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burnt-kat

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Mar 10, 2001, 4:43:17 PM3/10/01
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WTF is up with MS' latest home-user OS, Windows Millenium? While I'm no
guru, I get along with the behind-the-scenes bits of Windows better than the
average squirrel. Imagine my surprise, then, when this damned thing blew the
hell up last week, then would not allow me to pull my newsgroup and email
archives off of the old drive and insert them in OE on a new drive with 98SE
installed. This is something I've done before, with absolutely no problem.

The shit of the situation is this: after about a week of digging through
Technet to find recovery information, talking with the Senior engineers at
work, and just dumb blind luck <and not a small amount of PFM>, I find that
I am stuck in WinME for now, unless I want to lose all my archives and start
fresh with noone's email addresses, etc.

On top of it all, I hear that Windows XP is going to require active
registration- that's right- you'll have to dialup and register with a
database to install the product. While I understand and agree that it's a
more secure way to license MS' products, it doesn't bode well for future
stress levels in my chosen career.....


-pissed off, muttering under breath about goddamn MS software engineers,
Burnt-Kat

..... and to make matters WORSE.... I'm probably going to have to lose the
cable-modem when I move!

/rant

Oh yeah: I'm back. <whoopie>

Todd Zuercher

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Mar 10, 2001, 7:54:46 PM3/10/01
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There is a reason that I switched to OS/2. (I used to be a MS Windows fan back
in the 3.1 days). But I refuse to use Win 95+ unless I have to.

burnt-kat wrote:

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burnt-kat

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Mar 10, 2001, 11:24:51 PM3/10/01
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98SE was VERY stable-- I used to get months upon months of uptime on it...
only interrupted for the upgrades I am fond of doing to hardware. WinME
wouldn't run for longer than a day before going tits up! 8(


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Greg DeMent

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Mar 11, 2001, 5:00:33 AM3/11/01
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I've been using BeOS for about a week now, and I've fallen in love with
it. I'm
using windows less and less. If you'd like to try something different,
you
might look at it. The nice thing about it is, the free version can
install
inside a windows partition. It just installs into a 512MB image file on
your
windows drive, and you can run it from a windows icon. At that point,
Be kicks
windows out of memory and takes over. If you decide to get rid of it,
its as
simple as deleting the BeOS directory from windows. If you decide to
keep it,
you can transfer it to a complete partition. No, I'm not being paid to
write
this :)

burnt-kat

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Mar 11, 2001, 8:51:19 AM3/11/01
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Sounds cool-- got a link I can get it at?


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Lou Dias

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Mar 12, 2001, 8:44:38 AM3/12/01
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I'm seriously contemplating a move to the new Amiga, the Amiga One, with a
G4 in the couple of months.
I'm going to keep a Win98 or win 2k machine for my side consulting work.
The cool thing is that there is a runtime that will allow a linux box or
windows PC to run the same software as the native machine.

www.Amiga.com


Greg DeMent

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Mar 13, 2001, 12:55:12 AM3/13/01
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http://www.be.com/products/freebeos/
has a list of download sites you can pick from, depending on where you are.
you'll also want to know about
http://www.bebits.com/
which is a good place to find software for beos. If you have an nvidia card,
then you'll need to download the nvidia driver from that site. It's not
included in the beos installation. I also had to download a sound blaster 16
driver. There doesn't seem to be much hardware support in the original OS
install, but they have drivers for most common hardware on the bebits site. You
don't have to worry about the video driver until after you install the OS - it
will just default to an ugly black and white mode.
I've found the newsgroup alt.os.beos to be pretty helpful, lots of new users
post questions there and get answers.

Greg DeMent

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Mar 13, 2001, 12:58:13 AM3/13/01
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I didn't know commodore was still in business! interesting. Did somebody buy
the amiga name, or is that still the same company?

Lou Dias

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Mar 13, 2001, 8:27:59 AM3/13/01
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Christ, where have you been.
Since Commodore, Amiga has been bought and sold several times. Gateway
owned it for a year or 2 and finally sold it to it's current owners who are
a bunch of contractors that Gateway hired to see what they could do with the
Amiga technology. Then Gateway decided a full desktop OD is not where they
wanted to be, they got into the internet appliance game kept a few GUI
patents and sold off the assets, patents and name to Amino Corp who renamed
themselves Amiga Inc.

As you can see, their (Gateway's) internet appliance stragedy flopped. And
alternate OS's to windows are all the rage now. Don't they feel like
horse's asses.

Anyway, these new owners are true Amigans, have released classic OS upgrades
and are about to release the next generation AmigaDE (Digital Environment).
It's only compatible with the original OS in spirit, not function. Also
check out www.amiga.org for lots of news and product developments.

Lou

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Mr Potatohead

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Mar 13, 2001, 12:08:53 PM3/13/01
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Lou, Lou... LOU!!! It's over! Forget it! And don't disparage Christ for
not going out into the back yard every day to see if the horse is still
dead. You guys make me laff! You'll do anything, go to any length to
avoid settling into a comfortable PC or Mac environment. Even Les
diddles with OS2. I finally hadda sell my Amiga to a cable station guy
who had some use for it in his scheme of things. We were programming a
publishing program for it but each week the code we sent to Commodore
showed up on a bulletin board in Canada. Admittedly I'd be selling
plumbing supplies before I'd work in Windows, but hey... that's me.

BeOS? Who said BeOS? Wasn't that Jasques the French Guy who abandoned a
cushy job at Apple to create a new OS? Yeah! It's coming back to me
now... it's been over 10 years now... how's that project going? Does he
still have his garage full of Mercedes and the "shed" at Pacific
Palisades? I see one of his original investors seining for minnows down
by the seashore here. I been meaning to ask how BeOS is doing. I picked
up a BeOS floppies at a MacWorld awhile back but the disk must have been
ad. Ummmm!

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Larry Beaulieu

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Mar 13, 2001, 12:45:31 PM3/13/01
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In article <3AAE53D9...@home.com>,
Mr Potatohead <boz...@home.com> wrote:


I'll stick with my Unix machine that runs for months on end
without hanging or crashing (right now its been up for 116 days in
a row), lets me build tons of free and useful software I can snag
off the Internet (making a living as a software developer in a
previous life helps), doesn't get infected with PC viruses, can be
made reasonably secure, and lets me remotely log in and do real work.

Best of all it all works great for me and does everything I need
for it to do. Whatever works great for you is fine with me too. :)

Lou Dias

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Mar 13, 2001, 12:54:01 PM3/13/01
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I'm telling you...it's back with a vengence.
Next week there will be a big announcement at the Annual World of Amiga Show
in St. Louis. They will announce which PDA is running the AmigaDE and show
off the new G4 powered PC that allows you to plug in an A1200 or A4000
motherboard for backwards compatibility.

see http://www.eyetech.co.uk/amigaone/


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Ed Dana

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Mar 13, 2001, 8:16:54 PM3/13/01
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Lou Dias wrote:

Oh my gawd! Another Amiga Freak out here. :)

I wouldn't count on the new Amiga being anything like the old, Lou. It may be
better, it may not. :) But it certainly bears little resemblance to the old.

And just to keep it on topic, I started lurking here about a month back,
looking for info on my Fiero. What to fix, what to expect, what to watch out
for as it ages. And it amuses me how similar Fiero Fans and Amiga Fans are.

Both enjoy hardware that was not a huge success. Both believe that good
engineering went into their favorite piece of hardware. Both have "spottings".
Both seem to have a good sense of humor, although I have to admit the Fiero
dudes tell better jokes. :) Both seem to hope that their favorite piece of
hardware might get resurrected.

What can I say: when ya love somethin', it's hard to let it go...

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Ed Dana | Quite clear, no doubt, somehow...
Software Developer | Ah, but I was so much older then,
Amiga Enthusiast. | I'm younger than that now!
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Sean Fogg

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Mar 14, 2001, 1:00:40 AM3/14/01
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I'll stick with windows, so that I can RUN software, not just my OS. As much
as watching a blinking cursor can be fun, it can't shake a stick at Unreal
Tournament. Yes. I just said that Unix/Linux sucks. I admire the stability,
but the flexibility is shit. Sure, you can do anything, but if it takes 3-4
years of development, you'd be better off with an abacus. but until there's
a VIABLE alternative, Windows is here to stay in the home market.
Sean
P.S. Before the flaming starts, notice I said home market. The 'net wouldn't
tick without UNIX/Linux, and for scalability, and hardcore processing,
nothing will beat *nix. But, as an avid gamer, I'm stuck with Windblows.

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Larry Beaulieu

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Mar 14, 2001, 6:01:44 AM3/14/01
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In article <98n0tu$564$1...@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca>,
Sean Fogg <umfo...@mail.cc.umanitoba.ca> wrote:

>I'll stick with windows, so that I can RUN software, not just my OS. As much
>as watching a blinking cursor can be fun, it can't shake a stick at Unreal

That's only if you don't bother to run a GUI. KDE. Gnome. fvwm.



>Tournament. Yes. I just said that Unix/Linux sucks. I admire the stability,

Bad example. Go to:

http://ftp.gameaholic.com/idgames.d/unrealtournament/official/

and see the Unreal Tournament client binaries for Linux.
Scroll down a bit and you'll notice the Macintosh version as well :)

You did get the stability part right. I don't have to deal
with frequent rebooting or living with BSOD's.

>but the flexibility is shit. Sure, you can do anything, but if it takes 3-4

You can't have 'flexibility is shit' AND 'you can do anything'.
They're mutually exclusive.

Besides, Unix offers a flexibility way beyond Windows. It's one
of the reasons its so much more difficult to master, it hands you
a toolkit so you can bolt together the solution that works
for you. It doesn't have the Bill Gates/Microsoft/Windows mentality
of you'll-take-what-we-give-you-and-like-it.

I can even choose to run wabi, wine, or vmware and run windows
if I want. (It even works with Citrix servers.) Not to mention
the remote administration capabilities.

Last and not least, JunOS (Junipers) is based on BSD Unix.
Speaks pretty well for Unix' potential for reliability. :)

And that's why unix takes more effort to master - having the
choice comes at a price.

>years of development, you'd be better off with an abacus. but until there's
>a VIABLE alternative, Windows is here to stay in the home market.

There are a number of viable alternatives. We've named 3 of them.
The fact is most people, for any of a number of reasons, some
good, some not so good, are unwilling or unable to invest the
time and effort to use them.


>P.S. Before the flaming starts, notice I said home market. The 'net wouldn't

If you don't want flames, don't post flame bait.

>tick without UNIX/Linux, and for scalability, and hardcore processing,
>nothing will beat *nix. But, as an avid gamer, I'm stuck with Windblows.

You *choose* to use it, and as I already alluded to in my last
message, that's fine with me. You're not *stuck* with it.

Dale

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Mar 14, 2001, 8:10:27 AM3/14/01
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Lou Dias

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Mar 14, 2001, 10:47:36 AM3/14/01
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I know it's not going to be like the old, but the spirit is there, that's
enough for me. All though nay-sayers say it's not an amiga if it can't
genlock out of the box...you still needed to buy the genlocker to do it, it
just doesn't by default support NTSC, but who cares anymore, that's the
graphics card's issue now.

And I agree with your analogy of Fiero owners and Amiga owners.

To Larry:
And it will be a gamer's platform as well. There is a standard 3d API
based on openGL but more optimized and modernized. www.hyperbion.com

Lou

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Sean Fogg

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Mar 14, 2001, 5:26:34 PM3/14/01
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It's called Trolling ;)

Sean "Doesn't know unix so nobody is allowed to use it" Fogg


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