gm engine question
Ed O'Rourke
engine. Basically I would like to know if the timing chain breaks is it
possible for the pistons to drive up into the valves causing massive damage
ei bent pushrods, damaged pistons, damaged valves..?
Typically OHC engines are no clearance but I was told that this engine was
also no clearance. Also I had a 1998 olds 98. And was also told this was a
no clearance engine. On my 98 the timing chain broke and I did not want to
mess with it so I took it to a mechanic he installed a timing chain kit and
then told me I needed both heads rebuilt and all new pushrods and
lifters..??? Now my son's Lumina chain went and I was wondering if it a no
clearance engine because the guy who towed tried starting it for quite some
time (not a good idea) even thou my son told him that he was not to attempt
to start the car just to tow it..
Regards,
Ed
Thx in advance for any responses
Ed O'Rourke
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My question--- Is a 1996 Chevrolet 3.1L SFI engine an interference
engine????
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bent valves.
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shiden_Kai
> I understand what an interference engine is.
> My question--- Is a 1996 Chevrolet 3.1L SFI engine an interference
> engine????
I think that he said "that"....if you read his post a little closer.
> "David J wrote
>> This engine is what is called an interference engine an open valve
>> will hit the piston.
Ian
Eightupman
I do not remember those being interference engines. The compression was way
to low. I could be wrong, just don't remember...
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Bret Chase
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>:|What motor was in the Olds 98? 307 or 403...I have rebuilt one of each and
>:|I do not remember those being interference engines. The compression was way
>:|to low. I could be wrong, just don't remember...
>:|
>:|
A 1998 Olds 98 would be a front wheel drive V6. the 307 and 403 would
be a generation or two earlier.
-Bret
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>:|>
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Refinish King
Valve open length and piston at TDC deck heigth are what matter.
A rule of thumb I've found that works well: if it has a chain, Interference!
If it has a belt, when you order the parts, ask the counterperson. The
computer or book will tell you!
Refinish King
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Ed O'Rourke
went. I knew this by taking out the cam shaft sensor and looking in with a
mirror. It was December( really cold) so I took it to a mechanic. After he
replaced the chain kit he told me I needed both heads rebuilt and the push
rods replaced. So I let him do it (bad move ). 3 weeks later it threw a rod.
So now My son' chain just went on a 1997 Lumina 3.1L SFI engine. And I was
just wondering if it was an interference engine. Basically I thought just
the OHC engines with timing belts were interference engines. Thx
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Eightupman
And piston hight and deck hight (to include volume of combustion chamber)
dictate compression ratio. Hence flat top pistons vice dished will slightly
increase your compression, AND bring it closer to your valve. Same with
changing the head gasket thickness. So I stand my ground...compression
ratio matters.
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Eightupman
87, BUT I just remembered only the Cutlass's were still produced with the
RWD V-8 in 87 and half of 88. I know little about the 3.8 that was in that
car.
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Charles Bendig
> Sure if an Olds 98 was produced in 1998. He reposted saying the car was
an
> 87, BUT I just remembered only the Cutlass's were still produced with the
> RWD V-8 in 87 and half of 88. I know little about the 3.8 that was in
that
> car.
Olds Delta 88 and 98 Royals or Broughams were RWD untill 1990. I even
have a 1990 Olds full size sationwagon at my shop with a (blown up) Olds 307
V8.
Dont forget that from 1991 to 1996 Olds have a version of the Cparice
Classic, and a wagon version too.
The last Cutlass RWD was the 1988 Cutlass Surpreame Classic. All 1988
RWD Cutlass's were Classic Models and all have the 307 V8.
Charles
Ed O'Rourke
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1G3CW1137H4302156
1 - Manufactured in USA
G - Manufactured by General Motors
3 - Oldsmobile Division
CW - 98 Regency Brougham Carline Series
1 - Two Door Coupe/Sedan Styles 11,27,37,47,57,97 Body Style
1 - Manual Belts Restraint Codes
3 - 3.8L V6 MFI engine
7 - Check Digit (See below for details)
H - 1987 model year
4 - Assembled at Orion, MI or Scarborough, OH
302156 - Sequential Build Number
Check Digit verified!
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Charles Bendig
> I owned a 1987 Olds 98 Regency. Front wheel drive..
98 Regency vs Delta 98, or 98 Royal. My point is between erly 1980's
thru the mid 90's Olds had more then one car under the same model name.
A good Example of this is the Cutlass. You had in one year a G-body,
a N Body, an X body and a W body wearing that name plate. You had to get in
to the sub-model names to know just reading what was what.
1988 Cutlass Surpreame is a W-body (lumina, regal, grand prix FWD)
1988 Cutlass Surpreame Classic is a G-body (Monte, Regal, Gran Prix RWD)
1988 Cutlass Calais is an N-body (Grand Am, Skylark FWD)
1988 Cutlass Cirea (spelling?) was a X-body (evolved from the Citation)
(Celeberty, Century, 6000/Bonniville)
A bit confusing eh?
Charles
shiden_Kai
> 1988 Cutlass Cirea (spelling?) was a X-body (evolved from the
> Citation) (Celeberty, Century, 6000/Bonniville)
While it "might" have evolved from the X-body, the
Ciera's were A-bodies.
Ian
Eightupman
Forgot about the whale wagons...
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Eightupman
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Charles Bendig
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Thanks for the correction. I used to own a few real A bodies. 64-72
Midsize (Chevelle-ElCamino, Tempist/Lemans/GTO, Cutlass/F82, Skylark). When
I say A body thats what Im refering to.
Charles
Charles Bendig
> BTW is that Olds wagon for sale? I have an Olds 350 that needs a home
Ill check and see. If it is, Ill post you a note here. It belongs to my
business partner. He had intensions of fixing it up. Yet he has more
projects then he can handle.
Charles
Charles Bendig
> Wish I had a classic.....Bucket seats......
>
> Forgot about the whale wagons...
>
The Whale Wagons sell well. As we supply derby cars to people (bought
from tow yards not open to the public).
The classic I just crushed was a bench seat car. 60/40 split. Don't
worry, the only part that was crushed was the body. The frame is going under
my old 86 Monte Calro LS body, with the nose off a 88 SS.
We striped every part worth saving off the classic, including the
interior. In it's slow death, it alowed 7 other G-bodies to live.
Charles
Charles Bendig
The olds Wagon is for sale. First $450 in hand walks away with a 1990
Olds wagon with a locked up 307.
We do have a clear title.
Charles
rarepar...@yahoo.com
Eightupman
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Charles Bendig
> Heres the big question....where you at??
Just outside of Dayton Ohio.
Charles
Eightupman
it would cost too much to get up there to get it, and tow her back
Would love to have it though. Now if you come across an 87 or 88 Cutlass
Supreme with buckets (complete solid car, engine optional) I may consider a
trip your way regardless....my real e-mail is eight...@hotmail.com
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> Damn...a bit too far to make it worth my while..............I'm in NC, and
> it would cost too much to get up there to get it, and tow her back
>
> Would love to have it though. Now if you come across an 87 or 88 Cutlass
> Supreme with buckets (complete solid car, engine optional) I may consider
a
> trip your way regardless....my real e-mail is eight...@hotmail.com
>
Ill tow it down there for $300. Using my tow bar, and my 90 chevy
pick up.
Or for $250 Ill install your olds 350, and you can drive her home.
Charles
Eightupman
for the Cutlass. That is what I really want....and will have one day.
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Charles Bendig
> Very tempting offer, but after thinking about it, ,I am going to hold out
> for the Cutlass. That is what I really want....and will have one day.
Don't hold your breath wiating on one from this area. The Ghetto Boys
gobble them up. Especially the rust free ones.
Charles
Eightupman
rough...The quarters are dented up pretty bad and the interior is
shot.....BUT there is no rust underneath........They are hard to come by
down here too...
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down the road, it is owned by my wife's cousin. About two years ago it
was repainted (chalky paint and ugly color) at the time they went over
it top to bottom, only two small rust spots on the rear deck lid (down
at the crimp as usual for GM). It now has a mint green paint and the
vinyl roof has been redone in white. They don't drive it much and Deb
said she is looking to sell it. It does need one LR marker light lens
(kids and bikes don't belong near cars) and the wiring needs to be
reloomed under the dash (everything works but it looks ugly if you look
up from under the dash) and it need a few of the emissions lines
connected up. It had AC but the compressor went south so they removed
most of the hardware, and the air cleaner housing is the wrong one for
the car. (Engine and trans were gone through at the same time ( 307
Olds with the metric POS behind it) the rest of the car was done. Rear
frame rails are like new, trunk is almost perfect.
Price wise I think she said she was going to start at 3500-4000.00.
--
Steve Williams
Near Cooperstown NY
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Ps
Buy it before the ghetto gangstaz get it and ruin it!
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Charles Bendig
> I know...I'm from NC, and have a line on a 87 442 that is a little
> rough...The quarters are dented up pretty bad and the interior is
> shot.....BUT there is no rust underneath........They are hard to come by
> down here too...
>
You would be well advised to purchase it. The cars are popular from
coast to coast. Drop your olds 350 in it, farm out any body work you can
not do. Call Year One and see if they have the interior items, if they
don't they might know where to get them.
Then Enjoy perserving one of the 80's Muscle Cars.
Charles
Eightupman
quite ready to sell....I see it parked at the gas station where she works
and I say to my wife every time I drive by..."see my car??" I talk to her
regularly so she knows I am very interested. She did say to check with her
this summer.....well hell it IS summer...to see if it was time for her to
part with it. Of course money talks so I could walk up with the cash and
try to get it on the spot. I would be a nice guy her home!! But then
again, you never know how people will react so I am being very careful.
Don't want to turn her off to the deal...
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(has a seized 305, but I have both a Chevy 350 and an Olds 350 that I can
put back) but the body is awesome, and may not even need paint. Need to
clean it up a bit to be sure. It has been stuffed in my garage for 2 years
now with junk piling on it....
Cooperstown is near my old stomping ground. Grew up outside of Albany. I
get up there every now and again, so it is not far fetched to make it up
there to see it if it is still available.....Does it have buckets, or bench?
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Mike Levy
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>Thanks, but got a 79 in the garage that I stole for $200. It needs a motor
>(has a seized 305, but I have both a Chevy 350 and an Olds 350 that I can
>put back) but the body is awesome, and may not even need paint. Need to
>clean it up a bit to be sure. It has been stuffed in my garage for 2 years
>now with junk piling on it....
>
>Cooperstown is near my old stomping ground. Grew up outside of Albany. I
>get up there every now and again, so it is not far fetched to make it up
>there to see it if it is still available.....Does it have buckets, or bench?
>
Wow, Cooperstown, an ex-Albany resident and myself. Looks like
Upstate, NY is well-represented in here. Where near Albany were you
Eightupman?
Eightupman
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>Born in Troy, grew up in Watervliet
>
Not far from me, Clifton Park here...
Eightupman
dealer in December.
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Mike Levy
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>Ah yes....know it well too. Was up there at the Chevy dealer and the RV
>dealer in December.
>
Yup, practically around the corner from there.
My folks have been treated fairly well by that RV dealer. Oddly,
we've never bought a vehicle at the Chevy dealer, only Chevy dealer we
dealt with was DeNooyer on 2 occasions, but I go in there asking about
parts once in a while.
Eightupman
about 6-8 months ago when they started dicking him around about a promotion.
Now he works for the state.
Damn, it is a small cyberspace!!!
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> On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 21:07:08 GMT, "Eightupman"
> <eight...@newemail.com> wrote:
>
> >Ah yes....know it well too. Was up there at the Chevy dealer and the RV
> >dealer in December.
> >
>
><snip>
Mike Levy
<eight...@newemail.com> wrote:
>No shit...My brother was the parts guy over at DeNooyer. He quit there
>about 6-8 months ago when they started dicking him around about a promotion.
>Now he works for the state.
>
>Damn, it is a small cyberspace!!!
Bought my truck at DeNooyer Chevy in Dec. Really is a small world. I
only dealt with the service and sales guys. I might have bought a
part for my old truck there at some point. My folks bought a van
there back in 93 or 94.
Eightupman
with a few thousand miles on it... I surely hope not. My brother said that
one of the bosses crinkled the truck and they fixed it and tried to sell it
as a demo...used the two tone to hide the work.
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Mike Levy
<eight...@newemail.com> wrote:
>Didn't happen to buy a white 2003 1500 with silver two tone??? a Demo???
>with a few thousand miles on it... I surely hope not. My brother said that
>one of the bosses crinkled the truck and they fixed it and tried to sell it
>as a demo...used the two tone to hide the work.
Nah, got a 2000 S-10 ZR2, the Blue one they had in Dec. There was a
Red one with a cap on the lot at the same time.
Eightupman
for. They "claimed" it was a demo with 100% factory warranty...blah, blah,
blah. 2000 miles or so, don't really remember. I had questioned the silver
two tone, as it was rare for an 03 base model truck to have it. At least
all the white trucks I had looked at. I didn't get under it to look for
damage because the really stupid low price made me question the integrity of
the deal.. Went back to talk to my brother and he gave me the low down on
it. Someone got took.
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