205 1.9 GTI No unleaded?
Détuning-man ou Alexandre
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PEUGEOT 205 GTi 130 ch AM92 158 900 km
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"miknik" <nos...@mitsi.co.uk> a écrit dans le message news:
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> Just bought a 1991 GTI and was browsing through the owners manual when
> I noticed it says you should not use 95 octane unleaded fuel, is this
> correct of all 1.9 GTIs or is mine late enough for me to get away with
> it? Really don't want to have to keep putting super unleaded in it....
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r
"Détuning-man ou Alexandre" wrote in message
> Hi, only 98 octane unleaded fuel in a XU9JA
>
Try Normal unleaded, but I think it will pink under load.
I'd recommend Optimax, it's what I use in my BX16v, and I can really tell
the difference between that and super-unleaded.
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r
G.T
> correct of all 1.9 GTIs or is mine late enough for me to get away with
> it? Really don't want to have to keep putting super unleaded in it....
As Alexandre said above, no way to put 95 RON and expect a correct working.
You even can't play on ignition timing, as compression ratios are too high
for running on 95, IIRC.
That's one of the sacrifices you have to do when driving a classic :-)
Regards,
G.T
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Rich D
"miknik" <nos...@mitsi.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Just bought a 1991 GTI and was browsing through the owners manual when
> I noticed it says you should not use 95 octane unleaded fuel, is this
> correct of all 1.9 GTIs or is mine late enough for me to get away with
> it? Really don't want to have to keep putting super unleaded in it....
Yeah, you have to run them on SUL or Optimax...
Erkka Hakkarainen - Inet.fi
(yours should be, if it's MANUFACTURED in 1991, not 1990?)
Fast way to check the ECU is to take a look at it... if it's a Motronic, it
should read so, with big letters on the ECU cover...
- EricH
"miknik" <nos...@mitsi.co.uk> kirjoitti
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> Just bought a 1991 GTI and was browsing through the owners manual when
> I noticed it says you should not use 95 octane unleaded fuel, is this
> correct of all 1.9 GTIs or is mine late enough for me to get away with
> it? Really don't want to have to keep putting super unleaded in it....
Erkka Hakkarainen - Inet.fi
versions to different countries. The European (France?, German, Nordic
countries) models had cat's since 1990...
- EricH
Even, if it has no cat, but has a motronic ECU you should be able to run
unleaded, with no prbl.
"miknik" <nos...@mitsi.co.uk> kirjoitti
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> On Tue, 28 Jan 2003 09:56:06 GMT, "Erkka Hakkarainen - Inet.fi"
> <erkka.ha...@pp.inet.fi> wrote:
>
> >If it has a Cat and motronic ECU, then you are ok with 95 octane unleaded
> >(yours should be, if it's MANUFACTURED in 1991, not 1990?)
>
> Cats came in 93, along with the drop in horse power. Made sure I
> didn't get one of those...
Détuning-man ou Alexandre
741C86 (205 GTi 1.9 130 ch 1987) : SP98 (XU9JA)
20CD62 (205 GTi 1.9 130 ch 1988-1992) : SP98 (XU9JA/K)
20CDF2 (205 GTi 1.9 105 ch) : SP95 or 98 (XU9J1/Z)
20CDK2 (205 GTi 122 ch) : SP95 or 98 (XU9JA/Z or /L)
Thanks to the manufacturer code (741C86 20CD62 20CDF2 etc), you can
deduce what unleaded you can use ;)
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PEUGEOT 205 GTi 130 ch AM92 159 400 km
Pete
retarding a bit?
"G.T" <g....@worldonline.fr> wrote in message
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G.T
> Surely this can be sorted by fitting different valve guides and then
> retarding a bit?
Retarding is OK, as it's a recommended mod on other 1.9i engines at Pug
(first of all, the XU9J2), the problem remains in the hi compression
pistons, I think.
Peter Crighton
>Hello,
>
>> correct of all 1.9 GTIs or is mine late enough for me to get away with
>> it? Really don't want to have to keep putting super unleaded in it....
>As Alexandre said above, no way to put 95 RON and expect a correct working.
>You even can't play on ignition timing, as compression ratios are too high
>for running on 95, IIRC.
>That's one of the sacrifices you have to do when driving a classic :-)
>
The recommendation may be that normal UL is not OK, but I've run mine
for several years on normal UL with no problems.
Try it and if it pinks then no you can't (it's probably down to
individual tolerances and my model is OK).
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Email To: pe...@p-cright.demon.co.uk
Dorothy Lamb
<em...@in.sig> writes
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Hi Folks,
I'm running the 205/309 2 litre GTI engine designed for leaded.
I talked to Castrol who make two apparently similar products.
1. "Valvemaster" provides consistent valve lubrication for normal
engines in place of the tetra-ethyl lead compound.
2. "Valvemaster Plus" as above also contains octane boost. After my
first
tank full of this, it was so good that I had a good technical
with their research people in Swindon, UK. In controlled test
runs I was getting performance 20% up on previous and 35 mpg.
Note that the amount you add must be measured fairly accurately,
you do NOT just add a syringe like someone said. But the container
is calibrated.
Both are widely available in UK. I buy from Halfords
accessories,
as the garages are of course owned by the petrol suppliers and know
nothing about this.
3. Your engine will suffer long term damage on LRP.
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Erkka Hakkarainen - Inet.fi
You can check the ECU type by taking a look at it (the gray box in the glove
compartment or below the steering column)... if it says Motronic written in
big big letters on the box cover, then it's a motronic version and you'll be
okay with 95 oct...
- EricH
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Taz
"Peter Crighton" <em...@in.sig> wrote in message
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When I bought my 1990 G reg 1.9 I also bought a Broquet (sits in tank - lead
substitute which lasts approx. 250,000 miles) This allows you to use
unleaded on all ages of car, and is backed up with a gaurantee.
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Martin
G.T
> If you are running on Bosch Motronic ECU, then you are okay with 95 Oct.
I don't know how were fit GTis in Finland, but here, Motronic ECUs only come
with cat'd engines, so in 1993. And the engine code changes as well,
becoming XU9JA/K. And if I remember correctly, we were talking about
non-cat'd GTis, so XU9JA, which notoriously use L-Jetronic ECUs.
Matt
Just a word of warning, Practical Classics magazine did a test on these
about 3-4 months ago and found that they didn't offer *complete* protection
for the engine.
If I can find the article I'll let you know.
Ta,
Matt
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TU3S 1.4 Carb
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Erkka Hakkarainen - Inet.fi
1993 is probably correct in England (?), however, my 1991 1.9 Gti has
Motronic and CAT, as should all Europe/Continent (French, German etc.)
models from late 1990 do...
Even if some models should have no cat but a motronic ECU, running 95 oct
should not be a problem, since the ECU controls the spark timing, hence
making the timigs automatically correct for 95 oct operation... Of course
the valve seals may present another story while running unleaded...
- EricH
"G.T" <g....@worldonline.fr> kirjoitti
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G.T
> 1993 is probably correct in England (?), however, my 1991 1.9 Gti has
> Motronic and CAT, as should all Europe/Continent (French, German etc.)
> models from late 1990 do...
No, at least not in France. The cat & Motronic only came in 1993.
> Even if some models should have no cat but a motronic ECU, running 95 oct
> should not be a problem, since the ECU controls the spark timing, hence
> making the timigs automatically correct for 95 oct operation... Of course
If there's a Motronic, yes, but it involves we're talking of the XU9JA/K
engine, which has been modified for operation with 95. That's not exactly
the XU9JA.
The XU9JA/K was only fitted here since '93 (which corresponds with the last
year of the 205 GTi, here).
> the valve seals may present another story while running unleaded...
No, as they are made of cast iron, like all XUs. The compression ratio
should be the problem.
Erkka Hakkarainen - Inet.fi
unleaded fuel. That makes thing quite a bit easier, since leaded fuel is
becoming a rarity in Finland and the hazzle with additives is annoying...
Funny thing, how the models differ from year to year and contry to country.
In Finland we had compulsory cat's since the beginning of 1992, but most
cars had them allready in 1990-1991 models...
So do all French/English 205 Gti's have Jetronic before 1993? 'Cause I'm
thinking of importing one (from Germany or France) for spare parts...
- EricH
"G.T" <g....@worldonline.fr> kirjoitti
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G.T
> So do all French/English 205 Gti's have Jetronic before 1993? 'Cause I'm
Well, at least in France (I'm not really sure about UK cars). The point is,
I can't remember when 205GTis switched from the non-cat to cat'd version.
July '92 or January '93. And, yes, they all have Jetronic EFI before being
cat'd.
> thinking of importing one (from Germany or France) for spare parts...
GTis are so rare in Finland ? Still, some famous Finn pilots ran & won with
205s :-) (correct me if I'm wrong: Vatanen, Salonen, Kankunnen at least).
Dave Baker
>From: "Taz" T...@devil.net
>Date: 23/02/03 08:40 GMT Standard Time
>Message-id: <b3a1i7$7m6$1...@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>
You wasted your money then because they do precisely nothing. If it was a lead
substitute that actually did anything it would need to be the size of a dustbin
to last 250,000 miles. The tin pellets inside those things aren't even soluble
in petrol anyway.
Dave Baker - Puma Race Engines (www.pumaracing.co.uk)
You're a big man but you're in bad shape. With me it's a full time job. Now
behave yourself. (Michael Caine in Get Carter)
Dave Baker
>Date: 25/02/03 11:04 GMT Standard Time
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>
>Hello,
>
>> 1993 is probably correct in England (?), however, my 1991 1.9 Gti has
>> Motronic and CAT, as should all Europe/Continent (French, German etc.)
>> models from late 1990 do...
>No, at least not in France. The cat & Motronic only came in 1993.
>
>> Even if some models should have no cat but a motronic ECU, running 95 oct
>> should not be a problem, since the ECU controls the spark timing, hence
>> making the timigs automatically correct for 95 oct operation... Of course
>If there's a Motronic, yes, but it involves we're talking of the XU9JA/K
>engine, which has been modified for operation with 95. That's not exactly
>the XU9JA.
>The XU9JA/K was only fitted here since '93 (which corresponds with the last
>year of the 205 GTi, here).
>
>> the valve seals may present another story while running unleaded...
>No, as they are made of cast iron, like all XUs. The compression ratio
>should be the problem.
>
1) It's the valve guides not the stem seals that are made of metal
2) All XUs have bronze guides not cast iron.
3) Guide material has nothing to do with the ability to run unleaded anyway so
it's academic what they are made of.
4) It isn't the compression ratio either because none of the 1.9s had more than
about 9.2:1 despite what some of the manuals say.
5) Any 1.9 XU can run unleaded with the correct ignition timing. The higher
compression ratio of the 1.6 makes it more likely to pink but retarding the
ignition is all that's necessary.
6) Why does any discussion about unleaded on usenet turn into complete drivel
at the first opportunity?
Détuning-man ou Alexandre
> Well, at least in France (I'm not really sure about UK cars). The point
is,
> I can't remember when 205GTis switched from the non-cat to cat'd version.
> July '92 or January '93. And, yes, they all have Jetronic EFI before being
> cat'd.
Oct.92 ;-)
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PEUGEOT 205 GTi 130 ch AM92 159 800 km
G.T
> 1) It's the valve guides not the stem seals that are made of metal
> 2) All XUs have bronze guides not cast iron.
I was talking of valve seats, which are made of cast iron, embeeded into the
(alloy) head.
> 3) Guide material has nothing to do with the ability to run unleaded
anyway so
> it's academic what they are made of.
No, but the way valve seats are done has something to see, AFAIK. I mean,
whether they're reinforced or not.
> 4) It isn't the compression ratio either because none of the 1.9s had more
than
> about 9.2:1 despite what some of the manuals say.
I have an article stating that the XU9JA has a compression ratio of 9.6. 9.2
was the value for the XU9J2, IIRC.
> 5) Any 1.9 XU can run unleaded with the correct ignition timing. The
higher
> compression ratio of the 1.6 makes it more likely to pink but retarding
the
> ignition is all that's necessary.
Not sure about the JA version. If they really run at 9.6, I doubt. The
Gentryes & late CTis had a "low power" XU9 with only 105HP (Jetronic & cat).
I don't know why such a so low power. Certainly it has a big torque. And,
perhaps compression ratios were lowered for unleaded 95.
> 6) Why does any discussion about unleaded on usenet turn into complete
drivel
> at the first opportunity?
No clue :-)
G.T
> Oct.92 ;-)
THX. I guess you come when the battle ended. You could have helped a bit
before. I can't believe I must do your work :-)
Oh, and BTW, next time the guy from Autoweb-France wants to set a list of
recent Pug engines, and as long as he says he uses your site's info, check
his work twice. This bloody showroom mechanic has forgotten some engines in
the XU range. For example, no sign of the XUD7, XUD7T, nor XUD7/L and
XUD7T/L. Not sure he K version existed, perhaps at export - the XUD7 version
existed, but with no suffix (161A).
Détuning-man
> THX. I guess you come when the battle ended. You could have helped a bit
> before. I can't believe I must do your work :-)
Petit bonhomme, je l'ai fait lors du post initial, pas 3 semaines après
;-)
> Oh, and BTW, next time the guy from Autoweb-France wants to set a list of
> recent Pug engines, and as long as he says he uses your site's info, check
> his work twice. This bloody showroom mechanic has forgotten some engines
in
> the XU range. For example, no sign of the XUD7, XUD7T, nor XUD7/L and
> XUD7T/L. Not sure he K version existed, perhaps at export - the XUD7
version
> existed, but with no suffix (161A).
Ben on a pris que les moteurs nobles :-)))
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PEUGEOT 205 GTi 130 ch AM92 159.800 km
Page perso sur les PEUGEOT 205, 309 et 405 : www.peugeot83-99.fr.st
ICQ : 69621461
Dave Baker
>Message-id: <3e60d01b$0$241$626a...@news.free.fr>
>
>Hello Dave,
>
>> 1) It's the valve guides not the stem seals that are made of metal
>> 2) All XUs have bronze guides not cast iron.
>I was talking of valve seats, which are made of cast iron, embeeded into the
>(alloy) head.
Valve seats are never made of cast iron in modern aluminium head engines. It
hasn't been used for 30 years. Valve seats are made of various grades of steel
or can be sintered steel/bronze mixtures as well as a number of other
materials. They are all capable of running on unleaded although service life
will depend on material quality.
>
>> 3) Guide material has nothing to do with the ability to run unleaded
>anyway so
>> it's academic what they are made of.
>No, but the way valve seats are done has something to see, AFAIK. I mean,
>whether they're reinforced or not.
>
>> 4) It isn't the compression ratio either because none of the 1.9s had more
>than
>> about 9.2:1 despite what some of the manuals say.
>I have an article stating that the XU9JA has a compression ratio of 9.6. 9.2
>was the value for the XU9J2, IIRC.
I have a piston catalogue that lists the 2C from 1986 to 1987 as 9.3, the 2C
from 1987 on as 10.2 and the JA as 9.6. It also lists the same piston for all
three. Seeing as the cylinder head and gasket never changed it would be a minor
miracle if the compression ratio had changed on the same piston. The people who
write catalogues don't actually strip engines down and measure them. I do. The
compression ratio was never higher than 9.2. Just about every listing I've ever
seen for the internal specifications of any of these engines is a load of
bollocks.
G.T
> Petit bonhomme, je l'ai fait lors du post initial, pas 3 semaines
après
> ;-)
Marrant, je t'ai pas vu.
> Ben on a pris que les moteurs nobles :-)))
LOL ! Alors, que fait ces bâtards de D12/TD12 ? Le nombre impair de soupapes
(même s'il est techniquement intéressant) peut le faire passer pour un
moteur manquant de noblesse :-)
Pendant que je te tiens, sur les XU, les sièges de soupapes sont bien en
fonte, je l'ai pas rêvé ?
a+,
Dave Baker
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>
>Salut,
>
>> Petit bonhomme, je l'ai fait lors du post initial, pas 3 semaines
>après
>> ;-)
>Marrant, je t'ai pas vu.
>
>> Ben on a pris que les moteurs nobles :-)))
>LOL ! Alors, que fait ces bâtards de D12/TD12 ? Le nombre impair de soupapes
>(même s'il est techniquement intéressant) peut le faire passer pour un
>moteur manquant de noblesse :-)
>
>Pendant que je te tiens, sur les XU, les sièges de soupapes sont bien en
>fonte, je l'ai pas rêvé ?
Si mec, vouz l'avez rêvé. Acier.
Détuning-man
> >fonte, je l'ai pas rêvé ?
>
> Si mec, vouz l'avez rêvé. Acier.
Source RTA, je peux faire un scan de la page...
Détuning-man
> après
> > ;-)
> Marrant, je t'ai pas vu.
attends www.google.fr powaaaaaaaaaaaa
http://minilien.com/?8CGF7hVBqf
bonne lecture ;-)))
> > Ben on a pris que les moteurs nobles :-)))
> LOL ! Alors, que fait ces bâtards de D12/TD12 ? Le nombre impair de
soupapes
> (même s'il est techniquement intéressant) peut le faire passer pour un
> moteur manquant de noblesse :-)
Alors, c'est manu qui l'a fait...
> Pendant que je te tiens, sur les XU, les sièges de soupapes sont bien en
> fonte, je l'ai pas rêvé ?
Je regarde mon HAYNES et RTA...
Siège en fonte sur XU5J...
Dave Baker
>Date: 02/03/03 07:57 GMT Standard Time
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>
>> >Pendant que je te tiens, sur les XU, les sièges de soupapes sont bien en
>> >fonte, je l'ai pas rêvé ?
>>
>> Si mec, vouz l'avez rêvé. Acier.
>
> Source RTA, je peux faire un scan de la page...
Just because some desk jockey who spends his life copying information from one
bit of paper to another and has never actually seen a cylinder head in the
flesh has typed "fonte" somewhere in a manual doesn't make it so. I modify
engines, design engines, cut the valve seats in them with my own fair hands and
they aren't made of cast iron. Vouz pouvez faire un scan de la page to your
heart's content but they are made of steel. They may well be made of cast steel
rather than machined from solid bar and that's probably why someone has
confused it with cast iron and typed fonte. I can't say. I wasn't there when
the manual was written. But they aren't made of iron. End of debate.
G.T
> materials. They are all capable of running on unleaded although service
life
> will depend on material quality.
And the point was, indeed, that XUs were all fit with reinforced valve
seats, which is a good point to run on unleaded. The XUxJA series are listed
as unable to run on unleaded, I don't really know why - I assumed it was due
to their higher compression...
> compression ratio was never higher than 9.2. Just about every listing I've
ever
> seen for the internal specifications of any of these engines is a load of
> bollocks.
... I believe what you say, I'm not a mechanic, but (and that may be my
mistake, after all, why not) I always considered the manufacturer's datas as
reliable & true. When I need a Pug engine feature, I refer to an official
Pug spec.
G.T
> flesh has typed "fonte" somewhere in a manual doesn't make it so. I modify
> engines, design engines, cut the valve seats in them with my own fair
hands and
> they aren't made of cast iron. Vouz pouvez faire un scan de la page to
your
Before we all split venom trough the posts here, be sure I don't mean you
don't know engines, mechanics or whatsoever. I haven't the objective to
learn to you how to work, how to measure an engine's features, or so. Keep
in mind I could very well be considered as an (quasi-)electronician just a
bit interested in mechanics.
> the manual was written. But they aren't made of iron. End of debate.
No need to appear as agressive, Dave. We're just exchanging views. Let me a
week, I'm about to send a mail to Pug and I may come back with the "truth"
(if there's any) soon.
Dave Baker
>Date: 02/03/03 13:30 GMT Standard Time
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>
>Hello Dave,
>
>> flesh has typed "fonte" somewhere in a manual doesn't make it so. I modify
>> engines, design engines, cut the valve seats in them with my own fair
>hands and
>> they aren't made of cast iron. Vouz pouvez faire un scan de la page to
>your
>Before we all split venom trough the posts here,
What venom? I'm just practicing my French. Used to work there doncha know.
be sure I don't mean you
>don't know engines, mechanics or whatsoever. I haven't the objective to
>learn to you how to work, how to measure an engine's features, or so. Keep
>in mind I could very well be considered as an (quasi-)electronician just a
>bit interested in mechanics.
>
>> the manual was written. But they aren't made of iron. End of debate.
>No need to appear as agressive, Dave. We're just exchanging views. Let me a
>week, I'm about to send a mail to Pug and I may come back with the "truth"
>(if there's any) soon.
Agressive, moi ? Pas du tout mon petit chou. You still think you're going to
get a definitive answer from someone who holds a catalogue. It isn't going to
happen. The only place where the exact material specification of a valve seat
insert for a 15 year old engine design will be kept is at the bottom of some
long departed engineer's dusty file drawer. Even if they could find it they
aren't going to tell you what it says. Even if they did they aren't going to
say it's ok for unleaded when it's safer to just say no and avoid any possible
comebacks. Even if they told you the material spec you wouldn't know what it
meant because you have nothing to compare it with. What you also won't find out
is they'll use at least two or three different suppliers for any engine in
production in case a stock shortage causes them to halt the engine production
line. Every supplier will have a slightly different spec to their material.
There is no one true simple answer. You might as well spend your life trying to
find the Holy Grail.
Do a web search for "valve seat insert material". Look on this site in
particular:
Learn a bit about what they are really made from and then maybe you'll have
some "views" to exchange.
Détuning-man
> seats, which is a good point to run on unleaded. The XUxJA series are
listed
> as unable to run on unleaded, I don't really know why - I assumed it was
due
> to their higher compression...
Mon anglais baisse...
Tu dis que les XUxJA sont pas capable de rouler au sans plomb ???
De toute maničre, c'est pas un pb de plomb ou pas, mais d'indice
d'octane...
G.T
Et une autre bourde, aussi : si les moteurs Xxx apparaîssent effectivement
avec la 104, celle-ci est montée à Mulhouse (ce sera d'ailleurs la première
production de ce site) à partir de 1972, pas 1977. Ah, les gars, quand même,
celle-là, elle est grosse !
Détuning-man
Salut !
> Et une autre bourde, aussi : si les moteurs Xxx apparaîssent effectivement
> avec la 104, celle-ci est montée à Mulhouse (ce sera d'ailleurs la
première
> production de ce site) à partir de 1972, pas 1977. Ah, les gars, quand
même,
> celle-là, elle est grosse !
Evite de trop quoter comme un goret, on voit plus le rapport avec la
choucroute ;-)
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G.T
> What venom? I'm just practicing my French. Used to work there doncha know.
Well, I can't see a lot of Frenchies often posting here.
> Agressive, moi ? Pas du tout mon petit chou. You still think you're going
to
> get a definitive answer from someone who holds a catalogue. It isn't going
to
No, not really. But I have to believe the specs, as I don't have any
experience, moreover I use to take manufacturer figures, you don't have any
other choice excepted experience if, as me, you're studying electronics, for
example.
> happen. The only place where the exact material specification of a valve
seat
> insert for a 15 year old engine design will be kept is at the bottom of
some
> long departed engineer's dusty file drawer. Even if they could find it
they
I also guess this is the case.
> aren't going to tell you what it says. Even if they did they aren't going
to
> say it's ok for unleaded when it's safer to just say no and avoid any
possible
> comebacks. Even if they told you the material spec you wouldn't know what
it
> meant because you have nothing to compare it with. What you also won't
find out
I agree with you once again. I'm not an expert on materials' composition,
but if I ever had them, I could quite quickly find out what it is.
> Learn a bit about what they are really made from and then maybe you'll
have
> some "views" to exchange.
I'm going to do this. I must learn a lot of things, happilly I have some
years for that before I go.
G.T
> Mon anglais baisse...
Ben, faut croire, tu verras. C'est quand même ennuyant pour un gars qui fait
des études d'informatique :-)
> Tu dis que les XUxJA sont pas capable de rouler au sans plomb ???
Oui. Je crois qu'on était d'accord avec ça, non ?
> De toute manière, c'est pas un pb de plomb ou pas, mais d'indice
> d'octane...
Vrai. L'octane est un antidétonnant, et le fait qu'il soit moins présent
dans le 95 peut impliquer du cliquetis (et c'est ce qui se produit sur les
JA, je crois), ce qui peut être dû (cas général) à un taux de compression
trop élevé.
Mais c'est exactement ce que je disais, je reprends mon post :
> > And the point was, indeed, that XUs were all fit with reinforced valve
"Et le sujet était, en vérité, que les XU étaient tous équipés de sièges de
soupapes...
> > seats, which is a good point to run on unleaded. The XUxJA series are
> listed
... renforcés, ce qui est une bonne condition pour rouler avec du SP. Les
modèles XUxJA sont listés...
> > as unable to run on unleaded, I don't really know why - I assumed it was
> due
> > to their higher compression...
... comme incapables de rouler avec du SP, je ne sais pas vraiment pourquoi.
Je suppose que c'était à cause de leur taux de compression plus élevé"
C'est bien ce que tu disais, non ?
a+,
Détuning-man
> Ben, faut croire, tu verras. C'est quand même ennuyant pour un gars qui
fait
> des études d'informatique :-)
On parlait de ?
> > Tu dis que les XUxJA sont pas capable de rouler au sans plomb ???
> Oui. Je crois qu'on était d'accord avec ça, non ?
Tout à fait : tous les XU PEUVENT rouler au SP 98 !
> > De toute manière, c'est pas un pb de plomb ou pas, mais d'indice
> > d'octane...
> Vrai. L'octane est un antidétonnant, et le fait qu'il soit moins présent
> dans le 95 peut impliquer du cliquetis (et c'est ce qui se produit sur les
> JA, je crois), ce qui peut être dû (cas général) à un taux de compression
> trop élevé.
Exactement
> Mais c'est exactement ce que je disais, je reprends mon post :
>
> > > And the point was, indeed, that XUs were all fit with reinforced valve
> "Et le sujet était, en vérité, que les XU étaient tous équipés de sièges
de
> soupapes...
oui
> > > seats, which is a good point to run on unleaded. The XUxJA series are
> > listed
> ... renforcés, ce qui est une bonne condition pour rouler avec du SP. Les
> modèles XUxJA sont listés...
ok
> > > as unable to run on unleaded, I don't really know why - I assumed it
was
> > due
> > > to their higher compression...
> ... comme incapables de rouler avec du SP, je ne sais pas vraiment
pourquoi.
> Je suppose que c'était à cause de leur taux de compression plus élevé"
> C'est bien ce que tu disais, non ?
Ils sont complètement capable de rouler avec du SP98, TOUS !!
Là où tu as lu ça, ce sont de GROSSES conneries !! Une preuve ? Ouvre
ton mode d'emploi, une RTA, un HAYNES...
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Alexandre SEMONSUT
PEUGEOT 205 GTi 130 ch AM92 160.400 km
G.T
> > Ben, faut croire, tu verras. C'est quand même ennuyant pour un gars qui
> fait
> > des études d'informatique :-)
> On parlait de ?
De la capacité des XUxJA (XU9JA, ici) à rouler au SP (je l'ai pris comme un
sous-entendu au SP95).
> > > Tu dis que les XUxJA sont pas capable de rouler au sans plomb ???
> > Oui. Je crois qu'on était d'accord avec ça, non ?
> Tout à fait : tous les XU PEUVENT rouler au SP 98 !
... Mais les JA ne peuvent rouler au 95.
> Ils sont complètement capable de rouler avec du SP98, TOUS !!
Mais je parlais du 95. Si maintenant faut préciser... Le 95, anciennement
appelé (peut-être est-ce encore le cas, d'ailleurs) Eurosuper.
> Là où tu as lu ça, ce sont de GROSSES conneries !! Une preuve ? Ouvre
> ton mode d'emploi, une RTA, un HAYNES...
Ben justement, les docs que j'ai pompées sur 205gti.com (auquel j'ai apporté
une légère contribution) sont extraites du Hayne's.
Détuning-man
Salut
> > > Ben, faut croire, tu verras. C'est quand même ennuyant pour un gars
qui
> > fait
> > > des études d'informatique :-)
> > On parlait de ?
> De la capacité des XUxJA (XU9JA, ici) à rouler au SP (je l'ai pris comme
un
> sous-entendu au SP95).
Mauvaise démarche, il faut voir au cas par cas.
Le XU52C/K marche à tout sauf jus de betterave et fioul :-)) => Super au
plomb (donc 97° d'indice d'octane), SP95, SP98, GPL (si montage pour)
XU5J => Super au plomb 97, SP98 only !!! pas de SP95
XU5JA => idem au dessus, pas de SP95
XU5JA/K => tout, en adaptant l'allumage
XU9J2 => idem
XU9JA => indice d'octane supérieur à 97 donc super au plomb (le vrai) et
SP98
XU9JA/K => idem XU9JA
XU9JA/L ou /Z => SP95 ou 98, c'est tout
XU9J4/K => tout
XU9JA/Z => SP95 ou 98
> > > > Tu dis que les XUxJA sont pas capable de rouler au sans plomb
???
> > > Oui. Je crois qu'on était d'accord avec ça, non ?
> > Tout à fait : tous les XU PEUVENT rouler au SP 98 !
> ... Mais les JA ne peuvent rouler au 95.
Si, si, le XU5JA/K, le XU9JA/L et XU9JA/Z
> > Ils sont complètement capable de rouler avec du SP98, TOUS !!
> Mais je parlais du 95. Si maintenant faut préciser... Le 95, anciennement
> appelé (peut-être est-ce encore le cas, d'ailleurs) Eurosuper.
Et le SP 98, Superplus ;)
> > Là où tu as lu ça, ce sont de GROSSES conneries !! Une preuve ?
Ouvre
> > ton mode d'emploi, une RTA, un HAYNES...
> Ben justement, les docs que j'ai pompées sur 205gti.com (auquel j'ai
apporté
> une légère contribution) sont extraites du Hayne's.
Mouais, les sites kékés...
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Alexandre SEMONSUT
PEUGEOT 205 GTi 130 ch AM92 161.300 km
G.T
> > ... Mais les JA ne peuvent rouler au 95.
> Si, si, le XU5JA/K, le XU9JA/L et XU9JA/Z
J'ai plus le post initial, mais je crois bien qu'on parlait d'un vieux XU9JA
de '90, pas des versions dépolluées. Enfin, à l'export, on sait jamais
vraiment sur quel moteur on tombe...
> > Ben justement, les docs que j'ai pompées sur 205gti.com (auquel j'ai
> apporté
> > une légère contribution) sont extraites du Hayne's.
> Mouais, les sites kékés...
Tu t'en fous, une Hayne's reste une Hayne's, que ce soit pompé sur le site
officiel (peu probable) ou sur un site de Jacky. D'ailleurs, certaines
modifs proposées restent "propres", enfin je veux dire, dans un but de
compétition, comme la grille à débattement court (même si elle est connue
depuis des lustres ici).
Détuning-man
> > Si, si, le XU5JA/K, le XU9JA/L et XU9JA/Z
> J'ai plus le post initial, mais je crois bien qu'on parlait d'un vieux
XU9JA
> de '90, pas des versions dépolluées. Enfin, à l'export, on sait jamais
> vraiment sur quel moteur on tombe...
google powaa !
Si c'est un XU9JA => SP98
> > > Ben justement, les docs que j'ai pompées sur 205gti.com (auquel j'ai
> > apporté
> > > une légère contribution) sont extraites du Hayne's.
> > Mouais, les sites kékés...
> Tu t'en fous, une Hayne's reste une Hayne's, que ce soit pompé sur le site
> officiel (peu probable) ou sur un site de Jacky. D'ailleurs, certaines
> modifs proposées restent "propres", enfin je veux dire, dans un but de
> compétition, comme la grille à débattement court (même si elle est connue
> depuis des lustres ici).
pour en revenir à l'usage du SP, cf. ma page perso, c'est marqué dessus