2.9L Ranger Coolant Leak / Exhaust Gas Analyzer
C. E. White
exhaust gas? A co-worker has 1990 2.9L Ranger that is losing coolant.
There are no obvious leaks. One possibility is a cracked head that is
leaking directly into the exhaust system. Unfortunately this is not easy
to check without some major disassembly. I thought it might be possible
to check the exhaust gases to verify that there is a leak but I can't
seem to find a tester that can do this. There are no signs of a blown
head gasket (no bubbles in the coolant, all the plugs look good). The
radiator has been replaced because initially it also had a small leak.
Any and all suggestions appreciated.
Regards,
Ed White
mark
snap on make a leak detector
hurricane ast
Nate B
"C. E. White"
> Is there an exhaust gas analyzer that can detect antifreeze in the
> exhaust gas?
Dude - look for a big freak'n white cloud of smoke coming out of the exhaust
pipe.
- Nate
J. Louis
the antifreeze into steam, You would then see a cloud of white smoke coming
out the tail pipe when driving down the road.
Note, do not confuse this with normal condensation in colder areas which
also produces a white smoke for a few minutes while the vehicle warms up and
boils out the condensation in the exhaust system.
Hope this helps
JL
"C. E. White" <cewh...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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C. E. White
mark wrote:
>snap on make a leak detector
>
I loooked at Snap On's site but could not find a leak detector for
antifreeze in the exhaust gas. Do you have a product number?
Regards,
Ed White
C. E. White
>Dude - look for a big freak'n white cloud of smoke coming out of the exhaust
>pipe.
>
It is a small leak (maybe a pint a week or less). There is no big cloud
of smoke - at least not yet.
Thanks for the suggestion.
Regards,
Ed Whtie
Nate B
"C. E. White"
> It is a small leak (maybe a pint a week or less). There is no big cloud
> of smoke - at least not yet.
The most smoke will occur soon after startup. After shutdown, the cooling
system is at a higher pressure than the cylinders, forcing coolant into the
cylinders.
You'll see the smoke. If you don't - either your coolant is too thin,
you're blind, or there's no leak into the cylinders. A little coolant
produces a lot of smoke.
Throw a tablet in there an call it good.
If you want to waste some time and money, look for high carbon readings on a
normal smog test. Of course, with all the smoke produced by burning
coolant...
- Nate
mark
one at the shop
will look and post #
mark
again more nonsense
from a non certified technician
hurricane ast
mark
wrote:
>Nate is correct. If you have antifreeze leaking into the cylinders it boils
>the antifreeze into steam, You would then see a cloud of white smoke coming
>out the tail pipe when driving down the road.
>
>
>Note, do not confuse this with normal condensation in colder areas which
>also produces a white smoke for a few minutes while the vehicle warms up and
>boils out the condensation in the exhaust system.
>
>Hope this helps
>
>JL
not if the leak is small
again morevwrong advice from an uncertified technicians
small leakage may NOT smoke
hurricane ast
bfu...@no-spam.pippinf.com
You can pull the plugs to check for a coolant leak.
bfu...@no-spam.pippinf.com
wrote:
>Nate is correct. If you have antifreeze leaking into the cylinders it boils
>the antifreeze into steam, You would then see a cloud of white smoke coming
>out the tail pipe when driving down the road.
>
>
>Note, do not confuse this with normal condensation in colder areas which
>also produces a white smoke for a few minutes while the vehicle warms up and
>boils out the condensation in the exhaust system.
>
>Hope this helps
>
>JL
If it's a small leak, it won't show up as steam from the tail pipe.
Instead, the coolant will become "dry steam" from the heat, and won't
be visible.
The plugs, though, will show deposits/discoloration from the coolant.
Nate B
<mark welschbyte-me@ nbc.com
> again more nonsense
> from a non certified technician
That's engineer to you, flunkie.
- Nate
bobby
with the exhaust gas tester. More than likely, if you have water in the
exhaust, you have exhaust in the water. Start with a cold motor and radiator
cap off and use the exhaust gas tester to "sniff" for fumes coming out of the
radiator cap. If you see exhaust gases, there is a leak.
Can't say I've ever done this. The last time I had a slow coolant leak, the
leak was high on the engine and evaporated before dripping off. Took months to
get bad enough to make a puddle about the size of a quarter on the driveway,
but then I had a place to start tracing.
bb
C. E. White
bfu...@no-spam.pippinf.com wrote:
>You can pull the plugs to check for a coolant leak.
>
The plugs were pulled and looked fine. I wonder if the problem might be
a crack in the head that allows coolant (or steam) to escape into the
exhaust passages after the exhaust valve. If this happens you would not
have any coolant in the cylinder and no deposits on the plugs. You also
probably wouldn't get any exhaust gas in the coolant.
Regards,
Ed White
spam...@spamstop.net
<bbuss...@i.hate.spam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>I had read in this group before that you can test for exhaust in the radiator
>with the exhaust gas tester. More than likely, if you have water in the
>exhaust, you have exhaust in the water. Start with a cold motor and radiator
>cap off and use the exhaust gas tester to "sniff" for fumes coming out of the
>radiator cap. If you see exhaust gases, there is a leak.
>
>Can't say I've ever done this. The last time I had a slow coolant leak, the
>leak was high on the engine and evaporated before dripping off. Took months to
>get bad enough to make a puddle about the size of a quarter on the driveway,
>but then I had a place to start tracing.
>
>bb
Or use a pressure tester.
mark
hehehehehe
well stick to model trains then
your advice is bogus
hurricane
A.S.T.
canada I.P.
mark
wrong answer
hurricane ast
mark
<bbuss...@i.hate.spam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>I had read in this group before that you can test for exhaust in the radiator
>with the exhaust gas tester. More than likely, if you have water in the
>exhaust, you have exhaust in the water. Start with a cold motor and radiator
>cap off and use the exhaust gas tester to "sniff" for fumes coming out of the
>radiator cap. If you see exhaust gases, there is a leak.
>
>Can't say I've ever done this. The last time I had a slow coolant leak, the
>leak was high on the engine and evaporated before dripping off. Took months to
>get bad enough to make a puddle about the size of a quarter on the driveway,
>but then I had a place to start tracing.
>
>bb
hehehehe
better stick to sniffing glue
hurricane ast
Wayne Makowicki
small leak to a large leak fast. It was kinda odd I noticed the coolant
leaking a bit so I added some water and went to work no problem no smoke.
went to go to lunch and it leaked so much water down into the exhaust that
it froze the exhaust system I got about 1/4 mile and lost about all power
then all of a sudden heard a pop from under the hood and went to lunch. The
exhaust pressure was so high it blew the exhaust return lines to the carb.
Car was over 200,000 miles so was of little care to me
<mark welschbyte-me@ nbc.com> wrote in message
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kc8adu
jj...@sbcgl.com
2.9 you will see antifreeze residue building up around one when they
have cracked head. And it seems more often to be on the drivers side
in the front banks. When it does happen.
Also let it sit with a radiator pressure tester on it for a long time.
Then check for leaks. Using a black light and dye in the coolant may
also help.
jj...@sbcgl.com
That depends on where the leak really is, now don't it?
bfu...@no-spam.pippinf.com
Why?
On a cool engine, a pressure tester will let a small leak which would
otherwise evaporate quickly be seen.
robert chestney
combustion leak into the cooling system either from blown head
gasket,cracked block,or cyl head, the amount of coolant loss you are
talking about and a lack of coolant in oil or vice versus,,or smoke I
would test rad cap for holding psi and test cooling system for holding
psi and post results as for a cheaper way napa and most other part
houses sell a tester you put a chemical in and you palce over rad neck
opening and if it changes color you found your problem, you can also
do a compression test or cylinder leak down test in your pursuit to
find problem, the amount you say you are losing I don't think you have
a head gasket problem good luck
mark
hehehehe
how can you see the leak in the head??
hurricane ast
mark
chestney) wrote:
try snap on model 2000
exhayst gas tyester
hurricane ast
Ted Mittelstaedt
C. E. White wrote in message <3D34357...@mindspring.com>...
>Is there an exhaust gas analyzer that can detect antifreeze in the
>exhaust gas? A co-worker has 1990 2.9L Ranger that is losing coolant.
>There are no obvious leaks.
Are there coolant deposits around the piss-hole on the water pump?
--
Ted Mittelstaedt te...@toybox.placo.com
Tom Eisenman
leak would look no different than normal combustion.
<mark welschbyte-me@ nbc.com> wrote in message
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J. Louis
to a turkey baster but much stronger in design. First make sure that your
engine is up to operating temperature, VERY VERY carefully remove your
radiator cap with the car running. This will reduce pressure but be
careful, it will be hot. If you do not want to risk injury have a dealer
or qualified tech do the job.
Anyway after the cap is removed make sure that the coolant level is about 2
inches from the top of the radiator neck. Remove the cap from the tester
and put in the fluid. It is a blue color. Put the tester over the hole
where the radiator cap goes and squeeze the bulb on top several times to
take in the gas in the radiator. If there is exhaust gas in the radiator
the fluid will change to green then yellow. If there is no leak the color
will remain blue.
But again I need to caution you about removing a rad cap with a warm engine.
It can be a painful experience so I do suggest taking it to a dealer or
qualified tech to do this test. It only takes a few minutes.
Also be aware that this test will pick up larger leaks it may not pick up
all leaks.
Hope this helps
JL
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Neil Nelson
nbc.com wrote:
>
>
>try snap on model 2000
>exhayst gas tyester
>
>hurricane ast
There is no such item in the curent Snap-On product offerings.
Quit pulling crap out of thin air Stinkliar.
DS
>
> Is there an exhaust gas analyzer that can detect antifreeze in the
> exhaust gas? A co-worker has 1990 2.9L Ranger that is losing coolant.
> There are no obvious leaks. One possibility is a cracked head that is
> leaking directly into the exhaust system. Unfortunately this is not easy
> to check without some major disassembly. I thought it might be possible
> to check the exhaust gases to verify that there is a leak but I can't
> seem to find a tester that can do this. There are no signs of a blown
> head gasket (no bubbles in the coolant, all the plugs look good). The
> radiator has been replaced because initially it also had a small leak.
>
> Any and all suggestions appreciated.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed White
Hi Ed,
Several years ago one of the cylinder heads on my
1991 Explorer XLT (4.0L OHV V-6) developed a crack.
Other than mysteriously loosing about a cup of
coolant per week, there were no other obvious
symptoms. Finally one day, I removed the oil
filler cap and noticed some moisture droplets on
the underside of the cap; coolant was getting into
the oil. It was not evident on the dipstick; no
foam, no increase in oil level, no discoloring.
DS
bfu...@no-spam.pippinf.com
The coolant has to go somewhere.
Your job, if you choose to accept it, is to find out where it goes.
After all, that's the whole point of this thread, isn't it?
mark
wrote:
hehehehe
fuck are you stupid
just like chysler does not use the karmon vortex
ah but what do you expect from an uncertified technician
hehehehe
fuck oldman your bogus advice makes you a FOOL once more!!!!!!!!!
OUTFOXED BY THE REDSEAL????
HURRICANE AST
read and weep neil
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which includes product Kit, Head Gasket Leak Test
Item Qty Price**
Kit, Head Gasket Leak Test
Stock YA2000
$56.95
Description:
Check for leaks between the combustion chamber and the cooling system.
Kit includes complete test chamber, a bottle (100 cc) of indicator
fluid, and instructions. Test head and gasket for combustion leaks
before removing the radiator. Double chamber provides a high level of
accuracy.
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bfu...@no-spam.pippinf.com
wrote:
>Yes you can try a exhaust gas tester. It is simple to use. Looks similar
>to a turkey baster but much stronger in design. First make sure that your
>engine is up to operating temperature, VERY VERY carefully remove your
>radiator cap with the car running. This will reduce pressure but be
>careful, it will be hot. If you do not want to risk injury have a dealer
>or qualified tech do the job.
>
>Anyway after the cap is removed make sure that the coolant level is about 2
>inches from the top of the radiator neck. Remove the cap from the tester
>and put in the fluid. It is a blue color. Put the tester over the hole
>where the radiator cap goes and squeeze the bulb on top several times to
>take in the gas in the radiator. If there is exhaust gas in the radiator
>the fluid will change to green then yellow. If there is no leak the color
>will remain blue.
>
>But again I need to caution you about removing a rad cap with a warm engine.
>It can be a painful experience so I do suggest taking it to a dealer or
>qualified tech to do this test. It only takes a few minutes.
>
>Also be aware that this test will pick up larger leaks it may not pick up
>all leaks.
>
>Hope this helps
>
>JL
You can remove the cap with the engine warm, and the test is tstill
valid.
Jim Warman
I'd take a small extenson mirror and check the weep hole at the bottom of
the water pump. You may discover the tell-tale stain even though you are
talking a nearly miniscule leak. Other areas to check are the rubber seals
on the radiator tanks and the hose from the rad to the reservoir (tese can
have a small leak that will allow coolant to escape and draw air back in
when the motor cools.
I don't recall the 2.9s as being hard on head gaskets though our region is
likely more temperate than yours. Coolant flashing into steam will generally
have a cleansing effect on the combustion chamber. You might try pulling the
spark plugs checking for tell tales in the electrodes.
I haven't seen any devices specifically for checking for coolant in the
exhaust but I have used a standard 4 gas analyzer to detect exhaust gas in
the cooling system.
--
Jim Warman
mech...@telusplanet.net
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it's a perfectly valid answer and is common practice
very rarely have i seen one not show a leak, those were extremely small
spam...@spamstop.net
>>>>
>>>>Or use a pressure tester.
>>>
>>>
>>>wrong answer
>>>hurricane ast
>>
>>Why?
>>On a cool engine, a pressure tester will let a small leak which would
>>otherwise evaporate quickly be seen.
>>
>
>hehehehe
>how can you see the leak in the head??
>
>hurricane ast
you don't really work on cars, do you?
you see the leak in the head by seeing the pressure on the gauge dropping
with no EXTERNAL LEAKS
bfu...@no-spam.pippinf.com
COOL! COOL!
I HATE it when that happens!!
Neil Nelson
nbc.com wrote:
>
>hehehehe
>fuck are you stupid
Snap-On would not have an equipment model number
that is strictly numbers. They would use an "MT" prefix
to designate it as a diagnostic tool.
Sun would have a letter suffix such as "E."
>just like chysler does not use the karmon vortex
Good to see you've finally figured it out.
>ah but what do you expect from an uncertified technician
Wrong again stinkliar.
>hehehehe
>fuck oldman your bogus advice makes you a FOOL once more!!!!!!!!!
Hey shit fer brains....
I didn't give any advice.
I just pointed out to our fellow readers that there is no such part
number as a "snap on model 2000 exhayst gas tyester."
But, we shall see who is the fool here.
>OUTFOXED BY THE REDSEAL????
Hardly.
>
>HURRICANE AST
>
>
>
>
>read and weep neil
In your dreams.
>
>https://buy.snapon.com/_mem_bin/formslogin.asp
>
>Catalog Index Cooling System Service Tools Leak Testers
A leak tester moron, not an "exhayst gas tyester."
You screwed the pooch again bozo.
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>Image shown may not be actual product but represents product or set
>which includes product Kit, Head Gasket Leak Test
>
> Item Qty Price**
>Kit, Head Gasket Leak Test
>
>Stock YA2000
> $56.95
Oh, now it's a model YA 2000.
The story changes.
Oh and just for the record, "YA" signifies that the product is from an
outside vendor
and is not a product of Snap-On Tools Corp.
Having worked for them, I would know that.
Being a tire buster, you wouldn't.
So, it is neither a Snap-On anything, nor is it an exhayst gas tyester.
>
>
>
>
>Description:
>
>Check for leaks between the combustion chamber and the cooling system.
>Kit includes complete test chamber, a bottle (100 cc) of indicator
>fluid, and instructions. Test head and gasket for combustion leaks
>before removing the radiator. Double chamber provides a high level of
>accuracy.
Hey Bozo...
See the part of the description above where it says
"Check for leaks between the combustion chamber and the cooling system?"
You might want to go back and re-read the original post in this thread and
pay just a little more attention to the part where the OP says he has a
leak between the water jacket and the EXHAUST PORT.
The above tool only works if there is sufficient combustion by-product
being forced into the cooling system, it will NOT work where
coolant is being pushed into an exhaust port.
A waste of 57 dollars.
Congratulations! You've made an ass of yourself yet again.
mark
wrote:
>In article <3d3591c3....@news.ezpost.com>, mark welschbyte-me@
hahahaha you funny
if coolant leaks in it will put co2 in a/f
but you knew that rite
now your a snap on rep too
boy your resume must be pages long
heheheh
Neil Nelson
nbc.com wrote:
>>Congratulations! You've made an ass of yourself yet again.
>hahahaha you funny
I'd rather be funny than ignorant.
>if coolant leaks in it will put co2 in a/f
Are you stoned again?
If coolant leaks into where? It's going to put
CO2 where?
A coolant leak into the exhaust port is not going to put any CO2
into the exhaust that isn't already there.
Red Seal my ass.
>but you knew that rite
Evidently I know a lot more than you.
Like how to read the description of the original problem.
>now your a snap on rep too
You haven't been paying attention Bozo.
I was both an equipment sales rep and a regional training
manager for Snap-On/Sun.
>boy your resume must be pages long
It is. Matter of fact, once your pushing 50, if your resume ISN'T pages
long, you're doing something wrong.
Not everyone aspires to be a dealership nosepicking drone like you.
50, imagine that.... means I have about 30 years more experience than you do.
>heheheh
Exactly what I was thinking....