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95 Ford Escort LX 1.9L SEFI crankshaft rotation and camshaft

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sams

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Sep 1, 2003, 11:39:13 PM9/1/03
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While on the process of changing the Timing Belt, as per Haynes manual
suggest (Chapter 2 Part A Engine Section 5.28).
Rotating the crankshaft damper bolt with a socket and breaker bar in
clockwise direction is not rotating the camshaft sprocket.

Currently the car is in neutral and hand brakes applied, drive belt
removed still timing belt and crankshaft pully still on.

Appreciate any help.

Sam

skidflap

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Sep 1, 2003, 11:54:12 PM9/1/03
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just did that job today, is the tensioner on?
should turn crank and cam at 1/2 of crank.
are you putting a new water pump on it?
i would suggest it. see my post from earlier this evening.
why hassle having to do a pump soon.

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Skidflap

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deserve neither liberty nor safety."
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sams

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Sep 2, 2003, 7:36:54 AM9/2/03
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> just did that job today, is the tensioner on?
Drive belt tensioner off. Crankshaft pulley is on.

> should turn crank and cam at 1/2 of crank.

I turned the crankshaft pulley damper bolt 2 rounds using 19mm but the
camshaft sprocket is not rotation. I dont know its important to align
the camshaft sproket and crankshaft pulley at this time while removing
the crankshaft pulley to change the timing belt. After removing the
timing belt make sence to me. appreicate someone shed light here.

> are you putting a new water pump on it?

Yes. putting new water pump and if I had time and feel lucky planning
to change the crankshaft sprocket - oilpump seal and oil pan gasket
also.

skidflap

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Sep 2, 2003, 9:20:09 AM9/2/03
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i didnt have to remove the pully from the crank to get the new belt on, i
did just to clean it up and check for oil seal leak.
is the cam belt tensioner installed with the new water pump?
if so cam should turn.
is the pan gasket leaking?
mine had a little seepage but i call that external block
lubrication/preservation:}
Skidflap

Backyard Mechanic

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Sep 2, 2003, 12:31:11 PM9/2/03
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sams opined in news:4d010e73.03090...@posting.google.com:

>> just did that job today, is the tensioner on?
> Drive belt tensioner off. Crankshaft pulley is on.
>

WHAT?

Why dont you LOOK at it and figure out why it doesnt move?

I think either you or Haynes have got a step out of sequence.

BEFORE you put the belt on and set the tensioner, you have to align the crank
and cam COGGED pulleys to their respective marks

THEN you rotate them AFTER the belt is tight, WITH tensioner, 2 turns to
insure the timing marks still are aligned

Dont call it DRIVE belt, call it timing belt.

sams

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Sep 2, 2003, 3:17:34 PM9/2/03
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I see the steering pump hose joining with the pump got a wetness from
oilseepage or leak and a film of oil on the underside of oilpan, also
a few droplet of green af liquid on the garage floor since I stoped to
change the belt. Though I never suspect any excess of drop in either
oil or af liquid level

Sams

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Thomas Moats

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Sep 2, 2003, 5:14:14 PM9/2/03
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"sams" <sa...@freeddns.org> wrote in message
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> > just did that job today, is the tensioner on?
> Drive belt tensioner off. Crankshaft pulley is on.
>
> > should turn crank and cam at 1/2 of crank.
> I turned the crankshaft pulley damper bolt 2 rounds using 19mm but the
> camshaft sprocket is not rotation. I dont know its important to align
> the camshaft sproket and crankshaft pulley at this time while removing
> the crankshaft pulley to change the timing belt. After removing the
> timing belt make sence to me. appreicate someone shed light here.
>
It would seem you are just STARTING to replace the belt, and have not yet
removed it? The belt has missing teeth, that is why the cam is not turning. The
engine is a free-wheeling engine, so just remove the belt and time the engine,
then install the new belt.

sams

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Sep 3, 2003, 12:39:51 PM9/3/03
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> It would seem you are just STARTING to replace the belt, and have not yet
> removed it? The belt has missing teeth, that is why the cam is not turning. The
> engine is a free-wheeling engine, so just remove the belt and time the engine,
> then install the new belt.
Thank you. I went ahead and removed the crankshaft pulley and timing
belt. I found the timing belt is missing 8 tooth. I Will align the
crankshaft sproket, and camshaft sprokets with TDC before installing
the new timing belt.

Whats the easiest way to find the TDC Compression on the first spark
plug? Shoudl I rent something like the Compression gauge with the
spark plug adapter?

Appreciate any help.

Sams

jim

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Sep 3, 2003, 12:53:22 PM9/3/03
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go to auto zone and see what kind of free rental tools they have for
it.... i use the free tool rental all the time,, just put it on the
credit card and when finished bring it back and get full credit...

Thomas Moats

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Sep 3, 2003, 4:50:44 PM9/3/03
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Line up the timing marks to the proper pointers. Your manual should point that
out.

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sams

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Sep 5, 2003, 10:45:24 AM9/5/03
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> Line up the timing marks to the proper pointers. Your manual should point that
> out.

Well... sorry for Iam being so doubtful, this is the place I get lost
again and again in timing belt. So please tell me, line up the timing
marks to proper pointers and need not to worry about TDC. Sound too
good to be true. What will go worse if I get the timing wrong? Engine
wont start or will I damage any parts on the engine?


Appreciate any help.

Sam

willyh

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Sep 5, 2003, 7:54:58 PM9/5/03
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If a picture's worth a thousand words, here's an extra long reply:

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/engine.htm

Start there, work your way through the site. When you finally get the concept
that the camshaft will only turn at half the rate of the crankshaft (due to
the size of the camshaft sprocket in relation to the crankshaft sprocket),
you'll be on your way to understanding that yes, it is that simple.
>Appreciate any help.
>
>Sam

Thomas Moats

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Sep 6, 2003, 5:12:59 AM9/6/03
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What do you think the marks are there for? It's for timing the crank to cam. If
you are worried about damaging your engine, do not understand what the manual
tells you, maybe you should not be doing this?

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sams

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Sep 9, 2003, 2:18:37 PM9/9/03
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Great! I aligned those marks and everything pretty straight forward
afterwards. Since the crankshaft pully cann't be installed other way,
its all fall into the right place. And every thing worked perfectly. I
also changed the front oil seal before putting the crankshaft sproket
and changed to new plugs and coil(plug) wires. Now the car is running
very nicely than it was before. No oil or water/coolant leak in the
last 2 days.

Thanks to everyone in this newsgroup who patiently answered my
questions, without your help I may not have done this timing, driving
belt, front oil seal change correctly the first time itself.

Great newsgroup! and great people out there.


Sam


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