Didn't Glidden get caught cheating?

[go30...@radiks.net]

Don't get me wrong I admire people like Bob Glidden and I look at Drag
Racing like the game King Oil, you can cheat as long as you don't get
caught.
I swear I heard stories about Bob and some of his antics, ie:
pressurizing the block,
from people like Scotty Cannon who did the same or so the stories go.
Anyone know if this is true? any other stories.
remember I don't want anyone to slam the guy, just a discussion.
Mick

[tonys]

Bob Glidden did not get caught using nitrous oxide........One of his kids
used it.....Rusty ,,,I think.......ran a 6.99 with it.........was like the
third car to into the 6s at the time..........He did not get caught......He
admitted to using it after the fact...........and since the car had passed
tech at the NHRA event .......the 6.99 was allowed to stay........so i guess
he would be a member of the 6 second club.........

tony

<go30...@radiks.net> wrote in message news:3B45C75A...@radiks.net...

[NITRO498]

I think that was Billy at Gainesville,driving the winnebago
probe.....................

[go30...@radiks.net]

what is the scoop about Scotty Cannon pressurizing the block with nitrous
oxide?
Mick

[Butch]

The Winnebago car that Billy drove was a Pontiac owned by Harold Stout.

Butcher

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[tonys]

Bill Glidden 3/12/95 Houston, Texas 6.999

found on nhra web site.........

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[RacerX70]

>Bob Glidden did not get caught using nitrous oxide........One of his kids
>used it.....

Both of his kids used it, actually... They had a major falling out over the
mess as well, as Bob admitted both that they did it, and how they did it. (and
yes, one of the cars WAS Harold Stouts). Bob went on to indirectly accuse Kurt
Johnson of it, but had no proof. He further went on to speak of rampant N2O
usage in Pro Stock at the time, but was told in not so many words to "FO" by
NHRA. This is probably one of the reasons he's sworn off drag racing.

Bob "Xman" Williams
#2096 Super Street
another SRA member
"Chance Favors the Prepared Mind"

[boboo]

Just what does "pressurize a block" mean? Other than a pressure cooling
system?
Nitrous Oxide is useful as an "adder" of oxygen to the combustion chamber.
That is it.
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[Mark]

I was wondering about this "pressurized block" thing too... You want
a low pressure in the block - that's why my BBC has Panavacs (a vacuum
created by the exhaust flow in the headers). And of course the big
buck boys actually use vacuum pumps to lower the pressure in the
crankcase.

Mark.

[go30...@radiks.net]

I don't know, thats why I was asking you guys , sounded kinda stupid to me
but they said they would pressurize the block??? Maybe they mean the top
side of the pistoms I don't know, maybe it was all the nitro fumes, hey I
am novice when it comes to these pisotn driven things
Mick

[MTXRACER]

what i think he mean's is the nitros was plumbed through the block to hide it
and then sprayed from there.
MTXRACER

[RacerX70]

>what i think he mean's is the nitros was plumbed through the block to hide it
>and then sprayed from there.
> MTXRACER

Actually, MTX, you're correct... the supposed way this was accomplished was by
"gun drilling" the motor plates, and hiding the solenoids inside the cage
tubing.

This is, of course, hearsay...

Further on hidden nitrous, the Wayne County guys were supposed to have had a
dummy battery and cables which concealed their system. There was a chat on
Compuserve a looooong time ago, in which Mike Thermos on NOS was the guest, and
he stated at that time he had 3 well known Pro Stock teams that were customers,
but would not reveal any of their identities.

[Ron Zeppin]

The Wayne County team did indeed get caught with NOS in their cars...It was
decided to keep it VERY quiet, but they could not go unpunished...they were
suspended for a few races, and in order to keep everyone from asking a bunch
of questions as to why, what happened, the whole story about their shop
being broken into, and totally vandalized and them unable to get a couple of
cars together for several weeks, was created!!

Also, Bob Glidden HIMSELF DID get caught with NOS on board also...I do not
remember where he had his system stashed, but I know someone who does...we
were talking about this a few weeks ago...I'll ask him when I see him on
Monday and post it here...

Unrelated to ProStock, but still Nitrous, Dale Armstrong was caught playing
around with it on Kenny's Funny car...talk about simplicity...he used one of
the two firebottles for the nitrous, and if I recall correctly, he used one
of the clutch timer solenoids as the nitrous solenoid, and simply ran the
line along the frame and right up in front of the injector hat. Looked just
like a fire system line. He got caught when one of the photo's of the car
showed a "Mist" coming from this line going into the injector hat!!

Ron

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[Mark]

On Sat, 14 Jul 2001 09:01:49 -0700, "Ron Zeppin"
<zip...@extremezone.com> wrote:

>Also, Bob Glidden HIMSELF DID get caught with NOS on board also...I do not
>remember where he had his system stashed, but I know someone who does...we
>were talking about this a few weeks ago...I'll ask him when I see him on
>Monday and post it here...

So Bob got caught, but there was no fuss made of it by NHRA? No press
coverage either. Not even speculation about Bob in the media? I've
never heard this, and it just sounds like a load of BS to me..

Bob knew Rusty was using it when Rusty ran the 6 with the Winnibago
(sp) car. And Bob made Rusty own up to it, or stay away from the
family. I heard it caused a lot of stress for the entire Glidden
family, because of Bob's hard line on the cheating issue.

Mark.

[Dornbos]

<< He got caught when one of the photo's of the car
showed a "Mist" coming from this line going into the injector hat!!
>>

Hi gang
I was under the impression that the reason NOS isn't allowed in t/f is that
when it's being used, there are no header flames.
Doug

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[Ron Zeppin]

Might be BS...Like I said, I got it second hand, but the guy I got it from
is (used to be) privvy to quite a bit of behind the scenes stuff...like
anything you read here; take it with a grain of salt.

Ron

>So Bob got caught, but there was no fuss made of it by NHRA? No press
>coverage either. Not even speculation about Bob in the media? I've
>never heard this, and it just sounds like a load of BS to me..
>
>

>Mark.

[NITRO498]

>Also, Bob Glidden HIMSELF DID get caught with NOS on board also.

NEVER HAPPENED...
way back when he was running IHRA,Glidden refused to a teardown.Instead of just
pumping a couple of cylinders,They wanted a complete teardown.Bob packed it up
and left.He never raced IHRA after that.........

>Unrelated to ProStock, but still Nitrous, Dale Armstrong was caught playing
>around with it on Kenny's Funny car...talk about simplicity...he used one of
>the two firebottles for the nitrous

Billy Meyer did that.The photo you are talking about was,in fact,a fuel return
line that never got completely torqued up!

It was Billy Glidden that ran the Winnebago PROBE ! Check the 6 second club.
Billy Glidden made the club using laughing gas!

Name Date Site E.T.
Kurt Johnson 5/20/94 Englishtown, N.J. 6.988
Darrell Alderman 8/5/94 Kent, Wash. 6.994
Warren Johnson 3/10/95 Houston, Texas 6.981

Bill Glidden 3/12/95 Houston, Texas 6.999

Scott Geoffrion 4/2/95 Gainesville, Fla. 6.985
Jim Yates 9/16/95 Reading, Pa. 6.999
Rickie Smith 5/18/96 Englishtown, N.J. 6.999
Jerry Eckman 8/3/96 Kent, Wash. 6.997
Mark Pawuk 10/26/96 Pomona, Calif. 6.993
Mike Edwards 10/27/96 Pomona, Calif. 6.995
Troy Coughlin 2/1/97 Pomona, Calif. 6.972
Steve Schmidt 3/7/97 Gainesville, Fla. 6.962
Bruce Allen 3/7/97 Gainesville, Fla. 6.978
Ray Franks 3/8/97 Gainesville, Fla. 6.997
George Marnell 3/8/97 Gainesville, Fla. 6.999
Mike Thomas 4/11/97 Commerce, Ga. 6.988

[Butch]

The Winnebago car driven by Billy was a Pontiac owned by Harold
Stout....not a Probe.

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[dilley]

Butch wrote:
>
> The Winnebago car driven by Billy was a Pontiac owned by Harold
> Stout....not a Probe.

I shot a pic of that car at Rockingham in '95 and
it was a Probe.

Ron

[Mark]

On Sun, 15 Jul 2001 15:57:33 GMT, dilley <funn...@mediaone.net>
wrote:

Yup, it was a Probe. In fact it was one of Bob's old Probes, that
never got close to running a 6 with Bob's legal horsepower under the
hood.

Mark.

[James Morgan]

Glidden refused a teardown in the pits where his top secret heads and intake
( the one he put his jacket over after the Atlanta crash) would be open for
his competitors to see. Said he would be more then willing to take it into
the tech barn but was not gonna do it with a horde of prying eyes. Other Pro
stock teams said they would back Glidden up and leave with him if the IHRA
forced a public tear down. Glidden left and they stayed, Bob learned who his
buddies weren't. In an SS&DI article he named these competitors and said
quite bluntly that he "wouldn't let them lick the sweat off his balls if
they were dying of thirst". Gads, drag racing was a lot more fun before the
corporate weenies sucked the life out of it.

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[go30...@radiks.net]

Thank you James , Finally an answer I can swallow, eeewwww wait , bad choice of
words, finally and answer I can believe.
Mick

[Larry Heath]

The deal here was they wanted him to tear it down out in front of god and
everyone. He, I am told, said that he would be happy tear it down in a
trailer or building, but not out in front of everyone in the pits. They said
here and now, he said pound sand, and packed up and left the grounds. Now I
am sure most people are well aware that Glidden was very very secretive
about all his stuff, he would not ever pull an engine apart for everyone in
the pits to look at, be it NHRA,IHRA or his own grandmother. Hell there was
the time that he went ass over tea kettle at one race and what was the first
thing that he does when he crawled out of the wreckage, throw his coat over
the manifold before anyone got there, so no one could look down into the
manifold, as the carbs were ripped off.

Hell I couldn't blame him a bit. It sure don't sound like Bill Bader asking
him to do something like that but who knows.

Later Larry

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[STU]

I thought he was covering the carbs, and years later I was told he was
the first and only racer for a while to use split dominators. He would
buy 4 and mill off two barrells, so he then had 4 two barrels and
complied with the 8 venturi rule. This meant he could straighten the
intake runner increasing air speed to the valve.

Maybe i was told this because it sounded interesting to the person who
told me, but I do remember the vision of Bob wrapping the engine and
he has been a hero of mine ever since.

Regards
STU BOND
Perth Western Australia

[Ski]

What made this even MORE difficult was Motorcraft, Glidden's sponsor at the
time, was the title sponsor of the race where this happened.

Wrenchski
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[Dornbos]

<< It sure don't sound like Bill Bader asking
him to do something like that but who knows. >>

Hi gang

If I'm not mistaken, this was way before Bader. Maybe even when Billy Meyers
owned the thing? Hey, how many owners has IHRA had? Larry Carrier, Billy
Meyers, Prolong Lubricants, Bill Bader, SFX Inc., who am I missing?

[Butch]

I was going strictly by memory, I thought I remembered it being a
Pontiac....sorry, my bad.

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[CRD]

You are correct. This happened under Satan's, I mean, Billy Meyer's
ownership. Another team (I believe Reher and Morrison) also packed up and
left. Both teams were suspended for a year and never came back. As for IHRA
owners, you had the order right, but you left out a couple. After Meyer was
Ted Jones and Jim Ruth. After Ruth died, a group of 8? investors took over.
They included Jim Yates, Carlton Phillips, and Sonny Leonard, among others.
Then Prolong.

Charles

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[scottc]

Larry Heath has it exactly right. My info coming from an IHRA pro stock
racer who was at that event. If I recall it correctly not only did
Glidden pack up and leave, Bruce Allen and the Reher-Morrison team also
left the event for the same reason. Reher-Morrison not with as many
secrets just principle I suppose. For Glidden it was his last IHRA
appearance and probably kept him from collecting the $100,000 dollar
bonus IHRA was paying to any driver in the pro ranks that could win both
events at the Texas Motoplex. He won the 1st race but did not show for
the 2nd after the events at Michigan. By the way, Eddie Hill and Ace
McCulloch collected on the bonus money.

scottc

[Dornbos]

Charles
thanks for the info.

[Ken Thompson]

I think it was Bill that nitroused the probe that he was running. He then
showed how it was done. This is why Bob quit racing. Then a mysterious
break-in at the Alderman's camp.
<go30...@radiks.net> wrote in message news:3B45C75A...@radiks.net...

[fg1h...@hotmail.com]

On Friday, July 6, 2001 at 9:12:42 AM UTC-5, go30...@radiks.net wrote:
> Don't get me wrong I admire people like Bob Glidden and I look at Drag
> Racing like the game King Oil, you can cheat as long as you don't get
> caught.
> I swear I heard stories about Bob and some of his antics, ie:
> pressurizing the block,
> from people like Scotty Cannon who did the same or so the stories go.
> Anyone know if this is true? any other stories.
> remember I don't want anyone to slam the guy, just a discussion.
> Mick

Bob Glidden exposed racers using nitrous when the NHRA couldn't catch them and was black balled.