Monza Answers (H Body)
CLIFF
Hi there fellow Monza Nuts (Vegas are family too!) Glad to see alot of
interest for these cars. Finally being able to get on-line via friend. I
see that I can answer many questions asked by fellow enthusiasts.
1- GM did not put the saginaw 5-speed in V-8 equipped H cars for lack of
durability. Stick with the 4-speed or see if you can adapt a beefier
5-speed to the car.
2- if you are seeking parts for the H cars you can contact Dave's Vega
Villiage and for H07s Miner's Mountain of Monzas listed on the H07
registry page.
3-the rare dual tailpipe on some H cars with the V8 either came with a 2
1/4 or 2 1/2 single exhaust pipe from behind the CAT to the single inlet
muffler and exited via dual outlets. 1 going to the stock location on the
passenger side and the other going around the gas tank & out towards the
driver's side.
4- Note: on the astroroof option on the skyhawk - yes the glass roof
went from the windsheild to the targa bar but the view from inside the
car to the outside was a little larger than a car equipped with a stock
sunroof.
5- for those people looking for headers which work with stock motor
mounts & no cutting required are Super comp headers from Hooker - 3
pieces on passenger side & 2 on drivers that all slide together. Part
#2135.
6A- for 5 lug conversion (REAR) you can use the 83-87 approx. S-10 axels
which have the 26 axel splines (S-10 have 2 sizes of carriers & axle
splines) These axles are about approx. 1/4 inch shorter which means the
outer axle seals on the diff. will need to be pushed in slightly so that
the C clips can slide onto the axles. Also the drums might rub against
the backing plate due to the fact the axles are slightly shorter & will
either need a spacer between the drum & the hub or, which I did, milled
down approx. 4 mm of the outside edge of the inner lining surface edge
(note: axle studs are metric.)
6B- Converting the front you can contact Dave's Vega Village for 5 lug
rotors which are direct bolt-ons, or you can use the '79 (late model) to
'83 G body cars spindle rotors & calipers. These spindles are similar in
height and geometry to the H cars. One majoe difference is that the
steering knuckle sits lower & when installed with you wheels & tires the
car actually sits higher off the ground (what a delightful bonus! No more
bottoming out!) The easiest way to install these spindles would be (A)
ream the upper control arm to accept the matching ball joint for the
spindles (B) either sleeve or weld & redrill the lower spindle end to
accept the Monza lower ball joint (C) use the G body tie-rod end 'cuz the
adjusting sleeve is the same on the H cars.
6C- I also would like to know if the '79-'81 Trans Am (WS6) rear disc
brakes would work with this conversion
P.S. The G car spindle where the ball joints go through the hole are
higher (more material) & will need to be milled down slightly so the
codder pin for the crown nut will slide through.
7- Auto custom carpets (1-800-633-2358) has replacement carpets for
'76-'80 Monzas as well as for Vegas.
8A- I had a restoration shop fabricate, install & weld frame connectors
onto the car which start behind the front wheel/tranny area goes to the
outside of the car & runs down thw length of the car to the rear lower
control arms. The lower control arms via an angled & fabricated bracket
are connected to the frame connectors in the stock location for added
strength.
8B- Has anyone ever thought or known someone who has made some sort of
engine brace for these cars something like the ones used on Mustangs but
would differ in that the bar would have to be angled down and connect to
probably the upper front control arm bolt?
9- Soft seal has reproduction seals for the H07 doors (sorry don't hve
tel. # or address.)
10- The answer for the rear end ratios GM in the H07 cars had ratios of
2.29, 2.56, 2.73, 2.93, 3.08, 3.23, 3.42, & in the Vegas also 3.73, &
4.10. For 1979 ratios were 2.29, for V8 auto. 2.56 for V6 & optional was
2.93.
11- A note for people looking for front shocks '88 Fiero shocks are the
same as H cars & Monroe makes their gas matic #5946 & their formula GP
(H.P.) #24046 that are direct bolt in replacements.
HOPE THIS HELP ALL THE H07 ENTHUSIASTS FROM YOUR FRIENDLY MONZA MANIAC
CLIIF
P.S. YOU CAN REACH ME THROUGH THE H07 REGISTRY CONTACT MIKE.
PLEASE DO NOT TRY TO REACH ME AT THE ADDRESS GIVEN AS IT IS NOT MINE
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Bacchus
Hi there,
Where can we get these pipes, it would be nice to modify them to fit so we
can run duals all the way back.
>
>3-the rare dual tailpipe on some H cars with the V8 either came with a 2
>1/4 or 2 1/2 single exhaust pipe from behind the CAT to the single inlet
>muffler and exited via dual outlets. 1 going to the stock location on the
>passenger side and the other going around the gas tank & out towards the
>driver's side.
>
I thought the Hooker headers required Hooker engine/tranny mounts. I've
been told by numerous sources that you need the Hooker kit and that the
stock mounts will not work. I have a set of Hookers and they most
definately will have to exit through the fender wells on my 75 vega. So,
cutting will be needed. I've been searching for Hooker kits because the
word is that stock won't work. Anyone know for sure?
Ian Novinger
I had a 78 Monza with the Stock v8 and was able to use the Hooker Header. I
have them still and am selling them for $150 if anyone one wants them. They
go throught the frame on one side(but I acan't remember which).
Ian
Bacchus wrote in message <69uksp$429$1...@news2.alpha.net>...
Phil G.
Bacchus wrote:
>
> Hi there,
>
> Where can we get these pipes, it would be nice to modify them to fit so we
> can run duals all the way back.
You can run duals all the way back NOW! These were fake duals.
Basically a single exh. from the cat over the rearend into an oval
single-inlet/dual-outlet muffler. There was a 90 degree bend and another
resonator which went between the tank and the bumper, turned down at the
left rear.
> >
> >3-the rare dual tailpipe on some H cars with the V8 either came with a 2
> >1/4 or 2 1/2 single exhaust pipe from behind the CAT to the single inlet
> >muffler and exited via dual outlets. 1 going to the stock location on the
> >passenger side and the other going around the gas tank & out towards the
> >driver's side.
How "rare" are these? My Monza had this setup, and I still have the cat
and everything (mufflers shot though)...
The Monza has 2.25" true duals and a pair of 3-chamber Flowmasters in
the stock muffler location now, and I have pics and RealAudio files on
my website at: http://www.geocities.com/~cphilg/carpage.html
> >
> I thought the Hooker headers required Hooker engine/tranny mounts. I've
> been told by numerous sources that you need the Hooker kit and that the
> stock mounts will not work. I have a set of Hookers and they most
> definately will have to exit through the fender wells on my 75 vega. So,
> cutting will be needed. I've been searching for Hooker kits because the
> word is that stock won't work. Anyone know for sure?
>
> >5- for those people looking for headers which work with stock motor
> >mounts & no cutting required are Super comp headers from Hooker - 3
> >pieces on passenger side & 2 on drivers that all slide together. Part
> >#2135.
> >
Yep. I have a 15-year-old set of these headers, and there's no problem
other than the stock motor mounts are wimpy and you can't get 'em
anymore. Anybody make aftermarket ones, or am I gonna have to fab up my
own replacements one of these days?
I think the confusion is that you can't use the stock mounts in a V8
VEGA conversion, but the hooker headers for the Monza were designed to
fit with the stock mounts...
Strangest feeling when I opened the box, too. It weighed the same as a
normal set of headers, but at first it looked empty (all the tubes were
in the bottom half of the box)...
If you have a V8 Monza the Hookers are really a good fitting set of
headers. I found it was MUCH easier to change the plugs, too! It also
makes a starter swap possible without dropping the tranny (you can take
the tubes off from above, remove the solenoid, and remove the starter,
then reverse the process to install the new one)...
I DID have to hacksaw the bracketry for the A6 and make a couple of
spacers (guess they didn't figure anybody'd keep the A/C)...
They've held up fine in 100,000 miles of daily driving on the 262.5,
and now 7000 behind the 350 (paint sticks better the second time!)...
Check out the sounds on my web page and let me know what you think!
Phil.
coo...@cig.mot.com
BERS...@AOL.COM (CLIFF) wrote:
> Hi there fellow Monza Nuts (Vegas are family too!) Glad to see alot of
> interest for these cars. Finally being able to get on-line via friend. I
> see that I can answer many questions asked by fellow enthusiasts.
>
> mounts & no cutting required are Super comp headers from Hooker - 3
> pieces on passenger side & 2 on drivers that all slide together. Part
> #2135.
I have the Hooker Super comp 3-piece set on mine. Beat up and rusted the
first set before i ever got the car done. Learned from that. The second
set was custom cut and modified before dinging them up. Works with Power
steering. Had them jet hot coated before ever putting them in. Too darn
expensive to do over.... I have the aftermarket mount kit for the V8. It
was originally a 4-cyl car. (Kit is from Adaptec, but looks exactly like
the hooker kit.)
> 6A- for 5 lug conversion (REAR) you can use the 83-87 approx. S-10 axels
> which have the 26 axel splines (S-10 have 2 sizes of carriers & axle
> splines) These axles are about approx. 1/4 inch shorter which means the
> outer axle seals on the diff. will need to be pushed in slightly so that
> the C clips can slide onto the axles. Also the drums might rub against
> the backing plate due to the fact the axles are slightly shorter & will
> either need a spacer between the drum & the hub or, which I did, milled
> down approx. 4 mm of the outside edge of the inner lining surface edge
> (note: axle studs are metric.)
this is one I want to know more about. I am going to do this one. Do you
use the backing plates from the S-10? What brake shoes do you need? What
other restrictions do you worrry about? I am planning on adding a posi
unit to the 3rd member.
> 6B- Converting the front you can contact Dave's Vega Village for 5 lug
> rotors which are direct bolt-ons, or you can use the '79 (late model) to
> '83 G body cars spindle rotors & calipers. These spindles are similar in
> height and geometry to the H cars. One majoe difference is that the
> steering knuckle sits lower & when installed with you wheels & tires the
> car actually sits higher off the ground (what a delightful bonus! No more
> bottoming out!) The easiest way to install these spindles would be (A)
> ream the upper control arm to accept the matching ball joint for the
> spindles (B) either sleeve or weld & redrill the lower spindle end to
> accept the Monza lower ball joint (C) use the G body tie-rod end 'cuz the
> adjusting sleeve is the same on the H cars.
I have already purchased the parts for this swap. Got it from a wrecked
Monte that had just had a full brake job. Thick, new rotors, clean
calipers, new thick pads, proportioning valve, and master cylinder.
> 6C- I also would like to know if the '79-'81 Trans Am (WS6) rear disc
> brakes would work with this conversion
I had never thought about this one! What a great option! Seems like it
would work great with the S-10 axle swap! Hmmmmm.... Anyone have more
info?
venom_...@nospam.hotmail.com
On Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:33:05 -0600, "Bacchus" <bac...@inwave.com>
wrote:
>
>Hi there,
>
>Where can we get these pipes, it would be nice to modify them to fit so we
>can run duals all the way back.
>I thought the Hooker headers required Hooker engine/tranny mounts. I've
>been told by numerous sources that you need the Hooker kit and that the
>stock mounts will not work. I have a set of Hookers and they most
>definately will have to exit through the fender wells on my 75 vega. So,
>cutting will be needed. I've been searching for Hooker kits because the
>word is that stock won't work. Anyone know for sure?
>
I've got the Hooker street V8 Vega headers in my Monza and they fit
very snuggly against the passenger side motor mount and both sides
have tubes that have to go through a cut hole in the fenderwells and
rejoin the others at the collectors.
For more info, see my website at http://www.datasys.net/~dagumm
Later
Bob