200mph possible?
Charlie Bendig
David John Havranek wrote:
>Does anyone know if 200mph is possible in a 3rd gen firebird?
If you have the Money, and want to run it on the salt flats, or a dry
lake bed, I think more that 250 could be done. I think it would require
a few body mods, but nothing major.
At 200+ MPH I would want a Aero winged T/A, not the regular winged one.
Call me crazy, but I think at that speen the diffrence in down force
would make a world of diffrence in traction.
About the 383 w/ blower, 383's usually dont live to well with them.
Charlie
David John Havranek
Does anyone know if 200mph is possible in a 3rd gen firebird? I am getting a
383 tpt built in the near future with the possiblity of a blower later on. I
think I need about 500hp or so. By the way the car is a 86 ta with a 3.08 rear
end and 700R4 trasmission
Mark A. Cochran
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>Does anyone know if 200mph is possible in a 3rd gen firebird?
Of course. 200MPH is possible from a VW Bug is you stuff enough engine
into it.
>I am getting a
>383 tpt built in the near future with the possiblity of a blower later on. I
>think I need about 500hp or so. By the way the car is a 86 ta with a 3.08 rear
>end and 700R4 trasmission
You won't make 200MPH with that combination. John Lingenfelter built a
'96 Corvette for _Car & Driver_ that ran over 200MPH. He used a fuelie
427 making over 600HP and an M6 tranny. Your car is significantly
heavier, and not geared nearly as well for a top speed run. I'd guess
you'll need close to 700HP with that car and transmission to reach
200MPH.
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GT55133
<<Does anyone know if 200mph is possible in a 3rd gen firebird? I am
getting a
383 tpt built in the near future with the possiblity of a blower later on.
I
think I need about 500hp or so. By the way the car is a 86 ta with a 3.08
rear
end and 700R4 trasmission>>
Car & Driver built a project TA to try this in the late 70s. They needed
like 800 hp, and blew the car up 3 times before they saw 200.
Greg
1969 Z/28 RS
The Camaro Homepage
www.holisticpage.com/camaro
GT5...@aol.com gmc...@holisticpage.com
24 hours in a day, 24 beers in a case. Coincidence?
Chuck Tomlinson
djh...@psu.edu (David John Havranek) wrote:
>Does anyone know if 200mph is possible in a 3rd gen firebird? I am getting a
>383 tpt built in the near future with the possiblity of a blower later on. I
>think I need about 500hp or so. By the way the car is a 86 ta with a 3.08 rear
>end and 700R4 trasmission
Car & Driver magazine did it with a '82-'83 Firebird (June '84
issue). The car went 204 mph on 611 hp.
--
Chuck Tomlinson
Carl Porter
David John Havranek wrote:
>
> Does anyone know if 200mph is possible in a 3rd gen firebird? I am getting a
> 383 tpt built in the near future with the possiblity of a blower later on. I
> think I need about 500hp or so. By the way the car is a 86 ta with a 3.08 rear
> end and 700R4 trasmission
Gale Banks produced a GTA the set the record, in 88 or 89 I think, at 267 mph. He came
back a few months later and went 277 mph. His stated goal is 300 and he selected the
3rd gen Firebird because it is aerodynamically clean and stable through 280. There are
article in Popular Mechanics & Hot Rod magazines on the effort. Gale Banks was using a
twin turbocharged 454 producing roughly 1600-1800 hp with a stated capability of 2200.
0to60
Chuck Tomlinson wrote:
> Car & Driver magazine did it with a '82-'83 Firebird (June '84
> issue). The car went 204 mph on 611 hp.
Check out the Car and Driver homepage. Editor Csaba Csere recently
attempted a record on the salt flats with I believe a 3rd gen car. He
flipped it many times and is lucky to be alive. They got an .avi of the
crash.
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Charlie Bendig
GT55133 wrote:
> <<Does anyone know if 200mph is possible in a 3rd gen firebird? I am
> getting a
>383 tpt built in the near future with the possiblity of a blower later
>on. I
> think I need about 500hp or so. By the way the car is a 86 ta with a
>3.08 rear end and 700R4 trasmission>>
>
> like 800 hp, and blew the car up 3 times before they saw 200.
> Greg
Ok I have been thinking about this. He has a 86 T/A, which has good
areodynamics to start with(better than a secound gen). Lets look at
weight, gearing, & therietical top speed in OD.
I dont know the exact weight of a 86 T/A but I will ballpark it at 3300.
He has picked 3.08 gears,with a TH700R4. Lets compair this to a TH200R4.
TH700 TH200
1st 3.06 2.74
2nd 1.62 1.57
3rd 1.00 1.00
4th .70 .67
With either one the car will need to be in 4th gear, at WOT which will
require a bypass valve for the kick down.
Now we need some one to take this info, play around with it, and figure
out how much hp and torque it will take to run 200 mph.
Charlie
Thunderbird
David John Havranek wrote:
>
> Does anyone know if 200mph is possible in a 3rd gen firebird? I am getting a
> 383 tpt built in the near future with the possiblity of a blower later on. I
> think I need about 500hp or so. By the way the car is a 86 ta with a 3.08 rear
> end and 700R4 trasmission
I remember one of the mags (Motor Trend, or Road&Track) did a 200MPH
firebird back in the mid 80's. You can probably find the article in a
library.
Thunderbird
Carl Porter
I ran the numbers through the Shift Master Program I have. He runs out
of gear at 174 mph. Adding more horses does nothing. This is with 457lb
torque at 4500 rpm and 483 hp at 6350. Increased hp to 700hp at 6500 rpm
same speed...
Lowered hp to 517 at 6000, changed rear end to a 2.45:1 it ran 213 mph.
Used .32cd with 20.3 frontal area, .4 lift coeff. Found an old ad that
said with the aero wheels cd drop to .29, ran that top speed still 213
but gets there 20,000 feet sooner.
Charlie Bendig
Carl Porter wrote:
>I ran the numbers through the Shift Master Program I have. He runs out
>of gear at 174 mph. Adding more horses does nothing. This is with 457lb
> same speed...
> Lowered hp to 517 at 6000,changed rear end to a 2.45:1 it ran 213 mph.
> Used .32cd with 20.3 frontal area, .4 lift coeff. Found an old ad that
> said with the aero wheels cd drop to .29, ran that top speed still 213
> but gets there 20,000 feet sooner.
Carl
This is exactly the info the guy needs. I know if I gave some one the
tranny gear ratios, and they knew the final drive ratios that they could
come up with a anser, but you came up with more than that, you gave a
better anser than any one could have hoped for.
Charlie
GT55133
Carl Porter wrote:
>I ran the numbers through the Shift Master Program I have. He runs out
>of gear at 174 mph. Adding more horses does nothing. This is with 457lb
>torque at 4500 rpm and 483 hp at 6350.Increased hp to 700hp at 6500 rpm
> same speed...
> Lowered hp to 517 at 6000,changed rear end to a 2.45:1 it ran 213 mph.
> Used .32cd with 20.3 frontal area, .4 lift coeff. Found an old ad that
> said with the aero wheels cd drop to .29, ran that top speed still 213
> but gets there 20,000 feet sooner.
Where did you find this program?
icor...@aol.com
>Check out the Car and Driver homepage. Editor Csaba Csere recently
>attempted a record on the salt flats with I believe a 3rd gen car. He
>flipped it many times and is lucky to be alive. They got an .avi of the
>crash.
That attempt was made in John Lingenfelter's 4th gen, black, 383 formula - you know, the car that was in all those shootouts including the one where it topped 190mph in the top speed shootout. I've forgotten exactly what went wrong. Maybe Mr. Csere got a little nervous?
Ilario
'93 Firehawk
Chuck Tomlinson
Carl Porter
GT55133 wrote:
>
> Where did you find this program?
> Greg
I found surfing the net around all the auto performance part/race pages. Unfortunately
don't know if I could find my way back.......
icor...@aol.com
>>That attempt was made in John Lingenfelter's 4th gen, black, 383 formula -
>you
>> know, the car that was in all those shootouts including the one where it
>> topped 190mph in the top speed shootout. I've forgotten exactly what went
>> wrong. Maybe Mr. Csere got a little nervous?
>
>Different car.
>
>For the story, check http://www.caranddriver.com/member/exclusive/
>--
>Chuck Tomlinson
Same car. Different engine.
Ilario
'93 Firehawk
Bruce Augenstein
You can get this shareware program at:
http://www.ultranet.com/~shftmstr/
Its primary focus is drag racing, but it will just as easily give you
top speeds, as it keeps track of all the data necessary. It has
extraordinary "tunability", including driver skills (i.e. - launch
techniques, shift times, and a choice of powershifting or normally
shifting each gear).
I am enthusiastic about this program partly because I had a hand in its
development (input and output data, and most of the "help", which I am
updating), but also because Eric Goehl, the guy who actually wrote all
of the code, is an avid racer as well as computer type.
No, I don't share in any of the shareware proceeds, and have no
financial interest at all in the product.
Bruce
Nick Horianopoulos
Jeffy:
Where ya been, you old punk?
--
Nick Horianopoulos
"If you're gonna make her sing Rossini, vulcanize your genie!"
'97 Trans-Am, slightly hotted up, '86 Dodge Mini-Ram 4x4 (Mitsubishi)
Winter Beater (bone stock), '96 Suzuki DR350S, very hotted up, web site
at:
http://www.concentric.net/~greek/
elix...@aol.com
Carl Porter writes:
>I ran the numbers through the Shift Master Program I have. He runs out
>of gear at 174 mph. Adding more horses does nothing. This is with 457lb
>torque at 4500 rpm and 483 hp at 6350. Increased hp to 700hp at 6500 rpm
>same speed...
>Lowered hp to 517 at 6000, changed rear end to a 2.45:1 it ran 213 mph.
>Used .32cd with 20.3 frontal area, .4 lift coeff. Found an old ad that
>said with the aero wheels cd drop to .29, ran that top speed still 213
>but gets there 20,000 feet sooner.
I ran similar numbers with some aero-weenie software I've got designed for
aircraft fuselages. My numbers come out a bit different than yours, but they
are in the same ballpark. In my simulation says 200 mph takes 445hp with .32 cd and 20 f/a.
Grins...
Jeff
Charlie Bendig
elix...@aol.com wrote:
> Oh yeah. Somebody slap Virgin Bruce for me. No real reason. Its
> just that he gets lonely if he doesn't have anyone shooting at him!
I would, but like I aint seen hide nor hair of him in a while..
Charlie
elix...@aol.com
Nick Horianopoulos <gr...@concentric.net> writes:
>Jeffy:
>Where ya been, you old punk?
Nick:
I've been feeding my lawyers, beating the cat, and generally trying
to reclaim my spare time by playing "catch-up" in a *bunch* of
different arenas. Been racing ThunderBunny too! With a little luck
I'll be back heckling you turkeys full-time in a week or two.
Oh yeah. Somebody slap Virgin Bruce for me. No real reason. Its
just that he gets lonely if he doesn't have anyone shooting at him!
Ya got that blower on your ride yet, Nicky?
Grins...
Jeff
BrianCh302
I had the program downloaded but it didn't work. Where was it located
again on the net. Can't find the old posting where it says. Please send
your reply to my email address. Thanks
Nick Horianopoulos
elix...@aol.com wrote:
>
snip
> Oh yeah. Somebody slap Virgin Bruce for me. No real reason. Its
> just that he gets lonely if he doesn't have anyone shooting at him!
>
No problem: <SLAP!) I'll bus' some caps at that worthless jarhead's :@)
ass, too, if'n ya want me to!
> Ya got that blower on your ride yet, Nicky?
>
> Grins...
> Jeff
Not gonna happen, Jeffy, you old punk. I bought a whole new ride with
the coin instead, a 1986 Mitsubishi/Dodge Ram 4WD P/U truck, for winter
beater/Camping/haul the DR350SE to Moab/4-Wheelin' fun. Spent only
$2100, anda damn Vortech woulda cost me $2200 more with install.
My biggest problem is that I cannot justify exercising my God-given
right to turn a wrench on a car as new as the T/A, so I'll have fun
getting the truck to run properly (ooooh, I get to rebuild the carb and
put in plugs and do tuneups and change oil!)
Oh, good news, I found out that I can work on my truck in my garage and
outside, when weather permits. I had a mistaken impression that I
couldn't but my landlord said I was OK, so soon, I'll be turning a
big-time wrench with my new old truck. You punks might not see me much
around here this weekend as a result.
MBarth666
hey are you looking for 200 by the end of the quarter or the eighth mile
the latter is not posible for you any way. with enough nos any thing is
posible. but i dont think the human body can stand up to 200 mph by the
end of the 1/8 mile i think your retnas in your eyes start to seperate.
Googolplex
MBarth666 (mbar...@aol.com) wrote:
: hey are you looking for 200 by the end of the quarter or the eighth mile
: the latter is not posible for you any way. with enough nos any thing is
: posible. but i dont think the human body can stand up to 200 mph by the
: end of the 1/8 mile i think your retnas in your eyes start to seperate.
I believe "funny cars" based on F-Body styling have gone over 200 MPH in the
quarter mile. And no, the human body CAN withstand acceleration for short
periods of time greater than that needed to go 200 MPH in the 1/8th.
N2O (not NOS) is not used for this type of power; nor is "anything possible"
with it.
By golly...is anything you wrote correct?!
Chuck Tomlinson
mbar...@aol.com (MBarth666) wrote:
>hey are you looking for 200 by the end of the quarter or the eighth mile
>the latter is not posible for you any way. with enough nos any thing is
>posible. but i dont think the human body can stand up to 200 mph by the
>end of the 1/8 mile i think your retnas in your eyes start to seperate.
If a race car had constant acceleration through a 300 mph QM run,
the 1/8 mile speed would be 212 mph. Since acceleration is higher
in the first 1/8 mile, the actual 1/8 mile speed in a 300 mph run is
closer to 250 mph.
--
Chuck Tomlinson
Jw32375
YES! YES! YES!
Hot Rod magazine was at the Bonneville Salt Flats top speed contest last
year. A 3rd gen, street legal Camaro took first place in the street legal
division. The car topped out at 200+m.p.h. with an automatic trans (I
think) and the car was equipped with air conditioning. If I remember
correctly the Camaro had a twin turbo charged small block in it.
Contact Hot Rod magazine for details.
Elwood P. Dowd
tested were an Acura NSXt, Toyota Supra, Porsche 911 Turbo AWD, a
Ferrari, a Lotus turbo, a Chevrolet Corvette, and a Dodge Viper coupe.
All cars were bone stock, and the Viper was the clear winner, by a
comfortable margin. Oddly enough, Secret Agent Boy, no Firedirds or
Camaros qualified for the test. Hmmmmmmmm. ;-]
Markus Strobl
Elwood P. Dowd wrote:
> MotorTrendTV did a high speed test about a week ago. Among the cars
> tested were an Acura NSXt, Toyota Supra, Porsche 911 Turbo AWD, a
> Ferrari, a Lotus turbo, a Chevrolet Corvette, and a Dodge Viper coupe.
> All cars were bone stock, and the Viper was the clear winner, by a
> comfortable margin. Oddly enough, Secret Agent Boy, no Firedirds or
> Camaros qualified for the test. Hmmmmmmmm. ;-]
True, a stock Firebird/Camaro is not as fast as a porsche 911 turbo,
or a Viper GTS. However, Road & Track did a top speed test of a
lingenfelter firebird (naturally aspirated 383), and it did a whopping
193mph! That's faster than the viper GTS (187) and the porshe turbo
(182). And the TOTAL price for the lingenfelter car (all the mods
plus a car to begin with) is $45k. Compare that to the $75k for
the viper and $100k+ for the porsche.
No matter what camaro/firebird you want (stock or modified) it is
STILL the bargain of the century!
BTW, a stock Z28 is good for 155 mph, and a firebird LT1 157. Not
bad for a car that costs less than a loaded honda accord!
--
Markus Strobl 1996 Z28 6-Speed, Black/grph, Various Mods
12.91 @108.05 380hp/406ft-lbs
Dallas, Texas http://www.allinfosys.com/fbody/markus.htm
Christian Millard
Nick-
Nice page man, Where can I get a Vortech Supercharger for $2200? I've
been thinking about one for a while- would you recommend this one?
Thanks in advance- Christian
--
http://www.cstone.net/~cmillard ............licence plate: Z28 D (I'm a
Chevy Z28 Dealer)
1995 Camaro Z28 Convertible- (Crutchfield's Poster Car
http://www.crutchfield.com)
Bright Red, 17" OZ wheels/Dunlop SP 8000, Arizona Speed Intake w/ K&N,
Flowmaster Exhaust
Hypertech Power Programmed,Eibach Springs, 3-point Strut Brace.
Christian Millard
Nick Horianopoulos
Christian Millard wrote:
>
> Nick-
> Nice page man,
Thanks.
> Where can I get a Vortech Supercharger for $2200? I've
> been thinking about one for a while- would you recommend this one?
Christian, only in your dreams :@)! I think that the cheapest (standard)
price I had seen for the Vortech unit was in the $3400 range, with the
F-Body mailing list group purchase price going down to something like
$2900. Who remembers how much this sucker was?
> Thanks in advance- Christian
> --
Nick Horianopoulos
Joel Sprowls
Sorry buddy, gonna have to call you on this one! This is the second time
you have referred to nitrous oxide as N2O. I am sure what you meant to say
NO2. Not a flame, just a correction.
Joel
Chuck Tomlinson
Wrong. NO2 is nitrogen dioxide (a brown gas). N2O is dinitrogen
monoxide, or nitrous oxide (a colorless gas). Source: _General
Chemistry_, 5th ed, Ralph Petrucci.
--
Chuck Tomlinson
Patrick Gattafoni
Nick Horianopoulos wrote:
> Christian, only in your dreams :@)! I think that the cheapest (standard)
> price I had seen for the Vortech unit was in the $3400 range, with the
> F-Body mailing list group purchase price going down to something like
> $2900. Who remembers how much this sucker was?
Nick, didn't you just know I was gonna know the answer to your
question!! :)
Surf on over to this place:
http://www.challenger.net/performancess/index.htm
They are the shop which is doing the current Vortech GP, and it is
selling for $2410 for the LT1 f-bodies!! Nick, you can't let this one
slip through your fingers yet again! :) If you want your car to be a
serious challenger against my 2.73 flyer, then you've got to do the
Vortech now before Memphis! :)
Like the Nike ad says Nick, JUST DO IT! :)
Patrick Gattafoni
95 Trans Am-Polo Green-2.73 A4
T-roofs, leather, CD, small spoiler
Eibachs, Comp TA ZRs, HPP+, K+N FIPK, Mobil 1
13.94 at 98.8mph (bone stock time before mods)
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Downs/1320/
Memphis #1320
(more Nick beating mods on the way!) :)
Mark A. Cochran
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elix...@aol.com
Chuck;
I have a little demonstration we can use to drive your point home. You
inhale the N2O (giggle-giggle) and Joel will inhale the N02 (cough-snort-
wheeze-vomit "say is that my lung?").
Methinks the point will be learndt most righteously!
Grins...
Jeff
Lee Jackson
Googolplex wrote:
>
> Mark A. Cochran (coc...@netcom.com) wrote:
>
> : Please, don't anyone actually do this. N2O intended for non-medical
> : use is adulterated. Inhaling it will cause you no end of discomfort,
> : and can be dangerous.
> : Other than that minor nit, I think it's a grand idea. :)
>
> Lately, the speed shops can only get the 100 parts per million SO2 adulterated
> nitrous. It is theorized that the SO2 might provide an un-healthy acidic
> environment for the engine internals, as well as for people, but that's all we
> can get (used to fill our bottles with medical grade).
>
> By the way, non-medical N2O for food purposes (whip cream, etc.) is not
> adulterated, though I doubt it's held to the same standards as anesthetic
> nitrous.
>
> goog...@ripco.com
Having worked for a compressed gas distributor I can tell you that there
is no difference between N20 for whipped cream and the like and N20 for
medical use. It is *all* medical grade, the only thing that determines
its usage is where it is shipped ie. hospital or restaurant. There are
specialty grades available, Ultra High Purity, for example, but the
stuff you find in the restaurant kitchen is the same as what you find in
the operating room.
Charlie Bendig
Googolplex wrote:
>By the way, non-medical N2O for food purposes (whip cream, etc.) is not
> nitrous.
Ahhh Good Ol' Ready Whip... 101 uses... All of them fun fun fun...
Charlie
Brent Franker
Patrick Gattafoni <ga...@pathcom.com> wrote
> They are the shop which is doing the current Vortech GP, and it is
> selling for $2410 for the LT1 f-bodies!! Nick, you can't let this one
> slip through your fingers yet again! :) If you want your car to be a
> serious challenger against my 2.73 flyer, then you've got to do the
> Vortech now before Memphis! :)
>
I'm going to have to unsubscribe from that damn f-body mailing list! It is
starting to cost me way too much money. I was able to grit my teeth and
keep my wallet in my pocket during that last Vortech gp but they had to go
and do another one!!! I don't know if I am going to be able to keep my
composure this time. What do I need a supercharger for??? I should invest
that money... but that's no fun... the supercharger would be soooo much
fun... and it's such a great deal... and I might get hit by a truck
tomorrow so why bother investing!! ARRGGHH!! I'm beginning to lean in a
direction that is not going to be good on the old pocket book :)
Just do it Nick!! Buy them *all* so I don't end up buying another toy I
don't need! (If ya can't tell, I'm single. My girlfriend and I broke up
about 6 months ago and the money that I used to spend on her, I've been
spending on "toys" for myself. You know something, the toys don't even
bitch! :)
See ya,
Brent
94Z supercharged???
Mark A. Cochran
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>
>>"Joel Sprowls" <z...@swbell.net> wrote:
>>>Sorry buddy, gonna have to call you on this one! This is the second time
>>>you have referred to nitrous oxide as N2O. I am sure what you meant to say
>>>NO2. Not a flame, just a correction.
>>
>>Wrong. NO2 is nitrogen dioxide (a brown gas). N2O is dinitrogen
>>monoxide, or nitrous oxide (a colorless gas). Source: _General
>>Chemistry_, 5th ed, Ralph Petrucci.
>
>Chuck;
>I have a little demonstration we can use to drive your point home. You
>inhale the N2O (giggle-giggle) and Joel will inhale the N02 (cough-snort-
>wheeze-vomit "say is that my lung?").
>
Please, don't anyone actually do this. N2O intended for non-medical
use is adulterated. Inhaling it will cause you no end of discomfort,
and can be dangerous.
Other than that minor nit, I think it's a grand idea. :)
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Joel Sprowls
OK, I was wrong to not do research on the topic. Sorry that I corrected
you when you were right! About the "great un-washed", I thought that it
was rude to post a reply with the old text included. But what the hell do
I know. I just going to go and breathe some NO2 for a while (sob sob).
Joel
Here is your text... (Microsoft News Reader actually tells me that this is
rude (how rude!))
Googolplex <goog...@ripco.com> wrote in article
<5g0jvb$ip6$6...@gail.ripco.com>...
> Joel Sprowls (z...@swbell.net) wrote:
> : Sorry buddy, gonna have to call you on this one! This is the second
time
> : you have referred to nitrous oxide as N2O. I am sure what you meant to
say
> : NO2. Not a flame, just a correction.
>
> : Joel
>
> Well, here's a flame, and a correction: You're wrong, and you're foolish
not
> to look it up in your chemistry books, or your local library. Or, call
> Nitrous Oxide Systems, or any of the other N2O suppliers. (NO2 is called
> nitric oxide, not nitrous oxide)
>
> By the way, any special reason you joined the "great un-washed" around
> here...with no posting of the text that you're replying to? And,
starting a
> new thread to boot?
>
> goog...@ripco.com
>
>
Joel Sprowls
OK, OK, ahhhhhh the flames! Forgive my ignorance. I was wrong. Your
reply was rather amusing though!
Joel
Googolplex
Mark A. Cochran (coc...@netcom.com) wrote:
: Please, don't anyone actually do this. N2O intended for non-medical
: use is adulterated. Inhaling it will cause you no end of discomfort,
: and can be dangerous.
: Other than that minor nit, I think it's a grand idea. :)
Lately, the speed shops can only get the 100 parts per million SO2 adulterated
nitrous. It is theorized that the SO2 might provide an un-healthy acidic
environment for the engine internals, as well as for people, but that's all we
can get (used to fill our bottles with medical grade).
By the way, non-medical N2O for food purposes (whip cream, etc.) is not
adulterated, though I doubt it's held to the same standards as anesthetic
nitrous.
Googolplex
Joel Sprowls (z...@swbell.net) wrote:
: OK, OK, ahhhhhh the flames! Forgive my ignorance. I was wrong. Your
: reply was rather amusing though!
: Joel
Joel, I don't think you were referring to me. That's the point about text...
to whom are you referring? Nobody knows (except you).
Mark A. Cochran
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>Mark A. Cochran (coc...@netcom.com) wrote:
>
>: Please, don't anyone actually do this. N2O intended for non-medical
>: use is adulterated. Inhaling it will cause you no end of discomfort,
>: and can be dangerous.
>: Other than that minor nit, I think it's a grand idea. :)
>
>Lately, the speed shops can only get the 100 parts per million SO2 adulterated
>nitrous. It is theorized that the SO2 might provide an un-healthy acidic
>environment for the engine internals, as well as for people, but that's all we
>can get
Bering in mind that I'm not a N2O user, all I can go by is what I've
read, but what I've read indicates that the tiny amount of SO2 in the
N2O doesn't hurt anything, it just makes it extremely difficult to
abuse (inhale) the nitrous.
>(used to fill our bottles with medical grade).
>
And I still can. That's the *real* reason I went to med school, you
know. ;-)
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Chuck Tomlinson
coc...@netcom.com (Mark A. Cochran) wrote:
> <elix...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>I have a little demonstration we can use to drive your point home. You
>>inhale the N2O (giggle-giggle) and Joel will inhale the N02 (cough-snort-
>>wheeze-vomit "say is that my lung?").
>>
>use is adulterated. Inhaling it will cause you no end of discomfort,
>and can be dangerous.
That adulteration will get you divorced, too --> more discomfort :-)
--
Chuck Tomlinson
Googolplex
: know. ;-)
Hmmmmmmm...now I know why you're always laughing!
Lee Jackson
Googolplex wrote:
>
> Lee Jackson (1861...@ANV.com) wrote:
> : Having worked for a compressed gas distributor I can tell you that there
> : is no difference between N20 for whipped cream and the like and N20 for
> : medical use. It is *all* medical grade, the only thing that determines
> : its usage is where it is shipped ie. hospital or restaurant. There are
> : specialty grades available, Ultra High Purity, for example, but the
> : stuff you find in the restaurant kitchen is the same as what you find in
> : the operating room.
>
> such as High Times about the purity of N2O cartridges. One school of thought
> has it that the food-grade stuff is "less filtered"...organic debris, etc.
>
> goog...@ripco.com
If you are referring to some sort of disposable container when you say
"cartridges", I must admit I don't know about them. I do know about the
standard steel and aluminum reusable cylinders. They are all filled from
the same manifold and all the purity is the same, unless a specialty
grade is ordered. Often times, the specialty grade is the same as the
regular stuff, the only difference being that it is actually tested
individually and labeled as to its actual purity for that individual
cylinder.
CEI JR
In the late 80's, Gary Eaker drove a Firebird with Lingenfelder small
block 296 mph at Bonneville w/ two way average of 293. It was lowered and
mirrors removed, but otherwise stock. It ran in Fuel class because N2O was
used not into the intake, but to cool the intercooler. Gary was a GM
aerodynamicist at the time, but is now doing aerodynamic R & D for Rick
Hendricks team.
CE...@AOL.COM
Nick Horianopoulos
Brent Franker wrote:
>
> Patrick Gattafoni <ga...@pathcom.com> wrote
>
> > They are the shop which is doing the current Vortech GP, and it is
> > selling for $2410 for the LT1 f-bodies!! Nick, you can't let this one
> > slip through your fingers yet again! :)
> Just do it Nick!! Buy them *all* so I don't end up buying another toy I
> don't need! (If ya can't tell, I'm single. My girlfriend and I broke up
> about 6 months ago and the money that I used to spend on her, I've been
> spending on "toys" for myself. You know something, the toys don't even
> bitch! :)
>
> See ya,
> Brent
> 94Z supercharged???
No, no, NO! I will NOT buy a supercharger, I will NOT buy a supercharger
I will NOT buy a supercharger...
If I keep saying it, I can ignore the Gp price and stay NA, and solvent.
BTW, we should start a "top ten" thread on why superchargers are better
than women...
10. You can put your foot down, no backtalk, and it's guaranteed that
you'll get blown!
9. You like getting pressure from a supercharger.
8. Sure, it's expensive, and yes, it's consumptive, but for the most
part, a supercharger won't break your heart. :@(
7. Superchargers never ask you, "You're wearing THAT to the party?"
6. No In-laws
5. A woman's whine means you're a miscreant slob, a supercharger's whine
means you just trashed that 911 in the left lane.
4. A supercharger will only skin your knuckles going in, not your
johnson.
3. A supercharger won't bitch at you if you're driving too fast.
2. A supercharger increases the volumetric efficiency of your motor, a
woman increases the credit limit on your Visa card.
1. No periods
I'm wearing my asbestos pants, if any of your wives or GFs come into the
room and see this...
--
Nick Horianopoulos
"If you're gonna make her sing Rossini, vulcanize your genie!"
'97 Trans-Am "The Prom Queen", slightly hotted up
'86 Dodge D-50 4x4 "The Prom Queen's Ugly Sister" (bone stock)
MBarth666
i am sure that you could find the compressor unit it's self for that price
but to do the job right with a boost timing retard system should run
between 3000 and 3500 for a paxton in a 3rd gen.
Nick Horianopoulos
Googolplex wrote:
>
> MBarth666 (mbar...@aol.com) wrote:
> : i am sure that you could find the compressor unit it's self for that price
> : but to do the job right with a boost timing retard system should run
> : between 3000 and 3500 for a paxton in a 3rd gen.
>
> "expert."
>
> goog...@ripco.com
Thanks, Googs, I knew I could trust you when you finally defer to magnet
of mechanical knowledge, MBarth666. He's the paragon of f-body
brilliance!
--
Nick Horianopoulos
"A Democrat is a Republican that hasen't been mugged yet"
'97 Trans-Am "The Prom Queen", slightly hotted up
'86 Dodge D-50 Power Ram 4x4 "The Prom Queen's Ugly Sister" (bone stock)
Nick Horianopoulos
Googolplex wrote:
>
> MBarth666 (mbar...@aol.com) wrote:
> : i am sure that you could find the compressor unit it's self for that price
> : but to do the job right with a boost timing retard system should run
> : between 3000 and 3500 for a paxton in a 3rd gen.
>
> See Nick! You're in trouble now...get the full scoop from AOL's resident
> "expert."
>
> goog...@ripco.com
Thanks, Googs, I knew I could trust you when you finally defer to that
elix...@aol.com
>
>10. You can put your foot down, no backtalk, and it's guaranteed that
>you'll get blown!
>9. You like getting pressure from a supercharger.
>8. Sure, it's expensive, and yes, it's consumptive, but for the most
>part, a supercharger won't break your heart. :@(
>7. Superchargers never ask you, "You're wearing THAT to the party?"
>6. No In-laws
>5. A woman's whine means you're a miscreant slob, a supercharger's whine
>means you just trashed that 911 in the left lane.
>4. A supercharger will only skin your knuckles going in, not your
>johnson.
>3. A supercharger won't bitch at you if you're driving too fast.
>2. A supercharger increases the volumetric efficiency of your motor, a
>woman increases the credit limit on your Visa card.
>1. No periods
Nicky... I laughed so hard at this I nearly pee'd my pants! This got printed
and is now pinned to the wall in my office.
Thanks for a good giggle!
Grins...
Jeff
Patrick Gattafoni
elix...@aol.com wrote:
> Nicky... I laughed so hard at this I nearly pee'd my pants! This got printed
> and is now pinned to the wall in my office.
>
> Thanks for a good giggle!
>
> Grins...
> Jeff
Ya, Nick is good for something once in a while after all! :)
PS-Good to see ya back here Jeff my friend, where the hell've you been?
elix...@aol.com
Lee Jackson <1861...@ANV.com> writes:
>Having worked for a compressed gas distributor I can tell you that there
>is no difference between N20 for whipped cream and the like and N20 for
>medical use. It is *all* medical grade, the only thing that determines
>its usage is where it is shipped ie. hospital or restaurant. There are
>specialty grades available, Ultra High Purity, for example, but the
>stuff you find in the restaurant kitchen is the same as what you find in
>the operating room.
Lee;
There are a couple of things different between the "Food Grade" and "Medical Grade" N20:
1). Medical grade N20 is *supposed* to be filtered to 2 microns both during the bottle filling and during the release to the patient.
2). Medical grade bottles get hydrostatically tested every 2 years.
3). Medical bottles have a totally different fitting and manifold arrangement than their food-grade cousins.
4). Medical bottles have different labeling requirements and (I believe) are subject to different FDA classifications than food-grade N20.
I realize this stuff is really splitting hairs, but there are a couple of differences.
Grins...
Jeff
Nick Horianopoulos
Patrick Gattafoni wrote:
>
snip
>
> Ya, Nick is good for something once in a while after all! :)
>
> PS-Good to see ya back here Jeff my friend, where the hell've you been?
>
> Patrick Gattafoni
Yea, Crybaby, I'm gonna be good for showing you a sweet set of tail
lights at Memphis, you worthless furriner!
--
Nick Horianopoulos
"A Democrat is a Republican that has not been mugged yet"
Nick Horianopoulos
elix...@aol.com wrote:
>
snip
>
> Nicky... I laughed so hard at this I nearly pee'd my pants! This got printed
> and is now pinned to the wall in my office.
>
> Thanks for a good giggle!
>
> Grins...
> Jeff
Any time Jeffy, any time!
elix...@aol.com
Patrick Gattafoni <ga...@pathcom.com> writes:
> Ya, Nick is good for something once in a while after all! :)
> PS-Good to see ya back here Jeff my friend, where the hell've you been?
Pat;
Been racin', rubbin', and runnin'! :)
Lots of business stuff has been keeping me from the group. Hopefully, things will calm down a bit in the next couple of weeks.
Thanks for asking!
Grins...
Jeff
Patrick Gattafoni
Nick Horianopoulos wrote:
> Yea, Crybaby, I'm gonna be good for showing you a sweet set of tail
> lights at Memphis, you worthless furriner!
You talk the talk Nick, we'll just have to see if you can walk the
walk!! :)
Have you gotten your registration in for Memphis yet or what?
Patrick Gattafoni
elix...@aol.com wrote:
> Been racin', rubbin', and runnin'! :)
> Lots of business stuff has been keeping me from the group. Hopefully, things will calm down a bit in the next couple of weeks.
>
> Thanks for asking!
Well it's good to see ya back ole buddy, the group has really gone to
the shits without you around to keep us in line! :)