How is Towing Dodge 4x4 2500 5.9Lit Gas
Routerguy99
towing with the 5.9 Gas. I am going to be trading in my 1500 GMC (Cough,,
Sniff) for a Dodge, and I was wondering How good it the towing going to be,
I really dont want a Diesel or Cummings, For I only drive my truck in the
summer time and I really dont drive it that much in the winter either, I
only put about 9000 miles a year on the truck, and I was wondering what you
all thought of this truck.
thanks
Chris
Dale Matthews
buy the Dodge. I have posted some other things about the Dodge Rams here
recently, the biggest complaint by me is the spark knock when I tow or have
my plow on. Also it is hard to keep this truck going straight. Here is a
good place to compare www.edmunds.com or you can read some of my other posts
here. I copied other complaints from other owners and posted them here. I
wouldn't listen too much to allot of the guys in this newsgroup, it almost
seems they are Chrysler employees or something, very disgruntled by me
posting the "truth about Dodge" on the news group. I think you would be
allot happier staying with GM, I still love the way my truck looks, after
all I didn't buy it because it was ugly, I don't like the quality or the
engineering of the truck. But check for yourself then decide. Hope this
helps.
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Claudie Grayson
give us some details on what kind of towing you are talking about. big
difference between a 17ft bass boat and a 32ft fifth wheel...
Claudie Grayson
Van Alstyne, TX
'84 V65 Sabre "Vanburi"
CBHVAC
Dodge, and that set in motion a series of events that lead to this posting
from the rambler.
He is not satisfied that his 3/4 ton Dodge requires that the oil be in the
crankcase when running...he thinks it should be all over the 10,000
gooseneck as he is moving..
He is not satisfied that after he took it in to the dealer with his..(cough)
10 foot plow on it, they refused to align the vehicle, and rotate his
tires...
He is not satisfied that when he took it to the dealer and wanted a 10
dollar oil change, they laughed him out of the service department, and he is
so unhappy that the GMC that he had, that he drove and used in a manner as
to cause harm to all he may meet on the road, actually died a slow and
painful death, and was not like a rock as they claim...
But, I guess the one thing that he is REALLY pissed about, is that he feels
that he is the ONLY one to have ANY problems with his new toy..some words
come to mind...abuse....abuse...abuse...oh...and lie. See...his wife is a
plumber...and he told her it could pull 30,000lbs of black pipe...he was
pissed that she was not pulling 45,000lbs with it, so after he loaded it up
and pulled all that weight, it broke as it was driving past the dealer, and
they came out to look at it, and the factory rep was called, who promptly
killed the remaining warranty on it.
Now, its broke, out of warranty, and he is upside down in the lease deal and
cant get out unless he either sells it, or puts his wife back on the
streets....and..shes bigger than he is, wears the pants in the family, and
told him to get to work, but since there is no snow to plow with that 10
foot blade, he is sitting there...in NY, watching the skies, hoping for a
sudden drop in temp, for the skies to turn grey, and white fluffy stuff to
fall so he can again go to work as Mr Plow, the beer guzzling bald fella
that can move mountains of snow!!! the one that all the school kids look up
to....I mean..come on..he gets to WORK in the snow...what a life....
Today, the forecast is gloom for NY, and all its hard working snow plows. Mr
Plow will again sit the day out, in his little shanty, drinking borrowed
beer, and waiting....and waiting...his day will come..OH it will....today is
just not the day. Pray for Mr Plow, for today is warm, and Mr Repo may come
by morn.
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DooDah
> towing with the 5.9 Gas.
Tell you what - I had a 150 5.9/auto with the heavy duty options that towed
as much as I'd ever want to for a lot of years. The 5.9's a good medium
duty truck engine, and won't really grunt at anything up to the vehicle's
maximum towing weight except occasionally when climbing serious hills (raton
pass, or some such).
Ignore anything you hear from our resident malcontents, Dale Matthews and
beekeep - they'd both bitch if they were being hung with a new rope.
Taylor Miller
Give us a little more information. What are you going to be towing with it?
What kind of weight are you going to be pulling?
I'm curious, what does the driving in the summer have to do with not wanting
a diesel?
Taylor
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Jacob Suter
No matter what I'm driving (dodge, ford, or caddilac), I'm running low
octane gas and pinging like a mutha the whole way up...
Coming back down is always equally interesting - always around the upper
2/3rds of the RPM range, and still gaining speed... Damned gassers and
their lousy compression braking... >:)
JS
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car...maintaining 35mph till the steering goes funky on the downsideand the
tranny starts slipping...turns out the tranny was burping out tranny fluid
all over the engine and belts from the dipstick tube...U-haul comes out,
adds fluid, and 100 miles later, sitting on the side of the road, 20F
out...with a German Shepard that is paranoid...no phones for 20 miles...
cell wont work...had to unload the car, and drive till I found a
phone...went back to the car to go back to the truck, and it wont crank...
Argh...such wonderful times...
That pass is a bitch on a good day..:)
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"Jacob Suter" <jsu...@intrastar.net> wrote in message
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Stephen Harding
> here. I copied other complaints from other owners and posted them here. I
> wouldn't listen too much to allot of the guys in this newsgroup, it almost
> seems they are Chrysler employees or something, very disgruntled by me
> posting the "truth about Dodge" on the news group. I think you would be
The great "Proclaimer of Truth" and we here on a.a.d.t are fortunate enough
to have you!
There are plenty of people on this NG who don't agree with you. Are we all
just ignorant idiots who don't know "the truth" about Dodge? Are we all secret
employees of Chrysler attempting to lure away the unwary or unknowing to an
inferior experience of owning a Dodge? ($50 a head for every shmuck we send
off to a Dodge truck dealer???)
I've had great luck with Dodge over the years. Is it all an illusion? I'm
having a great experience with my Dodge truck, the first Dodge truck I have
ever owned. Am I a liar for speaking well of it, or just too dumb to know
what a "really good truck" actually is?
> allot happier staying with GM, I still love the way my truck looks, after
> all I didn't buy it because it was ugly, I don't like the quality or the
> engineering of the truck. But check for yourself then decide. Hope this
> helps.
I certainly hope you are "proclaiming the truth" about the superiority of
GMC on the gmc trucks NG. Of course perhaps they are souls that don't
need saving, so your efforts aren't needed.
I suppose it's nice to feel needed.
SMH
Routerguy99
are. Its really hilly, 3-6% grades and the Trailers is about 5300 Pounds
with toung weight of 600 pounds. Its a Travel Trailer, But my wife Here I go
again, My Wife wants a Truck that can tow a Fifth wheel, 26 FT I don't know
about the weight yet she wants me to Trade in the current travel trailer and
get something bigger. like the Fifth wheel , I told her I need a bigger
truck. The 1500 would not handle it, She told me to look at the Dodge. 2500
or 3500 Line, She insist No Diesel ...
I have done some reading about Towing and Trucks, Chevy (GMC) has a really
good engine the 6.0 (6000 Vortec) with 300 HP , But the Dodge on the other
has a new 2002 6.3 V8 Liter gas coming out, So I would like to know how the
5.9 liter Tows, Then I should or will get the Dodge 6.3. I here lot of
Rumors about Dodge and Transmissions but I feel if you take care of your
truck, there all about Eq. Except for Ford, My wife really will not have me
drive a Ford though.
So I come here to here about Dodge because I see so many of the Them on the
Road. If I here about problems it is like a grain of Salt. I see 100 Dodges
compared to 10 Fords or GM trucks so if there a lots of problems then the
reason is clear, there more of them on the road the other competitor's.
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Stephen Harding
> So I come here to here about Dodge because I see so many of the Them on the
> Road. If I here about problems it is like a grain of Salt. I see 100 Dodges
> compared to 10 Fords or GM trucks so if there a lots of problems then the
> reason is clear, there more of them on the road the other competitor's.
Sorry I can't help with info about towing capabilities of the Dodge. I have
the 5.2 L 1500 and only tow about 3,000 pounds.
However I am curious if you have ever heard any of the many Dodges you see
in your area, pinging has they go by? This is alleged to be a common
problem with the Dodge V-8's.
I personally have never heard this allegedly common condition in a Dodge
truck, but perhaps it isn't hot enough, or the vehicles aren't towing or
hauling enough, or the incline isn't steep enough, or whatever.
BTW, if you are banned from having a diesel, is a V-10 out of line as well?
They are said to have quite good hauling capability and would certainly be
a serviceable vehicle if you upgraded your trailer (and have enough gas money!).
Certainly for only 5,900 pounds of trailer, the 5.9 is easily capable of
towing it, with room to spare (somewhere up in the high-8000 pound range IIRC).
SMH
Tom Lawrence
> good engine the 6.0 (6000 Vortec) with 300 HP , But the Dodge on the other
> has a new 2002 6.3 V8 Liter gas coming out, So I would like to know how
the
> 5.9 liter Tows,
The 5.9 will tow that for you, but gas mileage won't be that great. The
current V10 will get you 310HP, 450 ft.lbs. of torque, and will handle that
load without problems. It will also get close to the same mileage as the
5.9 would in that situation.
If you want the truck anytime soon, then based on your requirements, that
would be my recommendation (2500 with a V10, auto or manual - your
preference. You won't have to worry about the automatic behind the V10 as
you would behind a Cummins - just keep up with the fluid/filter changes and
don't tow in OD if it won't stay locked up). If you're willing to wait
about a year, then the new 2003 HD Rams will be orderable.
Dale Matthews
engines and transmissions. I think if you asked yourself why are you doing
this. I take my Dodge in the shop for a total inspection and oil, lube,
filter. These guys are close personal friends of mine that I trust and see
many others do as well in this shop. They do a 10 minute oil change and if
you watch them it is almost like watching a pit stop in NASCAR. It isn't
one of those chains we all see that overcharge for a simple "drain the oil
and change the filter", when you get done, the washer fluid is full, the
anti-freeze, the differentials checked, tranny, chassis lubed, tire pressure
checked, power steering fluid, and inspection for any fluid leaks. They
have told me that in the Dakota with the new V6, a guy came in for his first
oil change and when they popped the hood, it had oil leaking all over the
entire engine. As for the transmission in Dodge, even with religious
routine maintenance you have a good possibility that it will end up just
like so many others. I have read in allot of other posts all over the
internet, that there truck doesn't even pull anything, they baby it and the
transmission is giving them nothing but problems. Read some more posts from
various sources then you may end up saving yourself allot of headaches down
the road. You and your family's well being and safety could be at risk if
you break down on the road somewhere.
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Diesel Power
trailers and 9 1/2' plows on 1/2 ton trucks, ANYBODY in his immediate
vicinity is at risk.
Bryan
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1981 Datsun King Cab Pickup 2.2 L diesel
1983 Volkswagen Rabbit 1.6 L turbodiesel (project)
1988.5 Suzuki Samurai Hardtop
1999 Dodge Ram 2500 Cummins 24 Valve Turbodiesel
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"Dale Matthews" <pri...@northnet.org> wrote in message
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> I am glad to see you are checking around with this whole controversy with
> engines and transmissions.
Yup...smarter than you for hooking a 1/2 ton to a 10,000 gooseneck....
it shows in his questions...
> I think if you asked yourself why are you doing
> this. I
How about a sentence that is understandable and in English?
take my Dodge in the shop for a total inspection and oil, lube,
> filter. These guys are close personal friends of mine that I trust
Translation: I bunked with a couple in the local pokey.
>and see
> many others do as well in this shop. They do a 10 minute oil change and
if
> you watch them it is almost like watching a pit stop in NASCAR.
Yup...and the COMBINED years in high school of all those guys running around
under that truck forgetting to tighten things and using air impact wrenches
when they do, comes to about 1/2 of one of the guys in NASCAR...
> It isn't
> one of those chains we all see that overcharge for a simple "drain the oil
> and change the filter", when you get done, the washer fluid is full, the
> anti-freeze, the differentials checked, tranny, chassis lubed, tire
pressure
> checked, power steering fluid, and inspection for any fluid leaks.
Sounds like: Grease Monkey, Jiffy Lube..oh..wait...and dealers??
> They
> have told me that in the Dakota with the new V6, a guy came in for his
first
> oil change and when they popped the hood, it had oil leaking all over the
> entire engine.
We cant help it if the fool that was putting the oil in missed the
hole...that happens when the Jiffy Lube guy has the IQ of a gnat..
> As for the transmission in Dodge, even with religious
> routine maintenance you have a good possibility that it will end up just
> like so many others.
Like that DIE HARD GM 700R4...WHAT A TRANNY...nothing like a slip and slide
to get you there in style...they will never hear you coming..unless you are
like some and like to scream GODDAMMIT everytime it slips from 2nd to third,
and if it can find overdrive you yell..YEEEEAAAHHHHHHH!!!
> I have read in allot of other posts all over the
> internet, that there truck doesn't even pull anything, they baby it and
the
> transmission is giving them nothing but problems.
Dale....since you are so close...wanna see a V6 Dak that is doing its job,
and doing it well? I can drive it up there, and we can see if you can fill
it with enough shit to load the springs....whatsay?
> Read some more posts from
> various sources then you may end up saving yourself allot of headaches
down
> the road.
Yup....he might buy a dodge, and love it.
> You and your family's well being and safety could be at risk if
> you break down on the road somewhere.
Yea...like in that Ford that I was driving across Raton Pass, heading to
Albuquerque....when that tranny went...BOY it went...75 miles from
nowhere..real fun at 3am....
Dale...I have this idea that is gonna make us millions...see...I have this
idea for a bullshit powered motor...I figure if we can clone you, we could
sell millions....free earplugs will be included with every purchase of
course...
Bitbucket
Sounds like a good application for a V10. It's a horse.
It also won't ping. I have one. Bullit-proof, like the slant-6.
I have the 5-speed and wouldn't do the auto, but I understand others don't
have that option, or don't want a stick. The auto behind the diesel and V10
has more guts.
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Jacob Suter
What auto trans is used with the V10 that is so radically different that it
can hold back 310hp 450 ft/lbs torque without a problem when the slightly
lower output "standard" cummins 24V mated with the cummins doesn't quite
reach? Is it the cat the cummins creates a LOT more power at lower RPMs or
what?
JS
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it
> can hold back 310hp 450 ft/lbs torque without a problem when the slightly
> lower output "standard" cummins 24V mated with the cummins doesn't quite
> reach? Is it the cat the cummins creates a LOT more power at lower RPMs
or
> what?
Exactly - the Cummins makes its peak torque around 1600RPM. The V10 doesn't
hit it's peak torque until 2800RPM. Line pressures are a lot higher at
2800RPM than they are at 1600RPM. At those low RPMs, a stock transmission
doesn't have enough line pressure to hold the clutches tight enough when max
torque is applied, so you get some slipping. Most of the damage gets done
during the shift process (where the clutches are slipping anyway) - which is
why in late-model trucks (MY2000, I think?), the PCM will cut back on the
fuel flow while the shift occurs, thereby reducing the engine's output for
that 1/2 second or so. On paper, it sounds like a good idea - don't know if
it's actually helping or not, though.
RedNeck TookOver Hell
>2800RPM than they are at 1600RPM. At those low RPMs, a stock transmission
>doesn't have enough line pressure to hold the clutches tight enough
I would think one of the best "investments" a Cummins/auto owner could do is to
get one of the "boxes" that plugs in and raises the line pressure whether they
leave the engine stock or modify it.
God, Guns, Mopars, Sex & Rock & Roll!!!
Big Al
gears. It's not a power house but it gets the job done. My last truck was a
4X4 Chevy C30 with a 454. Pulled harder, stopped a lot better, and used
about 50% more fuel than the Dodge. Just towed to Las Vegas and back with
the Dodge, it's a great truck. I really like the five speed manual. I can
take off from a dead stop in first without touching the gas pedal at all.
Even up hill with the trailer. Sure saves the clutch and I don't have to
"three pedal it" to take off on a hill. I worry about towing in overdrive
because of all the stories about the nut falling off that holds fifth gear,
but I do it and have had no problems.
Al
Diesel Power
installed behind the Cummins. That low end torque "problem" again. :)
Bryan
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Dale Matthews
mileage. If you have a house to pull off the foundation then maybe the 8.0
liter is what ya need. The Allison auto tranny doesn't have any nuts that
fall off or even the bolts wont get demoted to fourth gear. Ya I know, I
know, it's really hard to believe but it's true.
CBHVAC
and the multiplier called the rear axle ratio....go look it up and learn
something..
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Tom Lawrence
8.0
> liter is what ya need.
Glad to see you're recommending Dodge products again, Dale. This is an
excellent step (along with your apologies in previous posts) to
re-establishing yourself. Keep up the great work!
> The Allison auto tranny doesn't have any nuts that fall off
True - the NV4500 had a problem when mated to an engine as strong as the
Cummins (ain't no wussy Powerchoke, GM6.5, or even the fabled Duramax that
can shake that loose). BTW - you do know who buids the NV4500, right? :)
Mark Simpkins
Actually, I am not sure. I am not questioning if it is still Chrysler..I
just don't know.
Is it still Chrysler?? Their used to be a NPG plant down the road ,
90miles, in Syracuse. I haven't been by there in 15 years to see if the
Chrysalis is still on the building.
Did Chrysler just change the name? or, did they sell out and NPG became
NVG. Chrysler sometime sells some of it's best assets...usually just before
a Chairman leaves or the stock holders start wetting their pants.
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Dale Matthews
I can pull anything with it, just ask and I'll send ya a pic, if you have
the time to wait for the download.
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Dale Matthews
at a very nice price, and now anyone who owns a Dodge Ram can go get $1000
off a GM. Just the Dodge owners though. Ingenious!!
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anyone that is in the IRC chat at night...
Now that you have run out of lies about your Dodge, you want to try telling
us that you are on something other than your dialup?
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Tom Lawrence
So, then you're saying GM built a shitty transmission, huh?
CBHVAC
tranny....Chrysler said no...and the 700R4 was born..
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knowing how to program the software to run the PCM for the tranny.
Bryan
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