2010 Hyundai Accent 4-Door Sedan: HAS NO TEMPERATURE GAGE!
Willow'sAnusRimmer
Irwell
> Why would this be? All previous models have TGs.
Climate warming coming up?
Paul in Houston TX
> Why would this be? All previous models have TGs.
Company saved $27.00.
Drivers today don't know what its for anyways.
Ed Pawlowski
"Willow'sAnusRimmer" <perry...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Why would this be? All previous models have TGs.
$$$$$$$$$$$$
Ken Cuccinelli
temperature gauges!
One dealer salesman lied to me and insisted that other makes also lack
TGs.
It has to be an economy issue.
BIGtitties
wrote:
> Why would this be? All previous models have TGs.
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I would consider this to be a SAFETY issue!
How could a driver tell the car was getting hot enough to blow a hose
without a gauge?
"DaffyDumbShit" Palin
either.
Can I get away without it?
Ed Pawlowski
"BIGtitties" <clit...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Idiot light goes on. Maybe. They go back to the 60's, or even earlier.
You guys have not been paying attention for the past 4 or 5 decades. Many
brands have not had temp or oil pressure gauges.
Irwell
Or ammeters.
Matthew Fedder
are really "idiot gauages" that only show three positions: cold, warm,
and overheated. That seems to match my experience on my 01 Elantra. So
it's no big loss to move to an idiot light.
Bill Graham
Well, most of them without a guage have overtemp lights. But the light bulb
could burn out, in which case, you wouldn't know you were overheating. Some
of them light the light when your ignition is first turned on, but you
haven't started the engine yet, so you are supposed to know if any bulbs are
burned out, but few people would notice.... I certainly wouldn't, because it
is hard for me to read anything on my dashboard in the daytime.
Bill Graham
Yes. Its part of the, "dumbing down of America". With a guage, I have the
terrible responsibility of knowing that water boils at 212 degrees F, and
have to decide at what temperature I should pull over and stop my engine.
With an idiot light, that decision is made for me. When the light comes on,
its too hot. The next step, of course, is to have it turn off my ignition,
so the car stops automatically..... When the driving population becomes
stupid enough, that's the way the cars will be equipped....
dsi1
Putting the key in the run position will turn on the warning lights
momentarily. Make sure that the brake, oil, and temperature lamps are
working at this time. My guess is that if you're not the type to check
for burnt-out warning bulbs, you're probably not the kind to read your
gauges anyway. Personally I think that an oversized idiot light would
work better than a gauge for most people.
Bill Graham
Well, another problem is that, when a light burns out, and you go to the
dealer to get it replaced, the dealer says, "We will have to tear out your
entire dashboard to replace that light, and it will cost you $850 in labor."
So, you just drive home and forget it.....
dsi1
> Well, another problem is that, when a light burns out, and you go to the
> dealer to get it replaced, the dealer says, "We will have to tear out
> your entire dashboard to replace that light, and it will cost you $850
> in labor." So, you just drive home and forget it.....
I've changed warning lamps on cars before although not recently. I
haven't changed any in a new car. My guess is that it's harder these days.
Ed Pawlowski
"Bill Graham" <we...@comcast.net> wrote
>
> Yes. Its part of the, "dumbing down of America". With a guage, I have the
> terrible responsibility of knowing that water boils at 212 degrees F, and
> have to decide at what temperature I should pull over and stop my engine.
And what temperature would that be? I bet very few know and it is not 212.
> With an idiot light, that decision is made for me. When the light comes
> on, its too hot. The next step, of course, is to have it turn off my
> ignition, so the car stops automatically..... When the driving population
> becomes stupid enough, that's the way the cars will be equipped....
They have been that stupid for many years already. Ask 10 or 20 people what
the correct answer is and report back. So far, I've asked three and got a
blank stare. One was close and answered "when the light comes on".
Voyager
Maybe if you bought a really cheap foreign car like a Yugo, but all of
my American cars and trucks that have had analog gauges have worked
pretty well. My 1994 Chevy pickup has oil pressure and water
temperature gauges and they are still accurate after 17 years.
Matt
Voyager
I guess the dumbing down has already started as water under pressure
doesn't boil at 212 F and then you factor in the antifreeze...
Ed Pawlowski
"Voyager" <m.wh...@computer.org> wrote in message
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Some of the analog gauges have no numbers, just a few lines. You know that
when the car I was new it was pointing at a particular spot, so if it
changes over time you may have a problem.
Paul in Houston TX
More than just several vehicles used fake gauges.
Some still do.
Voyager
Name a few. Sounds like urban legend to me. I expect a fake would be
pretty easy to detect as I know when and why my oil pressure and temp
should vary. It would take a pretty sophisticated fake to fool me and
the fake would probably cost as much as the real instrument! :-)
Matt
Paul in Houston TX
Use a search engine. Look for:
"fake oil gauge"
"fake temperature gauge"
etc.
Voyager
I saw a few forums about Ford pickups that claim Ford replaced the
original analog sending unit with a pressure switch and a resistor to
place the gauge in the "normal" zone. It didn't sound like a fake gauge
to me as the forums discussed out to replace the switch with a sending
unit so that the gauge would work as intended.
I would call that a fake sending unit, not a fake gauge. Then again,
Ford F-150s are designed now for soccer moms who won't know how a gauge
works. The claim is that Ford did this as they got tired of complaints
from consumers who don't realize that oil pressure varies with different
conditions. Given that Ford is targeting the F-150 at a different
market now, this isn't surprising. Just another reason to stay with
Chevy or Dodge. :-)
This didn't sound like a wide-spread practice from what I saw with a
quick search.
Bill Graham
Well, most systems are pressurized, but my guess is around 220 to 230
degrees F. - It must depend on the car.
hyundaitech
I can confirm that my father's Aerostar had a fake oil gauge.
BIGtitties
for or ask about a temperature gauge at time of purchase.
And the salesman didn't tell me about this missing instrument,
either. Since that day he's been hard to contact.
Intentional?
I'll probably never know.
But the absence of an in-dash analog gauge has made me uncomfortable,
and skeptical. Like what else DOESN'T this motor vehicle have?
Ed Pawlowski
> I bought a 2010 Accent, but, being old-school, didn't think to look
> for or ask about a temperature gauge at time of purchase.
>
> And the salesman didn't tell me about this missing instrument,
> either. Since that day he's been hard to contact.
>
> Intentional?
Do you really think the salesman knows or cares or would bother to tell you?
Be serious man, in 50 years of car buying, temperature gauges has never come
up. Many cars do not have anything but a gas gauge these days. Most
drivers have no idea what they mean, what they do, or what they should look
for. Idiot lights go back over 50 years.
You can buy aftermarket gauges for everything if you really want to know
what is going on. Meantime, as the next 10 drivers what an ammeter is and
see what response you get. Given the reliability of alternators and
batteries, it is not a big deal not to have one. Same with radiators and
coolants.
> But the absence of an in-dash analog gauge has made me uncomfortable,
> and skeptical. Like what else DOESN'T this motor vehicle have?
For one, it does not have the troubles many other cars have had in the past.
Turn up the radio and enjoy your next cruise around the country. Do that
on a summer day and count how many cars you see on the side of the road
overheating. Coming home from the Jersey shore in the '50's, we see 6 to
12. I cannot recall seeing ONE in the past couple of decades.
Mrs Irish Mike
wrote:
> I just bought a 2010 Elantra, and it has no temperature gauge,
> either.
>
> Can I get away without it?
You know, as a kid who bought a lot of cheap used cars and still
today I buy cheap old cars; I was told and believe that a car with a
temp gauge is more likely to be the better car.
If a car is running hotter than usual, it is likely to be bought in
for servicing.
With an idiot light, there is little warning before the engine just
burns out.
I think a used car without a temp guage should be knocked down a few
hundred bucks for having "unknown wear".
Gordon Burditt
> for servicing.
>
> With an idiot light, there is little warning before the engine just
> burns out.
>
> I think a used car without a temp guage should be knocked down a few
> hundred bucks for having "unknown wear".
What do you think about an uncalibrated temp gauge? The only ones
I recall seeing (mostly on Toyotas recently, but others in the
1970's) have at most 4 marks: two at the limits of the gauge, Cold
and Hot (call this 0% and 100%, although the needle does move a bit
farther than this), and two (inside the two above, maybe at 10% and
90%) that are presumably have some sort of resemblance to the
temperature range that might be called "normal". No degrees anything
is listed. Near the end of a "normal" drive, be it 10 miles or 50,
it usually reads about 40%.
Did they *ever* make a calibrated temp gauge for normal, consumer-type
cars (as opposed to trucks, tanks, buses, etc.)? How about on a
Ford Model T?
Rod Speed
> "\"DaffyDumbShit\" Palin" kink...@yahoo.com wrote
>> I just bought a 2010 Elantra, and it has no temperature gauge, either.
>> Can I get away without it?
> You know, as a kid who bought a lot of cheap used cars and
> still today I buy cheap old cars; I was told and believe that a
> car with a temp gauge is more likely to be the better car.
More fool you to believe that mindless silly shit.
> If a car is running hotter than usual, it is likely to be bought in for servicing.
No reason why the computer control system cant tell you that its running
hotter than usual and that is precisely what happens with the better cars.
> With an idiot light, there is little warning before the engine just burns out.
Pig ignorant lie. If you turn the car off when the light goes on, it cant burn out.
> I think a used car without a temp guage should be knocked
> down a few hundred bucks for having "unknown wear".
More fool you.
Irwell
I seem to recall in the 1930s some cars had a glass
gauge in the radiator cap, which was outside the car
in those days.
Sydney Limbaugh
And I intend to file a query with the National Highway Traffic Safety
Administration (NHTSA).
Rod Speed
> I consider this to be a SAFETY ISSUE.
More fool you, particularly when that car has a temperature guage and you didnt even notice.
> And I intend to file a query with the National Highway Traffic Safety
> Administration (NHTSA).
They will file your 'query' in the round filing cabinet under the desk where it belongs.
Ed Pawlowski
"Sydney Limbaugh" <slipu...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Yeah, they need a laugh once in a while.
Mrs Irish Mike
You are just one rude a-hole.
But for others:
If you drive a car every day you know where that temp gauge reading
is suppose to be. If it is elevated, then you know something is
amiss-- not enough to trigger the check engine, but enough. An engine
can run hotter (think work harder) if the tires are not properly
inflated, if the brakes do not fully release, if there is junk in
front of the radiator or hanging from the chassis, a fan belt may be
loose and ready to break, anyone of the fluids maybe low.
A cool engine is not good either. If there is no radiator fluid, the
guage will read cool until it is too late.
Next to the gas guage, the temp gauge could be the most important
guage.
I have bought few cars that didn't have a temp guage and if I had a
car without one, I'd buy one and put it on.
Rod Speed
> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>> Mrs Irish Mike wrote
>>> "\"DaffyDumbShit\" Palin" kink...@yahoo.com wrote
>>>> I just bought a 2010 Elantra, and it has no temperature gauge,
>>>> either. Can I get away without it?
>>> You know, as a kid who bought a lot of cheap used cars and
>>> still today I buy cheap old cars; I was told and believe that a
>>> car with a temp gauge is more likely to be the better car.
>> More fool you to believe that mindless silly shit.
>>> If a car is running hotter than usual, it is likely to be bought in for servicing.
>> No reason why the computer control system cant tell you that its running
>> hotter than usual and that is precisely what happens with the better cars.
>>> With an idiot light, there is little warning before the engine just> burns out.
>> Pig ignorant lie. If you turn the car off when the light goes on, it cant burn out.
>>> I think a used car without a temp guage should be knocked
>>> down a few hundred bucks for having "unknown wear".
>> More fool you.
> You are just one rude a-hole.
Whereas you are impeccibly polite at all times eh ? Yeah, right.
> But for others:
> If you drive a car every day you know where that temp gauge reading
> is suppose to be. If it is elevated, then you know something is
> amiss-- not enough to trigger the check engine, but enough.
The check system can do anything you can do you stupid cow.
> An engine can run hotter (think work harder) if the tires are not
> properly inflated, if the brakes do not fully release, if there is junk
> in front of the radiator or hanging from the chassis, a fan belt may
> be loose and ready to break, anyone of the fluids maybe low.
And the check system can tell you its running hotter than it usually does.
> A cool engine is not good either. If there is no radiator
> fluid, the guage will read cool until it is too late.
Wrong, as always.
> Next to the gas guage, the temp gauge could be the most important guage.
Wrong, as always, particularly when there is a decent check
system which is precisely what all modern cars have.
> I have bought few cars that didn't have a temp guage
> and if I had a car without one, I'd buy one and put it on.
You have always been and always will be, completely and utterly irrelevant.
Julian Assange
a tiny bit irrelevant ...
Voyager
That is too funny.