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Malcolm William Mason

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Sep 26, 2005, 1:55:28 AM9/26/05
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I believe someone posted a message about a Saab 9-5 with HOT against a
Coutanche.

The name is familiar to me (Coutanche) but I just cannot place it. Is it
a model of a manufacturer..Italian seems right but I am only vaguely
recalling or else having a senior moment.

Malcolm Mason

Pidgeonpost

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"Malcolm William Mason" <mwm1(spam)@JHU.edu> wrote in message
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.....'Coutanche' doesn't ring any bells, but maybe you mean the Lamborghini
Countach - Italian muscle car...?
Have a look here....http://www.countach.cc/index.html


Pooh Bear

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Sep 26, 2005, 3:13:14 AM9/26/05
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Pidgeonpost wrote:

Dunno about 9-5 vs Countach but apparently a 9000 Aero would ( does )
out-accelerate almost everything in a 60-80 ? mph overtaking manoeuvre.

Grham


Paul Halliday

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Sep 26, 2005, 3:24:55 PM9/26/05
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in article t23fj11qshda7uvcd...@4ax.com, Malcolm William Mason

Lambo ... and it's a Countach :)

Very retro close-up. There's one at the Car Museum in Batley, West Yorkshire
(UK). I bet a 9-5 HOT would piss all over it, without looking at the
specifications.

Paul

1989 900 Turbo S
http://saab.go.dyndns.org/

NeedforSwede2

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Sep 26, 2005, 5:40:55 PM9/26/05
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In article <BF5E0996.15E50%pj...@blueyonder.co.uk>, pj...@blueyonder.co.uk
says...

>Very retro close-up. There's one at the Car Museum in Batley, West Yorkshire
>(UK). I bet a 9-5 HOT would piss all over it, without looking at the
>specifications.
>
Later model Countach versions had 400Horses mid engined rear drive I
think.

Depends on what definition of Piss on you use.
On fuel economy certainly.

http://members.fortunecity.com/megacarman1/id179_m.htm
http://www.lambocars.com/archive/countach/lp400s.htm

A 9k Aero and a 9-5 HOT Aero are good cars, and you can see to reverse,
but they can't quite "piss on" those specs.
--
Carl Robson
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David Taylor

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Sep 26, 2005, 6:07:42 PM9/26/05
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> http://www.lambocars.com/archive/countach/lp400s.htm

Production : 150
Chassisnr. : 112.0001 - 112.0300

Something not quite right about those numbers!

> A 9k Aero and a 9-5 HOT Aero are good cars, and you can see to reverse,
> but they can't quite "piss on" those specs.

No but you'd be a little ticked off in your supercar to have this damn
Saab Aero, not *that* far behind looking at any of the numbers.

0-60, 5.6 vs 6.7, on the road that's not that much, after 6 to 7 seconds
to only have one second difference or thereabouts. At that speed we are
nagged to leave a two second gap.

Then on the 1/4 mile, it's not that obscene either. On numbers alone,
the Countach might have more HP but the torque isn't that high for the
lower speed stuff, handy for the top speed but seriously, where can you
sustain such a high top speed safely apart from the usual quoted places.

It would be a fun comparison to do, sure the Saab will lose but fun to
see by how much/little depending on your point of view. :)

David.

Malcolm William Mason

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Sep 26, 2005, 11:48:56 PM9/26/05
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You Got it! But how is Countach promnounced?

Count... tack?

Coon... tawsh?

Please excuse the phonetics.

Malcolm Mason

James Sweet

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Sep 27, 2005, 12:05:15 AM9/27/05
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"Malcolm William Mason" <mwm1(spam)@JHU.edu> wrote in message
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Coon-tawsh


NeedforSwede2

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Sep 27, 2005, 4:14:19 AM9/27/05
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In article <MPG.1da28228d...@news.cable.ntlworld.com>,
djta...@bigfoot.com says...

> It would be a fun comparison to do, sure the Saab will lose but fun to
> see by how much/little depending on your point of view. :)
>
Oh I agree.
But 1.1 seconds to 60 might not sound much, but it can feel like a
lifetime.
I watched the top gear where an Evo kept up with a Murcialago.
And yes I know they are both roughly 400bhp (FQ400 Evo), 4x4 and more
modern.

David Taylor

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Sep 27, 2005, 5:07:42 AM9/27/05
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> But 1.1 seconds to 60 might not sound much, but it can feel like a
> lifetime.

Certainly it might feel like it in the seat of your pants but still
frustrating for the faster car driver to look in his mirror and see that
that family saloon isn't exactly still on the starting block. :)

> I watched the top gear where an Evo kept up with a Murcialago.
> And yes I know they are both roughly 400bhp (FQ400 Evo), 4x4 and more
> modern.

They could have had some fun there and worked out which one would have
arrived first at a destination 500 miles away given that the Evo was
doing something like 8 mpg was it? Or was it even worse than that I
forget. Regular fuel stops kind of kill the fun!

:)

David.

MH

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Sep 27, 2005, 6:07:15 AM9/27/05
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>>>.....'Coutanche'

>> how is Countach promnounced?
>> Count... tack?
>> Coon... tawsh?
> ... an Evo kept up with a Murcialago.

Murciélago -Spanish for bat (the animal). The car is named after a fighting bull
named Murciélago.

--
MH
'72 97 '77 96 '78 95 '79 96
'91 900i

NeedforSwede2

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Sep 27, 2005, 10:07:40 AM9/27/05
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In article <dhb65q$dnv$1...@news6.zwoll1.ov.home.nl>, n...@thanks.no says...

> >>>.....'Coutanche'
> >> how is Countach promnounced?
> >> Count... tack?
> >> Coon... tawsh?
> > ... an Evo kept up with a Murcialago.
>
> Murciélago -Spanish for bat (the animal). The car is named after a fighting bull
> named Murciélago.
>
>
I knew it was named after a fighting bull. But my spelling stinks,
especially non english words.
I can usually get it enough for some one to get realise what I mean and
correct me.

Johannes

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Sep 27, 2005, 10:09:24 AM9/27/05
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Countach was a useless car. Far to wide and hardly any rear view visibility.
The way you reverse it is by hanging outside the car and looking backward.
A unique 80's iconic car, apart from that I remember you could also buy
a lookalike kit car with a small engine. Maybe there was a Court case?

Malcolm William Mason

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Sep 27, 2005, 10:23:15 AM9/27/05
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Thank you

Malcolm


On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 04:05:15 GMT, "James Sweet" <james...@hotmail.com>

Craig's Saab C900 Site

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Sep 26, 2005, 12:53:18 PM9/26/05
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Lamborginhi is the manufacturer. Dunno if I spelt it correctly though. 8-)

Craig.
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Come and explore our site, and check out our web-forums, mailing list, etc.

Skyclad

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Sep 27, 2005, 2:45:34 PM9/27/05
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Johannes wrote:
" I remember you could also buy a lookalike kit car with a small engine"

That would be the Pontiac Fiero you're thinking of, I believe.


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John B

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Sep 27, 2005, 3:33:54 PM9/27/05
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On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 18:45:34 GMT, Skyclad <Donot...@thisaddress.com> wrote:
>
> That would be the Pontiac Fiero you're thinking of, I believe.
>

Ah yes. I seem to recal something about Fieros tending to launch pistons out of
the engine and catch on fire.

John

Paul Halliday

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Sep 27, 2005, 4:36:11 PM9/27/05
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in article MPG.1da27b3ff...@news.individual.net, NeedforSwede2 at

carl....@bouncing-czechs.com wrote on 26/09/2005 22:40:

> In article <BF5E0996.15E50%pj...@blueyonder.co.uk>, pj...@blueyonder.co.uk
> says...
>> Very retro close-up. There's one at the Car Museum in Batley, West Yorkshire
>> (UK). I bet a 9-5 HOT would piss all over it, without looking at the
>> specifications.
>>
> Later model Countach versions had 400Horses mid engined rear drive I
> think.
>
> Depends on what definition of Piss on you use.
> On fuel economy certainly.

:)



> http://members.fortunecity.com/megacarman1/id179_m.htm
> http://www.lambocars.com/archive/countach/lp400s.htm
>
> A 9k Aero and a 9-5 HOT Aero are good cars, and you can see to reverse,
> but they can't quite "piss on" those specs.

Ah well ... I do get carried away when the heart takes control of the head!

th

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Sep 27, 2005, 5:57:16 PM9/27/05
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David Taylor wrote:
>>http://www.lambocars.com/archive/countach/lp400s.htm
>
>
> Production : 150
> Chassisnr. : 112.0001 - 112.0300
>

Which maybe is about the same amount of 9000 cars that have been
modified to around 400 hp engines. I wonder which of those is the fastest?

> Something not quite right about those numbers!
>
>
>>A 9k Aero and a 9-5 HOT Aero are good cars, and you can see to reverse,
>>but they can't quite "piss on" those specs.
>
>
> No but you'd be a little ticked off in your supercar to have this damn
> Saab Aero, not *that* far behind looking at any of the numbers.
>
> 0-60, 5.6 vs 6.7, on the road that's not that much, after 6 to 7 seconds
> to only have one second difference or thereabouts. At that speed we are
> nagged to leave a two second gap.
>
> Then on the 1/4 mile, it's not that obscene either. On numbers alone,
> the Countach might have more HP but the torque isn't that high for the
> lower speed stuff, handy for the top speed but seriously, where can you
> sustain such a high top speed safely apart from the usual quoted places.
>
> It would be a fun comparison to do, sure the Saab will lose but fun to
> see by how much/little depending on your point of view. :)

Probably a 400 bhp 9000 will not lose.

--
th

James Sweet

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Sep 27, 2005, 7:10:28 PM9/27/05
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Wouldn't surprise me, I worked with a guy who had one of those piles, never
did run right, eventually the transmission died and it sat in the parking
lot at work for 3 months until they finally made him haul it out of there.


Skyclad

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Sep 27, 2005, 7:55:04 PM9/27/05
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Actually I have had a Fiero for quite some time and it is very reliable.
Was using it as my daily driver until child number two arrived, needed more
space,
and ened up with my 9000 Turbo :).
It has a 2.8L V6 in the back, pretty quick car. I've been in Taxis with
600,000+ kms on the same 2.8L,
mine has 220,000 kms and going strong.
Like most any vehicle I've had ....if you take care of it, it will last.

As for the fires, the first model ( 4cyl in 1984 ) had a tendancy to blow
oil through a gasket onto a wiring
harness close to the exhaust....then break out the sticks and marshmallows.
That was corrected pretty
quickly, but stories like that tend to haunt a vehicle.

Well, there you go, just what everyone on a Saab forum wants info on a
Fiero!....Sorry ;).

Cheers,
Greg

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David Taylor

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Sep 28, 2005, 12:55:45 PM9/28/05
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> > Production : 150
> > Chassisnr. : 112.0001 - 112.0300
> >
>
> Which maybe is about the same amount of 9000 cars that have been
> modified to around 400 hp engines. I wonder which of those is the fastest?

I was referring to the chassis number range 001 to 300 and then a
production run of 150!

James Sweet

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Sep 28, 2005, 4:19:05 PM9/28/05
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"David Taylor" <djta...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
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I don't know if it's true of cars, but with many products it's not uncommon
for the serial numbers to not run sequentially, I'm not sure why they do
this though.


Dave Hinz

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Sep 28, 2005, 4:35:20 PM9/28/05
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On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 20:19:05 GMT, James Sweet <james...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> I don't know if it's true of cars, but with many products it's not uncommon
> for the serial numbers to not run sequentially, I'm not sure why they do
> this though.

oooh! oooh! I know this one, pick me!

Um. Sorry about that. But, serial numbering schemes can be quite useful
and a good way to build useful information into a non-obvious form.
Date coding is the most obvious - serial (or item) number 814, for
instance, is the 14th item of the 8th month. Switch to A, B, and C for
October, November, and December, and you can do up to 100 items per
month with just 3 digits. So, B93 would be the 93rd item in November,
that sort of thing.

Add a place of manufacture to it, and a year, and you could have something
like Sun Microsystems uses:

521k0001
^ Last digit of year of manufacture
^^ Week of that year in which item was produced
^ Location code showing plant where item was built
^^^^ Actual serialized number of items meeting previous criteria

So, if Sun built 53 servers in plant "k" that week, they'd be from
521k0001 to 521k0053, and next week it's start with 522k0001. There's
your gap.

Then again, it could just be something like "we left room for 500 and
didn't make that many". Hard to know.

Dave Hinz

James Sweet

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Sep 28, 2005, 6:44:28 PM9/28/05
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Nifty, so this IPC here was made in March of '91 in plant F, wherever that
is. Dang, now I'm gonna have to drag out the rest of the Sun boxes and have
a look.


David Taylor

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Sep 29, 2005, 5:09:23 AM9/29/05
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> Um. Sorry about that. But, serial numbering schemes can be quite useful
> and a good way to build useful information into a non-obvious form.
> Date coding is the most obvious - serial (or item) number 814, for

Good point and I should have thought of that given that many years ago
while on work experience I was tasked with designing a numbering scheme
for an electronics company's stores and I didn't start with part 0000001
and go upwards. :)

David.

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