Dealer bites the dust
631grant
and our nearest dealer is now about 80 miles away.
Wonderful.......................
Paradox
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Welcome to the Obama Economy(?)
631grant
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Bill
wrote:
Yeah, the one he inherited from Bush. The only thing that makes me
thinks bad about Obama is that he wasn't smart enough to say "no
thanks" to the job.
Voyager
The "it isn't my fault, I inherited it" excuse is wearing thin. Obama
has spent more money in this first few months than Bush spent in years.
That is simply a fact.
Matt
Miles Monroe
"Voyager" <m.wh...@computer.org> wrote in message
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It's Bush and the Republicans' fault. End of story. Spinning it won't alter
reality. Deregulation failed.
631grant
inherited it from the Democratic Congress that was in control for the last
two years of Bush's administration! The House approves appropriations and
taxes, NOT the President. He inherited it from Nancy Pelosi!!! Get over
it.
Now they want us to read Miranda rights to terrorists captured in Iraq and
Afghanistan! Would McCain have allowed that????? What has happened to all
the Americans?????
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631grant
wing TV stations and maybe, just maybe, you'll recognize the
truth.............
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Voyager
I hate to burst your bubble, but the banking deregulation began under
Clinton in 1999. He has admitted that himself. No spin required.
631grant
it. They can't see the 'Change' happening right before their eyes. We're
getting CHANGE, alright! From Democracy to Socialism to Anarchy to
Rebellion to chaos.
"Voyager" <m.wh...@computer.org> wrote in message
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Miles Monroe
> Miles Monroe wrote:
>> It's Bush and the Republicans' fault. End of story. Spinning it won't
>> alter
>> reality. Deregulation failed.
>>
>>
>>
>
> I hate to burst your bubble, but the banking deregulation began under
> Clinton in 1999. He has admitted that himself. No spin required.
>
> http://www.wsws.org/articles/1999/nov1999/bank-n01.shtml
Funny you'd provide that link which mentions the congressional Republicans'
hand in banking deregulation.
But I was talking about business deregulation in general, because it isn't
just banks that are failing. You've heard about the auto industry, yes?
I hate to burst your bubble but deregulation began in earnest under Reagan.
It was a Milton Freedman nutjob fantasy and it doesn't work. Freedman
believed the market place is a natural force like wind, air, and fire and
Reagan and you Republicans are too stupid to realize how stupid that sounds.
You guys are so pathetic in your desperate attempts to pin this crisis on
liberals. It's a relief nobody takes you boneheads seriously anymore.
nothermark
wrote:
It is a natureal force. In a weather sense this is just an example of
why we build houses instead of living in a tent. In a financial sense
the other shoe has to fall and all the smug folks who want cheap
imports and no stinking factory jobs are going to find out where the
money ultimately comes from to pay their salaries. That part of the
cycle is what is hitting now. I'm waiting for either California or
New York to go bankrup next.
BTW, if you want to point a finger use the mirror. Both sides of the
aisle are complicit in the mess.
jp103
> Same comment to you Miles!!! Wake up and watch something besides your left
> wing TV stations and maybe, just maybe, you'll recognize the
> truth.............
Irwell
> Bill, once and for all, Obama didn't inherit anything from Bush!!! He
> inherited it from the Democratic Congress that was in control for the last
> two years of Bush's administration! The House approves appropriations and
> taxes, NOT the President. He inherited it from Nancy Pelosi!!! Get over
> it.
> Now they want us to read Miranda rights to terrorists captured in Iraq and
> Afghanistan! Would McCain have allowed that?????
After asking Sara Palin?
'In a minute John dear, I'm busy choosing another outfit to wear'.
631grant
How can you make an intelligent (oops, I forgot this is a newsgroup and
intelligence is not a prerequisite) decision if you just listen to one side
of the story. AND what makes you think listening to CNBC is 'fair and
balanced???' Tune in and learn what is REALLY happening unless you can't
get your head out of the sand or some other dark place.
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631grant
a Moron Czar to get them all off the street. I just can't believe you Dems
can't see what's happening! Instead, you keep looking back and trying to
find someone to blame rather than opening your eyes and seeing where we hare
headed. Stupid stupid stupid.
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631grant
because they had Union labor getting paid way too much for what they did,
they had cars that no one wanted at $4 a gallon for gas, their executives
only cared about their bonuses, which is common today. They had no clue as
to what the public really wanted in this economy. Rick Wagoneer (sp??) of
GM gets on the podium and says the "new" GM would give the people World
Class cars like the Cadillac CTS, the Escalade, SUV's, and pickup trucks.
In an era of no credit, no money, rising gas prices, this idiot puts the
future on gas guzzling cars that no one can afford to buy or run. He is
just as stupid as you, Miles, since you are calling 'us' stupid.
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jp103
STORY." Could you please tell me where that quote is? What you did say
was that if you "watch something besides your left wing TV
stations...you'll recognize the truth." I think that this infers that
the truth will be found on some other station and, having listened to
enough of FOX to know that all stations other than FOX are "left wing" I
just assumed that you meant FOX. Was there another station you were
referring to? AND although FOX declares itself to be fair and balanced
I'm unaware that CNBC (where/who brought that up?) also claims that. I
always thought CNBC was a business channel. Oh wait, I'll bet you meant
MSNBC, didn't you?
When my daughter was six and she would run out of logic she would say
"shut up stupid". Is that the equivalent of "get your head out of the
sand or some other dark place"? You really do know how to elevate a
discussion.
Voyager
> Good one, Voyager. I missed that. These left wing idiots just don't get
> it. They can't see the 'Change' happening right before their eyes. We're
> getting CHANGE, alright! From Democracy to Socialism to Anarchy to
> Rebellion to chaos.
Even though I am still registered Republican, I don't think either party
gets it nor has for some time now. I'm very close to voting for a 3rd
or 4th party next time around. I wasn't happy with ANY of the
candidates fielded this last election.
Matt
Voyager
> "Voyager" <m.wh...@computer.org> wrote in message
> news:bCZXl.2242$Gn4....@newsfe10.iad...
>> Miles Monroe wrote:
>>> It's Bush and the Republicans' fault. End of story. Spinning it won't
>>> alter
>>> reality. Deregulation failed.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> I hate to burst your bubble, but the banking deregulation began under
>> Clinton in 1999. He has admitted that himself. No spin required.
>>
>> http://www.wsws.org/articles/1999/nov1999/bank-n01.shtml
>
> Funny you'd provide that link which mentions the congressional Republicans'
> hand in banking deregulation.
I never said that the Republicans didn't play a role. I simply was
point out the error in your statement.
> But I was talking about business deregulation in general, because it isn't
> just banks that are failing. You've heard about the auto industry, yes?
>
> I hate to burst your bubble but deregulation began in earnest under Reagan.
> It was a Milton Freedman nutjob fantasy and it doesn't work. Freedman
> believed the market place is a natural force like wind, air, and fire and
> Reagan and you Republicans are too stupid to realize how stupid that sounds.
So now it is Reagan rather than Bush. When will you find a lie that you
like and will stick with?
> You guys are so pathetic in your desperate attempts to pin this crisis on
> liberals. It's a relief nobody takes you boneheads seriously anymore.
I made no such attempt.
Matt
631grant
Pay Czar, who refused 12 invitations from Fox to appear on their show. NBC
is NBC no matter what letter appears before it. You should know that from
your Ebonics classes.
If you are so up to date and know both sides, can you tell me the down side
of the Farm/Environmental Bill that your girlfriend, the great Nancy Pelosi
is DEMANDING be passed by the end of next week? Why does everything have to
be rushed through Congress before it can even be read and digested? This
one is 1000 pages NOW. Have your TV stations told you what it will do to
the American economy and how much it will affect the price of operating the
farms, which of course translates to food prices?
Do yourself a favor and watch some Fox News so that, in the future, you
won't look quite as stupid when someone asks you who in the hell you voted
for. As for me, I voted for the American.
Maybe I'm mistaken but you appear learned and therefore probably aren't
looking for a free ride like most Obama voters are looking for. That
probably means you are either from the New England area or are a young,
idealist who hasn't learned anything yet. If you are neither of those, than
I truly feel sorry for you and your offspring (God forbid).
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631grant
the Democratic Fascist party.
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Ed Pawlowski
I've voted for the third parties often. If enough people did, the other two
would really take notice and perhaps get their stuff together.
Miles Monroe
> Do yourself a favor and watch some Fox News so that, in the future, you
> won't look quite as stupid when someone asks you who in the hell you voted
> for. As for me, I voted for the American.
LOL There is nothing funnier and scarier than someone who doesn't know how
stupid they are.
Miles Monroe
> Miles Monroe wrote:
>> "Voyager" <m.wh...@computer.org> wrote in message
>> news:bCZXl.2242$Gn4....@newsfe10.iad...
>>> Miles Monroe wrote:
>>>> It's Bush and the Republicans' fault. End of story. Spinning it won't
>>>> alter
>>>> reality. Deregulation failed.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I hate to burst your bubble, but the banking deregulation began under
>>> Clinton in 1999. He has admitted that himself. No spin required.
>>>
>>> http://www.wsws.org/articles/1999/nov1999/bank-n01.shtml
>>
>> Funny you'd provide that link which mentions the congressional
>> Republicans' hand in banking deregulation.
>
> I never said that the Republicans didn't play a role. I simply was point
> out the error in your statement.
I didn't make an error. Educate yourself. You are only entitled to an
informed opinion, not regurgitating right-wing talking points.
> So now it is Reagan rather than Bush. When will you find a lie that you
> like and will stick with?
No, stupid, it was all three of them. (That's Reagan and both Bushes.) The
Republican agenda of deregulation and greed is good, and fuck you I got
mine.
Miles Monroe
> than opening your eyes and seeing where we hare headed. Stupid stupid
> stupid.
Where hare headed? Tortoise wants to know.
jp103
After reading about all your other extraneous stuff the answer escaped me.
I'm afraid I don't know about the Farm/Environmental Bill that you refer
to. I googled farm bill and didn't come up with anything that seemed
relevant and then I went to the govtrack/congress/search bill and didn't
find anything there either. Do you have an HR #? You certainly will
get no argument from me that Congress is not doing there job and that
goes across party lines. The business of Congress seems to be to get
reelected and anything else is a bonus.
If I watch Fox News then I will know who I voted for? There's so much I
don't understand. Perhaps I should watch them.
It sounds like you think there was only one American running in the
last election but I can assure you that with a Supreme Court, who has a
majority of it's members appointed by a Republican, I think it's highly
unlikely that a non-American could be nominated, no less be elected, as
President of the U.S. (At least as a Democrat). I now that sometimes
certain constitutional issues are kind of winked at but ....
I kind of have trouble following the logic in your last part. You say
I appear to be learned and not looking for a free hand out (thank you I
would like to think you are right on both counts), but then you go on to
say I am either from NE or a young idealist who hasn't learned anything
yet. Being neither of these, and since you are from the Athens, GA area
and also not a young idealist it sounds like we are in the same boat. I
appreciate your empathy and wish to extend my sympathies to you and your
offspring. I know how hard it is to accept someone so antithetical to
be your President but look on the bright side. At least you aren't a
heartbeat away from having Sarah as your president.
Mike Marlow
> When did they deregulate the auto industry???? Chrysler and GM failed
> because they had Union labor getting paid way too much for what they did,
> they had cars that no one wanted at $4 a gallon for gas, their executives
> only cared about their bonuses, which is common today. They had no clue
> as to what the public really wanted in this economy. Rick Wagoneer (sp??)
> of GM gets on the podium and says the "new" GM would give the people World
> Class cars like the Cadillac CTS, the Escalade, SUV's, and pickup trucks.
> In an era of no credit, no money, rising gas prices, this idiot puts the
> future on gas guzzling cars that no one can afford to buy or run. He is
> just as stupid as you, Miles, since you are calling 'us' stupid.
>
You might have had a good start there, but when you dove down to the gutter
with the "gas guzzler" crap, you completely lost any credibility with your
points. It would benefit you to examine the numbe of GM vehicles that got
over 30 mpg for the past several years, and how that number compares to the
competition. For all that GM has screwed up, gas mileage is not among the
list of bad moves. But then again - it does feel good to type "gas
guzzlers", dosen't it?
--
-Mike-
mmarlo...@windstream.net
jp103
there. Stupid spell check!
Mike Marlow
This is like looking in a mirror...
--
-Mike-
mmarlo...@windstream.net
Voyager
> "Voyager" <m.wh...@computer.org> wrote in message
> news:8ZfYl.951$N_3...@newsfe14.iad...
>> Miles Monroe wrote:
>>> "Voyager" <m.wh...@computer.org> wrote in message
>>> news:bCZXl.2242$Gn4....@newsfe10.iad...
>>>> Miles Monroe wrote:
>>>>> It's Bush and the Republicans' fault. End of story. Spinning it won't
>>>>> alter
>>>>> reality. Deregulation failed.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I hate to burst your bubble, but the banking deregulation began under
>>>> Clinton in 1999. He has admitted that himself. No spin required.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.wsws.org/articles/1999/nov1999/bank-n01.shtml
>>> Funny you'd provide that link which mentions the congressional
>>> Republicans' hand in banking deregulation.
>> I never said that the Republicans didn't play a role. I simply was point
>> out the error in your statement.
>
> I didn't make an error. Educate yourself. You are only entitled to an
> informed opinion, not regurgitating right-wing talking points.
Your statement that it was the fault of Bush and the Republicans is
completely false. Any thinking person knows that and the data supports
that the Democrats played a huge role staring back with the "New Deal."
Read some history. It is very interesting.
>> So now it is Reagan rather than Bush. When will you find a lie that you
>> like and will stick with?
>
> No, stupid, it was all three of them. (That's Reagan and both Bushes.) The
> Republican agenda of deregulation and greed is good, and fuck you I got
> mine.
First, it was Bush, then it was Reagan, now it is both. Do you have a
4th lie to share?
Matt
631grant
that is now being vigorously debated in Congress!!! See what I mean about
the networks you watch? Ever watch the Senate or House proceedings? My
guess is NO. Once again, you Dems with your head in the sand won't find out
what is going on until it is too late and then you'll spend your time trying
to blame it on Bush even though it's being done right now by YOUR Congress.
Your type is the reason this country is going to hell!
I guess you also can't see the maneuvering that is and has been going on to
position the country to grant amnesty to 20 million illegal aliens. Once
again, when it's over, you'll say 'How did that happen?'.
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631grant
President!!!! NOW THAT REALLY SCARES THE SHIT OUT OF ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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claims of all their 30 mpg cars but 30 mpg really doesn't cut it in the land
of $4 a gallon gas, which is where we will end up again. The HHR is a great
little car and we have one in our family but it SHOULD be getting 40 mpg. I
just don't believe 30 is the magic number we'll be looking for. Personal
opinion.
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jp103
There you go again.
I try to educate myself by asking WHAT THE HR (this stands for House
Resolution)# IS and you just want to rant. How can I educate myself by
reading and familiarizing myself if you won't even tell me what you are
talking about? So I will assume that this is a Rush Rant that piqued
your interest and aside from maybe retaining some of his "facts" you
don't really know jack about it. I have tried to address your points
but you seem to only want to hear yourself talk and not reply to any of
my questions. If this is incorrect then please tell me where you said:
1 Where did you say "the other side of the story"?
2 Do you have an HR #?
3 If I watch Fox news I will know who I voted for?
If you need some help with the answers -
1 As regards this thread I didn't.
2 Hmmm no
3 How the hell would Fox news know who you voted for?
Perhaps you could get your news from Colbert and Stewart because it
seems that you just aren't enjoying life right now.
I do appreciate some of your posts about Hyundais so keep up the good
work.
631grant
is the norm in Europe, to say 30 mpg is good here is calling us a third
world country. Please don't bring up the emissions copout since Europe is
more Green than we are. Hell, my Sedona, just like yours, gets 30+ mpg.
For a little car like the HHR or Cobalt to get the same mileage is sick.
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631grant
get 37 mpg!! Now that is quite an improvement and I stand corrected. I
think Fiat and the Ford Fiesta will both force even more advances in fuel
mileage in the coming years. They might even put enough pressure on
Congress to adopt regulations to allow European diesel technology into the
US and THEN we will truly have oil independence.
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>
631grant
mistakes and making fun of my Parkinson's causing me to hit extra keys.
FUCK YOU IN THE HEART!!
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631grant
I'm not helping you anymore to avoid watching Fox to get the other side of
the story. When you find out what I'm talking about, you can cry on my
shoulder. I'm not making anything up. It's for you to find out.
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631grant
stick! That is very unusual in today's advanced automatic technology.
Usually the auto trans' are getting the same or maybe one mpg less than
stick, but 4?????
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Bill
<tjwi...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>No, I'm only two sniper rounds away from having Nancy Pelosi as my
>President!!!! NOW THAT REALLY SCARES THE SHIT OUT OF ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
Yeah, scares me too. ALMOST as much as being one heart attack away
from Palin being president.
Bill
Captain Rock
> Well, I guess you have 'shot your wad' if you're down to citing typing
> mistakes and making fun of my Parkinson's causing me to hit extra keys.
> FUCK YOU IN THE HEART!!
>
steady now, get a grip...
Irwell
On shaky ground here.
Mike Marlow
>I was wondering when you would jump in, Mike. I know about GM with their
>claims of all their 30 mpg cars but 30 mpg really doesn't cut it in the
>land of $4 a gallon gas, which is where we will end up again. The HHR is a
>great little car and we have one in our family but it SHOULD be getting 40
>mpg. I just don't believe 30 is the magic number we'll be looking for.
>Personal opinion.
>
Yeah - I supposed I might be a bit predictable at times. I'm just so tired
of that phrase "gas guzzlers", and it always seems to get thrown out there
for the effect, rather than a valid argument point. I do agree that it
seems we well ought to be able to expect mileage numbers in the 40's now,
without any radical designs. 30's was great for a generation of cars, and I
applaud GM for having lead the pack in producing as many cars as they did,
for as long as they did, that achieved that kind of mileage. But, like you,
I believe it's time to advance on that front. I really like both of the
Sonatas we own (04 and 06), and I have almost nothing but good to say about
them, but the one thing that struck me with each one of them was that the
mileage compared to my GM cars was actually somewhat off. Not so bad as to
make owning either one a bad experience, but it is hard at first to accept a
new car getting a couple/few less miles per gallon that what you owned
before it.
--
-Mike-
mmarlo...@windstream.net
Mike Marlow
> As I've said on previous posts (and arguments with you) that when 40-50
> mpg is the norm in Europe, to say 30 mpg is good here is calling us a
> third world country. Please don't bring up the emissions copout since
> Europe is more Green than we are. Hell, my Sedona, just like yours, gets
> 30+ mpg. For a little car like the HHR or Cobalt to get the same mileage
> is sick.
>
40-50 isn't really the norm in Europe, is it? I too believe that a car like
the Cobalt should be getting better mileage. It does not seem unreasonable
to me to expect to see upper 30's out of that size car these days - without
going to steps like putting a diesel in it.
That said, my daughter recently replaced an 00 Sunfire with an 05 or 06
Mazda 3. Granted, you don't mention Japanese cars above, but they are
generally touted as being superior to GM in every respect, and certainly in
the mileage department. (Not so, but that's what you hear). Her in city
mileage dropped significantly (an impact to her because she lives in the
city and does a large amount of city driving), and her highway mileage
dropped some. Not as noticeable a drop as the city mileage, but still a
drop.
The HHR is a design nightmare for mileage figures. I can see where that
would struggle to attain the mileage that a more aerodynamic design should
achieve, but its city mileage could be better, I believe.
--
-Mike-
mmarlo...@windstream.net
Mike Marlow
> Hey, I just visited the new Chevy website and the Cobalt is being claimed
> to get 37 mpg!! Now that is quite an improvement and I stand corrected.
> I think Fiat and the Ford Fiesta will both force even more advances in
> fuel mileage in the coming years. They might even put enough pressure on
> Congress to adopt regulations to allow European diesel technology into the
> US and THEN we will truly have oil independence.
>
I'm anxious to see more advances in electric, but in self-generating
electric. Diesel generator locomotives have advanced great strides in the
tonnage they can move on a gallon of diesel fuel, and it sure seems that the
technology they employ could be migrated to cars. I'm not at all interested
in seeing any more introductions that require the own to plug the car into
the wall to charge it up.
--
-Mike-
mmarlo...@windstream.net
CB...@webtv.net
EACH OTHER SO YOU DON"T SEE THE REAL PROBLEM>THEY DON"T GIVE A FUCK
ABOUT YOU THEY ARE RICH AND GETTING RICHER WHILE YOU FIGHT AMONG
YOURELVES INSTEAD OF GETTING RID OF BOTH OF THEM>THIS COUNTRY IS
DOOMED>THERE IS NO CONSTITUTION ANY MORE.WE JUST HAD A TOWN USE EMMINENT
DOMAIN TO TAKE PROPERTY FROM ANOTHER TOWN??WATS NEXT>KEEP FIGHTING
ASSHOLES<YOU"RE DOING THE WORK FOR THEM >
CB...@webtv.net
whew... I FELT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO SHARE THAT BEFORE I DO MYSELF AND
EVERYONE WHO KNOWS ME A FAVOR AND PULL THE TRIGGER. NOW LET'S SEE,
WHICH END OF THE PISTOL GOES AGAINST MY EMPTY CRANIUM?
OH YEAH, I GOT IT NOW..
CB...@webtv.net
631grant
are diesels! I'm retired now for 3 years but before that I spent TOO much
time in Europe on business and routinely rented MB, Fords, and Peugeots that
always gave me well over 50 mpg with as many as 4 people in them. Most of
the mileage was what I would term suburban driving in town or on the
Autobahn at 100 mph. The cars had surprising acceleration and passing
ability too.
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631grant
until an infrastructure is well in place (which, I believe, will never
happen given our present form of government self interests).
One thing that makes the railroads so efficient is the fact that there is
almost no contact area between the wheels and the track reducing friction.
Once the energy is expended to get the mass up to speed, very little is
needed to maintain it. I guess also the NASCAR drafting syndrome plays a
part in moving a long train. Try that on the interstate!!! When I was
young and foolish, I did that on my motorcycle behind trucks. You could
almost close the throttle and be sucked along (while you prayed he didn't
hit the brakes!). Tire technology could take a giant step forward to reduce
rolling resistance too. I saw an ad for a new 'gas saving' tire but when
you do the math, it is more hype than actual help.
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Slim
>
> "631grant" <tjwi...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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>> Well, I just found out our Hyundai dealer in Athens, Ga went out of
> business
>> and our nearest dealer is now about 80 miles away.
>> Wonderful.......................
>>
>>
>
> Welcome to the Obama Economy(?)
Its the economy left by King Clusterfuck.
--
"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in
England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after
all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it
is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a
democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist
dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to
the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL
THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of
patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY
COUNTRY."
�
--Goering at the Nuremberg Trials
Slim
> Bill wrote:
>> On Tue, 9 Jun 2009 22:48:14 -0700, "Paradox" <paral...@cox.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "631grant" <tjwi...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>>> news:KTjXl.8394$he4....@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
>>>> Well, I just found out our Hyundai dealer in Athens, Ga went out of
>>> business
>>>> and our nearest dealer is now about 80 miles away.
>>>> Wonderful.......................
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Welcome to the Obama Economy(?)
>>>
>>
>> Yeah, the one he inherited from Bush. The only thing that makes me
>> thinks bad about Obama is that he wasn't smart enough to say "no
>> thanks" to the job.
>
> The "it isn't my fault, I inherited it" excuse is wearing thin. Obama
> has spent more money in this first few months than Bush spent in years.
> That is simply a fact.
The banks are paying back thier loans.
We all know how people like you just hate that.
Slim
>
> "Voyager" <m.wh...@computer.org> wrote in message
> news:b6WXl.2227$Gn4....@newsfe10.iad...
>> Bill wrote:
>>> On Tue, 9 Jun 2009 22:48:14 -0700, "Paradox" <paral...@cox.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "631grant" <tjwi...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:KTjXl.8394$he4....@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
>>>>> Well, I just found out our Hyundai dealer in Athens, Ga went out of
>>>> business
>>>>> and our nearest dealer is now about 80 miles away.
>>>>> Wonderful.......................
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Welcome to the Obama Economy(?)
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah, the one he inherited from Bush. The only thing that makes me
>>> thinks bad about Obama is that he wasn't smart enough to say "no
>>> thanks" to the job.
>>
>> The "it isn't my fault, I inherited it" excuse is wearing thin. Obama has
>> spent more money in this first few months than Bush spent in years. That
>> is simply a fact.
>>
>> Matt
>
> It's Bush and the Republicans' fault. End of story. Spinning it won't alter
> reality. Deregulation failed.
Throw in a war to scam a pipline, complete with no-bid contracts and no
end strategy.
Slim
>
> "Voyager" <m.wh...@computer.org> wrote in message
> news:bCZXl.2242$Gn4....@newsfe10.iad...
>> Miles Monroe wrote:
>>> It's Bush and the Republicans' fault. End of story. Spinning it won't alter
>>> reality. Deregulation failed.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I hate to burst your bubble, but the banking deregulation began under
>> Clinton in 1999. He has admitted that himself. No spin required.
>>
>> http://www.wsws.org/articles/1999/nov1999/bank-n01.shtml
>
> Funny you'd provide that link which mentions the congressional
> Republicans' hand in banking deregulation.
Yes, them Republickans are always shooting themselves in the foot, when
they are aren't pretending to be Cheney. LOL.
>
> But I was talking about business deregulation in general, because it
> isn't just banks that are failing. You've heard about the auto
> industry, yes?
>
> I hate to burst your bubble but deregulation began in earnest under
> Reagan. It was a Milton Freedman nutjob fantasy and it doesn't work.
> Freedman believed the market place is a natural force like wind, air,
> and fire and Reagan and you Republicans are too stupid to realize how
> stupid that sounds.
But....Nancy's Astrologer said everthing would be OK!
>
> You guys are so pathetic in your desperate attempts to pin this crisis
> on liberals. It's a relief nobody takes you boneheads seriously anymore.
AMEN! ;-)
Slim
> On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 21:52:12 -0400, 631grant wrote:
>
>> Bill, once and for all, Obama didn't inherit anything from Bush!!! He
>> inherited it from the Democratic Congress that was in control for the
>> last two years of Bush's administration! The House approves
>> appropriations and taxes, NOT the President. He inherited it from
>> Nancy Pelosi!!! Get over it.
>> Now they want us to read Miranda rights to terrorists captured in Iraq
>> and Afghanistan! Would McCain have allowed that?????
>
> After asking Sara Palin?
> 'In a minute John dear, I'm busy choosing another outfit to wear'.
Is that kid knocked up AGAIN bu some jackoff loser asshole?
Slim
Dear Lazy Assed Top- Poster:
The UAW didn't make the decisons to design and manufacture shit cars.
The UAW didn't piss billions away on bad advertsing.
The UAW didn't buy private jets to fly to Congressional Hearings.
The UAW is not in bed with Saudis like the Bush family is.
On 2009-06-11 17:18:17 -0400, "631grant" <tjwi...@bellsouth.net> said:
> When did they deregulate the auto industry???? Chrysler and GM failed
> because they had Union labor getting paid way too much for what they
> did, they had cars that no one wanted at $4 a gallon for gas, their
> executives only cared about their bonuses, which is common today. They
> had no clue as to what the public really wanted in this economy. Rick
> Wagoneer (sp??) of GM gets on the podium and says the "new" GM would
> give the people World Class cars like the Cadillac CTS, the Escalade,
> SUV's, and pickup trucks. In an era of no credit, no money, rising gas
> prices, this idiot puts the future on gas guzzling cars that no one can
> afford to buy or run. He is just as stupid as you, Miles, since you
> are calling 'us' stupid.
>
>
> "Miles Monroe" <no...@none.net> wrote in message
> news:tg2Yl.5862$fD....@flpi145.ffdc.sbc.com...
>>
>> "Voyager" <m.wh...@computer.org> wrote in message
>> news:bCZXl.2242$Gn4....@newsfe10.iad...
>>> Miles Monroe wrote:
>>>> It's Bush and the Republicans' fault. End of story. Spinning it won't alter
>>>> reality. Deregulation failed.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I hate to burst your bubble, but the banking deregulation began under
>>> Clinton in 1999. He has admitted that himself. No spin required.
>>>
>>> http://www.wsws.org/articles/1999/nov1999/bank-n01.shtml
>>
>> Funny you'd provide that link which mentions the congressional
>> Republicans' hand in banking deregulation.
>>
>> But I was talking about business deregulation in general, because it
>> isn't just banks that are failing. You've heard about the auto
>> industry, yes?
>>
>> I hate to burst your bubble but deregulation began in earnest under
>> Reagan. It was a Milton Freedman nutjob fantasy and it doesn't work.
>> Freedman believed the market place is a natural force like wind, air,
>> and fire and Reagan and you Republicans are too stupid to realize how
>> stupid that sounds.
>>
>> You guys are so pathetic in your desperate attempts to pin this crisis
>> on liberals. It's a relief nobody takes you boneheads seriously anymore.
Voyager
The difference is that the first scenario is possible and the second is not.
Voyager
> As I've said on previous posts (and arguments with you) that when 40-50 mpg
> is the norm in Europe, to say 30 mpg is good here is calling us a third
> world country. Please don't bring up the emissions copout since Europe is
> more Green than we are. Hell, my Sedona, just like yours, gets 30+ mpg.
> For a little car like the HHR or Cobalt to get the same mileage is sick.
What Sedona are you talking about? Certainly not the Kia. I had one
for a rental and it couldn't get 18 MPG.
Voyager
> Curiously enough, the Cobalt with Auto transmission gets 4 MPG less than the
> stick! That is very unusual in today's advanced automatic technology.
> Usually the auto trans' are getting the same or maybe one mpg less than
> stick, but 4?????
I believe the XFE has changes other than the transmission. I believe
the engine has been tweaked for fuel economy, it has low rolling
resistance tires (I wonder what those cost to replace?), etc., that I
don't believe are on the auto tranny version.
Matt
Voyager
The main reason trains use this approach is to avoid the need for a
clutch system capable of starting out heavy loads. This is basically
the same as the hybrids currently in use. Yes, I think a diesel hybrid
would have significant advantages over a gas hybrid, even with the
greater weight of the diesel engine.
Matt
Voyager
Oh no, now we're brought out the webtv bozos who can only type in all
caps. Doesn't webtv give you a real keyboard yet?
---MIKE---
>Oh no, now we're brought out the webtv
> bozos who can only type in all caps.
> Doesn't webtv give you a real keyboard
> yet?
As you can see, we do have a real keyboard. The poster using all caps
is his desire to shout his message. By the way, our keyboard is
wireless.
---MIKE---
>>In the White Mountains of New Hampshire
>> (44° 15' N - Elevation 1580')
Voyager
> Voyager wrote:
>
>> Oh no, now we're brought out the webtv
>> bozos who can only type in all caps.
>> Doesn't webtv give you a real keyboard
>> yet?
>
> As you can see, we do have a real keyboard. The poster using all caps
> is his desire to shout his message. By the way, our keyboard is
> wireless.
I don't think he is shouting. He is just smart enough to use a keyboard.
Only your keyboard is wireless? I'm sorry about that...
631grant
and continually get the two names confused. Of course, I meant the Sonata
getting 30+. Just got 32 on a 1900 mile trip. Incidentally, someone posted
that they had a European Sedona (Kia) with a diesel and were getting over 30
mpg! Why can't that be us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Voyager" <m.wh...@computer.org> wrote in message
news:3ZAZl.3976$FI5....@newsfe12.iad...
631grant
the ultimate efficiency since the 'overall' emissions would be quite low
even with the diesel.
"Voyager" <m.wh...@computer.org> wrote in message
news:B5BZl.3979$FI5....@newsfe12.iad...
Ed Pawlowski
>I never did understand why the hybrid people didn't use a small diesel for
>the ultimate efficiency since the 'overall' emissions would be quite low
>even with the diesel.
>
Getting the diesel past emission requirements is probably one reason. It
may not be a smooth starting too, when the power is required, compared to
gas, especially in cold climates. I have to think that they have considered
it at some point.
Voyager
> Ooops. Senility strikes again! I have a Kia Sedona AND a Hyundai Sonata
> and continually get the two names confused. Of course, I meant the Sonata
> getting 30+. Just got 32 on a 1900 mile trip. Incidentally, someone posted
> that they had a European Sedona (Kia) with a diesel and were getting over 30
> mpg! Why can't that be us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ah, that makes much more sense!
Matt
631grant
Of course, my wife will never agree to that!
"Voyager" <m.wh...@computer.org> wrote in message
news:nP3_l.699$hE....@newsfe13.iad...
631grant
work part of the time, I would think emissions would be quite low. If
you've ever driven a small turbo diesel in Europe, you would see how smooth
and quick they are. Starting in the cold is no longer a problem. In fact,
I believe they don't' even use glow plugs anymore. I had a diesel in
Chicago for years and it started even at sub zero temps. Diesels are NOT
your 'grandmother's diesels'. It's a whole new breed.
"Ed Pawlowski" <e...@snet.net> wrote in message
news:dLXZl.6$Wj...@nlpi065.nbdc.sbc.com...
Bill
wrote:
Yeah, thanks to the diety of your choice for that!
Indrek Aavisto
B> On Mon, 15 Jun 2009 19:36:51 -0400, Voyager <m.wh...@computer.org>
B> wrote:
>>Bill wrote:
>>> On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 08:25:54 -0400, "631grant"
>>> <tjwi...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>>> No, I'm only two sniper rounds away from having Nancy Pelosi as my
>>>> President!!!! NOW THAT REALLY SCARES THE SHIT OUT OF
>>>> ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>> Yeah, scares me too. ALMOST as much as being one heart attack away
>>> from Palin being president.
>>The difference is that the first scenario is possible and the second is
>>not.
B> Yeah, thanks to the diety of your choice for that!
Is that a low cal god?
Cheers,
Indrek Aavisto
--
Criticism is easy; achievement is difficult. W.S. Churchill
Bill
No, that's a politically correct god, and I can't believe I said that.
I must be mellowing in my old age.
Bill