The Nissan Model Difference? 240sx, 180sx, 200sx,
Miles
the 200. But i cant seem to find any english information on the 180
sx. The older 240's look like the 180's. Also what is the silvia.Is
that also the 240? Can some one help me out and identify the major
differences between these models. And would a skyline engine r34 gtr
fit into the older 240/180sx?
Miles
Leonard Edwards
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Peter Hill
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>yes the r34 motor would fit but youll need to do some changes , minor stuff
Fit slim electric (or blow though?) fans to make room in engine bay,
use r34 front subframe and motor mounts, need different gearbox
bellhousing and packing on gearbox mount, custom dump pipe to clear
steering box. It's supposed to give poor balance, the 4 pot KA/CA/SR
motors sit well back with no2 cylinder on the front axle line and the
RB engine will have no 4 on the front axle line.
Has anyone put a V6 in from a ZX300? The 200SX S12 had a V6 (USA
only) and I can see no reason why it won't go in a S13.
Either way not much point in putting a 6 in unless you need more than
600bhp from a CA18DET (opened up to 2.0L Norris Designs in UK for £16K
but they have to have the car to fit it) or 700bhp from a SR20DET. To
go above 700/750bhp with a RB engine you have to buy a special 2.7
block, they make about 6 a year and last time I looked it was about
£27K bare.
>"Miles" <skat...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> I know that there is a little bit of difference between the 240 and
>> the 200. But i cant seem to find any english information on the 180
>> sx. The older 240's look like the 180's. Also what is the silvia.Is
>> that also the 240? Can some one help me out and identify the major
>> differences between these models. And would a skyline engine r34 gtr
>> fit into the older 240/180sx?
>>
>> Miles
US 240SX came in S13 coupe and RS13 fastback variants (and
convertible) with KA24E and KA24DE motors. The Silvia was JDM coupe
with fixed lights and had CA18DE, CA18DET from 89-91, SR20DE and
SR20DET motors 91-94. The 180SX was JDM fastback with pop up lamps
and same engines as Silvia. The 200SX in the UK was a fastback with
CA18DET. Australia didn't get any 13's. NZ and south africa did but
I don't know names of models. Key differences are coupe or fastback
body, engine, differential ratio, fixed or pop up lights. Almost a
kit car to the point that later S14 and S15 front ends are also
interchangeable.
To add more confusion the previous S12 fastback was the 180SX in
Japan, 200SX in USA and Silvia in UK. The later S14 coupe was 240SX
in USA, Silvia in Japan and 200SX in the UK and Australia.
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Miles
>
> Fit slim electric (or blow though?) fans to make room in engine bay,
> use r34 front subframe and motor mounts, need different gearbox
> bellhousing and packing on gearbox mount, custom dump pipe to clear
> steering box. It's supposed to give poor balance, the 4 pot KA/CA/SR
> motors sit well back with no2 cylinder on the front axle line and the
> RB engine will have no 4 on the front axle line.
>
> Has anyone put a V6 in from a ZX300? The 200SX S12 had a V6 (USA
> only) and I can see no reason why it won't go in a S13.
>
> Either way not much point in putting a 6 in unless you need more than
> 600bhp from a CA18DET (opened up to 2.0L Norris Designs in UK for £16K
> but they have to have the car to fit it) or 700bhp from a SR20DET. To
> go above 700/750bhp with a RB engine you have to buy a special 2.7
> block, they make about 6 a year and last time I looked it was about
> £27K bare.
>
> US 240SX came in S13 coupe and RS13 fastback variants (and
> convertible) with KA24E and KA24DE motors. The Silvia was JDM coupe
> with fixed lights and had CA18DE, CA18DET from 89-91, SR20DE and
> SR20DET motors 91-94. The 180SX was JDM fastback with pop up lamps
> and same engines as Silvia. The 200SX in the UK was a fastback with
> CA18DET. Australia didn't get any 13's. NZ and south africa did but
> I don't know names of models. Key differences are coupe or fastback
> body, engine, differential ratio, fixed or pop up lights. Almost a
> kit car to the point that later S14 and S15 front ends are also
> interchangeable.
>
> To add more confusion the previous S12 fastback was the 180SX in
> Japan, 200SX in USA and Silvia in UK. The later S14 coupe was 240SX
> in USA, Silvia in Japan and 200SX in the UK and Australia.
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ok so let me get this right. they produce how much horsepower? 600bhp
from a CA18DET? How much is that engine? And is the engine that comes
with original 240sx good as well? I think its the KA24E and KA24DE
motors correct? If i was going to get a 1989 Nissan 240SX would those
motors be good. Im not lookin for anything fancy or spendy. I just
like that car alot. I have an 80's 200sx and I am going to sell it
soon. So the r34 will fit but 4 cylinders cant be over the front axle
along with the KA/CA/SR motors will 2 cylinders on the front axil? So
how much em I looking at if i was going to swap engines with an r34 or
get that CA18DET? which is better in your view? And whats easier to
swap?
Joseph Wind
Compared to the CA and SR which are sleeved aluminum blocks, the KA is a
cast iron block just like the VG30. Also you can't beat the displacement of
this block. It's only 200cc less than a RB26. From a drag racers
standpoint, it great, because of the weight savings.
I don't know where you live, but in the States, the KA was installed in all
factory 240sx' and Pickups. Elsewhere you'll either find a CA18 or an SR20.
Even if you sell your 200SX, you'll still need a boatload of money to do an
RB26 swap. An RB25 swap might save you a little, but still costly.
Good Luck!
JW
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Miles
> A few companies are currently doing R&D on the capabilities of the KA24DE.
> Compared to the CA and SR which are sleeved aluminum blocks, the KA is a
> cast iron block just like the VG30. Also you can't beat the displacement of
> this block. It's only 200cc less than a RB26. From a drag racers
> standpoint, it great, because of the weight savings.
>
> I don't know where you live, but in the States, the KA was installed in all
> factory 240sx' and Pickups. Elsewhere you'll either find a CA18 or an SR20.
>
> Even if you sell your 200SX, you'll still need a boatload of money to do an
> RB26 swap. An RB25 swap might save you a little, but still costly.
>
> Good Luck!
>
> JW
ok jw thanks, how much is a CA18 or an SR20 then? i know that skyline
engine is quite expensive it was only a dream. But are the ca18's
better then the ka's? i live in oregon so if emissions are different
here i am not sure of. so would a swap of a sr20 or ca18 be better
then the ka? im just lookin for a good engine with out spending more
then i need to. the rb25 is more then some cars these days, all help
is appreciated, thanks
miles
Peter Hill
>"Joseph Wind" <j...@gif.com> wrote in message news:<9704e$40479d12$43eb91c$16...@msgid.meganewsservers.com>...
>> A few companies are currently doing R&D on the capabilities of the KA24DE.
>> Compared to the CA and SR which are sleeved aluminum blocks, the KA is a
>> cast iron block just like the VG30. Also you can't beat the displacement of
>> this block. It's only 200cc less than a RB26. From a drag racers
>> standpoint, it great, because of the weight savings.
CA is cast steel and 20kg lighter than the sleeved alloy SR.
>> I don't know where you live, but in the States, the KA was installed in all
>> factory 240sx' and Pickups. Elsewhere you'll either find a CA18 or an SR20.
>>
>> Even if you sell your 200SX, you'll still need a boatload of money to do an
>> RB26 swap. An RB25 swap might save you a little, but still costly.
>>
>> Good Luck!
>>
>> JW
>
> ok jw thanks, how much is a CA18 or an SR20 then? i know that skyline
>engine is quite expensive it was only a dream. But are the ca18's
>better then the ka's? i live in oregon so if emissions are different
>here i am not sure of. so would a swap of a sr20 or ca18 be better
>then the ka? im just lookin for a good engine with out spending more
>then i need to. the rb25 is more then some cars these days, all help
>is appreciated, thanks
>
>miles
Depends on how much power you want. If you are OK with 225bhp then
turbo the KA though this may be a bit big and will do better with a
intercooler (10psi? 250bhp?) but not at that price.
http://shop.store.yahoo.com/phase2motorsports/grs14katdboo.html
200-500bhp SR 205bhp stock or CA 170bhp stock so the CA is not worth
doing unless you do modify it. RB or VG for more - around 250bhp
stock. SR is most popular swap in USA, so of the import motors has
best support and availability. With a VG you can get an engine that
has past emissions, you can walk into a Nissan dealer and get parts
just like you could for the 300ZX but this swap is rare so not a lot
of people can help. Someone was even taking about cutting up their
trans tunnel to weld in a 300ZX one but they were also going to weld
the front X-member in too. Best to look at what Nissan did to get the
N/A 3.0 in the '88 200SX V6 S12 - get sub frame and motor mounts for
that and a N/A VG30 should drop straight in so the turbo block should
go in the same way, may have to leave the hugh T5 transmission out
though and fit the FS5W71C gearbox.
Joseph Wind
S13 or S14 body. trying to fit a VG30 into a Silvia is very rare and just
as expensive as a RB swap.
Miles, your best bet is to swap an SR20DET Red Top into your 240SX. It can
be done for about $5K. Half of that if you DIY.
Good Luck!
JW
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