04 lesabre: various interior lights
pm
there are many interior lights which dont work on my 04 lesabre. in
particular the radio, climate control and steering wheel control lights.
is this common? the radio and climate control lights seem to be on
circuit boards... i havent pulled the steering wheel apart to see how
the lights are configured there.
is there a relatively easy fix for any or all of these lights?
tia,
peter
Ed Pawlowski
"pm" <p...@sbcglogal.net> wrote in message
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> hi,
>
> there are many interior lights which dont work on my 04 lesabre. in
> particular the radio, climate control and steering wheel control lights.
> is this common?
Yes, too common. Soon, the switches won't work either. I have the cruise
control button jammed "on" with a toothpick broken off at the top.
Mine is an '01 and I have a long list of things falling apart. The climate
control is hot on drivers side, cold on passenger's side too. I've not even
looked into that yet. I suspect a damper that is not moving.
peter
>
> Yes, too common. Soon, the switches won't work either. I have the cruise
> control button jammed "on" with a toothpick broken off at the top.
>
sigh
dumb little things like this are part of the reason so many go to
overseas marques....
peter
Alerda Jones
"peter" <p...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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And get the same treatment...
80 Knight
Yeah, because Toyota's never fucking break down. Some of you people
seriously shouldn't be allowed to breed.
peter
>> sigh
>> dumb little things like this are part of the reason so many go to
>> overseas marques....
>
> Yeah, because Toyota's never fucking break down. Some of you people
> seriously shouldn't be allowed to breed.
easy there.
i have bought two new cars in my life, 97 bonneville, 04 lesabre.
gm has been good to me in ways i will not describe here.
i have had many others fords, chevy, olds, vw, saab, "real" mini, honda,
mazda, scion. most have given me troubles which most of the time i take
in stride. however, it is the niggling annoyances, (like little lights
which cant be fix), which bother me most.
it is telling that you mention toyota...isnt buick the "most reliable"
brand now?
i dont like the situation the domestic cars companies are in but not to
recognize or not to acknowledge how they got into the current situation
is no way to correct it
if this thread continues in the direction, there should be a different
subject started.
peter
Mike
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80 Knight
> 80 Knight wrote:
>>> sigh
>>> dumb little things like this are part of the reason so many go to
>>> overseas marques....
>>
>> Yeah, because Toyota's never fucking break down. Some of you people
>> seriously shouldn't be allowed to breed.
>
> easy there.
> i have bought two new cars in my life, 97 bonneville, 04 lesabre.
> gm has been good to me in ways i will not describe here.
>
> i have had many others fords, chevy, olds, vw, saab, "real" mini, honda,
> mazda, scion. most have given me troubles which most of the time i take
> in stride. however, it is the niggling annoyances, (like little lights
> which cant be fix), which bother me most.
To my knowledge, there is nothing on you're vehicle that can not be fixed.
> it is telling that you mention toyota...isnt buick the "most reliable"
> brand now?
Depends on which survey you read, or who you talk too.
> i dont like the situation the domestic cars companies are in but not to
> recognize or not to acknowledge how they got into the current situation is
> no way to correct it
I totally agree. However, I also like to point out that there are far too
many people who think the Japanese produce jewels, when in fact, they
produce products on the same level (at times, worse) as the Domestic auto
makers. Sorry Peter, I didn't mean to jump down your throat there, it just
really get's to me when people bitch and whine about such stupid things, and
abandon an entire brand of vehicle for said things. What's worse (and I
have seen it too many times to count) is when there new (likely Japanese)
brand starts to be affected by the same stupid things, they consider it less
relevant, and less annoying. All Hail our Japanese OverLords!!...That'll be
the day.
AJ
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My '97 LeSabre is flawless. Guess they don't make them that way
any more. Did get a strange "security" light flashing, but found that
the trunk was not properly closed.
pm
>>
>> i have had many others fords, chevy, olds, vw, saab, "real" mini,
>> honda, mazda, scion. most have given me troubles which most of the
>> time i take in stride. however, it is the niggling annoyances, (like
>> little lights which cant be fix), which bother me most.
>
> To my knowledge, there is nothing on you're vehicle that can not be fixed.
hi,
the lights on the climate control are all soldered onto a little circuit
board, is there a way to replace/fix them w/o replacing the board?
the radio lights dont seem to be replaceable either, are they?
i really dont want to mess up the steering wheel to research the lights
there...any guidence tyo replacing them would be appreciated,
thanks,
peter
80 Knight
> 80 Knight wrote:
>
>>>
>>> i have had many others fords, chevy, olds, vw, saab, "real" mini, honda,
>>> mazda, scion. most have given me troubles which most of the time i take
>>> in stride. however, it is the niggling annoyances, (like little lights
>>> which cant be fix), which bother me most.
>>
>> To my knowledge, there is nothing on you're vehicle that can not be
>> fixed.
>
> hi,
>
> the lights on the climate control are all soldered onto a little circuit
> board, is there a way to replace/fix them w/o replacing the board?
You can purchase new lights, unsolder the lights off the board, and
reinstall the new lights. Or, try and find the same vehicle at a junk yard,
and just use that board (my local yards would sell such a board for about 5
bucks.
> the radio lights dont seem to be replaceable either, are they?
Same as above. The lights are all replaceable, you just need to know how to
solder.
> i really dont want to mess up the steering wheel to research the lights
> there...any guidence tyo replacing them would be appreciated,
If you are talking about the steering wheel radio controls, I don't know
about your vehicle, but most just pop out, and you can unattach the
connectors, and do the same as with the radio, and the climate control
boards. Unsolder the existing lights off, and resolder new ones on.
PeterD
>80 Knight wrote:
>
>>>
>>> i have had many others fords, chevy, olds, vw, saab, "real" mini,
>>> honda, mazda, scion. most have given me troubles which most of the
>>> time i take in stride. however, it is the niggling annoyances, (like
>>> little lights which cant be fix), which bother me most.
>>
>> To my knowledge, there is nothing on you're vehicle that can not be fixed.
>
>hi,
>
>the lights on the climate control are all soldered onto a little circuit
>board, is there a way to replace/fix them w/o replacing the board?
If you know how to solder, know what voltage the lamps are (easily
measured with a DVOM), know a source for the lamps (sometimes Radio
Sludge, sometimes the Internet), yes, anything like that can be fixed.
But it takes skills that the average mechanic may not have, and tools
(low wattage soldering iron, etc.) that he may not have as well.
>
>the radio lights dont seem to be replaceable either, are they?
Same as above!
Ed Pawlowski
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>
> My '97 LeSabre is flawless. Guess they don't make them that way
> any more. Did get a strange "security" light flashing, but found that
> the trunk was not properly closed.
>
My '97 was not, but flaws were minor. My '91 had a host of problems, as did
my '84 and '83. My '07 Sonata has been flawless so far. Better than any
car I've ever owned at 57,000 miles.
Any mechanical device will eventually break or wear out. The problem GM
gave me was too much too soon and no help.
Ed Pawlowski
"80 Knight" <nos...@please.com> wrote in message .
>
>> it is telling that you mention toyota...isnt buick the "most reliable"
>> brand now?
>
> Depends on which survey you read, or who you talk too.
>
The J D Powers is "initial quality" IIRC. While that is a good thing, they
are rating cars that have no real miles yet. The best survey would be at
50,000 or more miles. If you trade cars every 30,000 or so, any brand is
probably very good.
Mike
The statistical fact is the average new vehicle buyer in the US replaces
that vehicle with another new vehicle in three to four years with 30,000 to
45,000 miles on the odometer.
Less than 30% of new vehicle buyers in the US keep a vehicle for up to ten
years, and only around 2% keep them longer, according to the US D.O.C.
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Ed Pawlowski
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> Why would the do that, the are surveying NEW car buyers?
>
> The statistical fact is the average new vehicle buyer in the US replaces
> that vehicle with another new vehicle in three to four years with 30,000
> to 45,000 miles on the odometer.
>
> Less than 30% of new vehicle buyers in the US keep a vehicle for up to ten
> years, and only around 2% keep them longer, according to the US D.O.C.
OK, pick a number, if 50k is too much, how about 25k? 30K? Those that do
trade at low miles sell those cars to buyers that never buy new, but still
want reliability. Some of us put 70k to 150k on our cars. They will need
repairs along the way, but an overall good track record helps with resale
value.
I expect any car is going to be pretty good right from the showroom, but I
don't want to have to worry about problems later.
I liked my car from the showroom and would have given it high marks. Less
than two years later though, it was turning to crap and the slippery slope
got steeper after the warranty. Right now it only gets about 3000 miles a
year so I don't want to invest in a new car to replace it, but it continues
to deteriorate.
Mike
you not understand?
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>
> "Mike" <mike...@lycos.com> wrote in message
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>> Why would they do that, the are surveying NEW car buyers?
Ed Pawlowski
> What part of "Why would they do that, the are surveying NEW car buyers,
> did you not understand?
>
Yes, I get that, but it is almost meaningless. New cars from the factory
are good. Cars with 25,000 miles are starting to show the flaws. That is
what counts in reliability. I can assemble a car with duct tape and get it
out the showroom door.
What part of long term reliability don't you get?
Mike
bought cars, not USED car owners.
If they waited five years the survey would be useless because in five years
the cars on sales then are not the same cars that were sold five years
sooner.
If the wanted to survey buyers that still owned their new car five years
later to print for those who might be looking at a USED car, they would do
so, but there would be far fewer original owners to survey and they would
first need to find those that STILL own their car.
It is far cheaper and easier to simply buy the list of recent buyer from the
manufacturer
By the way where do you live that you see cars today that are starting to
show wear at 25K, Russia?
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Ed Pawlowski
> years the cars on sales then are not the same cars that were sold five
> years sooner.
Never said five years. I said some amount of miles that will offer true
predictability of the drivetrain that is often used for many years and many
models. Like the old 4 speed automatic GM ued for a long time with some
tweaks.
>
> By the way where do you live that you see cars today that are starting to
> show wear at 25K, Russia?
No, the Buick LeSabre in my driveway.
Mike
buyers not USED car buyers.
The average new vehicle buyer in the US REPLACES that vehicle with another
NEW vehicle in three to four years with an average of 30,000 t0 45,000 miles
on the odometer.
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Ed Pawlowski
> I'm try one more time then I give up, BECAUSE they are surveying NEW car
> buyers not USED car buyers.
>
> The average new vehicle buyer in the US REPLACES that vehicle with another
> NEW vehicle in three to four years with an average of 30,000 t0 45,000
> miles on the odometer.
Surveying NEW cars is pretty much meaningless though. Most are perfect for
the first 30 to 90 days. Who really gives a crap that one model is 1.2
defects per thousand while another is 1.22 defects per thousand. Tell me
which one holds up better over the expected life of the vehicle. If I'm
replacing every 30,000 miles, is model A going to cost me $100 in repairs
while model B is typically costing $900? That is meaningful information.
Even if covered under warranty, there is the aggravation factor of taking it
back to the dealer.
What Powers is doing is the rough equivalent of surveying cans of beans
sitting on the supermarket shelf. It does not tell you how they are going
to taste next week when you cook them.
HLS
That is the way I feel too. Well said, in my estimation.
Mike
are in the hands of the buyers that bought both domestic and imports and the
fact is they all fall into the same small 25 category of those that had a
problem. LOL
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Mike
was still up around 14,000,000
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