Arbitration again, I'm sorry to say.
Roger Covalt
(again) arbitration papers against DC for the infamous knocking and
pinging (yes, I tried what was suggested here, with the Champion
Trucks plugs making the biggest difference, but after only 5,000 with
them in, the problem cam back), the disappearing coolant problem (I've
had the radiator replaced twice so far, and the thermostat gasket also
replaced twice). Also, I'm going to whine about recent transmission
fluid analysis that showed high levels of the wear metals in it.
Some will say "sell it," but I feel that Dodge should be forced to
actually fix a problem than offer temporary fixes (What is
interesting, during my first arbitration, DC actually stated in
writing that the knocking and pinging could affect resale value of the
Ram).
See, I've never had a vehicle that has had problems like this one. I
treat my vehicles well and they last and last. I'm also not a man of
money. I can't go out and buy a new vehicle every couple of years. I
tend to own my vehicles for 12+ years.
So if you got any real suggestions or comments that could actually
help me here, I really would appreciate it.
Roger
98 1500 QC RAM
Roger C. Covalt
iwear...@bigfoot.com
"I am not over-fond of resisting temptation." William Beckford
RedNeck TookOver Hell
>(again) arbitration papers against DC for the infamous knocking and
>pinging
That is too bad,
There's a difference between posters that yell and scream about Dodge junk and
people like you that try to work with the dealer and whoever else to get the
problem resolved. When that doesn't work, it's time to go to the next step,
whatever that might be.
There is an independent garage up this way that does a call in radio show on
Saturday mornings. They were talking about this problem a couple weeks ago.
Not just confined to Dodge trucks. Their take on it is the quality of gasoline
these days.I know that doesn't help you in your situation.
I hope it all works out for you.
God, Guns, Mopars, Sex & Rock & Roll!!!
Beebop
to ever climb out. I think you said it best when you said the magic
word,"SELL"! Remember, once a lemon, always a lemon. Have you looked at the
nice things the blue oval offers? I was just like you and I ditched the
dodge.
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Mike C
Ford. I had a choice between a Dodge and an older Ford.
I've had more probs with the dodge than my friend has with
the Ford. I went dodge to get away from Chevy and found the
suspension is no better. Now Ford ...
Gas quality is a factor. Not being a "man of money" you may choose
to use regular gas like many others. Not good with FI. Also, if it only
happens when you mash on the gas, it could be valve lash which used
to be solvable by retarding the timing at the expense of having to advance
it in the winter.
Also, about that radio show ... Even though DudLee may not be a man
of money, maybe he could afford a long distance phone call to
the show mentioned by RedNeck - if only he had the phone number.
In fact, I would like to have it considering the fact that my post hasn't
been answered. Is there a general mechanics group I should post to?
mike
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beekeep
I stand at attention and salute you sir!
beekeep
Roy
problems. Personally I had no transmission probs with either the 94 Dodge
Cummins w/auto, the damn thing was problem free and still is at 150K, The 2K
V10 with auto has had brake probs and the power steering pump went away.
Wife's New Beetle was great until 3K then turned into a total shit box that
she dumped. Her 2K Eldorado with 2,500 miles just had the cruise control
module replaced.
Point is this, some times you get junk and IF the getting is worth the going
ya fight 'em or if not get rid of it. All trucks and cars have problems, how
much you tolerate is your choice.
As a aside a guy I work with has a 99 ford 4X4 with a V10. He says when
turning sharply the front end scuffs like it was in 4wd on dry pavement.
Fords answer, change the stops so it doesn't turn as sharp. He can't get
into a parking space with out a couple of moves.
Later,
Roy
Beebop
Funny thing is my old 98 2500 dodge has been problem free ever since I sold
it, never even a hick-up, I am a perfectionist about my vehicles an the way
they're kept up. I guess some things just can't be explained and aren't
meant to be...go figure.
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Roy
sucks.
Later,
Roy
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Budd Cochran
"Mike C" <cm...@ptd.net> wrote in message
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> I shouldn't be surprised that someone mentioned the "blue oval" -
> Ford. I had a choice between a Dodge and an older Ford.
> I've had more probs with the dodge than my friend has with
> the Ford. I went dodge to get away from Chevy and found the
> suspension is no better. Now Ford ...
Do you want a truck or a car with a big open trunk?
>
> Gas quality is a factor. Not being a "man of money" you may choose
> to use regular gas like many others. Not good with FI. Also, if it only
> happens when you mash on the gas, it could be valve lash which used
> to be solvable by retarding the timing at the expense of having to advance
> it in the winter.
Can you say, "Hydraulic Valve Lifters"???? There is no lash, effectively,
because the lifters self-adjust. What you're hearing is Ping, Detonation,
Pre-ignition, hot spots in the cylinder, but not valve lash.
If it were valve lash, adjusting the timing wouldn't make much difference.
>
> Also, about that radio show ... Even though DudLee may not be a man
> of money, maybe he could afford a long distance phone call to
> the show mentioned by RedNeck - if only he had the phone number.
> In fact, I would like to have it considering the fact that my post hasn't
> been answered. Is there a general mechanics group I should post to?
>
> mike
There, it's answered. But you won't like it.
--
Mr. D-150
Budd Cochran
79 D-150
52 Cushman RoadKing motorscooter
mo...@smartgroups.com ( mopar turbo egroup)
Susan Smith
PCM with an update that came out in September and it has been fine since.
They had the truck twice before at the dealer and couldn't fix it. Every
dealer I talked to said there was no fix but after talking to the Chrysler
rep from arb they said there was an update but for some unknown reason
none of the dealers seemed to know about it. Gas mileage went up ad power
to boot. I too however am looking into Arb with them after today. The
rear end is had a seal replaced last week and now after a long trip the
rear sounds very bad. It is louder then the radio. Monday it goes in the
shop again and I get a lawyer. This truck is a replacement for a Lemon
Grand Cherokee that had major tranny problems. This truck has been in the
shop more then the Jeep but for various things. Here is the list perhaps
you have had the same as these:
1) Catalytic convertor replaced.
2) Thermostat gasket replaced.
3) Intake manifold gasket replaced.
4) PCM flashed twiced.
5) Reverse lights not working.
6) Shifter linkage three times before they got a real fix.
7) Rear yoke seal replaced.
8) Blower motor replaced.
9) Transmission mis-shift into over-drive twice. Reset code and made
adjustment.
10) And now finally the rear end sounds like it is burning up, and kind of
smells it as well.
They should really love me on Monday when they see me. It is bad when you
bevome first name basis witht he service department because of problems.
I know others in the area that have had allot of problems with there
Rams. Good luck with your situation.
anon...@mail.earthlink.net
says...
> I know that this will piss some of you off, but I am going be filing
> (again) arbitration papers against DC for the infamous knocking and
> pinging (yes, I tried what was suggested here, with the Champion
> Trucks plugs making the biggest difference, but after only 5,000 with
> them in, the problem cam back), the disappearing coolant problem (I've
> had the radiator replaced twice so far, and the thermostat gasket also
> replaced twice).
<snip>
> So if you got any real suggestions or comments that could actually
> help me here, I really would appreciate it.
>
I remember seeing threads talking about intake manifold gaskets leaking
and causing similar-sounding problems. Sorry, I don't recall the details
because it doesn't apply to my Cummins. ;-)
Anyway, it may be worth checking out, for both you AND your dealer.
--
Alphageek
'00 QC 4x4 CTD
Jens Gecius
Just forget it!
They replaced my intake manifold gasket around 1000 miles ago and it
stopped pinging. Now (approx 15.500 miles) it pings again. By the way:
it's not first or second time they replaced it! They also tried the
wire reroute and I'm not sure about the timing. But it always came
down to a leaking gasket.
Not what I call quality!
I'm sadly disappointed by my 5.2l engine.
Originally, I planned to take that truck back to Germany, in 1.5
years. Now, I'm glad I just leased it and can just drop the keys at
the dealership and get rid of the truck!
Thanks Dodge, I expected more.
--
Tschoe, Get my gpg-public-key here
Jens http://gecius.de/gpg-key.txt
Roger Covalt
times so far.
Mike C
> Do you want a truck or a car with a big open trunk?
Ford has stiff , tough suspension. Dodge and Chevy don't. I don't like cars,
I like trucks and vans.
> Can you say, "Hydraulic Valve Lifters"???? There is no lash, effectively,
> because the lifters self-adjust. What you're hearing is Ping, Detonation,
> Pre-ignition, hot spots in the cylinder, but not valve lash.
Well excuse me! you right, of course. I was flashing back to an old
Scottsdale
that had it's engine replaced with an old Olds [ :-) ] engine and I'm not
sure
if it had hydraulic lifters or not but "valve lash" was mentioned by
someone. I retarded
the timing & had no prob until winter when I had to advance it again to get
started.
It was probably just pinging when I mashed on the gas. I did use cheap gas
back then.
I think it was an '80 or '82 truck (was diesel) with a rebuilt Olds (gas)
engine. Not sure
when hydrualic lifters came out.
> There, it's answered. But you won't like it.
What is answered? The only question I asked was in regards to the phone
number
of the radio show. Actually, I don't think the first thread of this post
asked a
question. It was an invitation for comments and suggestions that may help.
But since you seem to be very knowlegable, maybe you could address the post
on backfire (?) problem posted on the 26th.
thanks
mike
t00lm...@my-deja.com
arbitration because of the rear axle burning up twice and "singing" a
third time. It seems as if my 2000 QC 5.9l 4x4 just wasn't made for
towing...anything! They tried the synthetic lube; no help.
It smells really bad went it burns too. It smells like a propane leak
which, when you're towing a trailer with propane, is a very
disconcerting thing.
Unfortunately, I have to replace it with another Dodge. I'll get the
2001 2500 Cummins. Hopefully IT can pull what the owners manual says it
will.
Susan Smith <srs...@iquest.net> wrote: The
> rear end had a seal replaced last week and now after a long trip the
> rear sounds very bad. It is louder then the radio. Monday it goes
in the
> shop again and I get a lawyer.
> 7) Rear yoke seal replaced.
> 10) And now finally the rear end sounds like it is burning up, and
kind of
> smells it as well.
>
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"Mike C" <cm...@ptd.net> wrote in message
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>
> > Do you want a truck or a car with a big open trunk?
>
> Ford has stiff , tough suspension. Dodge and Chevy don't. I don't like
cars,
> I like trucks and vans.
I got to ride with Bryan Foust in his Cummins Ram, and I found the
suspension to be fine, stiff but not bouncy or too compliant ( read:
caddidillac smooth). I like it fine.
My 79,otoh, rides like a TRUCK!!!
>
> > Can you say, "Hydraulic Valve Lifters"???? There is no lash,
effectively,
> > because the lifters self-adjust. What you're hearing is Ping,
Detonation,
> > Pre-ignition, hot spots in the cylinder, but not valve lash.
>
> Well excuse me! you right, of course. I was flashing back to an old
> Scottsdale
> that had it's engine replaced with an old Olds [ :-) ] engine and I'm not
> sure
> if it had hydraulic lifters or not but "valve lash" was mentioned by
> someone. I retarded
> the timing & had no prob until winter when I had to advance it again to
get
> started.
> It was probably just pinging when I mashed on the gas. I did use cheap gas
> back then.
> I think it was an '80 or '82 truck (was diesel) with a rebuilt Olds (gas)
> engine. Not sure
> when hydrualic lifters came out.
In Oldsmobiles, in the 50's IIRC. Mopar waited a little longer, but made
them better. The reason you had to advance the timing in the winter was
because of the choke closing tighter due to colder weather. The fire had to
be lit a little sooner to get enough cylinder pressure to keep the engine
running.
>
> > There, it's answered. But you won't like it.
>
> What is answered? The only question I asked was in regards to the phone
> number
> of the radio show. Actually, I don't think the first thread of this post
> asked a
> question. It was an invitation for comments and suggestions that may help.
>
> But since you seem to be very knowlegable, maybe you could address the
post
> on backfire (?) problem posted on the 26th.
>
> thanks
> mike
When another gives a correct answer, why should I repeat what he ( or she)
said?? IIRC, CBHVAC gave the answers correctly.
--
Mr. D-150
Budd Cochran
79 D-150
52 Cushman RoadKing motorscooter
PcolaPhil
dealers who were making the fix were the screwups. I communicated
with DC and they advised me that they would keep an eye on any further
gasket changes and would probably pick up the cost. The last two were
put in by the Dodge dealer here in Pensacola, and when I went in for
the last one, they told me "Well it is obvious what the problem is,
you have the wrong gasket in there." So I advised them that they were
the repair shop who had put the previous one in, so why did they
install the wrong one. No answer; no subsequent problems. It's on a
V-10. That was about 3 years ago.
PcolaPhil
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Susan Smith
it was the surroundings. Thanks for the info.
jetski junkies
will ping.
Perry
Tom Lawrence
>will ping.
BS - my Magnum has NEVER eaten a cap, or rotor... and I guarantee it never
will.
Bryan Foust
truck. :)
I test drove a Ford PSD once.
Must stand for piece of shit diesel. I was NOT impressed with it.
Bryan
--
1976 AMC Hornet (project)
1983 Volkswagen Rabbit 1.6 L turbodiesel
1988.5 Suzuki Samurai Hardtop
1999 Dodge Ram 2500 Cummins 24 Valve Turbodiesel
"Budd Cochran" <mr-...@citlink.net> wrote in message
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> "Mike C" <cm...@ptd.net> wrote in message
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> >
>
> I got to ride with Bryan Foust in his Cummins Ram, and I found the
> suspension to be fine, stiff but not bouncy or too compliant ( read:
> caddidillac smooth). I like it fine.
>
Bryan Foust
to know.
Bryan
--
1976 AMC Hornet (project)
1983 Volkswagen Rabbit 1.6 L turbodiesel
1988.5 Suzuki Samurai Hardtop
1999 Dodge Ram 2500 Cummins 24 Valve Turbodiesel
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jetski junkies
buildup on the cap pins inside the cap, where the rotor touches. 10,000 miles
and it will be a dog with pinging. Change the cap and rotor along with
disconnecting the battery to reboot the computer and all power is back and no
pinging.
Perry
Stephen Harding
> How long have you had your Magnum engine? Mine is a `92 and it gets lots of
> buildup on the cap pins inside the cap, where the rotor touches. 10,000 miles
> and it will be a dog with pinging. Change the cap and rotor along with
> disconnecting the battery to reboot the computer and all power is back and no
> pinging.
>
> Tom Lawrence wrote:
>
> > >The magnum motors will eat caps and rotors, and cause loss of power and
> > >will ping.
> >
> > BS - my Magnum has NEVER eaten a cap, or rotor... and I guarantee it never
> > will.
My 3+ year old (1998) 5.2L Magnum has 40K miles and its original cap and rotor,
and no buildup. Never any ping even with the normal 87 octane and a heavy load.
Will I have to wait 7-8 more years for this problem to develop?
SMH
Roy
It was real quick and a lot of fun to drive until about 4K. Then it was one
thing after another, all electrical. A total of 5 no starts and ramp trucks
to the dealer. VW attempted to repair it time after time, was to the point
of sorta throwing parts at it. The dealer went to VWofA, they didn't have a
clue. Electrical, seems to be a common problem with them, also a inadequate
parts supply, everything has to be ordered and it is shipped by mule, down
time was unreal.
After so many road failures we didn't trust it and dumped it.
Later,
Roy
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Tom Lawrence
I've had it since '95 - 77,000 miles, and I have NEVER had to change the cap
or rotor.
wddodge
Your mean!! Now tell him the rest of the story
Denny
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jetski junkies
hasn't lasted 77,000 miles! When I pull mine off about every 10,000 and it is a
mess inside.
Perry
Tom Lawrence
Never - I always do all of my own work. Well, except for the one time I
paid someone to install a clutch - but that was only because there was 12"
of snow and ice covering my driveway.
>I know it hasn't lasted 77,000 miles! When I pull mine off about every
10,000 and it is a
>mess inside.
I stand by my original statement.
Tom Lawrence
>
>Your mean!! Now tell him the rest of the story
It only takes a cursory scan of this NG to figure it out :)
this.net
aluminum oxide and this has to get real thick before there is any
problem. Just scrape it off if you don’t like to see it.
Sounds to me like you need to separate your plug wires per the TSB
from dodge. This is what stopped my sisters truck from pinging and
her mileage went up to boot! If it is pinging most likely your timing
is too far advanced or you are cross firing because the plug wires are
too close together. I would check the timing and measure the plug
wires with an ohm meter. Neat looking bundled plug wiring don’t work.
New plugs would fix hers for 4000 miles and then the problem would
come back. The dealer in New Orleans was making lots of money
installing new spark plugs so he denied there ever was a TSB on the
subject. Even when she handed him a printed copy he said it had ben
done. This was total BS. I had to do it my self and it worked like
a charm even 25,000 miles later no ping!