mercon V fluid in a 2008 Fusion?
ant3...@yahoo.com
2008
Fusion?
This is the 4 cylinder motor. The transmission is supposed to have the
FNR5
Transmission fluid in it, but the guys at work insisted on putting the
Mercon V in it, cause they said our "lube sheet" stated Mercon V ,One
of the
supervisors said "I'll show you" I said "No, I have the lube sheet
right
here" They saw Mercon V but that was for the power steering. They just
sort
of jumped the gun.
I printed up papers from the ford site and brought in to show them,
but they
just chose to leave the Mercon V in the transmission.
Do you think this will harm the transmission?
They dropped the pan, changed the filter and refilled, so I am
guessing
about 5 or 6 quarts.
These are the ATF spec pages I printed up. Thanks, Tony
FNR5 Automatic Transmission Fluid
http://fcsdchemicalsandlubricants.com/main/product.asp?product=FNR5%20Automatic%20Transmission%20Fluid&category=Transmission%20Fluid
MERCON® V Automatic Transmission and Power Steering Fluid
http://fcsdchemicalsandlubricants.com/main/product.asp?product=MERCON%AE%20V%20Automatic%20Transmission%20and%20Power%20Steering%20Fluid&category=Transmission%20Fluid
SC Tom
If it's supposed to have the FNR5 in it, then it should have the FNR5 in it.
According to the Owners Manual, if it's the 5-speed, then it uses FNR5
(XT-9-QMM5). If it's the 6-speed, it uses Motorcraft Premium ATF XT-8-QAW.
Hopefully "the guys at work" will cover your transmission costs if the
MerconV causes a problem.
--
SC Tom
C. E. White
installed the correct fluid. Was this a dealer? If so, I'd be rasing hell
with Ford Customer Service too. I never trust shops to get the ATF right. I
have a 2007 Fusion with the 6 speed and bought a case of the correct fluid
justo be sure I had before I had the fluid changed. For my 2009 F150, I made
sure a shop I trust ordered the correct fluid from Ford and verified he had
it before I left my truck for an ATF cvhange. Too many shops think Mercon V
is good for everything. Maybe your transmission will be OK, but I would
worry it will be Ok for a couple of years, then fail.....
Ed
<ant3...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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ant3...@yahoo.com
> If it was my car, I'd raise hell until they removed all of the wrongand
> installed the correct fluid. Was this a dealer? If so, I'd be rasing hell
> with Ford Customer Service too. I never trust shops to get the ATF right. I
> have a 2007 Fusion with the 6 speed and bought a case of the correct fluid
> justo be sure I had before I had the fluid changed. For my 2009 F150, I made
> sure a shop I trust ordered the correct fluid from Ford and verified he had
> it before I left my truck for an ATF cvhange. Too many shops think Mercon V
> is good for everything. Maybe your transmission will be OK, but I would
> worry it will be Ok for a couple of years, then fail.....
>
> Ed
>
>
Thanks Guys, No basically a fleet car, not my car or a "customers" car
"Per say", More or less one of "ours"
Thanks, Tony
dr_jeff
According to the owner's manual, Mazda M5 is the specifications. As long
as the transmission oil meets those specs, you should be fine.
Personally, I would go with the Motorcraft oil, however.
Jeff
ant3...@yahoo.com
> > These are the ATF spec pages I printed up. Thanks, Tony
>
> > FNR5 Automatic Transmission Fluid
> >http://fcsdchemicalsandlubricants.com/main/product.asp?product=FNR5%2...
>
> > MERCON V Automatic Transmission and Power Steering Fluid
> >http://fcsdchemicalsandlubricants.com/main/product.asp?product=MERCON...
>
> According to the owner's manual, Mazda M5 is the specifications. As long
> as the transmission oil meets those specs, you should be fine.
> Personally, I would go with the Motorcraft oil, however.
>
> Jeff
Yes, and I understand they call it mazda M5 or MV, and some have
confused it with Mercon V, but it is not the same.
Auto Zone and advance auto both stated there computer called for The
"CASTROL IMPORT MULTIVEHICLE AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION FLUID" that I am
pretty sure meets the "Mazda M5" spec.
I had gotten 6 quarts of that, but I was on nite shift that day, and
they put the Mercon V in on day shift.
This PDF does state "Mazda ATF MV" so between Auto Zone ,Advance
auto, and this Castrol PDF I would say it is suitable for use in the
FNR5 transmission.
FWIW, I agree 100% it (the Fusion) should have the ford FNR5 or
equivalent ATF in it's transmission, but they did not want to listen
to me.
Now I might sound like an A$$-Whole, but personally, I hope the
transmission blows up, just to prove a point. ( Fo Mo Co's and mine)
BTY this car only has ~ 20,000 miles on it, and IMO did not need the
transmission serviced anyways.
Thanks, Tony
ant3...@yahoo.com
> This PDF does state "Mazda ATF MV" so between Auto Zone ,Advance
> auto, and this Castrol PDF I would say it is suitable for use in the
> FNR5 transmission.
Fprgot the link
http://www.castrol.com/liveassets/bp_internet/castrol/castrol_usa/STAGING/local_assets/downloads/p,q/pds_ImportMV.pdf
Sheldon
recently had my Escape serviced by my mechanic and it needed a change of
transmission fluid (60k). The car has an extended warranty, and my receipt
only says that he used synthetic fluid in the tranny and it was flushed. He
generally uses good fluids, Valvoline, etc., and the car is running fine.
Should I run to my Ford dealer and have the fluid changed to the Ford stuff?
ant3...@yahoo.com
the ATF.
I'll try to hunt around on the internet, so,
What year is the Escape
what is the motor size
Do you happen to know the transmission?
I think there should be a transmission code on the door,
then you cross it to your owners manual.
I know the synthetic fluid we get from Auto Zone at least meets the
Mercon V spec. Maybe higher.
Thanks,
Tony
ant3...@yahoo.com
> What year is the Escape? Do you know what the owners manual states for
> the ATF.
> I'll try to hunt around on the internet, so,
> What year is the Escape
> what is the motor size
> Do you happen to know the transmission?
> I think there should be a transmission code on the door,
> then you cross it to your owners manual.
> I know the synthetic fluid we get from Auto Zone at least meets the
> Mercon V spec. Maybe higher.
> Thanks,
> Tony
This page here says Mercon V but they don't say what year the escape
is.
http://www.ehow.com/how_6178916_change-transmission-fluid-ford-escape.html
You could talk to the mechanic, and ask to see the transmission fluid,
and read on the bottle, and see what specs the fluid meets.
But you 1st of course need to see what your transmission takes.
I have a feeling it is just the Mercon V, and the synth will be the
correct fluid.
Thanks, Tony
dr_jeff
I would take it back, tell them that they did not perform the service
that you paid for, and that they need to fix it. If they fail to fix it,
have the credit card cancel the transaction, take it elsewhere and have
the proper service done.
Jeff
dr_jeff
I am guessing that the service didn't require a tranny flush, so they
already did a wallet flush for you. You can call them and ask what fluid
they used. Why would think that they used an appropriate fluid.
jeff
Dave Dodson
news:ihfvhh$2np$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
No. Read your Owner's Manual! Determine the specification that is called
for in the Manual then check with your mech to be certain that the fluid he
used meets the specification in the Manual. If it does not, then you can
take the vehicle to the dealer or whatever.
DaveD
ant3...@yahoo.com
> On 1/22/11 10:44 AM, ant30...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jan 20, 6:40 pm, dr_jeff<u...@msu.edu> wrote:
>
> >>> These are the ATF spec pages I printed up. Thanks, Tony
>
> >>> FNR5 Automatic Transmission Fluid
> >>>http://fcsdchemicalsandlubricants.com/main/product.asp?product=FNR5%2...
>
> >>> MERCON V Automatic Transmission and Power Steering Fluid
> >>>http://fcsdchemicalsandlubricants.com/main/product.asp?product=MERCON...
>
> >> According to the owner's manual, Mazda M5 is the specifications. As long
> >> as the transmission oil meets those specs, you should be fine.
> >> Personally, I would go with the Motorcraft oil, however.
>
> >> Jeff
> > Now I might sound like an A$$-Whole, but personally, I hope the
> > transmission blows up, just to prove a point. ( Fo Mo Co's and mine)
> > BTY this car only has ~ 20,000 miles on it, and IMO did not need the
> > transmission serviced anyways.
> > Thanks, Tony
>
> I would take it back, tell them that they did not perform the service
> that you paid for, and that they need to fix it. If they fail to fix it,
> have the credit card cancel the transaction, take it elsewhere and have
> the proper service done.
Jeff
The "quoted text" shown is mine. If you are referring to the OP about
the Fusion with Merc V put in it,
Understand, again, this is not MY car, it is not a CUSTOMERS car,
it's more or less "OURS" It is a fleet garage. I work there.
Now, if we are talking about Sheldon's Escape, we don't know what the
mechanic used yet, and we don't know what the Escape takes yet, so we
don't know if it's the wrong fluid yet.
Tony
On Jan 23, 10:20 am, Dave Dodson <dave6...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> No. Read your Owner's Manual! Determine the specification that is called
> for in the Manual then check with your mech to be certain that the fluid he
> used meets the specification in the Manual. If it does not, then you can
> take the vehicle to the dealer or whatever.
> DaveD
I agree, This is what I am saying also.
Thanks, Tony
Sheldon
"Dave Dodson" <dave...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Thanks for the quick replies. I'm going to stop by tomorrow and ask what he
put in there. I trust him, but it doesn't hurt to ask. Also, he generally
flushes a tranny when he thinks it needs it. When I brought the car in I
was pretty sure it didn't need new fluid for quite a few miles, but he said
he checked it and it looked burned on the end of the stick. He's one of
those mechanics who's shop is so busy he doesn't do what isn't necessary. I
walk into the shop at my Ford dealer and there is never anybody in there.
Not sure if that is bad news about my dealer, or good new regarding the
reliability of Fords. :-)
Sheldon
"Sheldon" <she...@XXXXXXXXsopris.net> wrote in message
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BG claims it meets or exceeds most ATF, and mentions Mercon V. The car
shifts smoothly with no problems. BTW, it's a 2005 Escape, Auto with the
V6.
Sheldon
<ant3...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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My mechanic is using BG Synthetic ATF. Claims it meets or exceeds Mercon V
and most other ATF's. I'm having no problems with it, and I've had good
luck with other BG products in motorcycles and my Porsche.
SC Tom
"Sheldon" <she...@XXXXXXXXsopris.net> wrote in message
Unless he did a flush and fill at least twice with the new ATF, I'd be very
leery of changing from what the manual and manufacturer call for. My '02
Escape takes Mercon (not Mercon V), but a TSB that was released said that it
can also use the Mercon V dual usage ATF after a complete flush. The power
steering system can be changed to Mercon V, but the warning states that if
any of the original Mercon is left, overheating and premature failure can
occur. Around here, Mercon is still available at both Wal-Mart and Advantage
auto parts.As long as I can get it, I'll not be changing over. I have 4
gallons of it in the closet, so I should be set for a while. The only time I
need it is about every 10K miles when I do a "drain and fill" which uses a
gallon +/- a half pint.
--
SC Tom
Sheldon
"SC Tom" <s...@tom.net> wrote in message
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Mercon vs. Mercon V. It appears that Ford stopped making Mercon and advised
all dealerships to use Mercon V where Mercon is called for, even when it
says not to use Mercon V. There were problems early on, which is why your
manual may say NOT to use Mercon V, but Ford reformulated Mercon V to make
it compatible with Mercon and to address some seal problems Mercon V was
causing in the older cars. Apparently one of the downsides to Mercon V,
with owners, was that Mercon V did not slip as much as Mercon, so shifts
were a little more solid, and some customers complained they could feel each
shift. Ford engineers said this was not a problem, and would actually add
to the longevity of the transmission.
One of the Ford mechanics who commented on the post I read said that Ford
Escapes had a lot of failures with Mercon, probably because of the tranny
oil cooler not working correctly. Therefore, when the owner or dealer
switched to Mercon V the tranny was ready to go anyway. It was not a
mistake as the dealer was just following the latest bulletin. Another
problem when researching this is that most of the arguments regarding Mercon
vs. Mercon V are dated around 2005 and earlier. Mercon was ended in 2007.
Maybe Mercon is still easy to find since everyone switched to Mercon V and
left a lot of Mercon on the shelves.
So, based on all the time I just put in, and the replies I got here, I'm
going to stop worrying and be assured that my mechanic is correct, and any
newer, synthetic ATF that claims to meet or exceed Mercon V is the correct
fluid to use.
This is the Ford bulletin:
http://www.ford-trucks.com/tsb/fulltext/show_article.php?tsb=06-14-4 The
bulletin specifically mentions the '01 to '07 Escape, which all tell you in
their manuals NOT to use Mercon V. Obviously, the bulletin was meant to put
owners of these cars at ease, and to put dealerships at ease when servicing
these vehicles. The bulletin should also resolve any problems relating to
warranties.
ant3...@yahoo.com
> "SC Tom" <s...@tom.net> wrote in message
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> >> "Sheldon" <shel...@XXXXXXXXsopris.net> wrote in message
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> >>> "Dave Dodson" <dave6...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> >>>> "Sheldon" <shel...@XXXXXXXXsopris.net> wrote in
Thanks Sheldon, that's good to know.
So , your 05 escape originally called for mercon then?
And to recap, Ford is now saying to use Mercon V in place of plain
Mercon, even if the owners manual says not to use mercon V?
You did not happen to come across any 1st hand info of the results of
using Mercon V in place of the FNR5 ATF in the fusions did
you?............................LOL
thanks,
Tony
Sheldon
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> http://www.mazda3forums.com/index.php?topic=182692.0
> http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1677059
> http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1087019
>
If it was me, I would contact Ford directly, not the dealers, and see what
their offices have to say. As for my Escape: I drag raced a V10 Toureg
yesterday and kept up with him for awhile. :-) Smooth shifting all the way
with my synthetic BG (car calls for Mercon ONLY).
SPAM@verizon.net Anthony Diodati
"Sheldon" <she...@XXXXXXXXsopris.net> wrote in message
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>> http://www.mazda3forums.com/index.php?topic=182692.0
>> http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1677059
>> http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1087019
>>
> I'm not the one with the Fusion, but some of these posts are 3 years old.
> If it was me, I would contact Ford directly, not the dealers, and see what
> their offices have to say. As for my Escape: I drag raced a V10 Toureg
> yesterday and kept up with him for awhile. :-) Smooth shifting all the
> way with my synthetic BG (car calls for Mercon ONLY).
Could contact ford, pretty sure they would say use the FNR5 fluid from Ford
though.
Thanks, Tony
Sheldon
"Anthony Diodati" <mrbreezeet1NO SP...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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Then use what they say. The post started with Mercon, which Ford claims
they don't make anymore. So, that's why the Net is bombarded with questions
about Mercon vs. Mercon V. What do you do when your owner's manual and dip
stick say to "ONLY" use Mercon, NOT Mercon V? Hence, the mysterious service
bulletin that's so hard to find. If they sill make FNR5 ATF that's what I
would use, unless I could find a substitute that meets or exceeds it from a
reputable company, and after a short search I can't find anything as a
substitute. At least you can find what the car calls for.
>
C. E. White
"Sheldon" <she...@XXXXXXXXsopris.net> wrote in message
>> Could contact ford, pretty sure they would say use the FNR5 fluid from
>> Ford though.
>> Thanks, Tony
>
> Then use what they say. The post started with Mercon, which Ford claims
> they don't make anymore.
Actully the post started out with Mercon V being used in a transmission that
Ford says requires FNR5 (apparently the same as Mazda M5 ATF). The Mercon V
for Mercon debacle, while of interest to many, is not directly related to
the orignal post. The 4 cylinder Fusions use a Mazda sourced automatic
which uses a different ATF than other Fords.
The whole ATF thing is way out of hand. I have a 6 cylinder Fusion that has
a Aisin 6 speed automatic that uses one type of ATF not used by other Fords.
It is claimed to be the same as some Toyota ATF, but Ford calls it "Premium
Automatic Transmission Fluid." My F150 has a ZF sourced 6 speed automatic
that uses what Ford calls Mercon LV. Ford still sells new vehicles that use
Mercon V. And finally the new Fiesta uses a special fluid called "Dual
Clutch Transmission Fluid" in the computer shifted dual clutch automatic
transmission they have as an option.
It is not just Ford that is pulling this stuff. Toyota has at least two
different ATFs depending on the year and model of transmission. And my old
Nissan Frontier called for a very specific ATF that was not readily
available.
I no longer trusts shops to get the right ATF. I go to the dealer and buy
the right stuff and take it with me to the shop doing the fluid change. And
surprisingly, it is not always easy to get the dealership to come up with
the right stuff. When I had the fluid changed in my F150 it took a week for
the dealer to get the correct fluid (the Mercon LV). They said they never
used that - they always used Mercon V.....scary coming from a dealer.
I do wonder about the Mercon V for Mercon recommendation since for years
Ford said to not use Mercon V in a transmission that called for Mercon.
> So, that's why the Net is bombarded with questions about Mercon vs. Mercon
> V. What do you do when your owner's manual and dip stick say to "ONLY"
> use Mercon, NOT Mercon V? Hence, the mysterious service bulletin that's
> so hard to find. If they sill make FNR5 ATF that's what I would use,
> unless I could find a substitute that meets or exceeds it from a reputable
> company, and after a short search I can't find anything as a substitute.
> At least you can find what the car calls for.
Ed
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