Speed limiter???
Art & Kelly
to see your friends pull away from you at speed! Especially when you know
you can keep up!
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Rufus Leaking
108 mph ain't fast enough for you? Get an aftermarket chip and replace the
stock one, but take it to the track dude, the streets are no place to play
Mario Andretti or John Force...
Dave
"Hid in the reeds are eyes that peek,
voices I don't understand.
Flamingos fly endlessly,
To the silent sky"
BG
SunFire currently.
"Rufus Leaking" <djma...@aol.comtraalfaz> wrote in message
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Dan Snooks
wrote:
>108 mph ain't fast enough for you? Get an aftermarket chip and replace the
>stock one, but take it to the track dude, the streets are no place to play
>Mario Andretti or John Force...
>
>Dave
>
>"Hid in the reeds are eyes that peek,
> voices I don't understand.
> Flamingos fly endlessly,
>To the silent sky"
>
His particular situation is unnecessary, but if I was in a hurry (to
get to the hospital for instance), fast would be good. My '94 Sunbird
is limited around the same area, but right up to 100 mph it rides like
a dream, not at all difficult to control. I only take it there when
there is no traffic around and weather is clear, but I think in
emergencies limiters suck.
Just my 2 cents
Dan Snooks
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Clarion, Zapco, Orion ... will it ever end?
Rob
in there and the only way that you can get rid of the speed limiter is if
you have a buddy that works for a GM dealer of someone that you know that
owns a tech 2 scan tool then you can go into the computer to disable the
speed limit.
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Joseph Fair
high. Here's the deal with that. The computer was shot, and therefore, the
governor didn't work either. The car ran, and actually ran quite well flat
out. The speedo runs to 120, and it actually ran a lot farther than that.
My time vs. distance tells me that I was doing 139 mph. Not a whole lot
left in it, though. Probably 144 is it. That's with the 3100 V6 @ 160hp,
and the 4T60-E 4-speed OD trans. Now, if I could get rid of the governor,
get a K&N, good exhaust, performance chip, heck, maybe 151 mph! That's near
Mustang Cobra territory; it's at 154.
Joe
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speed rating of the stock tires. It would be no fun to have a tire
fly apart at 110+ MPH
D J Mann
>I also heard that GM puts the speed limiter on the cars because of the
>speed rating of the stock tires. It would be no fun to have a tire
>fly apart at 110+ MPH
There is another reason they put the limiting and it is related to the speed
rating of the tires. That reason is called Trial Lawyers.
Jim Erb
was limited at 105 mph. Next theory?
Jim
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> I also heard that GM puts the speed limiter on the cars because of the
> speed rating of the stock tires. It would be no fun to have a tire
> fly apart at 110+ MPH
BluCivicSiR
>My Grand Am GT came with Goodyear Eagles rated for 130 mph. The speed
>was limited at 105 mph. Next theory?
>Jim
Ummmm. Maybe because it's American. Wouldn't it start to fly apart at anything
over 105? Just curious.
BluCivicSiR
Lee C. Carpenter
anything
> over 105? Just curious.
>
> BluCivicSiR
You drive a blue Honda Civic? Boy, that must impress your friends.
L.C.
BluCivicSiR
>You drive a blue Honda Civic? Boy, that must impress your friends.
>L.C.
Do share what you drive to work Lee. I'm just dying here picturing you in a
shitheap like a Sunfire on your way to work. Seriously.
BluCivicSiR
Lee C. Carpenter
> BluCivicSiR
Depends on the weather and my mood. I have three:
1) 1989 Trans Am GTA
2) 1995 Grand Am SE
3) 2000 Bonneville SSEi
No Sunfires, Civics, or any other car in the "I can't afford a REAL sports
car" class. I use the GTA for fun, the SSEi for luxury, and the Grand Am
when I'm sick of paying 93 octane prices.
LC
GTP Racing
Are you people trying to tell me that no one here knows why it's there. How
about this one. Car manufactures make deals with the insurance companies to
make the cost of the insurance for the buyers more affordable by putting a
speed limiter on the automobiles. Some cars like TA's and Camaros are not a
concern because leaving the high cost of the insurance on them brings down
the cost for larger luxury automobiles. Go check into this. Why is it a
$15,000 compact car insurance more than my $28,000 Grand Prix GTP? So just
remember your paying for the rich guys insurance too if your driving a cigar
box. Even if you can replace the whole car on a weeks pay. Take care all you
smart(er) people. Drive safe. Hey if you want to have your car go fast then
the limiter. Drop you car out of a plane.
Wintek
the new Camaros, if you've got two Camaros with the exact same engine and trans
combo, but different tire options, the one with the better tires (I think WS6)
will have a higher speed limiter. They won't set the speed limiter higher than
the tire rating for fear of injury (and lawsuits). Seeing some of the yahoos
I know, that have gotten a hold of cars capable of high speeds, I'm very happy
there are speed limiters on their cars, for my safety as well as theirs.
On the Fiero newsgroup, we just (finally) finished a debate about people
traveling at higher speeds than are allowed. Some said it was only their
business, while most others thought it was the business of everyone on the
road. I agree. I don't want crazy people risking my life for me. I do a good
enough job of it myself. Most of the speed limiters are set more than high
enough for safe driving within the confines of that particular car. For example,
I would feel much safer traveling at 140 mph in a Corvette than a Sprint.
Manufacturers design cars to be able to take a certain speed, so they limit
it to that speed. Another example: The Fiero is somewhat stable at high speeds,
but the suspension is taken out of lower end GM cars like the Chevette.
Also, the headlight doors tend to rip off when you get it over 150 or 160 miles
(roughly). Obviously, GM didn't design the car to be driven that fast. Obviously
they didn't think any crazy people were going to stuff small blocks in them :)
Probably best to stick with the factory governor. I think they knew what they
were doing when they put it in. Unless you've completely modified your car and had
it inspected for safety at high speed, like high rated tires, four-point harness,
four-piston calipers, race pads ect...
As Dennis Leary says:
Of course that's just my opinion yaddy yaddy yadda..
Kris
BluCivicSiR
> 1) 1989 Trans Am GTA
> 2) 1995 Grand Am SE
> 3) 2000 Bonneville SSEi
>No Sunfires, Civics, or any other car in the "I can't afford a REAL sports
>car" class. I use the GTA for fun, the SSEi for luxury, and the Grand Am
>when I'm sick of paying 93 octane prices.
The only worth car of the lot is the Bonneville, although I'd personally leave
such cars to middle aged businessmen myself. The other two are destined to be
candle-holders. While you may not consider the SiR to be anything sporty, it
outperforms two of your three hands down, and god only knows will have better
reliability and resale value than all three.
Don't get me wrong, my girlfriend drives a Pontiac and many of my friends do
as well. I'm just not of the American motors mindset. I'm surfing this group
more for Sunfire related problems as my girlfriend's is turning out to be a
real lemon...
BluCivicSiR
BluCivicSiR
>Probably best to stick with the factory governor. I think they knew what they
>were doing when they put it in. Unless you've completely modified your car and
>had it inspected for safety at high speed, like high rated tires, four-point
>harness, four-piston calipers, race pads ect...
>Kris
No one should have to be going more than a resonable speed over the limit.
While I'd be the first to admit my heavy foot, I believe that speed governers
are a real need these days. Technology is allowing smaller cars to be even
faster than ever before. If your car is limited to a given speed, then so be
it. Racing is for the track, not the highway.
BluCivicSiR
Lee C. Carpenter
> BluCivicSiR
Blu's right on this one. When I started driving in the mid-70's you
constantly heard driver's saying they were going to "take it out on the
highway and see what she'll do". The last thing we need on our four lanes at
10:00 PM is little Johnny in Dad's Bonneville/Taurus/Camry seeing if he can
peg the speedo. These days, Johnny doesn't have to do this anymore, he just
has to be able to read.
LC
Lee C. Carpenter
"BluCivicSiR" <bluci...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> The only worth car of the lot is the Bonneville, although I'd personally
leave
> such cars to middle aged businessmen myself. The other two are destined to
be
> candle-holders. While you may not consider the SiR to be anything sporty,
it
> outperforms two of your three hands down, and god only knows will have
better
> reliability and resale value than all three.
>
> Don't get me wrong, my girlfriend drives a Pontiac and many of my friends
do
> as well. I'm just not of the American motors mindset. I'm surfing this
group
> more for Sunfire related problems as my girlfriend's is turning out to be
a
> real lemon...
>
> BluCivicSiR
Blu,
I'm interested to know the second car you figure your Si will beat. The
Grand Am is a gimme, but the Bonneville pushing 280 ft. lbs. of torque is
only 13 lbs of weight per ft. lb. The GTA is around 11 lbs. so I suppose you
concede that one. What is the Civic's ratio? I'm assuming your car is
unmodified as far as engine internals. If it's not, we're not talking about
a true Honda anymore.
Interested,
LC
Sik...@webtv.net
and we had to replace the head gasket at 37,000 miles. As for a Civic
being sporty, putting ground effects, lowering it and adding a farty
little lawnmower muffler doesn't make it a sports car by any stretch of
the imagination. l see those cookie cutter cars all day long with the
l'm so cool teenagers in them, of course l hear that awful muffler or
license plate rattling bass first. When my 2001 WS-6 T/A arrives we'll
see how cool they are then. l already beat them with my 69 GTO though.
l'm not saying Jap cars are bad (my current wife owns an lnfinity) but
90% of them just resemble something sporty without delivering the goods.
Something to think about when you come to a Pontiac group and trash
them.
l guess you can call me SunsetOrangeWS-6T/A
Lee C. Carpenter
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BluCivicSiR
>Most people here would tell you the Sunfire is crap, my ex-wife owns one
>and we had to replace the head gasket at 37,000 miles. As for a Civic
>being sporty, putting ground effects, lowering it and adding a farty
>little lawnmower muffler doesn't make it a sports car by any stretch of
>the imagination. l see those cookie cutter cars all day long with the
>l'm so cool teenagers in them, of course l hear that awful muffler or
>license plate rattling bass first. When my 2001 WS-6 T/A arrives we'll
>see how cool they are then. l already beat them with my 69 GTO though.
>l'm not saying Jap cars are bad (my current wife owns an lnfinity) but
>90% of them just resemble something sporty without delivering the goods.
>Something to think about when you come to a Pontiac group and trash
>them.
First of all let's get something clear here. I'm not out trashing Pontiacs
here. Suddenly, because I'm driving a Civic I'm automatically considered to be
doing so. The Sunfire is a big piece of shit. Period. Surprise surprise but
I'm more than entitled to my opinion. I've driven them..and they are nowhere
near Jap reliability or performance. Period.
As for your apparent concept of my Civic...you're falling deep into the nasty
world of generalization. It's not lowered, it's not wearing a body kit, it
doesn't have a lawmower muffler, nor any other aftermarket muffler for that
matter. What it does do is 0-60 in low sevens, and tops out at 140mph which is
more than enough to suite my needs quite nicely.
One final note on the subject. If the T/A was such a great ride..it wouldn't
be in one of it's last years of production.
BluCivicSiR
BluCivicSiR
>
>Blu's right on this one. When I started driving in the mid-70's you
>constantly heard driver's saying they were going to "take it out on the
>highway and see what she'll do". The last thing we need on our four lanes at
>10:00 PM is little Johnny in Dad's Bonneville/Taurus/Camry seeing if he can
>peg the speedo. These days, Johnny doesn't have to do this anymore, he just
>has to be able to read.
Too true. So many accidents these days with teenagers driving way to fast
without the experience to back them up when they need it. Just yesterday I was
passed on the right shoulder by two kids in an Acura Integra. Needless to say,
but the shoulder switched to grass and gravel, and the Acura took a header
across three lanes and into the divider when the kid had a panic attack and
hit the brakes.
BluCivicSiR
Rufus Leaking
>be in one of it's last years of production.
ahh, someone who only reads the headlines of articles... retooling both the
camaro and FB line for 2003-05 return
Casper
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Darren
wish. Slightest cross breeze and .. oops .. there it goes.
Cheers,
Darren.
Sik...@webtv.net
production is because most the GenX-ers (which includes me, l'm 25) want
little Hondas, Acuras, etc... They are under the impression that looks
sporty = sporty. l realize that real sports cars aren't cheap compared
to a Hyundai or a Daiwoo, etc... but a throw away car is just that,
however, if you want it bad enough you'll find a way to afford it (l
did, yes legally). l also understand that most people want a mediocre
car that has more wattage than Madison Square Gardens and more bass than
an L.A. earthquake but when they are 30 with massive hearing loss
they'll regret it. l'm not saying that's what your car is like but
that's what most of these l think l can, wannabe, compact, "sports" cars
are. And as for a Civic doing 140mph, if the tires didn't blow first
then a little pebble in the road would probably flip it. There are cars
that are built to be sports cars and there are cars that are built to
look like sports cars, as far as l'm concerned the Civic falls in the
latter category while the T/A is Definitely in the 1st category.
Casper
BluCivicSiR
>>One final note on the subject. If the T/A was such a great ride..it wouldn't
>>be in one of it's last years of production.
>ahh, someone who only reads the headlines of articles... retooling both the
>camaro and FB line for 2003-05 return
Ahh. One who bases conclusions on future events which have yet to take
place. Let's just wait and see for that one shall we. Word from several GM
plants in Canada is that it's a no go.
BluCivicSiR
BluCivicSiR
>I'd like to see a civic going 140mph. laugh ... talk about a death
>wish. Slightest cross breeze and .. oops .. there it goes.
>Cheers,
>Darren.
Come up to Toronto sometime. We'll do Montreal in a little over 3 hours. That
should satisfy your cravings.
BluCivicSiR
BluCivicSiR
I'd never try to argue that the T/A isn't a sports car. Whether it's a REAL
sports car remains to be seen. When I think of REAL sports car, I'm thinking
of cars like the NSX, the Ferrari, the Porche and so on. Ford Mustangs and
Camaro type cars are sporty cars, but nowhere near that range of performance.
While many people seem to argue that the Civic isn't sporty...compare it to
the competition in it's own price range. Sunfire? Cavalier? Golf? Corolla? I
mean seriously. At least give the damn car some credit. If I wanted to drive a
big block V8, I'd be driving one. Personal preference dictates that for the
moment I'm not. Nothing wrong with that is there?
To be honest, if Canadian winters weren't such a bitch, I'd be driving a
Mustang GT myself. Unfortunately, the weather here means putting it away from
the winter and I'm not interested in driving a shitbox to get me through the
winter. As it is, my Civic is for the winter months, which I'm on my
motorcycle from April to October.
BluCivicSiR
Lee C. Carpenter
"Al Gore"?
> No one should have to be going more than a reasonable speed over the
limit.
> BluCivicSiR
In article <39a5c86...@news.rdc1.bc.wave.home.com>,
fiero...@home.com (Darren) wrote:
>I'd like to see a civic going 140mph. laugh ... talk about a death
>wish. Slightest cross breeze and .. oops .. there it goes.
>Cheers,
>Darren.
Darren
If I want to go 140mph I'll do it in my Fiero thanks.
Cheers,
Darren.
On Fri, 25 Aug 2000 21:36:00 GMT, bluci...@hotmail.com
(BluCivicSiR) wrote:
>In article <39a5c86...@news.rdc1.bc.wave.home.com>, fiero...@home.com (Darren) wrote:
>>I'd like to see a civic going 140mph. laugh ... talk about a death
>>wish. Slightest cross breeze and .. oops .. there it goes.
>>Cheers,
>>Darren.
>
Njd1995 2000scc
makes a lot of sense. Now my dad has been a mechanic for about the last 35
years
Ive seen him work on them, ive even worked on a few myself and i havent seen
cars in worse shape than new imports, one good crash and you are in a hospital.
I got into a major accident where someone ran a red light when i was in my 85
grand prix (basically a tank on wheels). I collided with a honda and that car
did fair too well. I drove my car home and the honda piece of shit had to be
thrown on a flat bed. From that day forward i dont feel safe in foreign cars.
The only good cars are those made in the good old U.S. of A.
BluCivicSiR
>Wait, you have a civic and you are talkin trash about a trans am. Yeah that
>makes a lot of sense. Now my dad has been a mechanic for about the last 35
>years Ive seen him work on them, ive even worked on a few myself and i havent seen
>cars in worse shape than new imports, one good crash and you are in a hospital.
>I got into a major accident where someone ran a red light when i was in my 85
>grand prix (basically a tank on wheels). I collided with a honda and that car
>did fair too well. I drove my car home and the honda piece of shit had to be
>thrown on a flat bed. From that day forward i dont feel safe in foreign cars.
>The only good cars are those made in the good old U.S. of A.
Two words for you there Jimbo: RED and NECK. Just for your information JR,
Honda, GM, Chevy and Ford cars are ALL made in the USA. Idiot.
BluCivicSiR
Rufus Leaking
>Honda, GM, Chevy and Ford cars are ALL made in the USA. Idiot.
>
yes, but where does the money go in Honda's case?
Dennis G. Smith
bluci...@hotmail.com says...
> Two words for you there Jimbo: RED and NECK. Just for your information JR,
> Honda, GM, Chevy and Ford cars are ALL made in the USA. Idiot.
Except for the Chevys made in Canada and the Fords made in Mexico.
Evidently Jimbo just woke up from a 30 year nap and hasn't caught up
with current events.
Dennis