How is the C5 Auto?
3DfxCOOL
It totally depends on the driver. It takes a skilled foot to get the best
out of the 6 speed. In the end, stock car to stock car with perfect drivers
a manual transmission will be faster in every circumstance. This is because
a clutch and positive gear mesh will always steal less horsepower than a
fluid based torque converter and clutch disks. A six speed will, most times,
be more fun for people who enjoy driving because it gives them something
else to control. This to me would be the biggest reason to get a six speed;
the fun factor. It takes lots of practice to perfect manual transmission
performance.
But do know this, the combination of the auto trans in the C5 (Also in C4
since 94) and the Power Train Control Module (computer) is a very, very good
set-up. It always knows what gear to be in and it never hunts. Chevy has
always had the best automatics in the US and that is still very much true.
With some aftermarket parts (high speed stall converter and shift kit) mixed
with a decent gear ratio the automatic will toast manual transmissions in
the quarter mile but there is some sacrifice in driveability so there is no
free lunch. To me the automatic won over because of the following reasons;
1.) I am driving on the road, in traffic, 99% of the time and I do not like
using a stick under these circumstances.
2.) Track time is not very common so the benefits of a six speed would only
be appreciated rarely.
3.) I like to do things with my hands while I drive, phone, CDs, etc. Most
of all, I like to place my hand on my girlfriend's knee.
4.) I am not a race car driver and really doubt if I could ever drive a
stick faster than an auto. My auto is very fast.
5.) The auto is all the dealer had available on the lot.
6.) I live in Seattle with rain and hills and cars, etc. A stick would suck
here.
7.) I drive this car every day, everywhere I go.
8.) A computer controlled automatic transmission is very, very good these
days.
Those are my reasons. Make the choice you think is best. Most people feel
that real sports cars need manual transmissions. Maybe not all drivers but
computers are faster than me, I accept that and made the best choice for
myself.
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Solotimer wrote in message <19990111223139...@ng-ch1.aol.com>...
>I live in Omaha, Ne and am not able to test drive either form of C5. Is
there
>a noticable difference between the six speed and the auto. I think that I
>would prefer the convience of the auto w/ perf. axle, but not if the six
speed
>is much quicker. Does the auto spend a lot of time deciding on what gear
to be
>in (like my Exlplorer)? Will the auto break the rear end loose in 2nd?
>
>Any imput appreciated.
>
>Matt.
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Paul (Paul) wrote in message <369ad585...@nntp.mindspring.com>...
>> To me the automatic won over because of the following reasons;
>>
>>1.) I am driving on the road, in traffic, 99% of the time and I do not
like
>>using a stick under these circumstances.
>I Agree
>>2.) Track time is not very common so the benefits of a six speed would
only
>>be appreciated rarely.
>Also True
>>3.) I like to do things with my hands while I drive, phone, CDs, etc.
Most
>Ditto
>>of all, I like to place my hand on my girlfriend's knee.
>Bart does Linda know about this ? :)
>>4.) I am not a race car driver and really doubt if I could ever drive a
>>stick faster than an auto. My auto is very fast.
>You mean your not as great as Chuckles
>>5.) The auto is all the dealer had available on the lot.
>ie: saved 700 clams
>>6.) I live in Seattle with rain and hills and cars, etc. A stick would
suck
>>here.
>Fla here plenty of rain no hills
>>7.) I drive this car every day, everywhere I go.
>7000k miles on my 99c5 w/auto & pro.axle ratio in 3 1/2 months
>>8.) A computer controlled automatic transmission is very, very good these
>>days.
>unless that computer is running microsoft windows in which case it will
probably need to be
>formatted and re programmed about every 12-18 months under heavy use to
maintain proper working
>order
>>
>>Those are my reasons. Make the choice you think is best. Most people
feel
>>that real sports cars need manual transmissions. Maybe not all drivers
but
>>computers are faster than me, I accept that and made the best choice for
>>myself.
>
>Tell the truth you do more than just feel her knee <g>
>
>Paul
>Torch Red 99 C5
>In Sunny Central Florida
>
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>3.) I like to do things with my hands while I drive, phone, CDs, etc. Most
3DfxCOOL -
You've hit what happens to be my personal pet peeve. The car is
not a mobile office, and when someone's controlling 3000+ pounds
and 345 horsepower, that ought to be the focus of their attention.
Frankly, I don't think Corvette drivers are the primary problem - I
rarely see a Corvette driver obliviously talking on the phone.
Nonetheless, the New England Journal of Medicine published
a study showing four times the risk of accidents in cell phone users -
roughly equivalent to driving while modestly intoxicated.
At least when you're focusing on your girlfriend's knee, she
can help keep an eye on the road.
MartyBL - 1999 White Six-Speed Z51 Coupe
3DfxCOOL
business call comes in I have to take it. I will try to do it as safely as
I can and I still can keep both hands on the wheel. Sometimes it can be
tough if I am really, really drunk though.
(That was a joke.)
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MartyBL wrote in message <77erfk$5...@dfw-ixnews7.ix.netcom.com>...
Solotimer
Paul
>
>1.) I am driving on the road, in traffic, 99% of the time and I do not like
>using a stick under these circumstances.
I Agree
>2.) Track time is not very common so the benefits of a six speed would only
>be appreciated rarely.
Also True
>of all, I like to place my hand on my girlfriend's knee.
jbw...@my-dejanews.com
claimed a ONE YEAR WAIT for a six speed.
I always drove manual transmission cars..my last two cars were Toyota MR2s,
the first of which (old body style) I converted for racing. The new body
style would swap ends so it was not a good candidate for the track.
Anyway, I sure do miss the manual transmission...I feel kinda stupid with the
automatic...
To answer your question, the automatic works just fine...no shifting problems
at all...super consistant...a very good job by GM (unlike the interior but
that's another problem).
But I will tell you this...given the opportunity, I would trade this car in
for one with a 6 speed in a heart beat! The transmission is the only thing I
regret.
Jeff
In article <77elim$jnf$1...@samsara0.mindspring.com>,
> >free lunch. To me the automatic won over because of the following reasons;
> >
> >1.) I am driving on the road, in traffic, 99% of the time and I do not like
> >using a stick under these circumstances.
> >2.) Track time is not very common so the benefits of a six speed would only
> >be appreciated rarely.
> >3.) I like to do things with my hands while I drive, phone, CDs, etc. Most
> >of all, I like to place my hand on my girlfriend's knee.
> >4.) I am not a race car driver and really doubt if I could ever drive a
> >stick faster than an auto. My auto is very fast.
> >5.) The auto is all the dealer had available on the lot.
> >6.) I live in Seattle with rain and hills and cars, etc. A stick would
> suck
> >here.
> >7.) I drive this car every day, everywhere I go.
> >8.) A computer controlled automatic transmission is very, very good these
> >days.
> >
> >Those are my reasons. Make the choice you think is best. Most people feel
> >that real sports cars need manual transmissions. Maybe not all drivers but
> >computers are faster than me, I accept that and made the best choice for
> >myself.
> >
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perf axle will do it even when I don't have it floored.
Corvette Quarterly recently said that the 0-60 time of the auto with perf axle
is 4.7 - 4.8 secs, which is identical to the 6 speed.
solo...@aol.com (Solotimer) wrote:
> Will the auto break the rear end loose in 2nd?
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Corpse
>
> I'm certain you are right but it happens none the less. If an important
> business call comes in I have to take it. I will try to do it as safely as
> I can and I still can keep both hands on the wheel. Sometimes it can be
> tough if I am really, really drunk though.
>
Now I KNOW that you are funnier than I am!
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I hesitate to post this since the last time I replied to a post about
manuals and autos I got so many flames that my house is still smoking. But,
the fact remains that in C5 auto with the perf (3.15) gears from 0 to 60 you
get to see the front of the 6 speed behind you. These gears are going at a
cost of gas mileage and exhaust noise, which I can easily live with. When I
got mine I had driven all three variations auto with 2.73s. auto with 3.15
and 6 speed with 3.42. The auto with the 3.15 was an easy choice. It
easily breaks the tires loose on the 1-2 shift. As for breaking traction
with the EMTs in 1st it is only a question of how far you want to make two
wide black marks down the street. There are a bunch of test and articles out
there to confirm this. Corvette Quarterly for one. But, do not, I repeat,
do not get the 2.73 or you will be driving a very good looking economy car.
regards,
C5Phil
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: Solotimer,
Interesting data Phil. Where did you get it again?
Every magazine I have seen shows the 6speed Coupe 0-60 @ 4.7-4.8. The very
same magazines show the Auto w/perf axle at 5.1-5.3.
Explain how your Auto C5 runs 4.3-4.4sec 0-60 (enough to be a carlength in
front of a 6speec C5).
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Paul
charged 2000 hp plus they all run 11.0 in the 1/4 and 200 plus on top and with the new handing
package i just invented today it will out handle a c5 so if you in counter a crazed trucker with a
video cam in seattle he just getting video footage i requested :)
>Linda's knee only, and the other question is just not anybody's business ;-)
>(With perhaps the exception being truckers that I pass who are looking
>down.)
Paul
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Paul (Paul) wrote in message <369cbd95...@nntp.mindspring.com>...
Kevin
C4 96 in one! I will never know the speed difference of the 6 speed. And
I'm tired of shifting in bumper to bumper traffic on hills! When I hit the
gas all I know is it goes....it goes fast!
Charles
As Bart said if you have a cell phone and other gadgets + drive in traffic
the auto is a lot more practical.
The C5 is my FIRST auto and I admit I wasn't too happy about the idea of
getting a sportscar with auto, however the auto on the C5 works great and I
don't regret my decision.
Basically if all you are looking for is just having fun with the car get the
manual and enjoy!
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Sinques wrote in message <77elim$jnf$1...@samsara0.mindspring.com>...
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>>Solotimer wrote in message
><19990111223139...@ng-ch1.aol.com>...
>>>I live in Omaha, Ne and am not able to test drive either form of C5. Is
>>there
>>>a noticable difference between the six speed and the auto. I think that
I
>>>would prefer the convience of the auto w/ perf. axle, but not if the six
>>speed
>>>is much quicker. Does the auto spend a lot of time deciding on what gear
>>to be
>>>in (like my Exlplorer)? Will the auto break the rear end loose in 2nd?
>>>
>>>Any imput appreciated.
>>>
>>>Matt.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
Cw
Not to rag...but when it comes to having fun in the car, I think an auto or
6-speed is purely a subjective choice . Certainly, if you want a free hand
for phones and other gadgets an auto helps. If you don't like a clutch,
shifting while in traffic, stop and go on hills, etc......an auto makes
perfect sense.
I live in L.A. and there is plenty of traffic. I've never got bummed out
with a manual. I prefer like the gear selection and don't mind the clutch.
Some others would prefer auto.
Performance can be equal, some say better with an auto. Hell, I think
Mclaren used an auto behind a 430" CanAm big block in the 70's.
My .02 worth.
Cw
Charles wrote in message <77gu5o$7...@chronicle.concentric.net>...
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GM and Corvette Quarterly quote the auto with 3.15s at 4.7 - 4.8. I find
that every 6 speed driver has a problem hooking up the EMTs off the line,
thus the car length. Given experts in both cars (which I admit I am far
from) perhaps it would be nose to nose at 60. There is even an article in
Motor Trend as I recall, perhaps Car and Driver, that has at its end the
specs for an auto convert with the 3.15s and a coupe with the 6-speed and
3.42s. What amazed me was that up to 0 - 30 the times were much less than
the 6-speed(and the 6-speed numbers were as I had seen in other mags) if
that is all you had looked at it would have appeatrfd the convert was going
to stomp the coupe. As I recall about 75 is where the 6-speed waved bye,
bye.
But... 0 - 60 is 0 - 60.
regards,
C5Phil
P.S. Just multiplying first gear by the rear end combinations is
enlightening.
Enter your name here
It took me a long time to come up with anything other than my own numbers
also. But if you take some simple math (very simple). If you take the 1
gear ratio 2.66 times the difs' 3.42 we get 9.04. For the auto with the
3.15s and a 3.06 first we get 9.6. Take out the converter gains and the
losses and you get pretty close numbers. One might conclude that if both
are Velcrose to the road they would take off passing a beer between cars
easily. At least until the vile God of second gear rears its ugly head,
The winter 98 issue of Corvette Quarterly, and I am trying to find either
the Motor Trend or Car and Driver that actually has an article about the
6-speed coupe. But, at the end they included data on a convert auto with
the 3.15s. And they were not being easy on the coupe either. It's times
were the same as we have all seen 0 - 60 in 4.7, convert the same. But in
the 0- 30 to 0 - 50 the convert's times were an eye opener.
regards,
C5Phil
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that will increase with neck snapping acceleration when I get my car back
with the new stuff put in.
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Cliff Urbanas, Jr. wrote in message <77ha28$83g$1...@news.erinet.com>...
>The best and latest information I have found about what is better the
>automatic or the six speed comes from the February 1999 issue of CORVETTE
>FEVER (page 53):
> "If you're not ready to wait an
>appropriate length of time,
> you should plan on the automatic. There
>'s nothing wrong with this
> transmission, except that there's
>nothing all that great about it
> either. This unit is just your basic
>Lexus/Cadillac gearbox."
> ".....Everyone who's ever driven a C5
>Corvette agrees that the automatic
> and six -speed Corvette are totally
>different cars. One is very Lexus-
> like and the other brings back the
>image of an aggressive sports car.
> There's an excitement in the six-speed
>car that the automatic can't
> match. In a few years, GM will probably
>solve this problem and we'll
> get a true performance automatic
>transmission---not in 1999 though."
>
> ---by Richard F. Newton
>
>Corvette Fever
>
>
>
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axle? Every time I've seen 0-60 times like those, it's been for an auto with
the standard axle.
bar...@nospam.giganews.com wrote:
>
> Interesting data Phil. Where did you get it again?
>
> Every magazine I have seen shows the 6speed Coupe 0-60 @ 4.7-4.8. The very
> same magazines show the Auto w/perf axle at 5.1-5.3.
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Joey Cartee
>
> Out of curiosity, what would make an automatic transmission exciting? I
> find my car to be very exciting regardless of the transmission and I hope
> that will increase with neck snapping acceleration when I get my car back
> with the new stuff put in.
>
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> Cliff Urbanas, Jr. wrote in message <77ha28$83g$1...@news.erinet.com>...
Most people in the group have never been 5.80,s in the 1/8 mile 15 years
ago. Not Bragging,But the auto can be very reliable and consistent,and
yes with a converter neck snapping. I just took out a 468 aluminum
headed,roller motor,out of an 80 4-spd and put it in a 72 wagon
CORVETTE,that is.And it is mean with the 2800 stall and shift kit and
goodies.My personal opinon,is that you are going to give the guys with
the 6-spd a run for the money if not take it.My 98conv. is a 6 spd but
not for racing purposes,just fun,and love that noise between
shifts. Joey
Darrell Flenniken
3DfxCOOL wrote in message <77hc5t$qe3$1...@ash.prod.itd.earthlink.net>...
>Out of curiosity, what would make an automatic transmission exciting? I
>find my car to be very exciting regardless of the transmission and I hope
>that will increase with neck snapping acceleration when I get my car back
>with the new stuff put in.
>
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Well, I'd like to see GM put in 5 speed auto, with 5th being overdrive, 4th
1:1 and 1 to 3
spaced better. The present jump from 1 to 2 is too wide and drops the engine
out of the power band.
The reason the 6 speed eats the auto after the 1-2 shift is the rpm drop. My
car drops to about 3700 on the 1-2 shift. I think the 6 speed has at least
500 rpm on the auto after the shift. A 5 speed auto
with a "slap stick" shifter would kick butt.
Another Auto disadvantage: The ECM retards the timing when the auto shifts
under WOT. My Autotap data shows timing at -5 degrees at the shift point!!
I think (just a guess) this is the reason the Corsa exhaust pops on the 1-2
shift.
All-in-all, I really like the auto. I can't count how many times I've
blasted away from a stop light with
hardly a squeek out of the tires, while the guy next to me went up in smoke
and watched me pull away. Serious fun.
Darrell Flenniken
'99 Auto w/ 3.15
Gary - KJ6Q
Joey Cartee <"vet...@bellsouth.net"@mail.lig.bellsouth.net> wrote in
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>3DfxCOOL wrote:
>>
>> Out of curiosity, what would make an automatic transmission exciting?
I
>> find my car to be very exciting regardless of the transmission and I
hope
>> that will increase with neck snapping acceleration when I get my car
back
>> with the new stuff put in.
Could it be, that the "stuff" YOU are adding to yours, added to all
vettes would help make THEM more exciting? If NOT, why are you doing it
to yours?
Gary - KJ6Q
3DfxCOOL
in and it will get better after the drive line is fixed up. A car company
would never put in low gears, a high stall speed, or even a firm shifting
shift kit to make their autos more exciting.
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Gary - KJ6Q wrote in message <77iicu$eul$1...@news-2.news.gte.net>...
Sawbone
WAS.
My brand new c5 had an oil leak right off of the truck, ultimately, the
ENTIRE ENGINE had to be replaced by a mechanic who had never done it before.
Chevrolet's response? We stand by the terms of the warranty - no buy back,
no lease payment coverage, nothing. I had to drive a stylin' Dodge Stratus
for 18 days while making $612.00 payments for a corvette that had a major
manufacturers defect.
BEWARE OIL LEAKS IN THIS ENGINE!
Cw
Please supply some more info.
How many miles before the engine replacement?
Did the engine "blow-up"?
Cw
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The latest is not always the the best info.
1. Never quote others words out of context (you left out a bit in the
middle there).
2. They were talking about a 2.73 geared vette.
3. They even got the option code wrong for the 3.15s it is G92 not GU2.
4. It still does not alter the math or the results when 2 average
drivers go at from 0 to 60.
5. This was a fluff article, they do not even mention you loose an inch
of track width with the export mag wheels.
6. All 6-speeds watch out for 3DfxCOOL, or go home crying on your 6
speed shifter.
I have not found the article that shows a 3.15 auto vs a 3.42 6-speed. But
I did find the Motor Trend one. Page 64, this convert had the 2.73.
6 speed coupe Auto convert
0-30 2.1 2.0
0-40 2.8 2.8
0-50 3.7 3.7
0-60 4.8 5.1
Humm, looks like the convert was in front for a while. Since all seem to
agree on one thing that getting the EMTs to hook up is the big problem in
the launch, and the convert has a much lower center of gravity, thus even
less weight transfer at max frame rack. And... it did not have 3.15s and,
and, and...
regards,
C5Phil
Gary - KJ6Q
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>I have not found the article that shows a 3.15 auto vs a 3.42 6-speed.
But
>I did find the Motor Trend one. Page 64, this convert had the 2.73.
>
> 6 speed coupe Auto convert
>
>0-30 2.1 2.0
>0-40 2.8 2.8
>0-50 3.7 3.7
>0-60 4.8 5.1
>Humm, looks like the convert was in front for a while.
HMMmm - do you suppose the rather notorious large gap between 1st and
2nd in the automatic would account for its starting a bit quicker than
the 6 speed, but losing ground when the shift is made? PLUS, isn't the
1st gear ratio in the automatic lower overall than 1st in the manual?
Sure would account for the good "jump" off the line in the automatic,
and then the slower times after it hits second...
Since all seem to
>agree on one thing that getting the EMTs to hook up is the big problem
in
>the launch, and the convert has a much lower center of gravity, thus
even
>less weight transfer at max frame rack. And... it did not have 3.15s
and,
>and, and...
>
>
>regards,
>C5Phil
>
>
Gary - KJ6Q
P.J. Hartman
>I live in Omaha, Ne and am not able to test drive either form of C5. Is there
>a noticable difference between the six speed and the auto. I think that I
>would prefer the convience of the auto w/ perf. axle, but not if the six speed
>is much quicker. Does the auto spend a lot of time deciding on what gear to be
>in (like my Exlplorer)? Will the auto break the rear end loose in 2nd?
Matt,
I too live in Omaha. I have a C5 with the six-speed. I didn't even
consider an automatic. Perhaps we'll hook up sometime and you can get a
chance at it.
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Of course I would. But the question was about 0 - 60 with the perf gears
vs the 6 speed. With the 3.15s in a coupe there is even a greater jump off
the line against the 6-speed (nothing has changed in it) and less drop in
torque on the 1 - 2 shift. From the numbers I come up with and the ones I
have seen published, and personal experience. I still say that with an
average driver in each, the auto with the 3.15s get there first.
regards,
C5Phil
Kevin
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Ah, an excellent point. I wish I would have thought about that one in my
last reply.
regards,
C5Phil
Kevin
you'll enjoy to drive! I've reached a point in my life where I'm tired of
shifting. I've done the, "racing days" stuff. I've also gotten stuck one
to many times in bumper to bumper rush hour traffic, getting cluch foot!
But for those of you who say the 6 speed is faster than the auto, I doubt if
you'll really notice the difference. Now if you want to say you prefer the
6 speed over the auto because you like to shift...well then that's another
point. Just don't say you'd get it based on something you'll never really
notice. Hey I never thought I'd like my 96 auto but I do. But all have to
agree the C5 is HOT no matter what the transmission!
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may have been Motor Trends Car of the Year in 1998. I've read dozens of
articles on the C5 automobile, and although not everyone can agree with the
looks of it, most will agree that it is an oustanding American sports car none
the less (but you have to be an ASS-man like me I guess).
So, my answer would be: the C5 is a very good auto....:) <g> LOL
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