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Low Level fuel light not working

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HammerJoe

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Aug 23, 2002, 5:43:54 PM8/23/02
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I noticed that the light doesn't come on even when I feel the tank is almost empty.

Is there a way to check what the problem could be before taking it to the dealer???

john

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Aug 23, 2002, 6:04:25 PM8/23/02
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Carry a small can of gas in your trunk and drive untill you run out of gas,
or the light comes on, which ever comes first.


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t

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Aug 23, 2002, 6:51:39 PM8/23/02
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Would that not burn out the fuel pump?? I would think it is in the fuel
tank. I had a friend replace one because he ran low on fuel *under a qaurter
tank* and it starved the pump a bit causing it to burn out...Needless to say
he never ever got the vehicle started and relied on a tow truck to get him
to a shop.. * It cost him around $800 US to replace the pump**

Tim.. Cdn in Cali......

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john

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Aug 23, 2002, 8:18:53 PM8/23/02
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Good point, maybe just ask the dealer then.


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goolsbee

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Aug 23, 2002, 8:59:19 PM8/23/02
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Does the light come on with all of the others at start-up? If not the bulb
is out.
I've noticed that the light really only seems to come on, and stay on, when
the fuel gauge is reading really low... like past the "E".

Keith


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Isaiah Beard

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Aug 26, 2002, 1:32:30 PM8/26/02
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> Would that not burn out the fuel pump?? I would think it is in the fuel

It shouldn't burn out the fuel pump unless done repeatedly.


HammerJoe

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Aug 26, 2002, 7:01:52 PM8/26/02
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"goolsbee" <gool...@attbi.com> wrote in message news:<HTA99.139624$983.213066@rwcrnsc53>...

No, the light does not come on when I turn the ignition key to start.
Is it supposed to come on???
Do you have a kia rio??
I wonder how hard it is to replace it...

john

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Aug 26, 2002, 9:14:16 PM8/26/02
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I have a 2001 Kia Rio, the gas light does not come on at start up. ( and I
have seen it work when the gas is low). I think you should ask your dealer
if you can try running the tank dry to test it, as long as doing this would
not cause any damage or void the warantee etc...

Abe the internet user

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Aug 26, 2002, 9:51:00 PM8/26/02
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I also have a Rio a 2002 and I never seen the low fuel light. but they talk
about it in the manual.
Abe


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HammerJoe

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Aug 27, 2002, 6:46:54 PM8/27/02
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"john" <jo...@DELEsympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<XmAa9.3249$n73.4...@news20.bellglobal.com>...
> I have a 2001 Kia Rio, the gas light does not come on at start up. ( and I
> have seen it work when the gas is low). I think you should ask your dealer
> if you can try running the tank dry to test it, as long as doing this would
> not cause any damage or void the warantee etc...
>
The warranty is long gone, and the dealer wants to charge me just to
find out what the problem is, and I'm afraid that even if it is the
light, they probalby will say it's the pump, the sensor whatever just
so they can charge the big bucks to fix it...

That's why I want to find out what the problem is.

john

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Aug 27, 2002, 7:13:51 PM8/27/02
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The things that are relevant to the light working properly are the level of
fuel in the tank (the gas gauge), some electrical bits and peices and the
light bulb itself. There is no way that the fuel pump or the mechanical
functionality of your car can be affected by this. So if it does not work,
just keep the tank full as much as possible. If / when it becomes possible,
buy a workshop manual for the car (Haynes or from Kia) and figure it out
yourself, or if you have a trustworthy mechanic friend, check it out that
way.

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goolsbee

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Aug 27, 2002, 11:39:56 PM8/27/02
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Hey Joe,
My bad.... I found out that the low fuel light does NOT come on at start-up
on all Kias. Can you believe it... it was my wife that corrected me. She
drives our Sedona more than me and she said it DOES NOT come on at start-up
with all the other warning lights.... go figure. But we do know the circuit
works because we have driven it to the point that it comes on several times.
BUT, it has to be really LOW as I said before.... somewhere south of the

HammerJoe

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Aug 31, 2002, 4:29:41 PM8/31/02
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I have a hard time believing that it is the light, because all the
othes work fine and that one rarely was used, I think twice at the
most.

Now where else can I check???

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HammerJoe

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Sep 2, 2002, 10:47:15 PM9/2/02
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Okay, I'm puzzled..

Today I was going to the gas station to fill the tank and the light did come up.

So it is working.

Now here comes the weird part.
Today the light came up and when I filled the tank it only took 33L.

Now the other when I tought the light was out I filled the tank and it took 41L.
And in both cases the needle was at the Letter E.

The manual says it's a 45L tank.

This is absolutely ridiculous that the gas gauge is so wrong.

Does anyone has similar problem?


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john

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Sep 3, 2002, 7:06:10 PM9/3/02
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We had a situation here in Ontario, Canada last spring (and possibly other
places). Shell gas had some sort of additive that was coating the fuel
sensor apparently for Chrysler vehicles only, causing them to malfunction,
and requiring replacment. Maybe you have a similar problem where you are.
you might want to change gas stations for a while.

Or it could just be a bunch of coincidences. If you really want to analyse
this, you should start recording the mileage, how much fuel you consume,
where on the gauge the needle is, etc.. and chart it over a month or so to
see what sort of behaviour you have.

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b-f...@stones.com

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Sep 12, 2002, 7:21:33 AM9/12/02
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I don't think there's a problem with your warning light.

In my 2001 Rio, the light comes on below the bottom line on the fuel
gauge, about 1/3 of the way into the letter "E".

All the fuel gauge (and light) does is read the fuel depth in the tank
at a specific location, so the "owner's manual" estimates of when the
light comes on are based on the vehicle being perfectly level and not
moving.

There's no real magic there, it's basically like a cork that floats on
top of the fuel, but doesn't move forward, back, left, or right. Real
world results will definately vary.

You need to remember that the fuel does not stay perfectly level in
the tank while you're driving. If you're driving uphill, the fuel
depth is deeper in the rear of the tank. If going downhill, it's
deeper in the front. You can easily duplicate this phenomenon using
1/2 a glass of water and tilting it in various directions.

Also the amount of fuel that you can put in the tank varies with the
angle of the vehicle. Mine seems to be able to take a bit more if it's
on a downhill slope when I fill it. Again, you can put more water into
a level glass than one that's at a 45 degree angle.

john

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Oct 8, 2002, 5:58:52 AM10/8/02
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sad that you are so reliant on a highly inconsitant notifier such as a low
fuel warning light. There is a reason they call them idiot lights you know.
As was so succinctly pointed out to you, factors such as orientation of the
vehicle (on a slope or not)resistance in the wiring harness/connectors,
accelerating decelerating etc. all effect the accuracy if the gauge.
Speaking as an owner of a rio that is often less than full shall we say, the
assertion that the light does not come on until the tank is very very empty
is quite accurate. I estimate there is about 3 liters of fuel when it is
onfull time...i have only seen the low fuel light a couple of timesin the
year i have owned it. Also as one other person suggestedfill it up, run it
out, make note of your consumption over distance, reset your tripmeter upon
fillup, and keep aware. We in the motorcycling world often have no fuel
gauge whatsoever and make do just fine with the tripmeter approach. Even if
your sending unit fried and you replaced it with another one, it wouldnt
read exactly the same as the old one, this is simply the nature of the
beast.

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HammerJoe

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Oct 11, 2002, 9:01:30 AM10/11/02
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I can understand what you are saying, but that light in my situation
has a use.
I drive around 200kms everyday and to minimize stops at the gas
station (in my case 3 days) I have to use almost all the tank and
because where I live the gas prices can be diferent more than a couple
cents between stations, so I always try to stop at that particular
place where it is cheaper.
I don't want to empty the tank completely I just want to know when I'm
reaching the limit and that I will have to stop at the nearest gas
station and pay more for gas without being stranded on the highway.

And that is my complaint, it's that the light is not consistent,
sometimes it turns on with only 4l left and sometimes 10liters.
There is a huge difference. It doesn't help me at all.

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Rob

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Dec 11, 2002, 11:18:09 PM12/11/02
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I just ran my 2003 Kia Rio out of gas the other day... put a gallon in and
it started right up no problem. My low fuel light works, just forgot to get
the gas. oops

Sijuki

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Sterling

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Jan 30, 2003, 4:12:53 PM1/30/03
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sorry Hammer Joe....
I'm sorry to have to tell u that from now on u must rely solely on u'r
tripometer...but on the up-side its just as easy to read...the down-side is
that u must do a little math...which should present little or no
problem,instead of watching idiot light u now watch
tripometer......Cheers.....


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