Why do people buy japcrap?
mark
In 1989 I was looking for a 4dr 4wd truck. The VERY FIRST place I went
to was a Jeep dealership. A salesman came out to greet me. We started
looking at some Cherokees. Within just a few trucks I found one with a
black door handle on the front door and a chrome door handle on the
rear. No quality here. THAT'S STRIKE ONE.
I kept looking on the lot. A few trucks later, I find one that's
missing a front lug nut. No quality here. THAT'S STRIKE TWO.
I say to the salesman, let's keep looking. I really want to buy
American. We stop and pop the hood on a few. Well, there's a 3 inch
long bolt laying on the top of the radiator. No quality there. THAT'S
STRIKE THREE. I leave.
I ended up getting a Montero. It's got 247,000 miles on the original
drive train.
In 1989, obviously, Jeep didn't give crap about a quality truck. Maybe
today things have changed. When I'm in the market for a new truck,
I'll check the American trucks first. The bottom line is that I'll not
pay good money for shoddy work, American, Japanese or German.
You are entitled to your opinion, as we all are.
Why don't you offer some facts?
On Mon, 11 Nov 2002 15:41:07 GMT, "Pride of America"
<import=tre...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Ignorants buy Japcrap because they were too brain dead to find the American
>dealership
>
mg
retire my Montero in the next year or so. When I do, I can assure you,
I'll look at all the American models.
Thanks.
On Mon, 11 Nov 2002 17:04:16 GMT, "Pride of America"
<import=tre...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"mark" <m_gra...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> I probably shouldn't even reply, but here goes....
>>
>Maybe
>> today things have changed.
>
>Obviously, go take a 2002 Jeep for a test drive you will love it
>
Pride of America
>
> today things have changed.
Obviously, go take a 2002 Jeep for a test drive you will love it
Pride of America
Mark Browne
one of them.
Unfortunately, none of them said Ford or GM on the grill.
Perhaps someday Ford of GM will copy the clever Japanese and learn how to
make an efficient car.
Then I will buy one.
Have a nice day TTT.
Mark Browne
"Pride of America" <import=tre...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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The Cookie Monster
I bet my eclipse has more american made parts in it then your chevy.
If you wanna knock a foriegn car stick with honda or toyota. And do
your homework next time before you post something
DSMDealer1
>If you wanna knock a foriegn car stick with honda or toyota. And do
>your homework next time before you post something
>
Not to bust your bubble so to speak (especially since this other guy is such an
idiot), but most of the parts in the 90-99 Eclipse are from Japan. Yes, they
are assembled in Normal, IL, but comprising of mostly Japanese parts.
Pride of America
(takes one to know one)
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phil
no, it really doesn't....... you seem to have problems with logic.
perhaps trying to make sense is something you should back away from.
"Pride of America" <import=tre...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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DSMDealer1
>
>(takes one to know one)
Yes, I suppose I am, since I lowered myself enough to reply to any thread that
you're involved in.
However, by your logic, you're anti-american as well. (takes one to know one,
right?)
Charles C. Curran
(mitsubishi lancer oz rally) and most part come from japan. maybe you are
wrong (dsmdealer1)
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closet
>>Ignorants buy Japcrap because they were too brain dead to find the American
>>dealership
>>
>>
My 92 Mitz Expo was manufactured in Ohio, all of my familys "Americn"
cars were made in Canada.....................you Ignorant S**T HEAD
P Brathwaite
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DSMDealer1
>(mitsubishi lancer oz rally) and most part come from japan. maybe you are
>wrong (dsmdealer1)
Read the posts a little more closely, I was the one stating that most of the
parts are manufactured in Japan...
Dracas
You know that Ford Focus, sitting out in peoples driveway? You really think
americans made that car? It was designed by a Japanese design team. Ford
is a crappy sell out, screw them, I'd rather get a Mitsubishi or Nissan,
where at least their honest and don't tell you its american while its
designed and assembled in Japan. Anything that says "Rally Sport Inspired"
is european or japanese.
Only American company that has Japanese intervention that I can tolerate is
Dodge. Back in the 'Wonderyears', I like to call them, they created a
companionship called Diamond Star Motors and made some of the most powerful
and reliable Motorsport vehicles ever to have hit the track, the fastest car
in the world is Sean Glazers Eagle Talon TSi, The same engine, make, and
Chassis as the Plymouth Laser, and Mitsubishi Eclipse GS-T, all made in
Normal, Illinois.
So before you go get your "American" Ford or Chevrolet (Chevys are crappy
anyhow), do some research, its probably Japanese anyhow. Don't be such an
arrogant person, as you just proved a bit how silly and misinformed you are.
Kudos, though, for trying. I'm sure millions of hard working men and women
appreciate you calling their handiwork "Jap Crap". A very Racist comment to
begin with, considering most of the innovations in your home started in
Japan.
I believe, as the japanese would put it, "Anata wa bakayarou desu,
futabacchimae!"
-SC
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phil
your home started in Japan."
you're wrong on both points......
"Dracas" <Sean...@cox.net> wrote in message
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Dracas
circuit, maybe not anymore, and perhaps not the fastest overall car, but the
best 1/4th mile. It's open to debate, but that particular vehicle is quite
a kicker for 'jap crap'. And that was the point of saying it.
As for most innovations starting in Japan, no, not really wrong actually.
And if it didn't start in Japan, it started in China or Taiwan. Very little
innovations ever started here in the US. Most 'american' companies are
sellouts.
Though, how keen of you to say how wrong I am then simply leave out a
convenient reason why, it was quite a plebian protest on the comment ;)
"phil" <ph...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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phil
innovations.......as is the statistics based quality system that the
japanese employ in their manufacturing facilities.
japanese culture favors uniformity and generaly does not reward the type of
maveric behavior that innovation is born of.
to your comment that most innovation in our homes is due to the japanese and
that american companies are sell-outs: well it is true that fisher, marantz,
jensen and harmon kardon et.al. were all once proud american companies, it
is equally true after their aquisition by the japanese that current
products are complete crap when directly compared to their domesticlly build
predecessors.
the only real innovation was their ability to delete value from their
product and still get you to purchase it.
plebian.....really?
"Dracas" <Sean...@cox.net> wrote in message
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Robert Honea
We invented and they figured out a commercial product and mass produced it.
You can't hold that against them.
--
Robert T. Honea, AKA;
01010100011011110110010001100100
"phil" <ph...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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phil
You can't hold that against them."
agreed. it's just the whole "jap bashing" issue also swings the other way
and both sides are unrealistic.
"Robert Honea" <rho...@austin.SCREWSPAM.rr.com> wrote in message
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DSMDealer1
>circuit, maybe not anymore, and perhaps not the fastest overall car, but the
>best 1/4th mile. It's open to debate, but that particular vehicle is quite
>a kicker for 'jap crap'. And that was the point of saying it.
Sean's car was only the fastest *UNIBODY 4-CYLINDER* for a while. This no
longer holds true (hasn't for some time), and it was never the fastest
4-cylinder, nor the fastest unibody, nor (even close to being) the fastest car
in the 1/4 mile. Domestic unibodies have been running much faster than Seans
car for decades.
There are actually "Street Class" cars now running as quickly as Sean's race
car was.
TinVT
Nor Henry Ford :-)
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Dracas
Mitsubishis or any other import
vehicle as "Jap Crap",
Anyone with a good hand on motors and mechanical whatnot might see things in
a little better perspective. Granted a lot of things Did start in the US,
their were still many many more started outside of the US, and in some
cases, what was created in the US were simply concepts, that never made it
to design because of flaws that made them malfunctional or in some cases
Nonfunctional. Rather then saying the US or Other countries started
innovation, I'll leave it to "It took a sh*tload of countries to get a bunch
of the innovations in our homes too us"
Look at the Wankel rotary...started out pretty rough, Mazda got ahold of it,
now look at their pretty 250hp Two-rotor Renesis Rotary in the Mazda RX-8?
For the matter, age brings more and more innovation, reguardless of
Invention. Those two words have different meanings, simply because it was
invented or conceptualized american, doesn't mean it was innovatively
constructed and dispersed by this country. It took external sources and
design teams to perfect the previously imperfect. Integrity, intelligence,
and perserverance took an international hit with this thread, and it seems
silly to me. Anyone who wakes up in the morning thinking the world revolves
around the US strictly should look at the tag on their mattress, or UPC on
the computer you're using to access this bbs
Calling something "Jap-Crap" in my opinion, is like walking up to an African
american and calling him a "Nigger" or calling a Mexican a 'spic' or 'tomato
picker'. Its BS for uneducated people to make assumptions with when they
have no real evaluation or knowledge to draw on. Everyones afraid something
might be better.
You kids, its all about Penis envy.
That was, at its simplest, my point.
Though I will recap that I have issues with Ford specifically...its a very
american company, a long tradition of all american vehicles and trucks that
spot the world from coast to coast and front to back. So why sell out and
have a foreign design team lay out the plans and launch a rally-inspired
vehicle like the Focus and Focus ZX3 (I think thats the correct model for
the hatchback)?
Maybe that design team was lending a bit to the innovation, but Fords
running around like its an all american thing, and now they're doing things
like this(!). Hence my disagreement with them.
"TinVT" <m...@you.com> wrote in message
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turbo4x4
this thread..."
no, you were sucked in by a spamming troll and reacted with hyperbole.
"...I have issues with Ford specifically...its a very american company..."
gee, you probably really hate the XR4Ti and those RS cosworth escorts that
preceded the focus.
ford is global..they're building plants in china right now....just like
everyone else.
"Dracas" <Sean...@cox.net> wrote in message
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philmarren
more technologically advanced than usa cars. It aint all about bolting a big
lump into a shit car.
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Dracas
I have some reguards for Merkurs XR4Ti, but overall I don't like the car,
no. I've never been a big fan of Ford, but thats probably because I grew up
in the styx of Ohio, watching every drunk country bumpkin touting their "Big
Rusty Ford Trucks" like they were packing the biggest johnson of them all.
And yes I do think Ford is a greatly american country, just that their
values have gotten sketchy over time. Its no longer about the "American
Working Man" its about "Build it in Japan and label it American". looks
like the american people are getting their hands wet in the global economy
then most notice at first glance.
Either way though, I think I'll stick with Mitsubishi (coincidently,
Chrysler, I miss Diamond Star, they weren't very bashful about saying they
were teaming up with Mitsubishi either :)), and Nissan (Datsun).
"turbo4x4" <turb...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Dracas
into consideration, for a moment, that the more moving parts you put into a
vehicle, the more likely it is to fail. Thats a pretty set value, right?
Now lets lok at the technological arc lately, we're adding more fragile
electronics into vehicles to control key components, like electronically
controlled fuel injection, power-assist steering, solid state ignition,
traction control, etc.. etc..
Now, electronics are a lot like mechanics, in this aspect. They're much
more likely to break down quicker then something thats more mechanical.
They are also MUCH more prone to atmospheric intervention
(Moisture/humidity).
But they're being used more and more in the newer Japanese and European
motorsports as well as other vehicles. This can't be good because the
electricity pouring out of an engines batter/alternator isn't what I'd call
'clean' and key components of a given vehicle take a heck of a lot of abuse
just under *normal* driving conditions.
Just some things to think about
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Dracas
exemplitive point, but I appreciate the knowledgeable correction.
Thanks :)
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Alan S. Petrillo
>
> American? Spfft. What the h*ll do you mean american?
Indeed.
I wrote an article a couple of years ago about this very subject, which
I'll post here if anyone's interested.
AP
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