carjacking safety ????
g...@mindspring.com
you employ to remain safe in regards to car jacking, robbery etc ?
I live in Central Fl. area so the weather is very conducive to open air driving but like any good
size city crime is fairly common place.
for example i try never to get boxed in at a traffic light / i leave about 2 1/2 car lengths ahead
of me when i stop.
also i avoid stopping at quick mart type stores late at night
your ideas are appreciated thank you in advance
Paul
g...@mindspring.com
Jerry Springer
Carry a 45 and shoot the basterd. Fl is a concealed carry state right?
C5-Motorsport
Suggestion 2: Never carry cash (all CC)
Suggestion 3: Take CW with you, he will piss off anyone and they will go
away
--
=====
Charles
98 C5Motorsport
C5Motorsport
914-690-0998
Rye Brook, NY
http://www.masternetinc.com/c5motor/
Home of the 200 MPH C5
====
g...@mindspring.com wrote in message
<3671a475....@nntp.mindspring.com>...
Cw
From all the BS you have spewed, your breath would rival that of Godzilla!
Just opening your mouth would knock down a mugger or carjacker at 20 feet.
Why not bottle that crap and sell it on your website? Here's a suggestion -
"C-5 Motorsport" anti-carjack spray- will repel all would assailants at 20
feet. Patent pending and copyrighted. Just 19.95 a bottle. ha
I see you still want to flash guns. Like that feeling of power? Watch out,
those things really can harm someone and, unlike your BS, that damage is not
easily overcome.
Shut up .......net boy
C5-Motorsport wrote in message <74raf5$8...@chronicle.concentric.net>...
Ray M. Ransom
>Carry a 45 and shoot the basterd. Fl is a concealed carry state right?
JerRY, JerRY, JerRY...
g...@mindspring.com
Suggestion 1: ? what is the best firearm for this?/ what is best place to keep it in the auto? /
what defensive tactics are best when faced with armed attacker ?
Suggestion 2: I Agree one should never flash or brag about how much cash they have on them but the
corvette alone will attract undue attentions from would be assailants
Suggestion 3: Be Nice
Robert M. Kreidler
>
> Suggestion 1: ? what is the best firearm for this?/ what is best place to keep it in the auto? /
> what defensive tactics are best when faced with armed attacker ?
>
empty cases all over, providing forensics with evidence. .357 has a good
reputation, use 125 gr. loads, think about something like Remington's
medium velocity load. It's more controllable, and may exhibit less
flash. Don't use a long-barrelled gun. The length of the barrel just
makes it easier for the bad guy to wrest it away from you. 4" is about
max.; I personally favor 3". Some sort of non-lethal response is not a
bad idea. Pepper spray, Mace, etc., ARE bad ideas, since it might blow
back and incapacitate YOU! Some sort of sharp object, or a flail, to
discourage grasping hands, might help you to avoid having to shoot
someone. I've carried guns most of my adult life, but I hope that I
never have to shoot anyone. Nobody "wins" a gunfight; the best you can
hope for is that you come out of it no worse off that you were before it
occurred (which seldom happens).
> Suggestion 2: I Agree one should never flash or brag about how much cash they have on them but the
> corvette alone will attract undue attentions from would be assailants
>
Yup. So, be aware. Be alert. You should be able to see these things
coming, mostly. Practice 360 degree awareness. Pretend you're driving
illegally, and trying to spot cops before they spot you, if it helps(g).
Set your speed to hit the lights AS they turn green, still rolling, if
possible. Pick an alternate route. It isn't worth it to save 10 minutes,
to go where you may be victimized. Don't travel the same route every
day. It might get the bad guys attention, and they might wait for your
daily arrival.
> Suggestion 3: Be Nice
>
Right! Never try to piss people off; it might work! On the other hand,
don't act like a scared little victim-in-waiting. Meet the world with a
smile, and a firm, confident demeanor. Most people are not going to be
your enemy. For those that are intent upon doing you wrong, make
provisions for dealing with that situation.
> On 11 Dec 1998 06:33:09 PST, "C5-Motorsport" <holdi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >Suggestion 1: Gun! (but if you pull it out USE it!)
> >Suggestion 2: Never carry cash (all CC)
> >Suggestion 3: Take CW with you, he will piss off anyone and they will go
> >away
--
Bob K
a.k.a. kreidler at mail-sunlink-net
g...@mindspring.com
the car ( corvette have limited choices) so its concealed yet accessible knowing that unfortunately
the bad guy generally gets the drop on you and has adrenaline on his side
paul
gnn@mindspring
Bing
>
> your advice on the revolver seems great but i'm still not sure where the best place to keep it in
> the car ( corvette have limited choices) so its concealed yet accessible knowing that unfortunately
> the bad guy generally gets the drop on you and has adrenaline on his side
>
> paul
> gnn@mindspring
>
> "Robert M. Kreidler" <krei...@mail.sunlink.net> wrote:
>
Carry the gun in a small of the back holster - if the guy wants your
wallet, you can get the gun instead and you win. BUT, if he's holding a
gun on you at the time, best advice is to give him what he wants and cut
your losses. I would definitely recommend getting a carry permit if
possible. If you shoot someone, even in self defense, with an illegal
weapon ( carried concealed w/o permit, FI ), you WILL get some kind of
comeuppance, whether it be criminal law or civil law.
Jim CCW permit, S&W Airweight, 2" bbl., 160 gr. 38 Spl. in a '90
roadster
Robert M. Kreidler
>
> g...@mindspring.com wrote:
> >
> > your advice on the revolver seems great but i'm still not sure where the best place to keep it in
> > the car ( corvette have limited choices) so its concealed yet accessible knowing that unfortunately
> > the bad guy generally gets the drop on you and has adrenaline on his side
> >
> > paul
> > gnn@mindspring
> >
> > "Robert M. Kreidler" <krei...@mail.sunlink.net> wrote:
> >
> snip some quote
>
> Carry the gun in a small of the back holster
God, I hate those things! The Bianchi with the metal clip tends to come
out WITH the gun, which can make it difficult to get your finger in the
trigger guard. I find them to be uncomfortable as hell when seated in a
chair of any kind, and the sweat rolls down your back all over the gun,
rotting the finish (and underneath the grips on a stainless which AREN'T
rustproof).
- if the guy wants your
> wallet, you can get the gun instead and you win. BUT, if he's holding a
> gun on you at the time, best advice is to give him what he wants and cut
> your losses.
And he might do you anyway. Probably not. And if I had a passenger, I'd
give strong consideration to your idea. If I'm alone, I'm better off
shooting him. He has already put me in fear for my life, and the outcome
is problematical. Best play it safe.
> I would definitely recommend getting a carry permit if
>possible.
Definitely.
If you shoot someone, even in self defense, with an illegal
>weapon ( carried concealed w/o permit, FI ), you WILL get some kind of
> comeuppance, whether it be criminal law or civil law.
>
If you're foolish enough to stay around. I say "foolish", because he
might have a bunch of friends nearby who would try to avenge him. Better
to leave, and save your life.
> Jim CCW permit, S&W Airweight, 2" bbl., 160 gr. 38 Spl. in a '90
> roadster
--
Robert M. Kreidler
>
You know, I never gave it much thought. I don't seem to have one
definite place that I put the gun, in the Corvette. I'd better start
thinking about that, huh?
> your advice on the revolver seems great but i'm still not sure where the best place to keep it in
> the car ( corvette have limited choices) so its concealed yet accessible knowing that unfortunately
> the bad guy generally gets the drop on you and has adrenaline on his side
>
> paul
> gnn@mindspring
>
> "Robert M. Kreidler" <krei...@mail.sunlink.net> wrote:
>
--
C5-Motorsport
think the best place is on yourself NOT in the car. Even in FL a permit is a
smart idea, shooting someone without a permit will just create too many
problems.
One more suggestion... if you pull it out USE it don't wait otherwise
someone will before you.
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Charles
98 C5Motorsport
C5Motorsport
914-690-0998
Rye Brook, NY
http://www.masternetinc.com/c5motor/
Home of the 200 MPH C5
====
Robert M. Kreidler wrote in message <3671A8...@mail.sunlink.net>...
C5-Motorsport
--
=====
Charles
98 C5Motorsport
C5Motorsport
914-690-0998
Rye Brook, NY
http://www.masternetinc.com/c5motor/
Home of the 200 MPH C5
====
Robert M. Kreidler wrote in message <3671A8...@mail.sunlink.net>...
>Bing wrote:
>>
>> g...@mindspring.com wrote:
>> >
>> > your advice on the revolver seems great but i'm still not sure where
the best place to keep it in
>> > the car ( corvette have limited choices) so its concealed yet
accessible knowing that unfortunately
>> > the bad guy generally gets the drop on you and has adrenaline on his
side
>> >
>> > paul
>> > gnn@mindspring
>> >
>> > "Robert M. Kreidler" <krei...@mail.sunlink.net> wrote:
>> >
Bing
drivers who ignore a red light when you're waiting to go straight the
opposite way (not - :-D)!
Jim
Bing
>
> PS, I forgot, my choice is Beretta 98FS.
>
> --
> =====
> Charles
> 98 C5Motorsport
>
I prefer an inexpensive gun, in case the gendarmes decide to confiscate
it during a routine traffic stop for going 145 mph over the speed
limit. GBG
Jim
Bing
>
> g...@mindspring.com wrote in message
> <3671842b...@nntp.mindspring.com>...
> >
> >Suggestion 1: ? what is the best firearm for this?
>
> to practice to stay both safe and proficient, there is no better combat
> handgun than a Colt .45 ACP IMHO, or one of the good 1911 clones. The 1911
> style trigger is not for the novice. If you won't practice often, or don't
> have the time, pick either a double-action-only automatic, or a revolver.
>
> > what is best place to keep it in the auto?
>
> Not in the car, on your person in a strong-side belt holster, like the Galco
> Concealable. There are many other excellent belt holsters. I wear a Colt
> Commander .45 ACP in a Galco Concealable and the seat belt in my '94 Vette
> is not a problem. My son carries the exact same rig, but the seat belt in
> his Mustang GT covers the grip.
You sound like you're straight out of rec.guns......do you wear cammies
and a beret? :-)
Seem to know your guns - I also prefer the 1911 .45 ACP, but I'm too
small to hide it effectively (unless I get a holster that'll fit under
my belly :-) plus it's single action, and the small .45 autos are too
expensive to risk losing.
Of course, I spent $300 on my Airweight..... grin
Jim
Robert M. Kreidler
C5-Motorsport wrote:
> PS, I forgot, my choice is Beretta 98FS.
>
> --
> =====
> Charles
> 98 C5Motorsport
>
C5-Motorsport
Very precise, I love it. It's the only daily "wear", for home (wife) I have
a Norinko.
--
=====
Charles
98 C5Motorsport
C5Motorsport
914-690-0998
Rye Brook, NY
http://www.masternetinc.com/c5motor/
Home of the 200 MPH C5
====
Robert M. Kreidler wrote in message <3671E5A4...@mail.sunlink.net>...
C5-Motorsport
--
=====
Charles
98 C5Motorsport
C5Motorsport
914-690-0998
Rye Brook, NY
http://www.masternetinc.com/c5motor/
Home of the 200 MPH C5
====
C5-Motorsport wrote in message <74soqq$4...@journal.concentric.net>...
C5-Motorsport
Colt M1991A1
Novak Lo-Mount rear sight and dovetail front
Trijicon tritium inserts
Kart match barrel and bushing fitted
Full length guide rod
Flaired ejection port
Extended ejector
Wilson beavertail fitted and recontoured
Ed Brown tactical thumb safety
Area behind triggerguard relieved for hi grip
Frontstrap checkered 30 L.P.I.
ACP custom mainspring housing
Videki trigger installed
Ed Brown hammer
Trigger job of 4 to 4 1/2 pounds
Wolff springs
Bevel mag well fully
Dehorn all edges off gun
Gun refinished in Roguard
Rosewood grips
Now that's a REAL gun!
--
=====
Charles
98 C5Motorsport
C5Motorsport
914-690-0998
Rye Brook, NY
http://www.masternetinc.com/c5motor/
Home of the 200 MPH C5
====
Charles L. Cotton wrote in message <74sirg$g...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>...
>g...@mindspring.com wrote in message
><3671842b...@nntp.mindspring.com>...
>>
>>Suggestion 1: ? what is the best firearm for this?
>
>This will vary with the individual. As a general rule, if you are willing
>to practice to stay both safe and proficient, there is no better combat
>handgun than a Colt .45 ACP IMHO, or one of the good 1911 clones. The 1911
>style trigger is not for the novice. If you won't practice often, or don't
>have the time, pick either a double-action-only automatic, or a revolver.
>
>> what is best place to keep it in the auto?
>
>Not in the car, on your person in a strong-side belt holster, like the
Galco
>Concealable. There are many other excellent belt holsters. I wear a Colt
>Commander .45 ACP in a Galco Concealable and the seat belt in my '94 Vette
>is not a problem. My son carries the exact same rig, but the seat belt in
>his Mustang GT covers the grip.
>
>>what defensive tactics are best when faced with armed >attacker ?
>
>There are far too many issues to cover in a newsgroup post. First, get a
>Concealed Handgun License. Then, if time and money permit, go to a
>professional for training. There are probably excellent instructors in
>Fla., but I live in Texas and am not aware of them. You could check in on
>the tx.guns newsgroup and post a query. (tx.guns has many contributors
from
>all over the country, but primarily in the south.) One of the best schools
>in the country is in Texas. Its called Thunder Ranch and can be seen at
>http://www.thunderranchinc.com They also offer a home and vehicle course
>(HVC). However, you have to have taken their basic pistol course to take
>the HVC.
>
>
>Participation in IPSC (International Practical Shooting Confederation)
>http://www.ipsc.org or IDPA (International Defensive Pistol Association)
>http://www.idpa.com matches is an excellent way to develop and maintain
>shooting skills and make friends. Its much more fun than bullseye shooting
>and you learn tactics as well. You will see people at all levels of
>proficiency from the novice to men and women who will astonish you with
>their speed and accuracy.
>
>If you buy a gun learn to use it, if you don't know how already. The worst
>mistake someone can make is to get a pistol or revolver, load it and put in
>in a drawer (or holster) until their life depends upon being able to use
the
>gun.
>
>Regards,
>Chas.
>
>
>
Charles L. Cotton
g...@mindspring.com
There seems to be a little bit of interest in this issue so thought i'd let you'll know i posted the
follow question in the follow Ngs :rec.guns, can.talk. guns,tx.guns
since its off topic for this ng .
Thank again for all your follow up posts
Paul
Please help : Self defense question in regards to an armed attack in parking lot or at stop light in
convertible or in my case (removable top corvette ). I'm in Central Fl. and the weather here is very
conducive to open air driving year round and at all hours of the day and night.
1. what are the best defensive measures one can take to prevent an attack ?
1. what is the best firearm for this?
2. where is best place to keep a firearm in the auto?
3. what defensive tactics are best when faced with armed attacker ?
4. training centers in Florida?
Thank You in Advance
Paul
G...@mindspring.com
g...@mindspring.com
you have great taste in firearms
like both the S&W and Beretta 98FS.( is that the same as the military issue as a side arm? )
but i'm not sure about Norinko.
see my follow up about misc. gun ngs i posted a similar question to
paul
g...@mindspring.com
"C5-Motorsport"
Wrote
> remove r2
>
>Suggestion 1: ? what is the best firearm for this?/ what is best place to keep it in the auto? /
>what defensive tactics are best when faced with armed attacker ?
>
>
>Suggestion 2: I Agree one should never flash or brag about how much cash they have on them but the
>corvette alone will attract undue attentions from would be assailants
>
>Suggestion 3: Be Nice
>
>
>
>On 11 Dec 1998 06:33:09 PST, "C5-Motorsport" <holdi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Suggestion 1: Gun! (but if you pull it out USE it!)
>>Suggestion 2: Never carry cash (all CC)
>>Suggestion 3: Take CW with you, he will piss off anyone and they will go
>>away
Colt Pocket Lite is very small and light. To be used as a last
resort. There are plenty of people who will take exception (although
those close to you may never know). Remember, you can only count on
yourself in a pinch.
----------------------
Sean Casey
r2...@pacbell.net (To reply, remove "r2")
r2sean...@ey.com
> remove r2
wrote:
>shooting someone without a permit will just create too many
>problems.
True, but at least you will be alive to have those problems.
Robert M. Kreidler
>
Caliber is too small.
> The S&W sigma 380 is a nice gun to carry for self defense for $300 or less
>
> --
> =====
> Charles
> 98 C5Motorsport
>
> C5Motorsport
> 914-690-0998
> Rye Brook, NY
> http://www.masternetinc.com/c5motor/
> Home of the 200 MPH C5
> ====
> C5-Motorsport wrote in message <74soqq$4...@journal.concentric.net>...
> >9 mm. X21
> >Very precise, I love it. It's the only daily "wear", for home (wife) I have
> >a Norinko.
> >
> >--
> >=====
> >Charles
> >98 C5Motorsport
> >
> >C5Motorsport
> >914-690-0998
> >Rye Brook, NY
> >http://www.masternetinc.com/c5motor/
> >Home of the 200 MPH C5
> >====
> >Robert M. Kreidler wrote in message <3671E5A4...@mail.sunlink.net>...
> >>What caliber is that?
> >>
> >>C5-Motorsport wrote:
> >>
> >>> PS, I forgot, my choice is Beretta 98FS.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> =====
> >>> Charles
> >>> 98 C5Motorsport
> >>>
> >>> C5Motorsport
> >>> 914-690-0998
> >>> Rye Brook, NY
> >>> http://www.masternetinc.com/c5motor/
> >>> Home of the 200 MPH C5
> >>> ====
Robert M. Kreidler
>
I have a weird old gun, a CZ-52 that was a redone 9X19, that I
rechambered to 9X23 Winchester. Works OK. I may get a Glock 32 in .357
SIG.
Robert M. Kreidler
>
> My dream gun:
>
Nice gun. You can get the trigger lower that 4-4 1/2, especially with a
lightened trigger. Both my .45s go 3 1/4-3 1/2 and don't follow, with a
mag in place. I'm doing a ghost ring on the old Czech, to see if I like
it. To be precise, a ghost ring rear with a tritium shotgun front sight.
I am going to do a dovetail front, and then drill and tap it for the
screw-in shotgun sight. The rear is already fabbed and on. It sticks up
a bit, but I guess one could reason that it makes jam clearing drills
easier.(g)
> Colt M1991A1
>
> Novak Lo-Mount rear sight and dovetail front
> Trijicon tritium inserts
> Kart match barrel and bushing fitted
> Full length guide rod
> Flaired ejection port
> Extended ejector
> Wilson beavertail fitted and recontoured
> Ed Brown tactical thumb safety
> Area behind triggerguard relieved for hi grip
> Frontstrap checkered 30 L.P.I.
> ACP custom mainspring housing
> Videki trigger installed
> Ed Brown hammer
> Trigger job of 4 to 4 1/2 pounds
> Wolff springs
> Bevel mag well fully
> Dehorn all edges off gun
> Gun refinished in Roguard
> Rosewood grips
>
> Now that's a REAL gun!
>
> --
> =====
> Charles
> 98 C5Motorsport
>
> C5Motorsport
> 914-690-0998
> Rye Brook, NY
> http://www.masternetinc.com/c5motor/
> Home of the 200 MPH C5
> ====
> Charles L. Cotton wrote in message <74sirg$g...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>...
> >g...@mindspring.com wrote in message
> ><3671842b...@nntp.mindspring.com>...
> >>
> >>Suggestion 1: ? what is the best firearm for this?
> >
> >This will vary with the individual. As a general rule, if you are willing
> >to practice to stay both safe and proficient, there is no better combat
> >handgun than a Colt .45 ACP IMHO, or one of the good 1911 clones. The 1911
> >style trigger is not for the novice. If you won't practice often, or don't
> >have the time, pick either a double-action-only automatic, or a revolver.
> >
> >> what is best place to keep it in the auto?
> >
> >Not in the car, on your person in a strong-side belt holster, like the
> Galco
> >Concealable. There are many other excellent belt holsters. I wear a Colt
> >Commander .45 ACP in a Galco Concealable and the seat belt in my '94 Vette
> >is not a problem. My son carries the exact same rig, but the seat belt in
> >his Mustang GT covers the grip.
> >
> >>what defensive tactics are best when faced with armed >attacker ?
> >
--
vette...@nospam.usa.net
Tested it on my brother and man does this stuff works.
:) ^ (by accident that is)
g...@mindspring.com schreef in artikel
<3677fdec...@nntp.mindspring.com>...
C5-Motorsport
chinese gun and my wife better not use, she can shoot the wrong person. At
the range she managed to shoot the wrong target.... For that.... it's more
than enough.
The 98FS is military issue, I love the gun but I messed up one thing, I
purchased a laser pointer (trigger guard mounted) and at times I have a
problems with my nuckle...
--
=====
Charles
98 C5Motorsport
C5Motorsport
914-690-0998
Rye Brook, NY
http://www.masternetinc.com/c5motor/
Home of the 200 MPH C5
====
g...@mindspring.com wrote in message
<367b0246...@nntp.mindspring.com>...
>Now That What I Call A "Bad Ass Gun "
>
>you have great taste in firearms
>
>like both the S&W and Beretta 98FS.( is that the same as the military
issue as a side arm? )
>
>but i'm not sure about Norinko.
>
>
>see my follow up about misc. gun ngs i posted a similar question to
>paul
>g...@mindspring.com
>
>
>
>"C5-Motorsport"
>
>Wrote
>
>
>>My dream gun:
>>
C5-Motorsport
guys body and drive trough it after the carjacking attempt is over...
--
=====
Charles
98 C5Motorsport
C5Motorsport
914-690-0998
Rye Brook, NY
http://www.masternetinc.com/c5motor/
Home of the 200 MPH C5
====
Robert M. Kreidler wrote in message <367216...@mail.sunlink.net>...
>C5-Motorsport wrote:
>>
> Caliber is too small.
>
>> The S&W sigma 380 is a nice gun to carry for self defense for $300 or
less
>>
>> --
>> =====
>> Charles
>> 98 C5Motorsport
>>
>> C5Motorsport
>> 914-690-0998
>> Rye Brook, NY
>> http://www.masternetinc.com/c5motor/
>> Home of the 200 MPH C5
>> ====
>> C5-Motorsport wrote in message <74soqq$4...@journal.concentric.net>...
>> >9 mm. X21
>> >Very precise, I love it. It's the only daily "wear", for home (wife) I
have
>> >a Norinko.
>> >
>> >--
>> >=====
>> >Charles
>> >98 C5Motorsport
>> >
>> >C5Motorsport
>> >914-690-0998
>> >Rye Brook, NY
>> >http://www.masternetinc.com/c5motor/
>> >Home of the 200 MPH C5
>> >====
>> >Robert M. Kreidler wrote in message
<3671E5A4...@mail.sunlink.net>...
>> >>What caliber is that?
>> >>
>> >>C5-Motorsport wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> PS, I forgot, my choice is Beretta 98FS.
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> =====
>> >>> Charles
>> >>> 98 C5Motorsport
>> >>>
>> >>> C5Motorsport
>> >>> 914-690-0998
>> >>> Rye Brook, NY
>> >>> http://www.masternetinc.com/c5motor/
>> >>> Home of the 200 MPH C5
>> >>> ====
Corpse
>
> My dream gun:
>
> Colt M1991A1
>
> Novak Lo-Mount rear sight and dovetail front
> Trijicon tritium inserts
> Kart match barrel and bushing fitted
> Full length guide rod
> Flaired ejection port
> Extended ejector
> Wilson beavertail fitted and recontoured
> Ed Brown tactical thumb safety
> Area behind triggerguard relieved for hi grip
> Frontstrap checkered 30 L.P.I.
> ACP custom mainspring housing
> Videki trigger installed
> Ed Brown hammer
> Trigger job of 4 to 4 1/2 pounds
> Wolff springs
> Bevel mag well fully
> Dehorn all edges off gun
> Gun refinished in Roguard
> Rosewood grips
>
> Now that's a REAL gun!
>
> =====
> Charles
> 98 C5Motorsport
Charles,
Do you own this gun? NICE! Did you mention in a follow up post that
your wife uses it? Is this the kind of gun you carry or is this more of
a collectors gun?
--
CORPSE
Please remove **non-spam** from my address when replying
I'd rather die on my feet
Than live on my knees...
Robert M. Kreidler
>
There is a truism, that no one who was ever in a gunfight wished for a
smaller gun.(g)
FWIW, my ex-wife, all 5'0" if her(g) carried a Star PD, and sometimes a
Colt Cobra. I could never shoot either of these guns worth a damn, but
she did well enough. She carried 185 Silvertips in the PD, although now
I would look at Federal's "defense ammo" with a 165. She was not
muscular, nor did she have extremely strong hands. My hands are kinda
sad, too, for that matter. I've already had the carpal tunnel operation
on both hands.
My .357 hunting load pushes a 165 cast bullet out of a 4" barrel at
1325, 1450 out of my 8" barrel hunting revolver. It was just a bit too
much for her, even out of her old light barrel Security Six. She said
that it numbed her hand. However, a handload with a 125 at 1250 was
fine, and she shot it well. Her Cobra load was a 148 hollow base loaded
base forward, over 4.0 gr. Dupont 700-X. Clean, low flash, and the
bullet did expand.
I think that we big hairy-chested men think that "the little woman"
can't handle a real defensive handgun. This attitude goes away after one
of the fair sex shoots our socks off with some damn cannon.(g) Been
there . . .
> It's a 9 mm. I think, that's enough unless you need to make a tunnel in the
> guys body and drive trough it after the carjacking attempt is over...
>
> --
> =====
> Charles
> 98 C5Motorsport
>
> C5Motorsport
> 914-690-0998
> Rye Brook, NY
> http://www.masternetinc.com/c5motor/
> Home of the 200 MPH C5
> ====
> Robert M. Kreidler wrote in message <367216...@mail.sunlink.net>...
> >C5-Motorsport wrote:
> >>
> > Caliber is too small.
> >
> >> The S&W sigma 380 is a nice gun to carry for self defense for $300 or
> less
> >>
> >> --
> >> =====
> >> Charles
> >> 98 C5Motorsport
> >>
> >> C5Motorsport
> >> 914-690-0998
> >> Rye Brook, NY
> >> http://www.masternetinc.com/c5motor/
> >> Home of the 200 MPH C5
> >> ====
> >> C5-Motorsport wrote in message <74soqq$4...@journal.concentric.net>...
> >> >9 mm. X21
> >> >Very precise, I love it. It's the only daily "wear", for home (wife) I
> have
> >> >a Norinko.
> >> >
> >> >--
> >> >=====
> >> >Charles
> >> >98 C5Motorsport
> >> >
> >> >C5Motorsport
> >> >914-690-0998
> >> >Rye Brook, NY
> >> >http://www.masternetinc.com/c5motor/
> >> >Home of the 200 MPH C5
> >> >====
> >> >Robert M. Kreidler wrote in message
> <3671E5A4...@mail.sunlink.net>...
> >> >>What caliber is that?
> >> >>
> >> >>C5-Motorsport wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> PS, I forgot, my choice is Beretta 98FS.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> --
> >> >>> =====
> >> >>> Charles
> >> >>> 98 C5Motorsport
> >> >>>
Robert M. Kreidler
>
> BTW, correction it's Norinco with a C not a K, I made a mistake. It's a
> chinese gun and my wife better not use, she can shoot the wrong person. At
> the range she managed to shoot the wrong target.... For that.... it's more
> than enough.
>
> The 98FS is military issue, I love the gun but I messed up one thing, I
> purchased a laser pointer (trigger guard mounted) and at times I have a
> problems with my nuckle...
>
it off. It turned a decent-handling gun into a clumsy piece, and I never
did get a holster for that setup. The laser was next to invisible in the
daytime. I thought about digging the laser out of the drawer, and
putting it on a shotgun, but probably not. IMO, a tritium sight, even if
only on the front, is all you need. I haven't tried the tritium while
using a night vision scope, but I can tell you that the laser blooms out
the starlight scope, bad! Click it on something, even some distance
away, and you end up with a bright area on the scope that does not fade
for some time.
Night vision is a ball, if you live in the country! On a full moon
night, all you have to do it power up the scope every 15-20 minutes, and
it stays bright. It's fun to watch Deer at night. I thought about spying
on the Coyotes, but that might make them nervous.
Hmm. Just had a thought. How about carrying an extremely powerful light
in the car, to blind the potential robber/carjacker? Might give you time
to follow up with some other strategies.
> --
> =====
> Charles
> 98 C5Motorsport
>
> C5Motorsport
> 914-690-0998
> Rye Brook, NY
> http://www.masternetinc.com/c5motor/
> Home of the 200 MPH C5
> ====
> g...@mindspring.com wrote in message
> <367b0246...@nntp.mindspring.com>...
> >Now That What I Call A "Bad Ass Gun "
> >
> >you have great taste in firearms
> >
> >like both the S&W and Beretta 98FS.( is that the same as the military
> issue as a side arm? )
> >
> >but i'm not sure about Norinko.
> >
> >
> >see my follow up about misc. gun ngs i posted a similar question to
> >paul
> >g...@mindspring.com
> >
> >
> >
> >"C5-Motorsport"
> >
> >Wrote
> >
> >
> >>My dream gun:
> >>
> >>Colt M1991A1
> >>
> >>Novak Lo-Mount rear sight and dovetail front
> >>Trijicon tritium inserts
> >>Kart match barrel and bushing fitted
> >>Full length guide rod
> >>Flaired ejection port
> >>Extended ejector
> >>Wilson beavertail fitted and recontoured
> >>Ed Brown tactical thumb safety
> >>Area behind triggerguard relieved for hi grip
> >>Frontstrap checkered 30 L.P.I.
> >>ACP custom mainspring housing
> >>Videki trigger installed
> >>Ed Brown hammer
> >>Trigger job of 4 to 4 1/2 pounds
> >>Wolff springs
> >>Bevel mag well fully
> >>Dehorn all edges off gun
> >>Gun refinished in Roguard
> >>Rosewood grips
> >>
> >>Now that's a REAL gun!
> >
--
Robert M. Kreidler
>
The problem is outdoor use. If there is wind, it might come back on
you. I can have fantasies about flashbang grenades, though.(g) Walter
Mitty to the rescue!
--
Terry Sparks
Speaking of anti-carjacking devices, did any of you see 20/20 on Friday night? They had a
segment that talked about an actual flamethrower-like device that mounts under the edge of
the car on the driver's side, right under the door. You hot a button inside your car and
the hijacker gets toasted. They had mannequins set up to demonstrate the device, and it
fried them totally. Of course, the hijacker is supposed to run like hell, not just stand
there and get burned alive. But it was very effective, and the last word on the feature
said "Don't expect this device to become legal to use in the United States".
Sure got the point across though.
TS
DanSN
it, slam open your door and surprise em. This would only work if they are
close enough, of course. Then, if you carry a 4 to 5 "D-Cell" maglight like
I do, (they make a great bludgeon) club the jacker like a baby harp seal.
You could always have some sort of kill switch hidden, but in reach, that
disables the electricity.
Disclaimer: Author does not club baby harp seals. No harp seals were harmed
during the writing of this post.
--
Dan SN
*Please do not respond via email. Thanks.
C5-Motorsport wrote in message <74raf5$8...@chronicle.concentric.net>...
>Suggestion 1: Gun! (but if you pull it out USE it!)
>Suggestion 2: Never carry cash (all CC)
>Suggestion 3: Take CW with you, he will piss off anyone and they will go
>away
>--
>=====
>Charles
>98 C5Motorsport
>
>C5Motorsport
>914-690-0998
>Rye Brook, NY
>http://www.masternetinc.com/c5motor/
>Home of the 200 MPH C5
>====
>g...@mindspring.com wrote in message
><3671a475....@nntp.mindspring.com>...
>>i drive quite often at all times of the day and night with top out what
>safety tips might some of
>>you employ to remain safe in regards to car jacking, robbery etc ?
>>I live in Central Fl. area so the weather is very conducive to open air
>driving but like any good
>>size city crime is fairly common place.
>>
>>for example i try never to get boxed in at a traffic light / i leave
about
>2 1/2 car lengths ahead
>>of me when i stop.
>>
>>also i avoid stopping at quick mart type stores late at night
>>
>>your ideas are appreciated thank you in advance
>>
>>Paul
>>g...@mindspring.com
>>
>
>
DanSN
C5-Motorsport wrote in message <74ttvc$4...@journal.concentric.net>...
>It's a 9 mm. I think, that's enough unless you need to make a tunnel in
the
>guys body and drive trough it after the carjacking attempt is over...
>
That's what a Para-Ordinance 45 is for.
unick
someone or someone flaming you. I think you are the only person here that gets
any shit.
unick
unick
unick
C5-Motorsport
POS.
I have a Beretta 98FS for myself.
--
=====
Charles
98 C5Motorsport
C5Motorsport
914-690-0998
Rye Brook, NY
http://www.masternetinc.com/c5motor/
Home of the 200 MPH C5
====
Corpse <**non-spam**cor...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
<367285...@ix.netcom.com>...
>C5-Motorsport wrote:
>>
>> My dream gun:
>>
>> Colt M1991A1
>>
>> Novak Lo-Mount rear sight and dovetail front
>> Trijicon tritium inserts
>> Kart match barrel and bushing fitted
>> Full length guide rod
>> Flaired ejection port
>> Extended ejector
>> Wilson beavertail fitted and recontoured
>> Ed Brown tactical thumb safety
>> Area behind triggerguard relieved for hi grip
>> Frontstrap checkered 30 L.P.I.
>> ACP custom mainspring housing
>> Videki trigger installed
>> Ed Brown hammer
>> Trigger job of 4 to 4 1/2 pounds
>> Wolff springs
>> Bevel mag well fully
>> Dehorn all edges off gun
>> Gun refinished in Roguard
>> Rosewood grips
>>
>> Now that's a REAL gun!
>>
>> --
>> =====
>> Charles
>> 98 C5Motorsport
>
>
Corpse
>
> No, I said it's sdream gun, I don't own it. My wife has a Norinco, chinese
> POS.
> I have a Beretta 98FS for myself.
>
Oh, too bad! But why did you choose trijicon tritium inserts on your
dream gun? Sounds like an odd choice... also, I wouldn't use the
Videki trigger, for obvious reasons, but I guess it's your dream gun, so
you can choose to add whatever you want! Have you had good experiences
with the videki?
Gary - KJ6Q
Corpse <**non-spam**cor...@ix.netcom.com> wrote
>
>I'd rather die on my feet
>Than live on my knees...
HMMMm - anyone ever point out that sounds like a Monica Lewenski quote?
8^)
Gary - KJ6Q
hpetros
south africa had a good idea...........
2 small pipes protruding couple of inches
from under carriage where doors are which
are fed with some form of gas so when
someone attempts such a thing, u raise your
hands as if to give up and then u press a pedal
or something which shoots up this giant flame
about ten feet high and burns the person
neccessity is the mother of invention???
Corpse
he he.. yeah, I think it's time for a sig change... 200 MPH Vette is
taken, though...
--
CORPSE
Please remove **non-spam** from my address when replying
I'd rather die on my feet
C5-Motorsport
sitting in my vette. .... I should live in TX
--
=====
Charles
98 C5Motorsport
C5Motorsport
914-690-0998
Rye Brook, NY
http://www.masternetinc.com/c5motor/
Home of the 200 MPH C5
====
Corpse <**non-spam**cor...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
Maurice Huffman
the seat belt, near my wallet. The gun is cheap ($80) and has no long range (above ten feet) accuracy.
I figure if it gets stolen or confiscated, no big loss (better than losing my Ruger .357). Its easily
concealable, and holds a whopping six rounds. The guy who sold it to me of course insisted I should get
something larger and more expensive, but I told him that at point blank, a carjacker taking six shots,
would fall down at least once. He had no reply to that. On a last note, the police dont have to know a
gun you used was concealed, they obviously were not around if you had to use it.
Safe driving and happy hunting!
Maurice
Black '72 LT1
Bing wrote:
> g...@mindspring.com wrote:
> >
> > your advice on the revolver seems great but i'm still not sure where the best place to keep it in
> > the car ( corvette have limited choices) so its concealed yet accessible knowing that unfortunately
> > the bad guy generally gets the drop on you and has adrenaline on his side
> >
> > paul
> > gnn@mindspring
> >
> > "Robert M. Kreidler" <krei...@mail.sunlink.net> wrote:
> >
> snip some quote
>
> Carry the gun in a small of the back holster - if the guy wants your
> wallet, you can get the gun instead and you win. BUT, if he's holding a
> gun on you at the time, best advice is to give him what he wants and cut
> your losses. I would definitely recommend getting a carry permit if
> possible. If you shoot someone, even in self defense, with an illegal
> weapon ( carried concealed w/o permit, FI ), you WILL get some kind of
> comeuppance, whether it be criminal law or civil law.
>
george reedy
Back (SOBs) from Uncle Mikes. Just clip the belt clip over the metal
frame rail that surrounds the bottom of seat and away you go. My wife
carries a Ruger SP-101 there and I carry a Para-Ordnance P-12 . Good
location, easy to get to and almost out of sight. If worried, about
the gun getting stollen when parked, throw it under the seat or stick
it in you jacket.
That Ruger has saved my wife's life once.
Praise Be, I have never had to draw a gun on anyone. Hope it stays
that way.
So if you have any PC statements, put them on a card and stick the
card in the mail to the big cheese and his wife. They feal your pain
and want to help!!!!!!
Bart and Jan Reedy
2 x 95 = 357+45
Paul
http://cnn.com/WORLD/africa/9812/11/flame.thrower.car/
Terry Sparks
> car flame thrower - anti-car jacking device
>
> http://cnn.com/WORLD/africa/9812/11/flame.thrower.car/
Yep - that's the one that 20-20 did a news story about the other night.
TS
rg1*n...@icanect.net
:>
:> your ideas are appreciated thank you in advance
:>
:> Paul
:> g...@mindspring.com
: Carry a 45 and shoot the basterd. Fl is a concealed carry state right?
I think this is the best suggestion....you can also install a fuel cut off
switch so they cant get too far if they do car jack you and you cant reach for
your piece in time....then....when the car stalls....go back and shoot em
Rob aka dirty harry :)
atal...@my-dejanews.com
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hell on the paint and fiberglass
Paul wrote in message <755rq8$jgj$1...@clarknet.clark.net>...
Zapper7777
>auto? /
>what defensive tactics are best when faced with armed attacker ?
And no one has mentioned a Glock? I use the compact frame 40s&w-- compact,
easy to use, proven, black and plastic, like my vette.
Although, the earlier mentioned Norinco 1911 45 is a great weapon. Although no
Colt, Its cheap and has major firepower. A good mix of "shot gun" loads, then
talons for the final answer.
Pepper spray is good, so is a a length of heavy wire, chain, large wrench or
plain pipe should be kept handy. Cheap, disposable and lethal.
Most of all, trust your senses, be ready, and show your serious. Druggies and
drunks will never back off, so hit first and hit hard and leave.
~~live for today and get it over with~~
black 98 north*/black 93 c4
almost black 95 FXSTS
happy trails,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
ol...@ddb.com
g...@mindspring.com wrote:
>
> Suggestion 1: ? what is the best firearm for this?/ what is best place to
keep it in the auto? /
> what defensive tactics are best when faced with armed attacker ?
I would recommend a revolver, either a .38spl or 44spl.
The reasoning is simple...firing from a car means that you may be in an
uncomfortable position. A revolver will not jam from limpwristing, will not
eject brass that can bounce into your face and can be used equally well with
either hand. I'd go with slow+heavy rounds as the report would damage your
hearing less and the round would likely be more effective than a fast+light
one...in a short barrel.
--
http://ddb.com/olegv & http://ddb.com/RKBA
NEW photos Dec.30
Charles
and I will keep using them. To all of those using semi-autos please buy GOOD
ammo, cheap ammos will jam (CCI Blazers are really bad). I like Speer Lawman
(police use). It may sound funny but a Lady Wesson would make a good choice
for a small Revolver. I would much rather have a Taurus Raging Bull 44 mag
http://www.taurususa.com/446pix/2guns.gif
... That's a revolver..
If you are really pissed try a Desert Eagle .50.... that will stop the
carjacker.
Ammos ARE VERY IMPORTANT on semi-autos especially when your life is on the
line.
Charles
ol...@ddb.com wrote in message <76gp5c$bh8$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
DRL
DRL
Charles
DRL wrote in message <368C03B3...@primenet.com>...
Please let me take some insurance out on you first before you do this. Is your car worth more than your life? Anybody who wants to carjack you isn't going to stand there and let you reach for a revolver. The best thing to do is get a satellite navigational alarm set up that you can REMOTELY activate if the car is stolen. Teltrack and LoJack come to mind and there are others as well. Expect to spend about $500-$1000 plus monthly maintenance. But hey, it's your car and your life...don't let me influence your decision to play Dirty Harry.
DRL
This comment comes in amoment in which you can really tell how much I love my cars. My wife just *(&&*^d up my Audi, just the way I looked at her made her go directly to her bedroom and cried... she is still doing that.
A few months ago she dropped something on the hood of my Vette and made a very tiny scratch... my neghibor was there and after this happened he just ran away before my wife told me. in the office it's considered a disgrace to park next to me....
I will not let anyone take my Vette.
I just walked upstairs to hug my wife....
But I still love my cars. When the car wash guy was drying my car and he dropped the towel then picked it up and tried to continue drying I coursed across the detailing shop..... boy I got his attention. Not to mention when I walk out of the mall and find someone acting funny near my car....
In order:
My Son
My mom and Dad
My wife (just promoted)
MY CARS, boats etc.
People in need
Money
Charles
Have a happy new year!
Larry
Robert M. Kreidler
>
Man, what you smokin'?(g) Ever fire a gun from inside a car? Try it
sometime. Try it WITH hearing protection, so you don't go around saying
"Huh?" for the rest of your life. Even with muffs, it just ain't
something you're gonna do twice, for fun. Did it with a 6MM Remington,
but only once.
> Still like the Street Sweeper!
--
Bob K
a.k.a. kreidler at mail-sunlink-net
Robert M. Kreidler
>
>
>
>
> DRL wrote in message <368C03B3...@primenet.com>...
> Please let me take some insurance out on you first before
> you do this. Is your car worth more than your life?
> Anybody who wants to carjack you isn't going to stand there
> and let you reach for a revolver. The best thing to do is
> get a satellite navigational alarm set up that you can
> REMOTELY activate if the car is stolen. Teltrack and LoJack
> come to mind and there are others as well. Expect to spend
> about $500-$1000 plus monthly maintenance. But hey, it's
> your car and your life...don't let me influence your
> decision to play Dirty Harry.
>
> DRL
>
>
>
>
>
> This comment comes in amoment in which you can really tell
> how much I love my cars. My wife just *(&&*^d up my Audi,
> just the way I looked at her made her go directly to her
> bedroom and cried... she is still doing that.
>
> A few months ago she dropped something on the hood of my
> Vette and made a very tiny scratch... my neghibor was there
> and after this happened he just ran away before my wife told
> me. in the office it's considered a disgrace to park next to
> me....
>
> I will not let anyone take my Vette.
>
> I just walked upstairs to hug my wife....
>
>
> But I still love my cars. When the car wash guy was drying
> my car and he dropped the towel then picked it up and tried
> to continue drying I coursed across the detailing shop.....
> boy I got his attention. Not to mention when I walk out of
> the mall and find someone acting funny near my car....
>
>
That's what the marriage vows mean to me. I place her before all others,
and put away those things of my childhood, not in a locked cabinet, but
further down on the list. Next, my son. My parents are both dead, but
they lived long lives. As for possessions, they come tied for last with
the money. I can always make more money, and buy more things. I would
give you my shirt, if you needed it right then, regardless of how much
money each of us have, for true need must be addressed NOW; tomorrow may
be too late. These are my beliefs. Do not take this as criticism of your
beliefs. I am merely showing you a different way.
>
> In order:
>
> My Son
>
> My mom and Dad
>
> My wife (just promoted)
>
> MY CARS, boats etc.
>
> People in need
>
> Money
>
> Charles
>
> Have a happy new year!
And I wish you and yours a Happy New Year, also!
Charles
I actually think that we said pretty much the same thing.
My reserve about the wife in 3rd position is that.... My mom and dad are
always the people that raised me and took good care of me, if something goes
wrong I always have a shoulder there.
My son is my own blood, my pride and joy and no matter what happens he will
always be my son.
My wife.... well, I am happy you have such a great marriage.... But it
doesn't always work that way. The day "a wife" decides to leave for someone
else and takes everything including your underwears you move her very low on
the list... I really love my wife but....
People in need actually do come before my cars... thinking about it. I too
will take my shirt off to help (friend or not).
In a moment of pure madness I can really flip if a car/boat is violated but
when I get rational again I say what the heck.... they can fix it.
Money is the only comodity used to trade at the supermarket...
Charles
Robert M. Kreidler wrote in message <368C21...@mail.sunlink.net>...
>Charles wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> DRL wrote in message <368C03B3...@primenet.com>...
>> Please let me take some insurance out on you first before
>> you do this. Is your car worth more than your life?
>> Anybody who wants to carjack you isn't going to stand there
>> and let you reach for a revolver. The best thing to do is
>> get a satellite navigational alarm set up that you can
>> REMOTELY activate if the car is stolen. Teltrack and LoJack
>> come to mind and there are others as well. Expect to spend
>> about $500-$1000 plus monthly maintenance. But hey, it's
>> your car and your life...don't let me influence your
>> decision to play Dirty Harry.
>>
>> DRL
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> This comment comes in amoment in which you can really tell
>> how much I love my cars. My wife just *(&&*^d up my Audi,
>> just the way I looked at her made her go directly to her
>> bedroom and cried... she is still doing that.
>>
>> A few months ago she dropped something on the hood of my
>> Vette and made a very tiny scratch... my neghibor was there
>> and after this happened he just ran away before my wife told
>> me. in the office it's considered a disgrace to park next to
>> me....
>>
>> I will not let anyone take my Vette.
>>
>> I just walked upstairs to hug my wife....
>>
> Well, that's more like it.
>>
>>
>> But I still love my cars. When the car wash guy was drying
>> my car and he dropped the towel then picked it up and tried
>> to continue drying I coursed across the detailing shop.....
>> boy I got his attention. Not to mention when I walk out of
>> the mall and find someone acting funny near my car....
>>
>>
> We're going to have to disagree on the order. To me, wife is first.
>That's what the marriage vows mean to me. I place her before all others,
>and put away those things of my childhood, not in a locked cabinet, but
>further down on the list. Next, my son. My parents are both dead, but
>they lived long lives. As for possessions, they come tied for last with
>the money. I can always make more money, and buy more things. I would
>give you my shirt, if you needed it right then, regardless of how much
>money each of us have, for true need must be addressed NOW; tomorrow may
>be too late. These are my beliefs. Do not take this as criticism of your
>beliefs. I am merely showing you a different way.
>
>>
>> In order:
>>
>> My Son
>>
>> My mom and Dad
>>
>> My wife (just promoted)
>>
>> MY CARS, boats etc.
>>
>> People in need
>>
>> Money
>>
>> Charles
>>
>> Have a happy new year!
>
Steve Judd
(and your lap). :-)
Steve
99 all-black rag
(remove "-nospam-" from mail address to e-mail me)
Robert M. Kreidler <krei...@mail.sunlink.net> wrote in message
368C1E...@mail.sunlink.net...
>Larry wrote:
>>
> Man, what you smokin'?(g) Ever fire a gun from inside a car? Try it
>sometime. Try it WITH hearing protection, so you don't go around saying
>"Huh?" for the rest of your life. Even with muffs, it just ain't
>something you're gonna do twice, for fun. Did it with a 6MM Remington,
>but only once.
>
>> Still like the Street Sweeper!
>
3DfxCOOL
not shoot that thing right so I sold it. Good gun as far as feeding but it
just kept slipping around in my hand a bit so my groups sucked. I think
maybe my hands were just not designed to fit well on the Beretta style
frame. If you're interested you can see my current collection here,
http://www.isomedia.com/homes/bartlane/guns.htm
--
Bart A. Lane
fa...@3dfxcool.com
3DfxCOOL / High Quality Computer Cooling Fans
http://www.3dfxcool.com
Charles wrote in message <76gsen$8...@journal.concentric.net>...
Charles
That was one very true statment, I can handle a Beretta 92/98 Taurus PT92/99
frame very well but I vave a problem with the Sig229. It must really be the
hand design...
I got the Taurus as a Xmas gift to myself (with the BMW). You have a quite
sizeable collection and one real pearl the AR15... I am looking right now at
a Bushmaster... but the pre-ban I like runs pretty expensive...
I have a Winchester 1300 stainless in the office (love it!!!) and I use a
Ruger 10/22 International at the range a lot... My wife got from her uncle a
Norinco. The other toy I am looking for and I am going crazy is the Ruger
PC9 carabine.... it's really sweet! It's sold out everywhere. I don't find
CorBon that great, I use only Sellier and Bellot at the range and Speer
Lawman as daily load. 9 mm. 115 gr.
For unwanted guests home I use the Winchester 1300 with SuperX deer slugs...
they work good at the 1st shot.
How much did you unload for the AR15 there?
Have a nice 1999!
Charles
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around because shot will usually stop in the wall. Maybe a folding stock
stainless pump.
Norincos can be super cool if you let a smith go at 'em. They need some
fine tuning and polishing but I have seen some really nice match pistols
made from them. (I take it you meant the Norinco 1911, they make many
others too. Hard to get since the Chinese import ban and prices aren't
nearly as good as what they used to be.)
I bought the AR15 about six months after the slime bill so prices weren't
outrageous for such features as flash guard, folding stock, and front grip.
I got it for $1200 at a great local gun shop that sells weapons for about
80% of what all other shops around here do. Gun Town in Lynnwood
Washington. With the Red Dot scope zeroed properly (it drifts something
fierce but they all do.) I can shoot a quarter at 50 yards even with the
short barrel. I keep this next to my bed along with one of my auto pistols
but I really think I would go for the Sig if I heard an intruder because it,
and the Glock, are the only weapons I trust 110% neither has ever jammed on
me and I shoot the piss out of them. Also, something about a long gun in a
confined battle environment really irks me. I can just see somebody
grabbing the barrel as I round a corner and then I'm screwed. Every expert
you talk to will say to grab the AR15 but I am just not comfortable with it
like a pistol. (Unless I'm outdoors and have some space.) Every year I go
to a great defense school here in Washington called InSights Training Center
( http://www.insightstraining.com/ ) Great school, I learn more every time
I go.
Sorry to ramble.
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Charles wrote in message <76hc40$n...@journal.concentric.net>...
Charles
the pocket as well. I only had to get up in the middle of the night a few
times and shot 5 rounds (12 g deer slugs) 1 in the air.... The moron decided
to try attacking me even after he heard the pump action.... He had a
knife... he got the message and dropped everything .... he waited for the
police quietly while 3 feet away from the barrel. 2 shots in the wall and 1
in a car. 1 in the leg. That was a group of guys attemting to steal my car
last year... i moved after. I am very happy with the Winchester 1300, they
are not too expensive and I get to use it for deer hunting. SuperX is my
load of choice there.
Charles
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finished with shooting out in the country, and had a .44 mag. got to talking
with my still current friend in my car, We were talking guns and accuracyand
triggers and shit, I idely pulled out that .44 8-3/8 .44 and emptied the
rounds, all except one....and put the cylinder hometo dry fire it, aiming more
or less at the tranny tunnel...
Friend Larry , with a MOST POINTED edge to his voice, intoned....'Don't pull
that trigger'.......Yup one up and ready in sequence.....
It would have been a VERY VERY LONG HIKE through
HELL, being blamed for every step of the way.....much less buying a new
car......
Happy New Year everyone.....keep shiney sides up, the alternatives are rather
unpleasant....
GENE
Robert M. Kreidler wrote:
>
> Larry wrote:
> >
> Man, what you smokin'?(g) Ever fire a gun from inside a car? Try it
> sometime. Try it WITH hearing protection, so you don't go around saying
> "Huh?" for the rest of your life. Even with muffs, it just ain't
> something you're gonna do twice, for fun. Did it with a 6MM Remington,
> but only once.
>
> > Still like the Street Sweeper!
>
> --
>
> Bob K
> a.k.a. kreidler at mail-sunlink-net
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>
> I use the shootgun for home security (same reason) but have the Beretta in
> the pocket as well. I only had to get up in the middle of the night a few
> times and shot 5 rounds (12 g deer slugs) 1 in the air.... The moron decided
> to try attacking me even after he heard the pump action.... He had a
> knife... he got the message and dropped everything .... he waited for the
> police quietly while 3 feet away from the barrel. 2 shots in the wall and 1
> in a car. 1 in the leg. That was a group of guys attemting to steal my car
> last year... i moved after. I am very happy with the Winchester 1300, they
> are not too expensive and I get to use it for deer hunting. SuperX is my
> load of choice there.
>
> Charles
>
Hi Charles,
I am not coming to visit you.
Regards,
CORPSE :O
Nessun maggior dolore,
Che ricordarsi del tempo felice
Nella miseria...
Bing
Corpse
>
> GO TO BED CORPSE!!! IT'S 12:16!
No it's not!! it's 4:16 here in NY!! I'm busy writing a long post
you'll see momentarily! Probably no sleep at all tonight!
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Charles wrote in message <76hfb2$p...@journal.concentric.net>...
Robert M. Kreidler
>
> Robert:
>
> I actually think that we said pretty much the same thing.
>
> My reserve about the wife in 3rd position is that.... My mom and dad are
> always the people that raised me and took good care of me, if something goes
> wrong I always have a shoulder there.
>
And I always did.
> My son is my own blood, my pride and joy and no matter what happens he will
> always be my son.
>
Yes. They are our one sure way of living in the future.
> My wife.... well, I am happy you have such a great marriage.... But it
> doesn't always work that way. The day "a wife" decides to leave for someone
> else and takes everything including your underwears you move her very low on
> the list... I really love my wife but....
>
Oh, shit, I'm not even married!(g) Have been, twice. They're both good
people. My first ex-wife was with my Mother when Mom had her
next-to-final heart attack. Was going to possibly be my dog obedience
instructor, too, but I think she ran into a time conflict. When I called
my second ex-wife yesterday, I said, "Hi, radical femlibber!" We agree
and also disagree on many things, but she's probably my best friend.
Mensa-qualified (she let her membership lapse), she can point out my
bullshit to me, even when I miss it.(g) I love them both dearly,
wouldn't want to live with either.
> People in need actually do come before my cars... thinking about it. I too
> will take my shirt off to help (friend or not).
>
Good man!
> In a moment of pure madness I can really flip if a car/boat is violated but
> when I get rational again I say what the heck.... they can fix it.
>
Yeah, I know. I have an awful temper, even at my age, but it's starting
to trigger less frequently. I had a hell of a day, yesterday. I had
ordered a set of Dunlop Sport 8000s from a Sears store, and they came in
early. So, I yanked the wheels off the Vette, and went down. I had a
little itinerary planned, but that went to hell when the damn truck
wouldn't start, right there at Sears! I had to do something, couldn't
limp home and deal with it later, since I had Coco, my senior dog, with
me. So, I had them install a battery. Poor Fred, the young man in sales,
was surprised to see the dog, and even more surprised when I stuffed my
old Combat Commander .45 in the waistband of the workout pants I was
wearing.(g) He recovered OK, though, and soon I was on my way, with
tires and so forth. Stopped at the Cell 1 store to find out why the
display on my new digital Nokia looked odd, and the tech showed me where
it had gotten moisture on the circuit board. He kept asking me if I had
the insurance. Pissed me off. I carried my old Nokia 232 around in the
same jacket pocket for nearly three years, never a problem. I'm getting
suspicious. First thing he asked me is if I had dropped it. Anyway,
we'll see if it shows up on my next bill.
So, I get home, and decide to throw the tires on. They *just* clear the
emergency brake cable bracket on the trailing arms, and I have to do
something with one balance weight, which is *exactly* where one of the
trim ring clips is! That's minor; it's a .5 oz. weight. I'll get two .25
oz. weights, space them on either side of the clip, and balance will be
OK. By that time, I was well past the "Fuck it!" stage, so I went in,
fed me and dogs, and watched a movie. I mean, some days, you just can't
win!(g)
> Money is the only comodity used to trade at the supermarket...
>
Yeah, I know, and I'm a confirmed capitalist. I've never gone after big
money, though, and I've always assumed that I could make more, if I
needed to.
> Charles
>
> Robert M. Kreidler wrote in message <368C21...@mail.sunlink.net>...
> >Charles wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> DRL wrote in message <368C03B3...@primenet.com>...
> >> Please let me take some insurance out on you first before
> >> you do this. Is your car worth more than your life?
> >> Anybody who wants to carjack you isn't going to stand there
> >> and let you reach for a revolver. The best thing to do is
> >> get a satellite navigational alarm set up that you can
> >> REMOTELY activate if the car is stolen. Teltrack and LoJack
> >> come to mind and there are others as well. Expect to spend
> >> about $500-$1000 plus monthly maintenance. But hey, it's
> >> your car and your life...don't let me influence your
> >> decision to play Dirty Harry.
> >>
> >> DRL
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> This comment comes in amoment in which you can really tell
> >> how much I love my cars. My wife just *(&&*^d up my Audi,
> >> just the way I looked at her made her go directly to her
> >> bedroom and cried... she is still doing that.
> >>
> >> A few months ago she dropped something on the hood of my
> >> Vette and made a very tiny scratch... my neghibor was there
> >> and after this happened he just ran away before my wife told
> >> me. in the office it's considered a disgrace to park next to
> >> me....
> >>
> >> I will not let anyone take my Vette.
> >>
> >> I just walked upstairs to hug my wife....
> >>
> > Well, that's more like it.
> >>
> >>
> >> But I still love my cars. When the car wash guy was drying
> >> my car and he dropped the towel then picked it up and tried
> >> to continue drying I coursed across the detailing shop.....
> >> boy I got his attention. Not to mention when I walk out of
> >> the mall and find someone acting funny near my car....
> >>
> >>
> > We're going to have to disagree on the order. To me, wife is first.
> >That's what the marriage vows mean to me. I place her before all others,
> >and put away those things of my childhood, not in a locked cabinet, but
> >further down on the list. Next, my son. My parents are both dead, but
> >they lived long lives. As for possessions, they come tied for last with
> >the money. I can always make more money, and buy more things. I would
> >give you my shirt, if you needed it right then, regardless of how much
> >money each of us have, for true need must be addressed NOW; tomorrow may
> >be too late. These are my beliefs. Do not take this as criticism of your
> >beliefs. I am merely showing you a different way.
> >
> >>
> >> In order:
> >>
> >> My Son
> >>
> >> My mom and Dad
> >>
> >> My wife (just promoted)
> >>
> >> MY CARS, boats etc.
> >>
> >> People in need
> >>
> >> Money
> >>
> >> Charles
> >>
> >> Have a happy new year!
> >
> > And I wish you and yours a Happy New Year, also!
Charles
my clients out for lunch... but get this
I am 25 and he is 24 and Black (I got him hired there... Readers Digest),
great guy, really willing to prove himself.... The place we went saw us
pulling in in the $100K BMW, I was wearing a dressy casual attire, he was in
jeans and leather jacket. We sit down and I take the jacket off, the waiter
sees my "miami vice style" holster etc. with the Taurus SS in it. He freakes
right away but gets pretty quick taking the order. When we left you could
read on everybody's expression.... "Bastard drug dealers...." but ^#^%k
them.
Then we had the Audi problem.... This morning my dad called at 7:00 am toi
ask about sending a head gasket for the Vector... and I told him to get a
Lambo Diablo head gasket.... then it was time for the son getting up and
yelling.... then I just went to the office.... But I am leaving in a few
minutes.
And let's see..... we have an invitation to the "Amy Vanderbilt" relatives
from my mother's side. (the ones that follow the etiquette book to the t and
tell my parents all I do/say wrong).
Great day!
Charles
Robert M. Kreidler wrote in message <368CDD...@mail.sunlink.net>...
Robert M. Kreidler
>
Ha! I had one worse than that. My old Combat Commander came with the
weirdest ejector I ever saw on a .45. It was straight across, and sloped
up and back. It threw the empties back over your head, instead of to the
right and back. Well, with milder loads, it would sometimes bounce an
empty off your forehead. I kinda ignored that, until one hit my eyebrow
and dropped down between my glasses and my eyelid! Not fun!(g) Didn't
shoot the gun again until I got another ejector.
> Not to mention those smokin' hot 12ga empties spewing out onto the leather
> (and your lap). :-)
>
> Steve
> 99 all-black rag
>
> (remove "-nospam-" from mail address to e-mail me)
> Robert M. Kreidler <krei...@mail.sunlink.net> wrote in message
> 368C1E...@mail.sunlink.net...
> >>
> > Man, what you smokin'?(g) Ever fire a gun from inside a car? Try it
> >sometime. Try it WITH hearing protection, so you don't go around saying
> >"Huh?" for the rest of your life. Even with muffs, it just ain't
> >something you're gonna do twice, for fun. Did it with a 6MM Remington,
> >but only once.
> >
> >> Still like the Street Sweeper!
> >
Robert M. Kreidler
>
I hope 76 VETTE reads this. His rag joint goof ain't nothin' next to
the damnfool stunts we've pulled.(g) Keep yer powder dry, and have a
Happy . . .
> this is a funny post in light of an incident some 30 years ago or so....I got
> finished with shooting out in the country, and had a .44 mag. got to talking
> with my still current friend in my car, We were talking guns and accuracyand
> triggers and shit, I idely pulled out that .44 8-3/8 .44 and emptied the
> rounds, all except one....and put the cylinder hometo dry fire it, aiming more
> or less at the tranny tunnel...
>
> Friend Larry , with a MOST POINTED edge to his voice, intoned....'Don't pull
> that trigger'.......Yup one up and ready in sequence.....
>
> It would have been a VERY VERY LONG HIKE through
>
> HELL, being blamed for every step of the way.....much less buying a new
> car......
>
> Happy New Year everyone.....keep shiney sides up, the alternatives are rather
> unpleasant....
>
> GENE
>
> Robert M. Kreidler wrote:
> >
> > Larry wrote:
> > >
> > Man, what you smokin'?(g) Ever fire a gun from inside a car? Try it
> > sometime. Try it WITH hearing protection, so you don't go around saying
> > "Huh?" for the rest of your life. Even with muffs, it just ain't
> > something you're gonna do twice, for fun. Did it with a 6MM Remington,
> > but only once.
> >
> > > Still like the Street Sweeper!
> >
> > --
> >
> > Bob K
> > a.k.a. kreidler at mail-sunlink-net
>
> --
>
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> FOR THOU ART CRUNCHY, AND GOOD WITH CATSUP
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Robert M. Kreidler
>
My absolute favorite 5.56 is the Steyr AUG. I should have gotten one
when they were comparatively cheap.
--
Robert M. Kreidler
>
Some pistol grips are very uncomfortable, the ones for the Ithaca 37s
being the worst, IMO. The one's for the Mossberg are much better, but
consider a semi-auto Remington 11-87, something like the special purpose
guns. 21" barrel, low reflectivity finish, and a buttstock. The butt is
an advantage. You clamp the butt between your arm and your ribs. Keep
the gun pointed down, not straight out in front of you so some bad guy
can lever it out of your hands. If he grabs for it, shoot for the feet.
Damn few good one-legged fighters. The 1100 - 11-87 style guns are all
gas operated, so a loose hold on the gun does not impair function as
much, and grabbing the barrel will not prevent the gun from cycling the
next round. For in-home use, consider using the mildest small shot load
that will reliably cycle the gun. Caveat: at close range, ANY load will
go through a wall, so keep focused on your environment. A tritium front
sight is an aid for shooting under low light conditions, but I blacken
the front so that it does not show up at tha front, only at the back.(g)
The autos have less recoil, and can be operated with one hand, if
necessary, provided they have the buttstock so that you can hold the
damn thing up.
> I need a good shot gun. Great home defense piece, especially with children
> around because shot will usually stop in the wall. Maybe a folding stock
> stainless pump.
>
> Norincos can be super cool if you let a smith go at 'em. They need some
> fine tuning and polishing but I have seen some really nice match pistols
> made from them. (I take it you meant the Norinco 1911, they make many
> others too. Hard to get since the Chinese import ban and prices aren't
> nearly as good as what they used to be.)
>
> I bought the AR15 about six months after the slime bill so prices weren't
> outrageous for such features as flash guard, folding stock, and front grip.
> I got it for $1200 at a great local gun shop that sells weapons for about
> 80% of what all other shops around here do. Gun Town in Lynnwood
> Washington. With the Red Dot scope zeroed properly (it drifts something
> fierce but they all do.)
It isn't the gun, it's you.(g) What is happening is that your brain is
trying to switch your master eye to the other side. I can use a red dot,
but an occluded-eye sight is a no-no for me. I have an ancient
Singlepoint. Faster than hell, but couldn't get it sighted in. I'm right
eyed, mostly, but my brain was trying to switch dominance to the side
that could see the background. Gave the queerest damn itchy feeling like
inside my backbone.
I can shoot a quarter at 50 yards even with the
> short barrel. I keep this next to my bed along with one of my auto pistols
> but I really think I would go for the Sig if I heard an intruder because it,
> and the Glock, are the only weapons I trust 110% neither has ever jammed on
> me and I shoot the piss out of them. Also, something about a long gun in a
> confined battle environment really irks me. I can just see somebody
> grabbing the barrel as I round a corner and then I'm screwed.
Point the gun down, as you would the shotgun. I forget who first
recommended that.
--
Larry
the Special Forces days.
3DfxCOOL
You are a class "A" jack ass. Jesus, you are full of shit 24 hours a day.
Give us a rest already. Do you make this shit up as you go or do you have a
notebook full of fantastic stories you concocted under the blankets with a
flash light and pencil ahead of time? What a schmuck. Go away.
--
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Charles wrote in message <76in75$p...@chronicle.concentric.net>...
Robert M. Kreidler
>
> Talking about scaring people.... Yesterday morning I took the MIS of one of
> my clients out for lunch... but get this
>
> I am 25 and he is 24 and Black (I got him hired there... Readers Digest),
> great guy, really willing to prove himself.... The place we went saw us
> pulling in in the $100K BMW, I was wearing a dressy casual attire, he was in
> jeans and leather jacket. We sit down and I take the jacket off, the waiter
> sees my "miami vice style" holster etc. with the Taurus SS in it. He freakes
> right away but gets pretty quick taking the order. When we left you could
> read on everybody's expression.... "Bastard drug dealers...." but ^#^%k
> them.
>
because you are your age, and I sorta wish I still was.(g) And, no
matter how you got your money, you have more of it than they do, and
they further resent that! I mean, look at you: you're 25, so you must
have scammed the money in some illegal fashion (perception of other
patrons). When I was your age, I looked like more of a street dealer. It
was weird. I had to partake a little just to quell the rumbles that I
might be a narc, especially since I was friends with a few cops.
> Then we had the Audi problem.... This morning my dad called at 7:00 am toi
> ask about sending a head gasket for the Vector... and I told him to get a
> Lambo Diablo head gasket.... then it was time for the son getting up and
> yelling.... then I just went to the office.... But I am leaving in a few
> minutes.
>
This IS supposed to be a holiday . . . Escaping to the office, are
we?(g)
> And let's see..... we have an invitation to the "Amy Vanderbilt" relatives
> from my mother's side. (the ones that follow the etiquette book to the t and
> tell my parents all I do/say wrong).
>
> Great day!
>
That's a no-win. All you can do is keep your mouth shut and smile a
lot, hang on their every word. That's how it's done; that doesn't
necessarily mean that *I* was ever good at it.(g)
Robert M. Kreidler
>
Larry,
I'll be 52 tomorrow, not that it means much. I still enjoy good
health and tone, but was never a skillful fighter. Regardless, the old
axiom applies: the primary advantage of a weapon is range. If your
weapon has a greater range, you live to fight again. I thought about
learning non-lethal arms, but those have their own stigma. Nunchaku,
etc. My hunting experiences lead me to believe that I am primarily a
danger to myself with a knife in my hand.(g) As for striking, I have
weak hands and wrists. For years, I couldn't make a fist with my right
hand, due to the carpal tunnel. I've had the operation on both hands,
but I'll still never be strong there. I didn't do much pistol shooting
during that period, for obvious reasons.
I'm not a great shot, but I've done a lot of it, over the years. I pray
that I never have to use it. The way society is going, though, there
seems to be more chance that my prayer may not be answered.
> I like hand-to-hand combat personally, but that is probably left over from
> the Special Forces days.
--
ZombyWoof
wrote:
Geez Bart, Your giving corpse a run for is money in the comedy
department. ROFLMAO
Zw
>Charles,
>
>You are a class "A" jack ass. Jesus, you are full of shit 24 hours a day.
>Give us a rest already. Do you make this shit up as you go or do you have a
>notebook full of fantastic stories you concocted under the blankets with a
>flash light and pencil ahead of time? What a schmuck. Go away.
"Tax the rich to feed the poor,
till there ain't no rich no more."
Ten Years After
Tom McDiermon
almost have to put the gun in the guy's face. I would favor a gun with good
penetration capability to shoot through the door -- two reasons 1. you dont
want the bag guy to see it, and 2. replacing the door is much less of a
bother than being shot over a car. Hollow points should be avoided because
of the velocity loss when the door is penetrated. The noise of the gun in a
car is literally deafening. Be prepared to shoot and continue to shoot at
least a few rounds as fast as possible, watch out where your rounds may go.
Hit an innocent bystander and your ass is grass. Accuracy is not important
unless you intend to shoot the crook in the back as he is running away.
If you feel that there is the threat of being cracked, you had better have
the gun out before the crook gets to the car! Otherwise, let him have the
car, this supposes that you are by yourself.
I would do anything I could, but I would not put family members in harms way
because of a car.
Tom
Corpse
>
> On Fri, 1 Jan 1999 11:47:34 -0800, "3DfxCOOL" <fa...@3dfxcool.com>
> wrote:
>
> Geez Bart, Your giving corpse a run for is money in the comedy
> department. ROFLMAO
>
> Zw
My money's on Bart. I know when I'm beaten. And at least Bart has
something to say about CORVETTEs every once in a while!
Corpse
>
> Larry wrote:
> >
> Larry,
> I'll be 52 tomorrow, not that it means much. I still enjoy good
> health and tone, but was never a skillful fighter. Regardless, the old
> axiom applies: the primary advantage of a weapon is range. If your
> weapon has a greater range, you live to fight again. I thought about
> learning non-lethal arms, but those have their own stigma. Nunchaku,
> etc. My hunting experiences lead me to believe that I am primarily a
> danger to myself with a knife in my hand.(g) As for striking, I have
> weak hands and wrists. For years, I couldn't make a fist with my right
> hand, due to the carpal tunnel. I've had the operation on both hands,
> but I'll still never be strong there. I didn't do much pistol shooting
> during that period, for obvious reasons.
> I'm not a great shot, but I've done a lot of it, over the years. I pray
> that I never have to use it. The way society is going, though, there
> seems to be more chance that my prayer may not be answered.
>
You're a mess, old man!
(I'm smiling, so don't get mad!)
Robert M. Kreidler
>
> ZombyWoof wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, 1 Jan 1999 11:47:34 -0800, "3DfxCOOL" <fa...@3dfxcool.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Geez Bart, Your giving corpse a run for is money in the comedy
> > department. ROFLMAO
> >
> > Zw
>
> My money's on Bart. I know when I'm beaten. And at least Bart has
> something to say about CORVETTEs every once in a while!
>
crack<g>)
> --
>
> CORPSE
>
> Nessun maggior dolore,
> Che ricordarsi del tempo felice
> Nella miseria...
>
> Please remove **non-spam** from my address when replying
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Jerry Springer
> Charles wrote in message <76in75$p...@chronicle.concentric.net>...
> >Talking about scaring people.... Yesterday morning I took the MIS of one of
> >my clients out for lunch... but get this
> >
> >I am 25 and he is 24 and Black (I got him hired there... Readers Digest),
> >great guy, really willing to prove himself.... The place we went saw us
> >pulling in in the $100K BMW, I was wearing a dressy casual attire, he was
> in
> >jeans and leather jacket. We sit down and I take the jacket off, the waiter
> >sees my "miami vice style" holster etc. with the Taurus SS in it. He
> freakes
So Charles are you saying that the state you live in allows you to flash
your handgun? I have a CCW permit here in Oregon but that is just what it
means, concealed carry weapon. If I started flashing it in restaurants I
am pretty sure that I would lose my permit. I am not writing this
to debate whether we need permits or not only that whether we do or
don't it is not real intelligent to flash your weapon in public.
Michael Rothberg
I normally stay out of what you say BUT....
A car is a car.
My wife/family/friends are FAR more important than ANY materialistic item.
They are all replaceable, people are not.
I let my 22 year old nephew take my new (under 1000 miles) drop top C5 down
to SOBE for the weekend a few weeks ago. I didn't care one ioda about the
car. All I cared about was him returning home safely.
So what, you wife smashed the car, would you rather have a perfect car and
loose her the mother of your child. Ask that yourself that ?.
Michael J. Rothberg
Director Home Center Sales
Ceramic Tile and Natural Stone Installation Systems
Laticrete International, Inc.
www.laticrete.com
mjrot...@laticrete.com
My father taught me that a long time ago.
Charles wrote in message <76h2c4$n...@chronicle.concentric.net>...
DRL wrote in message <368C03B3...@primenet.com>...
Please let me take some insurance out on you first before you do this.
Is your car worth more than your life? Anybody who wants to carjack you
isn't going to stand there and let you reach for a revolver. The best thing
to do is get a satellite navigational alarm set up that you can REMOTELY
activate if the car is stolen. Teltrack and LoJack come to mind and there
are others as well. Expect to spend about $500-$1000 plus monthly
maintenance. But hey, it's your car and your life...don't let me influence
your decision to play Dirty Harry.
DRL
This comment comes in amoment in which you can really tell how much I
love my cars. My wife just *(&&*^d up my Audi, just the way I looked at her
made her go directly to her bedroom and cried... she is still doing that.
A few months ago she dropped something on the hood of my Vette and made
a very tiny scratch... my neghibor was there and after this happened he
just ran away before my wife told me. in the office it's considered a
disgrace to park next to me....
I will not let anyone take my Vette.
I just walked upstairs to hug my wife....
But I still love my cars. When the car wash guy was drying my car and he
dropped the towel then picked it up and tried to continue drying I coursed
across the detailing shop..... boy I got his attention. Not to mention when
I walk out of the mall and find someone acting funny near my car....
In order:
Tom McDiermon
needs. I suggest mounting it on the portion above the windshield. A
universal joint should give better aiming capabilities. Also do not forget
to load a tracer every 5 th round.
Tom
Corpse <**non-spam**cor...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
<368D5A...@ix.netcom.com>...
>Robert M. Kreidler wrote:
>>
>> Larry wrote:
>> >
>> Larry,
>> I'll be 52 tomorrow, not that it means much. I still enjoy good
>> health and tone, but was never a skillful fighter. Regardless, the old
>> axiom applies: the primary advantage of a weapon is range. If your
>> weapon has a greater range, you live to fight again. I thought about
>> learning non-lethal arms, but those have their own stigma. Nunchaku,
>> etc. My hunting experiences lead me to believe that I am primarily a
>> danger to myself with a knife in my hand.(g) As for striking, I have
>> weak hands and wrists. For years, I couldn't make a fist with my right
>> hand, due to the carpal tunnel. I've had the operation on both hands,
>> but I'll still never be strong there. I didn't do much pistol shooting
>> during that period, for obvious reasons.
>> I'm not a great shot, but I've done a lot of it, over the years.
I pray
>> that I never have to use it. The way society is going, though, there
>> seems to be more chance that my prayer may not be answered.
>>
>
>You're a mess, old man!
>
>(I'm smiling, so don't get mad!)
>
Larry
threatening someone, who then has the legal (did not say moral) right to
take action.
Robert M. Kreidler
>
I try not to expose my weapon in public, but appointments are
available.(g)
> You expose your weapon in public in Texas and you can be considered to be
> threatening someone, who then has the legal (did not say moral) right to
> take action.
--
Larry
Sinques
with was Black, and because of this you had to get him hired. You said "I am
25 and he is 24 and Black (I got him hired there... " , are you saying that
without your help this Black guy would of had a harder time getting hired?
Just curious.
--
Sinques
'98 Rag
"If you're left there spinning, you probably ain't winning".
Charles wrote in message <76in75$p...@chronicle.concentric.net>...
Dad
Robert M. Kreidler wrote in message <368E35...@mail.sunlink.net>...
>Larry wrote:
>>
> I try not to expose my weapon in public, but appointments are
>available.(g)
>
>> You expose your weapon in public in Texas and you can be considered to be
>> threatening someone, who then has the legal (did not say moral) right to
>> take action.
>
3DfxCOOL
dealers which really was only insinuating that drug dealers are black
people. Don't be upset though, this all only takes place in Chucky Land and
has no real bearing in our world.
--
Bart A. Lane
fa...@3dfxcool.com
3DfxCOOL / High Quality Computer Cooling Fans
http://www.3dfxcool.com
Sinques wrote in message <76m0im$5qi$1...@camel18.mindspring.com>...
>Charles, I'm just curious why you had to point out that the guy you went
out
>with was Black, and because of this you had to get him hired. You said "I
am
>25 and he is 24 and Black (I got him hired there... " , are you saying that
>without your help this Black guy would of had a harder time getting hired?
>Just curious.
>--
>Sinques
>'98 Rag
>"If you're left there spinning, you probably ain't winning".
>
>Charles wrote in message <76in75$p...@chronicle.concentric.net>...
Charles
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Jerry Springer wrote in message <368DBF30...@ix.netcom.com>...
>>
>> Charles wrote in message <76in75$p...@chronicle.concentric.net>...
>> >Talking about scaring people.... Yesterday morning I took the MIS of one
of
>> >my clients out for lunch... but get this
>> >
>> >I am 25 and he is 24 and Black (I got him hired there... Readers
Digest),
>> >great guy, really willing to prove himself.... The place we went saw us
>> >pulling in in the $100K BMW, I was wearing a dressy casual attire, he
was
>> in
>> >jeans and leather jacket. We sit down and I take the jacket off, the
waiter
>> >sees my "miami vice style" holster etc. with the Taurus SS in it. He
>> freakes
>
>
Charles
Charles
Jerry Springer wrote in message <368DBF30...@ix.netcom.com>...
>>
>> Charles wrote in message <76in75$p...@chronicle.concentric.net>...
>> >Talking about scaring people.... Yesterday morning I took the MIS of one
of
>> >my clients out for lunch... but get this
>> >
>> >I am 25 and he is 24 and Black (I got him hired there... Readers
Digest),
>> >great guy, really willing to prove himself.... The place we went saw us
>> >pulling in in the $100K BMW, I was wearing a dressy casual attire, he
was
>> in
>> >jeans and leather jacket. We sit down and I take the jacket off, the
waiter
>> >sees my "miami vice style" holster etc. with the Taurus SS in it. He
>> freakes
>
>
Charles
You are perfectly right. A car is a car. I love my cars and I would llike to
preserve them but in the case of an accident... well I don't want anybody to
get hurt. I know that there are plenty of IDIOTS on the road, that's wahy I
buy cars such as the Audi S8 or the BMW 750, I alway try to drive the
BIGGEST and safest car. Even when I rent I only take the Crown Vic or trhe
Town car. Trust me ....if my wife has an accident the main concern is her.
If the other guy is wrong and my wife is hurt he better die before I get
him...
It may sound like my cars are everything but think about this.... my C5 is
at my mother in law, I was there for 2 days now (got back 15 minutes ago)
and I was pissed to see that in 1 week he drove 140 miles when I asked him
to take the car for a 10 minutes ride once a week. You know what he did? He
went shopping at the mall with my C5, he took a chick out in it (on the
Snow!!!!).... now if he damaged the car I would be very upset as he
displayed ignorance and reckless behavior. If he crashes the car and he
makes it I will kick his butt.
BTW Rog NY if you see my Vette around on the road there please e-mail me!
Driving upstate NY (1 1/2 hour on the snow) with a light snow and ice
allowed me to show my wife why I "buy those huge bulky cars...". At times I
wonder what possesed me when I bought the C5 (my wife was 5-6 months
pregnant...)
Charles
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