreds of them in Pick n Pull, here in San
Antonio. REALLY beautiful cars--MAAAAANY Jeeps. But lots of very
nice (and I mean REALY nice) Mercedes, Caddys and BMWs.
TIA
John
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