Supercharger for 350 TPI
Dragon
Me again, wanna know if there's a good supercharger system that
wouldn't require to beef up the hood on a V8-350 TPI non-turbo equipped '88
Trans-Am GTA. I don't really like to have stuff getting out of the hood...
:) I know there's Vortech that do good superchargers, but they got big
prices for a street car, and I don't really want to pay 5000$ CAN (3250$US)
for one unit. The Holley (Weiand) and Edelbrock one's are reliable, but a
little too high... Anyone could make a price/quality comparison between
Vortech, Holley and Edelbrock?
Thank you guys, really appreciate your help...
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Michael Bloom
dollar is the GM Performance Parts Fast Burn heads with the HOT cam
kit. Looking at around $1500 for everything, won't stick up out of
your hood and make 430 VERY steetable and reliable hp. No blower is
gonna get you numbers like that for anywhere near that price!
Michael
Musashi
Bloom) wrote:
>For $/hp, forget the blower. The absolute KING of performance per
>dollar is the GM Performance Parts Fast Burn heads with the HOT cam
>kit. Looking at around $1500 for everything, won't stick up out of
>your hood and make 430 VERY steetable and reliable hp. No blower is
>gonna get you numbers like that for anywhere near that price!
>Michael
What exactly is being used to get 430 hp from an otherwise stock
L98 engine? I thought the HOT cam was an LT1 package, anyway? And
what about the intake system? It's still going to be quite
restrictive, no matter what heads are used. I'm not saying you're
wrong, but I've not heard this was possible on the 3rd gen cars before
and am very interested in the idea.
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"Musashi" <ad...@asdf.com> wrote in message
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> What exactly is being used to get 430 hp from an otherwise stock
> L98 engine? I thought the HOT cam was an LT1 package, anyway? And
> what about the intake system? It's still going to be quite
> restrictive, no matter what heads are used. I'm not saying you're
> wrong, but I've not heard this was possible on the 3rd gen cars before
> and am very interested in the idea.
LT4 cam works on every chevy motor :) Says it right in the ad "HP for any
chevy!"
Besides.... ATI is the way to go for blowers. Blown+intercooled... yeeeahh
baby.
MadMaxx
Michael Bloom
This is a quote about the HOT cam kit from that website:
Note #1 The LT4 camshaft GM#24502586 was designed to be used in a
number of different engines. Therefore, the following change may need
to be made to allow for correct assembly of engine.......
1) For LT1 and L98 engines 1995 and before, the dowel pin in the end
of the camshaft must be pushed in so extension from end of cam is .30"
+/- .01", the same as the production part.
On my 85 Camaro I am using the Fast Burn heads, Comp Cams Magnum 270H
cam (saving up for the HOT cam myself), Edelbrock Performer RPM
intake, amd Holley 3310 750CFM carb, Hooker Competition headers. I
wish my car was fuel injected like yours. All you should have to do
is port match your intake to the heads, that way it will flow better.
Hope this helps.
Michael
On Mon, 18 Sep 2000 21:06:47 GMT, ad...@asdf.com (Musashi) wrote:
>On Mon, 18 Sep 2000 19:17:39 GMT, theb...@worldnet.att.net (Michael
>Bloom) wrote:
>
>>For $/hp, forget the blower. The absolute KING of performance per
>>dollar is the GM Performance Parts Fast Burn heads with the HOT cam
>>kit. Looking at around $1500 for everything, won't stick up out of
>>your hood and make 430 VERY steetable and reliable hp. No blower is
>>gonna get you numbers like that for anywhere near that price!
>>Michael
>
> What exactly is being used to get 430 hp from an otherwise stock
>L98 engine? I thought the HOT cam was an LT1 package, anyway? And
>what about the intake system? It's still going to be quite
>restrictive, no matter what heads are used. I'm not saying you're
>wrong, but I've not heard this was possible on the 3rd gen cars before
>and am very interested in the idea.
>
>
Dragon
Hey man, why don't use some kind of aftermarket injection like Holley's
Pro-Jection II ? Popular Hot Rodding magazine tried it on a carburated '85
Mustang 5.0L and that gave good results. Don't know how it cost, thought...
"Michael Bloom" <theb...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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Michael Bloom
Pro-Jection $1000. Both too expensive for me at this time. :-( Mabye
someday!
Michael
On Tue, 19 Sep 2000 01:50:32 GMT, "Dragon" <mpdr...@sympatico.ca>
wrote:
Dragon
engines... :) only 3428.20$US on the Vortech's site... If I ever get the
cash for this, I will go for it... the problem is: the system cost is almost
the value of the car... :(
You haven't any other options, like trying to find a FI system of a younger
accidented Camaro?
"Michael Bloom" <theb...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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BottleBob
Michael Bloom wrote:
>
> For $/hp, forget the blower. The absolute KING of performance per
> dollar is the GM Performance Parts Fast Burn heads with the HOT cam
> kit. Looking at around $1500 for everything, won't stick up out of
> your hood and make 430 VERY steetable and reliable hp. No blower is
> gonna get you numbers like that for anywhere near that price!
Michael:
Actually, IMHO, the absolute KING of performance per dollar is nitrous
oxide. With a remote bottle opener you can go fast at a moment's notice
and be able to race that Vette that pulls up next to you. I mean, most
people don't drive flat out from EVERY light, so for intermittent use
nitrous may be the answer.
> Michael
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To have some concern
Musashi
Bloom) wrote:
>OK, see this link for starters: http://www.paceparts.com
>
>
>This is a quote about the HOT cam kit from that website:
>Note #1 The LT4 camshaft GM#24502586 was designed to be used in a
>number of different engines. Therefore, the following change may need
>to be made to allow for correct assembly of engine.......
>
>1) For LT1 and L98 engines 1995 and before, the dowel pin in the end
>of the camshaft must be pushed in so extension from end of cam is .30"
>+/- .01", the same as the production part.
Huh. Thanks. I didn't know if the HOT cam had a distributor
drive or any other problems. I know very little about the LT1
engines, and even less about the new GM parts interchangability.
>On my 85 Camaro I am using the Fast Burn heads, Comp Cams Magnum 270H
>cam (saving up for the HOT cam myself), Edelbrock Performer RPM
>intake, amd Holley 3310 750CFM carb, Hooker Competition headers. I
>wish my car was fuel injected like yours. All you should have to do
>is port match your intake to the heads, that way it will flow better.
lol! No, neither of my cars are FI. The daily driver runs low
11's on the bottle, mid 12's on the engine, and weighs in at two tons.
It's a small block, too. FI is nice, but carbs can make plenty of
power, and for much less cost as well.
Oh, port matching alone won't do much for intake flow.
>Hope this helps.
It certainly did. Thank you.
Dragon
"MadMaxx" <red...@charter.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Musashi" <ad...@asdf.com> wrote in message
> news:39c783a6...@news.mindspring.com...
>
> > What exactly is being used to get 430 hp from an otherwise stock
> > L98 engine? I thought the HOT cam was an LT1 package, anyway? And
> > what about the intake system? It's still going to be quite
> > restrictive, no matter what heads are used. I'm not saying you're
> > wrong, but I've not heard this was possible on the 3rd gen cars before
> > and am very interested in the idea.
>
Dragon
"Michael Bloom" <theb...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:39c66982...@news.telocity.com...
> For $/hp, forget the blower. The absolute KING of performance per
> dollar is the GM Performance Parts Fast Burn heads with the HOT cam
> kit. Looking at around $1500 for everything, won't stick up out of
> your hood and make 430 VERY steetable and reliable hp. No blower is
> gonna get you numbers like that for anywhere near that price!
> Michael
>
>
Michael Bloom
years ago. (He is an ASE certified Master Mechanic and has owned his
own shop for 40 years, and has raced for 50) He said that sure, he
would put Nirtous on my car, but then he said, 'But do you want to
work on it or ride in it?' And form my various friends experiences
with Nitrous, I see what he means!
I am sure that for weekend car or a race car, Nitrous is fine, but I
depend on my car to get me back and forth to work and school everyday.
Just a personal prefrence against Nitrous. :-)
Michael
On Tue, 19 Sep 2000 02:38:15 GMT, BottleBob <bott...@earthlink.net>
wrote:
BottleBob
Michael Bloom wrote:
>
> True you are, and I inquired my father in law about Nitrous about 5
> years ago. (He is an ASE certified Master Mechanic and has owned his
> own shop for 40 years, and has raced for 50) He said that sure, he
> would put Nirtous on my car, but then he said, 'But do you want to
> work on it or ride in it?' And form my various friends experiences
> with Nitrous, I see what he means!
Michael:
I don't know what your father-in-law's experience with nitrous is, or
what your various friend's experiences are, but IMO, nitrous is easier
on an engine than any other method of adding 125-150 HP. To increase
your HP that much on a normally aspirated engine entails increased
RPM's, more radical cam timing , maybe head work, etc. Using a
supercharger to get that 125-150 HP entails increased cylinder pressure
that the supercharger puts out, detonation which can destroy your
engine, is a constant concern in blown engines.
A high horsepower normally aspirated engine can be a cold blooded
engine that requires constant tuning and maintenance to retain it's peak
form.
A centrifugal or roots supercharged engine has to make much more than
125-150 HP to allow for the horsepower it takes to drive the
supercharger itself. This puts more load and wear on the engine.
Nitrous can be used with a stock engine and requires no tuning other
than to ensure there is adequate spark to fire the extra fuel/nitrous
cylinder charge. A nitrous engine doesn't usually require constant
tuning or maintenance. Since nitrous is an 'on-demand' system it
doesn't constantly load the engine as can a temperamental normally
aspirated or a supercharged engine.
Of course, the main drawback to nitrous is it's NOT being there ALL the
time, but the cost per HP equation of nitrous just cannot be beat.
> I am sure that for weekend car or a race car, Nitrous is fine, but I
> depend on my car to get me back and forth to work and school everyday.
> Just a personal prefrence against Nitrous. :-)
We all have our preferences, but it's usually best to ensure your
preferences are based on factual information and not emotional opinions
which may or may not be accurate.
> Michael
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Michael Bloom
absolutely smoke my car, however, he is on his third set of pistons
now from repeatedly blowing a hole in a piston when he leaned it out
using nitrous. He is giving the nitrous up now.
An acquantience (which I don't like at all) has blown up his Trans Am
about 4 times now on the juice.
My father in law had a friend with a Top Sportsman Nova with a $35,000
nitrous mountain motor. I have watched him destroy that engine more
than once. Of course I really doubt he knows how to drive it. He
raced Shannon Jenkins at the Darlington IHRA Winternationals, and not
only did he red-light, he blew it up to boot. Idiot. He needs to go
to Roy Hill's school if he is gonna drive an $80,000 car.
It is possible that all this may come because all of the engines were
bulit by the same guy. The guy with the Top Sportsman Nova. Mabye
he just pushes the nitrous too far. I don't know. All I do know is
what my father-in-law told me, and what I see around here. That's
what scares me. So no bottle for me.
Michael
On Wed, 20 Sep 2000 03:05:20 GMT, BottleBob <bott...@earthlink.net>
wrote:
BottleBob
Michael Bloom wrote:
>
> I have a good friend with a 350 S-10. When it runs, it will
> absolutely smoke my car, however, he is on his third set of pistons
> now from repeatedly blowing a hole in a piston when he leaned it out
> using nitrous. He is giving the nitrous up now.
Michael:
Leaning out doesn't happen often with big name commercial nitrous units
that have fuel pressure switches that shut off the nitrous when fuel
pressure drops.
> An acquantience (which I don't like at all) has blown up his Trans Am
> about 4 times now on the juice.
I've blown more than my share of engines, mainly because I was always
pushing the envelope in trying for maximum HP. A regular 125-150 HP
unit should give many years of trouble free service. I've used units
that flowed 16 times as much nitrous as a 125 HP unit. Obviously I
passed a law of diminishing returns in cramming nitrous in a big block,
where putting in more nitrous doesn't gain any horsepower.
> My father in law had a friend with a Top Sportsman Nova with a $35,000
> nitrous mountain motor. I have watched him destroy that engine more
> than once.
Like I said, if you're pushing the envelope you're going to lose a few
engines now and then, and Mountain Motor Top Sportsman racing is a place
where you NEED to be pushing the envelope constantly.
> Of course I really doubt he knows how to drive it. He
> raced Shannon Jenkins at the Darlington IHRA Winternationals, and not
> only did he red-light, he blew it up to boot. Idiot.
Red lights happen to virtually everyone that races and tries to improve
their leaving response.
> He needs to go
> to Roy Hill's school if he is gonna drive an $80,000 car.
Hill's school give you the basics, it certainly doesn't guarantee
success in all your racing endeavors.
> It is possible that all this may come because all of the engines were
> bulit by the same guy. The guy with the Top Sportsman Nova. Mabye
> he just pushes the nitrous too far. I don't know. All I do know is
> what my father-in-law told me, and what I see around here. That's
> what scares me. So no bottle for me.
Well... if you're uncomfortable with a certain technology it's
sometimes best you just leave it alone and go with what IS comfortable
for you.
> Michael
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>
I'm just affraid of something going haywire in the system and it leaning out
bigtime too man.
My new camaro's motor was build just for N20 (forged everything, lower
compression but ultra-stong head gaskets to account for raised pressure),
even has everything already maped out to install it, but it never was.
I'm thinking about it, but when I start getting faster and faster....my
daily driver seems to driving less than daily =P
I guess with a fuel cut-off switch, some monitoring equipment and a
reletivly low shot (100), it would be OK for a few strip runs....who knows.
MadMaxx