More Duramax jokes
Me @attglobal.netredonn2 Bob Donnelly
Will the new Duramax be offered in the FL50 and FL60 Freightliners or any
other medium duty trucks?
Will it be limited to just the GM/Chevy trucks?
With the power it has you would think the 5.9 Cummins would be a waste of
time compared to the
Duramax.
FL, I do not want to argue but you need to watch the video of the Duramax
pull off.
The Duramax jerked the Cummins so hard backwards that it caused the motor to
die.
The Powerstroke was able to put up a fight because of its torque. Otherwise
the Duramax barely got off
idle.
You got to stop over and get a good laugh.
Roadkill Jam
*Who* conducted the tests and *who* was driving the trucks? I mean after
all, I could go hook my Ram up to my boss's Peterbilt and, depending on
who's driving each one and *how* they decide (or are told) to drive it, the
Ram could just as easily end up killing the engine in the Peterbilt and pull
it backwards. So the real question is this: When will someone with a Dodge
website and someone with a Ford site post their own video versions of the
same tug of war with different, yet predictable, outcomes?
Secondly, since they didn't even try to match up the basic body/wheelbase
lengths of the trucks [reg cab GMC against Quad cab Dodge and crew cab Ford]
which could be a factor in such a test due to weight bias, you have to
wonder what other factors did they not bother to match up? Rear end ratios,
auto or manual tranny, gear used for pulling, 4WD or 2WD [it's obvious that
the Ford wasn't in 4WD since only the rear tires were spinning, but what
about the GMC?].
> You got to stop over and get a good laugh.
I did. I thought it was hilarious that this video was supposed to prove
anything.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not knocking the GM truck or the engine. I've always
been a big Chevy fan. I had a '64 step-side pickup, '72 Nova, and a '69
Chevelle. My favorite gas engine has always been the small block Chevy V8
with the big block Chevy being a close second. But, I heard way too many
negative remarks about GM's 6.5 diesel to ever consider it when I decided to
buy a diesel powered truck, though I've also known a few people with them
who swear by them.
I just started hearing about the Duramax, so I don't know much about it, but
it does look pretty impressive and as though a lot of engineering went into
it. However, I won't be rushing right out to buy one. I especially won't be
rushing right out to buy one based on this video.
I think I'll stick with my 12v Cummins with 143,000 trouble-free miles on
it.
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mrdancer
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<snip>
> > You got to stop over and get a good laugh.
>
> I did. I thought it was hilarious that this video was supposed to prove
> anything.
It's funny, and yet, it's scary. There are a lot of people out there who
would actually believe this video (or make up their minds that they want to
believe it). There are WAY too many variables to have a "pull-off" like
that, it makes absolutely no logical sense.
OTOH, the people that are dumb enough to believe stuff like that deserve to
drive Chevies ;-)
Evan MacDonald
some people are. Guess that explains the abundance of Chevs.......
Evan MacDoanld
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if the dodge and ford were stick shifts and the chevy was an automatic, and
in 4 low i can believe it. otherwise its bullshit. there is _no_ way that
two comparable trucks would be beaten so badly by a third comparable truck.
period. they would sit there moaning, maybe spinning tires, but it would
take a truck totally out of the classification of the other trucks (like a
peterbuilt) to have such a victory.
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Lou Dunlap
not using the long wheel base Chevy?
LD
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Steven
different trucks? one of the ones that the load keeps moving closer to the
truck as the sled is moved? something like that would have had some meaning
to it. the way they did it, it means absolutely nothing. i agree with the
guy who said it is ashamed some are stupid as to believe it.
steven
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Roadkill Jam
another truck or a sled, I think that any type of contest like that has too
much to do with traction, rather than power. And I believe that the whole
premise of that video was to show everybody just how "bad" their new engine
is, not how much more traction the truck has. That being the case, with the
trucks weighing in the same and spec'ed out as equally as possible (gear
ratios, auto/manual trans, 2WD/4WD, and so on), they need to hook up to a
real world load (large cabin cruiser, 5th-wheel travel trailer, goose neck
flat-bed with a heavy load, etc.), put them side-by-side at the bottom of a
good 6-8% grade, and see who makes it to the top first without melting their
pistons.
And, as I said in my previous post, I know very little about this engine,
but if it's a brand new design like I assume it is, then all the torque/HP
in the world won't mean squat if it ain't built well enough to last as long
as the other "proven" engines and still get decent mileage (remember, this
is a "real world" test). In other words, same contest, same trucks, same
loads, same conditions, a few years and 100-200k miles later. If it beats
them at that time as well, then they've got their bragging rights.
I'll be driving my Cummins until then.
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mrdancer
Roadkill Jam <roadkil...@SPAMmindspring.com> wrote in message
Yep, and they may get lucky and beat it and have bragging rights. So what?
The Cummins will do 99% of what you need it to do, the DuraMax might do
99.4% of what you need it to do. That's not enough to make me spend the $$$
to switch, or to stomach the fact that I'd be buying from a company that
nearly killed the diesel among the U.S. driving public (and pretty much has
for car drivers). I think Dodge/Cummins deserves most of the credit for
making diesels popular again.
^^Blade
I'll make you a Deal. You get some trucks, all equally spec'd and I'll bring
the loaded trailer. 32 Foot Flat Bed, Loaded with Compacted 3x3x8 bales of high
moisture Hay. That'd be a really good test of any truck. Just for those who
are curious, I would load the trailer bales wide and 2 bales high with the 3rd
tier only having 2bales per row. Each of those 3x3x8 bales weigh about
800-1000lbs.
I remember a certain person a few months back, that claimed his New Toyota
Tundra, the "full size" one, claimed he could pull that trailer with no
problem. I told him to drive to my house, and I'd load up trailer up after he
got the trailer hooked up.(reason being, the jacks under that trailer are a
bitch to raise and lower with that much weight on). I was curious on how many
bales I could put on before his suspension bottomed out, and the frame started
to bend.
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Me @attglobal.netredonn2 Bob Donnelly
> You got to stop over and get a good laugh.
I did. I thought it was hilarious that this video was supposed to prove
anything.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not knocking the GM truck or the engine. I've always
been a big Chevy fan. I had a '64 step-side pickup, '72 Nova, and a '69
Chevelle. My favorite gas engine has always been the small block Chevy V8
with the big block Chevy being a close second.
Homer is fun, he keeps on saying, "Whoop my ass again".
Dale Yonz
stacking and handling square bales then round ones
dale
Roadkill Jam
"^^Blade" <bl...@rea--alp.com> wrote in message
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> I remember a certain person a few months back, that claimed his New Toyota
> Tundra, the "full size" one, claimed he could pull that trailer with no
> problem. I told him to drive to my house, and I'd load up trailer up
after he
> got the trailer hooked up.(reason being, the jacks under that trailer are
a
> bitch to raise and lower with that much weight on). I was curious on how
many
> bales I could put on before his suspension bottomed out, and the frame
started
> to bend.
>
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>
> ^^Blade
>
>
I would've paid to see that. 8>)
Roadkill Jam
"mrdancer" <mrdanceratcamalottdotcom> wrote in message
>
> Yep, and they may get lucky and beat it and have bragging rights. So
what?
> The Cummins will do 99% of what you need it to do, the DuraMax might do
> 99.4% of what you need it to do. That's not enough to make me spend the
$$$
> to switch, or to stomach the fact that I'd be buying from a company that
> nearly killed the diesel among the U.S. driving public (and pretty much
has
> for car drivers). I think Dodge/Cummins deserves most of the credit for
> making diesels popular again.
>
>
Didn't mean to imply that I'd spend my money on one, either, even if they
could beat the Dodge. I've been a truck driver for the past eleven years and
the company that I drove for during most of that time had mostly Cummins
power in their trucks, so I was sold on the Dodge as soon as I heard that
they had Cummins. I've never owned any of the other diesel pickups, so I
have no first-hand experience with them. I've heard good and bad about both
the GM and PS diesels, but I just simply trust the inline-6 design more than
a V8 for that type of engine. Maybe it was eleven years of going in and out
of truck stops and seeing countless numbers of big trucks with their hoods
open and only seeing two or three V8s in all that time that made me feel
that way. Maybe it was seeing a couple of our company trucks (driven by many
different rookie drivers over the years who probably ragged the hell out of
them) get over 800k on the odometer with just an in-frame overhaul before
they finally traded them in because of their age. Or maybe it's just the
simple fact that 6 cylinders w/7 main bearings sounds more durable to me
than 8 cylinders w/5 main bearings. I've heard a lot of people say that the
PS is a faster engine than the Cummins. If it is, I'm proud for them. But if
I wanted fast, I would have bought a Camaro or Corvette instead of a truck.
Durability, longevity, and good mileage in a vehicle that will tote a
serious load down the highway is what's important to me and so far, just as
you said, the Cummins is getting the job done.
RedNeck from Hell
>Hey Blade, those are some big bales, what make of baler do you have? Lot
>easier
>stacking and handling square bales then round ones
>dale
Doncha know, dem is one of dose Mini soda balers, ya, you betcha, by golly
OFDAH!!!!
Just about time for the meatball and lefse season to begin, ya???
Don't be "Gored" by Al's Bull
Old age and treachery will overcome youth and enthusiasm
Happiness is driving an ass kicking big block Mopar
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> Hell, If I wanted to I could stall my Sig. 600 doing that, amazing how
stupid
> some people are. Guess that explains the abundance of Chevs.......
> Evan MacDoanld
>
> mrdancer wrote:
>
> > Roadkill Jam <roadkil...@SPAMmindspring.com> wrote in message
> > news:8qtcnv$hfu$1...@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net...
> > <snip>
> > > > You got to stop over and get a good laugh.
> > >
> > > I did. I thought it was hilarious that this video was supposed to
prove
> > > anything.
> > <snip>
> >
> > It's funny, and yet, it's scary. There are a lot of people out there
who
> > would actually believe this video (or make up their minds that they want
to
> > believe it). There are WAY too many variables to have a "pull-off" like
> > that, it makes absolutely no logical sense.
> >
> > OTOH, the people that are dumb enough to believe stuff like that deserve
to
> > drive Chevies ;-)
>
Greg Surratt
<roadkil...@SPAMmindspring.com> wrote:
>Didn't mean to imply that I'd spend my money on one, either, even if they
>could beat the Dodge. I've been a truck driver for the past eleven years and
>the company that I drove for during most of that time had mostly Cummins
>power in their trucks, so I was sold on the Dodge as soon as I heard that
>they had Cummins.
Your reasoning sounds like mine.
I tell people I bought a Cummins engine - it just happens to be
wrapped in a Dodge Truck. I WAS a die-hard GM owner for 30 years.
Greg
Bill Pitz
> Roadkill Jam <roadkil...@SPAMmindspring.com> wrote in message
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> <snip>
>> > You got to stop over and get a good laugh.
>>
>> I did. I thought it was hilarious that this video was supposed to prove
>> anything.
> <snip>
> It's funny, and yet, it's scary. There are a lot of people out there who
> would actually believe this video (or make up their minds that they want to
> believe it). There are WAY too many variables to have a "pull-off" like
> that, it makes absolutely no logical sense.
The entire thing would have to be computer controlled. Still, the terrain
is not going to be perfect, either. So I guess that also would have to be
brand new asphalt that was electronically tested for precision. :)
-Bill
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Eldon Jons
Your reasoning sounds like mine.
I tell people I bought a Cummins engine - it just happens to be wrapped
in a Dodge Truck. I WAS a die-hard GM owner for 30 years.
Ditto here...wish the Cummins would of fit in my 96 GMC. Sweet truck
but needed a few more horses. I just can't help but feel Dodge cheaped
out on a few areas such as paint quality, cruise control, stereo,
interior trim and that damn cheap 18 guage wiring to the tail lights!!!
So long....
›››››› Eldon ;>)
codeman
"Eldon Jons" <eju...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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Don't know about Dodge paint quality, mine is good but only two years old...
My Dodge cruise control is excellent, so far , after two years.. Stero does
just fine, but I am old and have lost some hearing, any way, the radio does
me good.. Absolutely no complaints with interior trim. Don't know what you
are talking about with the 18 gauge wiring to the tail lights?? Tail lights
have been working flawlessly for two years so what more can I ask them to
do?
Now I have previously driven a 1977 Chevy for 22 years before the Dodge.
Chevy/GMC have had/presently have/ and probably in the future have the
absolute the worse seats of any manufacture. God are they awful.
For the last ten years of that Chevy life, that I owned, the radio stoped
working/poor reception cause of the windshield antenna, the windshield
squirters stopped (ok, they deserved to) , the cab heater stoped( even after
replacing the heater core,hoses,etc) the cab fan sounded like it was
working but nothing came out (completely cked out everything that I could
think of) , the power steering pump continued to leaked after being
replaced twice....Numerous engine leaks (thought thats the way american cars
are suppose to do... and the engine never had or would ever have any power
even when the truck had 4.56 rear end gears..... Thing got about 10 mpg...
The good news was that it was paid for and it never left me walking... Thats
worth a whole lot of something... It was my first new truck and I still
have fond memories of where the two of us had been...
Eldon Jons
Don't know about Dodge paint quality, mine is good but only two years
old... My Dodge cruise control is excellent, so far , after two years..
Stero does just fine, but I am old and have lost some hearing, any way,
the radio does me good.. Absolutely no complaints with interior trim.
Don't know what you are talking about with the 18 gauge wiring to the
tail lights?? Tail lights have been working flawlessly for two years so
what more can I ask them to do?
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As far as the paint, I was referring to scratch resistance.....doesn't
take much to leave a mark. I've noticed it on a lot of other Dodges
used as work trucks....
My cruise control has an annoying surge when I am running without a
load. It scares me to think what that Cummins HO is doing to the
driveline when it constantly winds up the slack, then 5 seconds later
lets off.....can't be good. I hear they have gone to the electronic (no
cable) CC as of MY 2001.5... GMC had that in 1994!
With the stereo, I guess the 6 speakers and rounded buttons had me
spoiled (sometimes you can "feel" quality). The same level trim on the
Dodge SLT doesn't have the same quality of fabric as the GMC SLE. After
145,000 miles, mine didn't show one bit of wear on the seats, whereas I
looked at a used Dodge with 36k on it and the driver seat was already
worn thru in one spot. Also the plastic panels on the doors are really
flimsey and seem cheap to me. The carpeting at the bottom is already
coming untucked at 5k from the bounce each time I close the door.
Dodge only wired the tail lights to run the tail lights, no more. If
you pull a trailer you need to pay $100 for another wiring harness with
relays and heavier wires. If they had used heavier wire, all I would
have had to do was run a brake and power wire and I would have been done
(like I did on my GMC). Now how many pennies would it have cost to run
a little heavier wire at the factory??
I guess in all fairness I should comment on what I think is better on
the Dodge. The twin caliper brakes are great so far. The truck turns
sharper and handles like a smaller truck than the GMC....I think the
narrow hood and smaller steering wheel add to that affect. Of course
the Cummins makes the truck.....but that is not a Dodge design.
I don't think it is quite fair to compare a 1970's truck to any newer
truck.....and of course many people probably have had a bad apple no
matter what brand. I do like the Dodge Cummins...but in my opinion GM
uses better quality (at least in the mid to high trim levels) materials
than Dodge. Most people who disagree probably have on their Mopar
colored glasses.....
So long....
›››››› Eldon ;>)
Bryan Foust
not through mopar colored glasses. At 69,000 miles the damn Chuvit was
literally falling apart, both in the interior AND the exterior. Further my
experience with the three GM products that my folks had over the years that
shared many of the same problems. GM builds crap vehicles - period, and
I'll never put another one in my driveway. Contracting with Cummins was the
smartest thing Dodge has ever done. If you want it right, go with the
pro's, and Cummins is a pro in the diesel engine business. Dodge vehicles
aren't infalliable, but they are IMHO the best on the market. My truck has
66K on the odometer and still looks new when I clean it up, save for the
inevitable scratches in the bed from use. The Chuvit was well taken care of
and never wrecked. My Dodge sees much harder use than the Chevy ever did.
Bryan
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Greg Surratt
wrote:
> As far as the paint, I was referring to scratch resistance.....doesn't
>take much to leave a mark. I've noticed it on a lot of other Dodges
>used as work trucks....
Yep. I dragged the hose very lightly across one of the dually fenders
the first time I washed mine and caught pure hell from "she who must
be obeyed" when she discovered the little green marks. And they are
still there and wouldn't polish out.
> My cruise control has an annoying surge when I am running without a
>load. It scares me to think what that Cummins HO is doing to the
>driveline when it constantly winds up the slack, then 5 seconds later
>lets off.....can't be good. I hear they have gone to the electronic (no
>cable) CC as of MY 2001.5... GMC had that in 1994!
The only gripe I have with the cruise control is that it tends to
"slingshot" the rig as I top a hill. Without a load, at the top of a
hill, I notice the truck accelerates about 10 mph over my setting and
then backs off and settles back in. I don't really need to be running
10 over as I start down the other side. It isn't quite as bad with a
load, but it still happens.
> With the stereo, I guess the 6 speakers and rounded buttons had me
>spoiled (sometimes you can "feel" quality). The same level trim on the
>Dodge SLT doesn't have the same quality of fabric as the GMC SLE. After
>145,000 miles, mine didn't show one bit of wear on the seats, whereas I
>looked at a used Dodge with 36k on it and the driver seat was already
>worn thru in one spot. Also the plastic panels on the doors are really
>flimsey and seem cheap to me.
And they hold dirt real well too - just like the outside paint.
> Dodge only wired the tail lights to run the tail lights, no more. If
>you pull a trailer you need to pay $100 for another wiring harness with
>relays and heavier wires. If they had used heavier wire, all I would
>have had to do was run a brake and power wire and I would have been done
>(like I did on my GMC). Now how many pennies would it have cost to run
>a little heavier wire at the factory??
No comment here. I rigged for towing when I bought the truck.
Greg
'98 3500 QC 4x2 Cummins ISB, Auto, 3.54:1,
Driftwood with Leather and all the heavy duty options.
'89 Nu-Wa Champagne Edition, 34 foot Fifth Wheel.
drifter
1/2 ton elcheapo W/T. Comparing to a 3/4 ton SLE is a bit of a stretch.
Face it, you get what you pay for!
In article <EUUD5.30262$sB2.5...@news-east.usenetserver.com>,
"Bryan Foust" <bfoust*@*ntws.net> wrote:
> I used to have a 94 Chevy truck, so when I say that Dodge is better,
it is
> not through mopar colored glasses. At 69,000 miles the damn Chuvit
was
> literally falling apart, both in the interior AND the exterior.
Further my
> experience with the three GM products that my folks had over the years
that
> shared many of the same problems. GM builds crap vehicles - period,
and
> I'll never put another one in my driveway. Contracting with Cummins
was the
> smartest thing Dodge has ever done. If you want it right, go with the
> pro's, and Cummins is a pro in the diesel engine business. Dodge
vehicles
> aren't infalliable, but they are IMHO the best on the market. My
truck has
> 66K on the odometer and still looks new when I clean it up, save for
the
> inevitable scratches in the bed from use. The Chuvit was well taken
care of
> and never wrecked. My Dodge sees much harder use than the Chevy ever
did.
> 1999 Dodge Ram 2500 Cummins 24 Valve Turbodiesel
>
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Before you buy.
Greg Surratt
>Seems you are comparing apples to oranges here. IIR, your Chev was a
>1/2 ton elcheapo W/T. Comparing to a 3/4 ton SLE is a bit of a stretch.
> Face it, you get what you pay for!
Well, I guess I could come closer to an apple/orange comparison. I
replaced a '79 GMC 3500 4x4 single Rear wheel with a 350 CID with the
Cummins engine wrapped in a Ram skin as listed below.
The '79 got 8 mpg, regardless of whether I was running empty or
pulling my 5000 camper, highway or city. If nothing else, it was
consistent in the fuel consumption. And it was noticeably slower on
the hills with the 5000 lb camper than the Cummins with the 12,000 lb
fiver I now tow.
I only hope the Dodge is as dependable as the GMC was. I finally
decided to trade up because when I moved to Norfolk from California,
the body on the GMC took a beating in the rust department.
Bryan Foust
trim package with no frills. The body and interior (ie dashboard) are
identical, regardless of what trim is ordered. save for the seats and
rubber floor. I replaced the Chuvit with a 96 Ram 1500 WS. The WS is the
same entry level fleet vehicle as the W/T in the GM camp. It was 1000%
better than the Chuvit. Not untill after I bought the 96 did my needs begin
to exceed what an ultra basic 1/2 ton truck could deliver. My Cummins is
NOT an SLT model. It is the simplest 3/4 ton I could find - the ST. The
floor is rubber, the seats, the basic cloth material. Only options that
this truck has are what is necessary for my use. A/C, radio and cruise. It
happened to have the camper special package, and I am now glad for it as I
have even sunk this vehicle onto the helper springs several times. I'll
stand behind my statements that GM execs wouldn't know what a quality
vehicle was if it ran over them.
Bryan
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1983 Volkswagen Rabbit 1.6 L turbodiesel
1988.5 Suzuki Samurai Hardtop
1999 Dodge Ram 2500 Cummins 24 Valve Turbodiesel
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> Seems you are comparing apples to oranges here. IIR, your Chev was a
> 1/2 ton elcheapo W/T. Comparing to a 3/4 ton SLE is a bit of a stretch.
> Face it, you get what you pay for!
>
> In article <EUUD5.30262$sB2.5...@news-east.usenetserver.com>,
> "Bryan Foust" <bfoust*@*ntws.net> wrote:
> > I used to have a 94 Chevy truck, so when I say that Dodge is better,
> it is
> > not through mopar colored glasses. At 69,000 miles the damn Chuvit
> was
> > literally falling apart, both in the interior AND the exterior.
> Further my
> > experience with the three GM products that my folks had over the years
> that
> > shared many of the same problems. GM builds crap vehicles - period,
> and
> > I'll never put another one in my driveway. Contracting with Cummins
> was the
> > smartest thing Dodge has ever done. If you want it right, go with the
> > pro's, and Cummins is a pro in the diesel engine business. Dodge
> vehicles
> > aren't infalliable, but they are IMHO the best on the market. My
> truck has
> > 66K on the odometer and still looks new when I clean it up, save for
> the
> > inevitable scratches in the bed from use. The Chuvit was well taken
> care of
> > and never wrecked. My Dodge sees much harder use than the Chevy ever
> did.
> > 1999 Dodge Ram 2500 Cummins 24 Valve Turbodiesel
> >
>
>
>