If you are speaking of the newer 4th-gen cars, it's just the rectangular
exhaust extentions. That's it. In fact, if one were to put a Z28 exhaust
and emblems on an otherwise stock V6 Camaro with factory aluminum
wheels, it would, for all intents and purposes, look outwardly identical
to a factory stock Z28.
I wonder if these ersatz Z28s are where some 4.6 Mustang GT owners are
getting the idea that they have faster cars.
>Apart from the Z28 stickers, what visual differences are there between the
>V6 and V8 Camaros?
Besides the badges and exhaust, the only visable difference is the speedometer.
One's 120 mph...the other is 150 mph.
Pat
'97 Camaro SS #1445
Rick Tan wrote in message ...
>Apart from the Z28 stickers, what visual differences are there between the
>V6 and V8 Camaros?
There really aren't many visual differences that can't be covered with an
option package, I think. SS has the hood scoop and badges, Z28 has the
badges, and the 'sports appearance' package has all the extra side moldings
and effects (should've gotten the 'RS' badge too). The V6 is the perfect
way to get a Camaro on a tight budget.
The *real* differences are the things you can't see ...
Reaver
'98 Navy Blue Metallic Z28, PEG1, A4,
T-Tops, Dk Gray Leather, Power, 3.23Axle, 12CD Monsoon
Rick Tan wrote in message ...
>Apart from the Z28 stickers, what visual differences are there between the
>V6 and V8 Camaros?
Tire sizes too I believe...
The Z's come standard with 245/50ZR-16's...
And the V6 Camaro's come with 215/60R-16's standard, with an option for
235/55R-16's.
Assuming 4th gen,
All Z-28s have actual wheels where some V6s have hub caps. So, if you see a
Camaro with hub caps, it has to be a V6.
There was also something different about the roof color. I believe in 93
and 94 (and maybe 95 but not sure) you could only get a Z with a black roof
and all the non t-top V6 Camaros came with a roof color that matched the
body color. In 96 (maybe 95) and later GM provided the option on the Z
where you did not have to have the black roof but could have the roof match
the rest of the car. I'm not real sure on the specifics about this, so if
I'm wrong or don't have all the information, somebody please correct me :)
The exhaust differences have already been mentioned.
See ya,
Brent
95 T/A - Stock For mods & info
94 Z28 - Not Stock :-) http://www.citrus.infi.net/~bfranker
Brent Franker wrote in message <6jdk4u$mte$1...@nw003t.infi.net>...
>Rick Tan wrote in message ...
>>Apart from the Z28 stickers, what visual differences are there between the
>In 96 (maybe 95) and later GM provided the option on the Z
>where you did not have to have the black roof but could have the roof match
>the rest of the car. I'm not real sure on the specifics about this, so if
>I'm wrong or don't have all the information, somebody please correct me :)
>See ya,
>Brent
>95 T/A - Stock For mods & info
>94 Z28 - Not Stock :-) http://www.citrus.infi.net/~bfranker
>
>
My '95 Z has same color roof (and mirrors, etc.) the option was called
"Monochromatic paint" I think. I know it was offered on 95's and up, but
not sure about pre-95's. hehe... just thought of something... lemme check my
Camaro White book :)... Ok, '95 was first year, and it was RPO D82
Monochromatic Roof Paint.
Later!
X-Caliber
'95 Z28, fully loaded and still stock...
but not for long :)
>Rick Tan wrote:
>>
>> Apart from the Z28 stickers, what visual differences are there between the
>> V6 and V8 Camaros?
>
>If you are speaking of the newer 4th-gen cars, it's just the rectangular
>exhaust extentions. That's it. In fact, if one were to put a Z28 exhaust
>and emblems on an otherwise stock V6 Camaro with factory aluminum
>wheels, it would, for all intents and purposes, look outwardly identical
>to a factory stock Z28.
>
>I wonder if these ersatz Z28s are where some 4.6 Mustang GT owners are
>getting the idea that they have faster cars.
I pulled into Pepboys the other day and saw a beautiful black Z28 with
Borla's, Blackouts front and back, tined windows, 17inch Rims and
Tires and were talking some expensive looking rims, the style where
their deeper dish in the rear than they are in the front although the
tire width is the same. Nice looking tires, etc. I asked the
cashier if it belonged to one of the employees here and he said well
it's not a Z28. I said sure the black one right there. He said nahh
it's a v6 camaro. I was like really??? When I got back in my car
and drove around it I'm thinking that the owner either has wasted a
ton of money on a V6 or pulled the Z28 badges off and is trying to
pass his Z as a Sleeper v6 Camaro.
I've always hoped for a distinctive looking Z28 over the V6 camaro,
maybe all Z28's had different rims or the front end had something a
little different but I can see where it's in GM's best interest to
make them identical other than the badging. MORE SALES!
Brian Davis
Jacksonville, FL -
1995 Z28, A4, 3.23's, B&M Transpak ShiftKit Stage 2
Flowmaster Catback Exhaust, K&N FIPK, TPI AirFoil, Relocated IAT
Bypassed TB, Mobil 1 synthetic Fluids, Cooling Fan Switch.
I've always thought GM reversed the Z-28 and RS models styling -wise (that's
what originally sold me on the F-1 package), but I don't mind one bit having
people confuse my car for a V-6. You'd be surprised at how many people
automatically assume that anything with the RS ground effects is a V-6. Lots
of Z's won't bother at first without a little "encouragement". I used to get
quite a few seemingly stock 4.6's that wanted to play though, and I assume it's
because they thought I was an easy target...and I like that. ;-)
I haven't been able to get anyone to play since adding the supercharger though,
but I can just imagine their surprise if they think it's a supercharged V-6.
;)
I have to admit I've been fooled before too though. One night last summer I
was cruising around when my car was fairly stock(just the basic little
bolt-ons) and came across a 4.6 Mustang that appeared/sounded stock. Wanting
to beat my chest I teased him for awhile and finally riled him up, then he
proceeded to rip me a new one...afterwards he confessed he had a
supercharger(Powerdyne "Silent Drive one), headers, exhuast and
gears...suckered me in. :-)
Brian
'95 F-1 Camaro ---> http://members.aol.com/suprtek/index.html
Southern California F-body Home ---> http://www.thirdwave.net/~jcmier/scfbody/
> I pulled into Pepboys the other day and saw a beautiful black Z28 with
> Borla's, Blackouts front and back, tined windows, 17inch Rims and
> Tires and were talking some expensive looking rims, the style where
> their deeper dish in the rear than they are in the front although the
> tire width is the same. Nice looking tires, etc. I asked the
> cashier if it belonged to one of the employees here and he said well
> it's not a Z28. I said sure the black one right there. He said nahh
> it's a v6 camaro. I was like really??? When I got back in my car
> and drove around it I'm thinking that the owner either has wasted a
> ton of money on a V6 or pulled the Z28 badges off and is trying to
> pass his Z as a Sleeper v6 Camaro.
>
> I've always hoped for a distinctive looking Z28 over the V6 camaro,
> maybe all Z28's had different rims or the front end had something a
> little different but I can see where it's in GM's best interest to
> make them identical other than the badging. MORE SALES!
<sigh>
I guess there goes my idea of trying to pass a Z as a sleeper V6 Camaro.
Too many visual clues indicating that it really is what it is.
> Rick wrote:
> <<I guess there goes my idea of trying to pass a Z as a sleeper V6
Camaro. Too
> many visual clues indicating that it really is what it is.>>
>
> Rick,
>
> All you have to do is order a 98 or 99 Z28, like my brother did,
with the
> sports appearance package, GU5, and in black. Most people even those in
the V6
> camaros try to race him. Black badges on a Black car, now all you would have
> to do is get a black bow-tie symbol for the back, hmmmm.......
>
>
> 68 SS Chevelle
> 82 Corvette
> 95 Z28
> 98 SS Z28 (#2027)
>
>
> Berry Shelton
What does the sports appearance package give you? What is GU5? All I was
going to do is take out the badges.
>Rick wrote:
><<I guess there goes my idea of trying to pass a Z as a sleeper V6 Camaro. Too
>many visual clues indicating that it really is what it is.>>
There are so many things that give away a Z28 or V6 Camaro. A V6
camaro has thinner tires with more side-wall. They usually have a
single exhaust pipe. A Z28 has wider tires, dual exhaust, and the
badges. If you want to disguse the Z28. Get an aftermarket exhaust
system that has a single 3.5 inch exhaust tip coming out the back, I'm
not sure which companies sell them, but they're out there. Remove the
badging. The tires will likely give you away, but if you must, put
thinner tires on it.
The coupes come with 235/65R16s. I think the Z28s that had RSAs on
them had 245/55R16s. If you're chugging along at a good pace, I don't
know if someone is going to pick up on that difference.
For what it is worth, I'm running 255/50R16s on my V6.
> single exhaust pipe. A Z28 has wider tires, dual exhaust, and the
Newer V6s have the Y87 option for having dual exhaust, though it doesn't
have the rectangular tips like the Z28. This is especially popular on
the newer RS models.
> badges. If you want to disguse the Z28. Get an aftermarket exhaust
> system that has a single 3.5 inch exhaust tip coming out the back, I'm
> not sure which companies sell them, but they're out there. Remove the
> badging. The tires will likely give you away, but if you must, put
> thinner tires on it.
I don't think the tires will give him away. I've had a *lot* of
folks back off of me immediately after I launch the V6 because they
probably suspect I'm a Z28 but they aren't sure. I know as a Camaro
owner, I can spot the differences, but a lot of other people can't...
even without the Z28 badges.
Of course, it doesn't help them that I'm running a Borla exhaust. :)
--
+---------------------------------------------------------------+
| Charles "Flip" Medley charles...@east.sun.com |
| Java Technical Trainer |
| Sun Educational Services |
| "Got Java?" |
+---------------------------------------------------------------+
Some people are better than others at playing this game. I think I
was spewing items you would notice at a stoplight---pre-drag...
Yeah, the V6 option has two pipes facing down like the base exhaust,
not out, like a Z28. That's a dead give-away. When at a stop, is it
possible to tell the difference by brake rotors?
> Yeah, the V6 option has two pipes facing down like the base exhaust,
> not out, like a Z28. That's a dead give-away. When at a stop, is it
> possible to tell the difference by brake rotors?
On '97 and older cars, that's probably the only definitive way of
telling the difference between a V6 and V8 (unless you could tell simply
by the sound of the exhaust). It would be somewhat difficult to see, but
a base V6 car has rear drums while a V8 has rear disc brakes (unless the
V6 car has the Y87 performance handling package, which includes rear
disc brakes). That's not too likely, though, because most V6 cars that
have the Y87 option are also the garish, bespoilered RS.
It would be easy to remove or add the self-adhesive Z28 emblems or
exhaust system to make a Camaro appear to be something it's not. Someone
would have to be truly dedicated to swap the rear brake system.
No such luck on the '98s, though. All f-bodies, regardless of engine or
options, now have rear disc brakes.
That is not true...When I ordered my 96 RS in August of 95 you could order the
coupe with the performance handling package and get the tighter suspension,
dual exhaust and rear disc breaks WITHOUT getting the RS appearance ground
effects. I haven't seen too many around, but they are out there.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
William
'96 Camaro RS, M5
Semper Victoris!
> >disc brakes). That's not too likely, though, because most V6 cars that
> >have the Y87 option are also the garish, bespoilered RS.
>
> That is not true...When I ordered my 96 RS in August of 95 you could order the
> coupe with the performance handling package and get the tighter suspension,
> dual exhaust and rear disc breaks WITHOUT getting the RS appearance ground
> effects. I haven't seen too many around, but they are out there.
Read my original post again, this time more carefully. I didn't say base
cars with Y87 didn't exist. I said that if a V6 car has the Y87 option,
it's likely going to be an RS as well.
I *know* that the Y87 option was a separate option available on the base
coupe, as well as the RS. This also means that an RS could be ordered
*without* Y87 but, once again, it's not too likely.
I'll make it as simple as I can:
RS cars *normally* have Y87.
Base cars *normally* do not.
To make a Z28 look like a V6:
*Buy one with:
1. base tires (same speedo as V6)
2. monochromatic roof
3. same color as available on V6
4. automatic
*Remove Z28 emblems.
*Install single exhaust (factory V6 best for deception but not very
performance enhancing).
*Install proper size V6 tires.
---
To make a V6 car look like a Z28:
*Buy one with:
1. '97 or earlier - Y87 option (gets rear disc brakes already on '98s)
2. aluminum wheels
3. same color as available on Z28
4. automatic
*Have a *professional body shop* install Z28 emblems in their correct
positions.
*Install Z28 tailpipe extension from muffler back.
*Install proper size base Z28 tires.
That's it. There would be *no way* for anybody to distinquish your car
from the real thing without, a. opening the hood, or b. listening
closely to the exhaust.
Having a V6 Z28 would get you better insurance rates (the VIN, which is
what rates are based upon, would not change) and even if you come up on
anybody driving a *stock* SN95 Mustang V8 with the cajones to give you a
try, you still won't get beat *too* badly, especially if it's a 4.6
automatic convertible.
Having a base V8 would likely win you races. Of course, you've also
substantially lowered the value of your vehicle since it's visually no
longer a Z28.
>Rick Tan wrote:
>>
>> Apart from the Z28 stickers, what visual differences are there between the
>> V6 and V8 Camaros?
>
>To make a Z28 look like a V6:
>
>*Buy one with:
AIIIIGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!! Why in the hell would anyone want to do that to
their beloved Z28? :-)
The only purpose I could see to this would be to camoflage your Z28
and thereby bait unsuspecting six-cylinder Crustangs into enjoying a
frosty can of whoop-ass.
Oh well... I'm just glad my Z is outside where it couldn't "listen in"
on this discussion. I'd hate for it to needlessly fear for its
insignias.
-Dave
I removed my Z-28 badges I think it looks smoother and if I pass a cop I'm
hoping it'll fool him and he won't be as likely to write me a ticket!
MY 94 Z-28
94 Z-28 A-4, 2.73(soon to be 3.42), Flowmaster, HPP+, Morooso Cold Air,
Accel 300+, GSS Strut Tower Brace, !MAF, Modified Shifter
73 Type LT Primer and in pieces(but it's coming along)
>It doesn't really matter what you do because you can still hear the rummble of
>the V-8 :)
>But you can fool a few people hear and there:)
>
>I removed my Z-28 badges I think it looks smoother and if I pass a cop I'm
>hoping it'll fool him and he won't be as likely to write me a ticket!
Why on earth would he write you a ticket if you had orginal Z28 badges
on your car? If your speeding, etc you think he'll catch up with you
and say "Ahh, It's not a a Z28 my bad" and let ya go?..hhehe.
I've said this before.. and it's probably just my opinion but when I
see a sweet Camaro and catch up to it I'm very disapointed when it's
just a plain V6 camaro. I love Z28's and the badging is a big part
of that. Be proud you own one, You paid for the privledge to drive it
so ADVERTISE IT!.
>
>
>MY 94 Z-28
>
>94 Z-28 A-4, 2.73(soon to be 3.42), Flowmaster, HPP+, Morooso Cold Air,
> Accel 300+, GSS Strut Tower Brace, !MAF, Modified Shifter
>73 Type LT Primer and in pieces(but it's coming along)
Brian Davis
Jacksonville, FL -
1995 Z28, A4, 3.23's, B&M Transpak ShiftKit, 3in. Flowmaster Catback Exhaust, K&N FIPK, TPI AirFoil, Relocated IAT
Bypassed TB, Mobil 1 synthetic Fluids, Cooling Fan Switch, Desensitized Knock Sensor.
Same attitude those idiots at the car shows have..revving their engines
spinning their tires around corners with people walking by ;x Not accusing
just MO ;P Plus something on the advertise'n...you can go overboard...anyone
in the Austin area ever seen "Thunder Road" he claims its a show car and
frequents the Antique Mall on Saturdays....big ugly supra spoiler...gaudy "Z28"
graphics on the doors... =shudders=
"Loves his debaged Z28" Riots!
I believe you just called me an Idiot. :)
Okay, Wow!. Sounds like some negative repressed feelings about being
mistaken for a gear head or something eh Riots? haha..
I'll run out and remove the "Q45" badging from my Infinity so no one
confuses me with those idiots at the Country Club who ride by in their
BMW's, Flashing their Visa Gold Cards, and revving their Motorized
Golf Carts!
I'm making a joke about the whole thing but if you feel that people
will think your a gear head, macho tough guy because your car has Z28
on it and they won't think that if it doesn't then well ehh that's
pretty lame!
Maybe ya should have considered a Honda Accord if you really care what
other people think enough to go through the trouble of removing your
badges!. Don't get me wrong I know it's your car and if you want to
paint it Pink go right ahead... Just MO :)
"Loves his Badged Z28" Brian
>Same attitude those idiots at the car shows have..revving their engines<BR>
>>spinning their tires around corners with people walking by ;x
If you are spinning your tires and people are walking by then yes you could be
classified as an idiot. Which was what my post pointed too (note above quote
from orig post) I mean there are small children and such that go to carshows as
well (never too young). And if you can honestly tell me when you spin your
tires you are in full control and have no possible chance of harming
pedestrians then welcome to earth.
>>Plus something on the advertise'n...you can go overboard...
And on the issue of badges...I didn't say their was anything wrong with
them...I was state'n that too much is "gaudy"...if you saw this Z you would
think the same thing....2ft tall lettering on the doors saying "Z28" and such
is just tasteless IMO :P
I think you took my post personally when it wasn't meant as so...if I offended
then I apologize otherwise I suggest you re-read everything and then think
before inserting foot in mouth :)
Riots!
>>I believe you just called me an Idiot. :)Okay, Wow!. Sounds like some
>>negative repressed feelings about beingmistaken for a gear head or something
>>eh Riots?
>>Same attitude those idiots at the car shows have..revving their engines<BR>
>>>spinning their tires around corners with people walking by ;x
Ahh, okay. Nope I'm not one to show off by spinning tires etc. In
fact i'm pretty tame with my car.
>If you are spinning your tires and people are walking by then yes you could be
>classified as an idiot. Which was what my post pointed too (note above quote
>from orig post) I mean there are small children and such that go to carshows as
>well (never too young). And if you can honestly tell me when you spin your
>tires you are in full control and have no possible chance of harming
>pedestrians then welcome to earth.
I agree
>>>Plus something on the advertise'n...you can go overboard...
>
>And on the issue of badges...I didn't say their was anything wrong with
>them...I was state'n that too much is "gaudy"...if you saw this Z you would
>think the same thing....2ft tall lettering on the doors saying "Z28" and such
>is just tasteless IMO :P
Oh absolutely! your right too much is tacky! I was just referring
to the "Z28" badges you removed. I don't think the OEM factory
Badging is Tacky and didn't understand why you removed them other than
to somehow seperate yourself from those who you see as "Tire Spinning
Idiots". Or maybe you see the badging as Gaudy?. I'd understand if
you removed the badging to fool unsuspecting 4 & 6 cylinder cars into
an ass woopin although I think that's pretty low but whatever floats
your boat eh.
>I think you took my post personally when it wasn't meant as so...if I offended
>then I apologize otherwise I suggest you re-read everything and then think
>before inserting foot in mouth :)
It's okay. Just making conversation really. Again It's your car.
Just giving you a hard time. ;)
If I bought a 4th gen Z28, I think I would take off the Z28 badges
immediately... I would either put the 'camaro' badge in place, or leave it
with no badges. That goes for the bowtie-Z28 badge in back too... I wouldn't
be trying to hide the fact that my car was a Z; it's just that I think the car
has a much cleaner look with no badges.
Nicholas, 2 '94 YZ250s, 1995 Trans Am, 1992 Grand Prix (for sale)
Partner/Event Coordinator, R2 Productions
"Some people are alive only because it is illegal to kill them"
> If I bought a 4th gen Z28, I think I would take off the Z28 badges
> immediately... I would either put the 'camaro' badge in place, or leave it
> with no badges. That goes for the bowtie-Z28 badge in back too... I wouldn't
> be trying to hide the fact that my car was a Z; it's just that I think the car
> has a much cleaner look with no badges.
That, and you might save someone else the trouble of ripping off your badges?
Here, people are stealing VTEC and V6 badges from Honda Accords/Preludes.
: It would be easy to remove or add the self-adhesive Z28 emblems or
: exhaust system to make a Camaro appear to be something it's not. Someone
: would have to be truly dedicated to swap the rear brake system.
: No such luck on the '98s, though. All f-bodies, regardless of engine or
: options, now have rear disc brakes.
I'm not a Camaro owner, but isn't there a difference in the tail light lenses
between the 6 and 8 cylinder cars? Are there some black detail lines in the
Z28 lenses that are not present on the base Camaros?
I know this is the case for the Firebirds. The base Firebird has a blank
red lens while the Formula/TA's have black lines. It seems to me the 6
cylinder Camaros also have a bland kind of lens. I may be wrong though.
Marshall G. Ward, III
email me at MW...@NOSPAMpacbell.net
1996 T/A, WS6, 6-Speed, Med Dk Green, Hardtop, T43 Spoiler, 10 Spk CD, Pwr Ant,
Graphite cloth, Pwr seat, Keyless entry w/alarm, Leather Appointments Group
MODS: !CAGS, K&N, Synthetic Engine/Trans/Diff fluid, Magna Flow Muffler
Hotchkis 2 pt STB and SFC's, B&M Ripper shifter
9/10/97-Sears Point-14.679 @95.6 MPH, 60'=2.252, Reaction=1.138
>In article <199805191831...@ladder03.news.aol.com>,
>yz250...@aol.com (YZ250Racer) wrote:
>
>> If I bought a 4th gen Z28, I think I would take off the Z28 badges
>> immediately... I would either put the 'camaro' badge in place, or leave it
>> with no badges. That goes for the bowtie-Z28 badge in back too... I wouldn't
>> be trying to hide the fact that my car was a Z; it's just that I think the car
>> has a much cleaner look with no badges.
Well YZ which is it? The first paragraph you said you'd remove the Z
badges and put on Camaro Badges and the next paragraph you say the car
looks cleaner with no badges.
>That, and you might save someone else the trouble of ripping off your badges?
I don't think that's a problem because there aren't many people
interested in putting Z28 badges on their Honda. :) Most of the Vtec
stickers that get stolen can be applied to a few Rice Rocket
Favorities. Honda, Acura, etc.
>Here, people are stealing VTEC and V6 badges from Honda Accords/Preludes.
Brian Davis
>Scott (*abwe...@idt.net) wrote:
>: On '97 and older cars, that's probably the only definitive way of
>: telling the difference between a V6 and V8 (unless you could tell simply
>: by the sound of the exhaust). It would be somewhat difficult to see, but
>: a base V6 car has rear drums while a V8 has rear disc brakes (unless the
>: V6 car has the Y87 performance handling package, which includes rear
>: disc brakes). That's not too likely, though, because most V6 cars that
>: have the Y87 option are also the garish, bespoilered RS.
>
>: It would be easy to remove or add the self-adhesive Z28 emblems or
>: exhaust system to make a Camaro appear to be something it's not. Someone
>: would have to be truly dedicated to swap the rear brake system.
>
>: No such luck on the '98s, though. All f-bodies, regardless of engine or
>: options, now have rear disc brakes.
>
>I'm not a Camaro owner, but isn't there a difference in the tail light lenses
>between the 6 and 8 cylinder cars? Are there some black detail lines in the
>Z28 lenses that are not present on the base Camaros?
>
>I know this is the case for the Firebirds. The base Firebird has a blank
>red lens while the Formula/TA's have black lines. It seems to me the 6
>cylinder Camaros also have a bland kind of lens. I may be wrong though.
Unfortuantely GM didn't change much on the V6 and V8's. I'm quite
sure there is absolutely no difference between the taillights on
either model.