Dodge V10 vs Ford V10
LOU DUNLAP
Is there anyone out there who can post a comparison between the Dodge
V10 and the Ford V10, (performance comparison, specs. etc.). I have a
Dodge V10 and I know my Ford buddies were in envy because Ford didn't
offer such a thing until now.
I did see a new Ford V10 at a restaurant the other day and it looked
like it had Dodge all over it.
Lou Dunlap
Sandman
ive recently taken on a contract to install transmission pto's (to power
hydralic pumps for dump beds) for a local ford dealer. yesterday morning
they delivered three 1999 model F-450's. i saw them coming from a distance
and believed them to be dodge trucks. other than the fact that they are
_obviously_ copying a dodge design that sells, they are actually rather nice
trucks. though i still prefer the dodge, ford framework/suspension has come
a long way.
LOU DUNLAP wrote in message <35466E2C...@swbell.net>...
Thomas Fuksa
lrun.com
Ford's V-10 is smaller at 6.8 Litre (around 420 cubes) and
has less advertised hp and torque (255 hp and 450 ft/lbs. or thereabouts.
It's a fairly high tech motor with overhead cams,etc. and it must be
pretty tough because any motorhomes put on a Ford Van chassis are getting
it. I drove one and it definitely is less powerful than a Dodge but
still very smooth and more than adequate for most towing applications.
I will say that Ford's Superduty lineup is impressive from a choice of
cab/box styles. You can get std/ext cab/crew cab all with either a long
or short box and with either single or dual rear wheels in 4x2 or 4x4.
Dodge REALLY needs to offer a crew cab in addition to the Quad Cab for
for those of us who need a real back seat!! I'm hoping 1999 is the year
they wake up and offer one!
us...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
I think it's pretty sick, that ford had to copy dodge Ram's look.
I mean sure, they wanted to have a kick ass truck like a dodge, but
copying it, that's low. They only thing that ford made different is that
their "front" design wraps around, kinda like a rectangle, or oval.
Dodge's doesn't.
Ford "trucks" are a cheap excuse for a truck.
they're pathetic
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Pete
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Ford just proves Dodge is the
best.
Pete, 98 1500 QC 4x4, 3.92 LSD
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Sandman
in all fairness, lets be honest. the dodge quad cab is a rip-off from
cheverolet. true, they added an additional door, but the design came from
chevrolet. i do think though, that ford went a little too far with their
dodge clone.
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Michael G. McCoy
us...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote:
>
> I think it's pretty sick, that ford had to copy dodge Ram's look.
> I mean sure, they wanted to have a kick ass truck like a dodge, but
> copying it, that's low. They only thing that ford made different is that
> their "front" design wraps around, kinda like a rectangle, or oval.
> Dodge's doesn't.
> Ford "trucks" are a cheap excuse for a truck.
> they're pathetic
>
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> e-mail: us...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
On the other hand, Ford does offer a Crew Cab for those of us who care,
whereas Dodge has never come close to a crew cab. Only reason I don't
have a Dodge is because of that. I fantasize about the Cummins diesel,
but not enough to sacrifice my four full doors and real back seat. the
V-10 also intrigues me, but only Ford has it in a Crew Cab, so I guess
I'll buy the look alike guy, although in reality I really think it looks
better than the Dodge anyway. Sh** on Chevy diesels though. If you are
even remotely considering a Chevy Diesel, or know someone who is, have
them contact me before they waste their money.
Sven Setterdahl
Sorry guys, but the ONLY thing remotely similar on the Ford is the drop
fender treatment in front, and it is very different. No other part of the
truck looks anything like the dodge. Oh, except for dodge's "refined"
interior, that looks a lot like Ford's interior. As far as the extra
door's go. They were designed into the '97 F150s from the get go, as
standard equipment, where the chvy's was an afterthought to beat Ford to
the punchline.
Sven Setterdahl
us...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote:
> I think it's pretty sick, that ford had to copy dodge Ram's look.
> I mean sure, they wanted to have a kick ass truck like a dodge, but
> copying it, that's low. They only thing that ford made different is that
> their "front" design wraps around, kinda like a rectangle, or oval.
Actually, that's about the only thing that is similar.
> Dodge's doesn't.
> Ford "trucks" are a cheap excuse for a truck.
> they're pathetic
>
Let's see what's different:
Fender's don't bulge out, side windows, 4 wheel disc brakes...
Oh yeah, a crew cab, if you want it.
If you take the time to actually look, there's quite a big difference. All
you see is the drop-style front fenders, and you claim the whole truck is a
copy?
Ford's "pathetic" truck is the best selling vehicle made. People wouldn't
buy'em if they were junk.
I'm not bashing dodge, just clearing the air. Take a minute to look, and
you'll see how different these trucks are.
Sandman
correction. you cant say dodge NEVER offered a crew cab. i own an 81 d250
4x4 with 4 full doors.
Michael G. McCoy wrote in message <3547F5...@corridor.net>...
>us...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote:
>>
>> I think it's pretty sick, that ford had to copy dodge Ram's look.
>> I mean sure, they wanted to have a kick ass truck like a dodge, but
>> copying it, that's low. They only thing that ford made different is that
>> their "front" design wraps around, kinda like a rectangle, or oval.
>> Dodge's doesn't.
>> Ford "trucks" are a cheap excuse for a truck.
>> they're pathetic
>>
Sandman
i will give credit where due....the 99 ford trucks are nice.....i even give
them the best rating on suspension. however, dont _even_ try saying the
design isnt a rip-off of the 94 and up dodge. anyone with eyes can see it.
and now they offer a V10? c'mon. i understand your loyalty to your brand,
but dont let it blind you to the point of speaking in ignorance over
something so painfully obvious.
Sven Setterdahl wrote in message <35480103...@advancenet.net>...
Don Curtis
In article <35466E2C...@swbell.net>, ldu...@swbell.net wrote:
>Is there anyone out there who can post a comparison between the Dodge
>V10 and the Ford V10, (performance comparison, specs. etc.). I have a
>Dodge V10 and I know my Ford buddies were in envy because Ford didn't
>offer such a thing until now.
>
>I did see a new Ford V10 at a restaurant the other day and it looked
>like it had Dodge all over it.
>
>Lou Dunlap
>
I had a magazine here that did the comparison...but, of course, my kids took
it...can't find it right now...but from memory:
1. Lower HP (Ford at 275 I think, Dodge at 300)
2. Lower torque (Ford in the +400 range, but not up to 450)
3. Lower cubes...again, from memory....the Ford is 6.9 liters. The Dodge
is 8 liters.
this I do remember...the Dodge V10 is the largest (highest
displacement) gasoline engine manufactured in the US.
Don
Sandman
the mechanical design of the ford V10 is good. i wont argue that. however,
the fact they now offer a V10 in itself is copying the dodge. when the ford
V10 performs as well as the dodge, i will consider the price difference.
btw, the idea of interchangeable parts (as i understand it) comes from gm.
the 4.3 vortec is the 5.7 with 2 cylinders cut off.
auto manufacturers have been copying one another for years, theres nothing
new about that. look at what the chrysler mini-van turned into. i just
think ford went a little far with the new body design, as i said in an
earlier post, i saw two 99's being delivered to my shop from the dealer (so
i could install pto's on the transmissions) and thought they were dodges
coming from a distance.
at the risk of sounding petty, i think your comparison of the new rams to
the 30's and 40's vehicles is apples and oranges when comparing the new
dodge to the new fords. dodge took an old idea and brought it back to life,
then ford followed their lead.
if i were going to race a 100% stock truck in a baja race i would probably
choose a 1 ton extended cab 4x4 ford with the V10 but this is _only_ because
of the superior suspension. in order to provide that "cadillac ride" the
rams are equipped with relatively weak springs which would limit speed due
to hard landings. however, with an aftermarket suspension, id take the 2500
ram 4x4 with the V10 any day. diesel wouldnt be any good, atleast not a
stock one because my 96 3500 dually with the cummins top speed is 85mph.
with everyone else running 150+ id finish last.
why did i get off on this tangent? i have _no_ idea. :-)
Sven Setterdahl wrote in message <354912AB...@advancenet.net>...
>What are the copies again? Ford's V10 is an extension of it's modular
engine
>line. It is a 5.4L engine with two extra cylinders down to the tee. Same
>bore, same stroke. The 5.4L is a stroked 4.6L. This means I can option a
Ford
>V10 for about $300 extra, where the dodge is about $900 extra. Parts
>interchangeability. Less tooling equals less cost. Their use of a V10
clearly
>has nothing to do with what dodge has.
>
>I can see your point about the drop fenders up front. Not original, but
>neither is the dodges. Take a look at cars and trucks from the 30s and 40s
>from all makers. This is the only feature I see as similar.
>
>Yes, I drive Fords and probably always will, but I am also an engineer and
can
>envision Ford's modular engine concept. John Deere has been doing the with
>their tractor engines for years. One basic design that can be configured
to
>make as much or as little power as needed.
>
>Sven
Bob
Thomas Fuksa wrote:
>
> Not very observant,but there is honeycomb in the grille like the
> Dodge.Outer edges next to the headlites.
If you look real close you'll see that the Ford has four
wheels......just like the Dodge! The Ford has the engine up front under
the hood with the transmission right behind........just like the Dodge!
The Ford uses a steering wheel to control direction......just like the
Dodge! The Ford provides seats in the cab so you don't have to
stand.......just like the Dodge! It must be a conspiracy! Dodge should
patent all their inovations so Ford won't be able to copy
them........... ;-) Bob
Thomas Fuksa
Not very observant,but there is honeycomb in the grille like the
Dodge.Outer edges next to the headlites.
<35480103...@advancenet.net>...
> Sorry guys, but the ONLY thing remotely similar on the Ford is the drop
> fender treatment in front, and it is very different. No other part of
the
> truck looks anything like the dodge. Oh, except for dodge's "refined"
> interior, that looks a lot like Ford's interior. As far as the extra
> door's go. They were designed into the '97 F150s from the get go, as
> standard equipment, where the chvy's was an afterthought to beat Ford to
> the punchline.
>
Pete
Ouch!!! Do I hear a ford lover that had his feelings hurt?
Bob
Pete wrote:
>
> Ouch!!! Do I hear a ford lover that had his feelings hurt?
the possible exception of the dropped fenders. I've got two brochures in
front of me, one for the 1999 Super Duty Ford and one for the Dodge Ram.
Different as night and day......look at the side windows, the
wheelwells, the shape of the exterior bed panels, the headlights and
turn signals, and don't forget the interior. With the Ford you can get
leather interior *without* the stupid looking fake woodgrain panels and
trim in the Dodge.
I think there are plenty of Dodge boys who are worried or have *their*
feelings hurt. When there was just the F-150 the Dodge had no
competition. The F-150 is waaaay too cute to compete with a Ram. The
Super Duty, well that's a different story. Have you noticed that since
the introduction of the Super Duty, Dodge has started advertising all
kinds of discounts and incentives on the Ram pick-up truck?
Hmmmmmm........
They're both fine trucks........and the competition between them will
only cause them both to steadily improve. Bob
Sandman
youre right about one thing, they are _both_ fine trucks. this however,
happens to be the dodge forum, so dont expect much support.
Bob wrote in message <354A81...@yahoo.com>...
us...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
Wat all of us are trying to say is that Ford stole dodge's DESIGN.
Get it?!
Duh! All trucks used to look the same, and now all trucks still have an
engine, and tires etc. they have just resorted to other NEWER designs.
Well MOST companies. Dodge had an individual VERY good NEW look, and now
ford had to do the same.
yuck.
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Jim Chaney
This is my opinion:
If its a truck, and your happy with it, if it does everything you need
it to do, its YOUR truck and you should be prowd of it weather its a
Dodge, For, Chevy, Isuzu, Toyota, whatever. I personally chose Dodge
because my last vehicle was a Dodge, it never did me wrong and was still
running when I traded it for my current Dodge. Had a Ford once that
caught on fire two weeks after we got it, and it was never fixed right
after. I know it was mostly because of the dealership we got it from
that was the problem getting fixed, but you remember those things when
you go to buy a new vehicle.
Lorne Mann
> > I think it's pretty sick, that ford had to copy dodge Ram's look.
> > I mean sure, they wanted to have a kick ass truck like a dodge, but
> > copying it, that's low. They only thing that ford made different is
that
> > their "front" design wraps around, kinda like a rectangle, or oval.
>
>
> > Ford "trucks" are a cheap excuse for a truck.
> > they're pathetic
> >
>
> Let's see what's different:
>
> Fender's don't bulge out, side windows, 4 wheel disc brakes...
>
> Oh yeah, a crew cab, if you want it.
>
> If you take the time to actually look, there's quite a big difference.
All
> you see is the drop-style front fenders, and you claim the whole truck is
a
> copy?
>
> Ford's "pathetic" truck is the best selling vehicle made. People
wouldn't
> buy'em if they were junk.
>
> I'm not bashing dodge, just clearing the air. Take a minute to look, and
> you'll see how different these trucks are.
>
>
The biggest difference in the trucks for me was what your right foot
controls. drive any Ford truck with any motor and then drive a Dodge with
the same motor (v-6 for v-6, 4.6 for 5.2, 5.4 for 5.9, v-10for v-10, diesel
for diesel). Ford has succeded at taking any power they had and flushing it
down the toilet. Besides that, if you want a 4x4 and like a good old proven
solid front axle, it's an obvious choice. The Dodge still looks better
anyway, and the price was better. Guess which kind of truck this once true
blue fan just bought? My friends have Chevys and Fords and I drive them
occasionally and it just makes me that much happier with my choice. Ford
USED to have the best truck. USED TOO!
us...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
Ford sucks.
Well what can you do? there will ALWAYS be people who will like CRAPPY
cars. It's your own choice.
just don't ask me for help when you're stuck at the side of the road
because you drive a ford and it fucked up on you.........
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Jim Chaney
Actually it makes me happy to pull a ford out of the mud when it gets
stuck. Especially when that Ford was a 4WD, and my Dodge is 2WD! :)
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ARNET
I left this newsgroup 6 months ago for postings like these. Well, seee ya.
BTW, who gives a f**** whether it's a dodge, ford, yugo....
MOONM...@webtv.net
DSCpds
>Ford stole dodge's DESIGN.
Take a look at BIG Ford trucks prior to 94. Who stole what??
Sandman
apples and oranges comparison. virtually all 2 1/2 ton and up trucks have
drop fenders.
the design on the 2 1/2 ton and up trucks has never changed, because theres
no real need for stylish appeal on the big trucks, thus they havent been
suscepable to consumer fad.
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us...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
> look at trucks prior to 94, who stole what?
Ummm let's see, all trucks used to look the same, that squarish look.
Just a plain truck look. (chevy, gmc, dodge, ford etc.)
Then dodge went with their new look and ford went in a different direction
with their look.
NOW ford is going with dodge's design and in that direction.
They know that dodge has a nicer design.
and of course chevy and gmc still have their "basic" look, which looks
good. (tho plain)
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David Guarino
Sandman wrote in message <6invm8$i...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>...
>apples and oranges comparison. virtually all 2 1/2 ton and up trucks have
>drop fenders.
>the design on the 2 1/2 ton and up trucks has never changed, because theres
>no real need for stylish appeal on the big trucks, thus they havent been
>suscepable to consumer fad.
>
Styling on commercial trucks hasn't changed? I own several class 8
tractors and I've noticed within the last 10 years they have become just as
stylish as passenger vehicles.
Sandman
difference in opinion then.....i think they still basically look the same.
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