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Aaron

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Oct 26, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/26/99
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I'm building a 383 stroker small block chevy for the street/strip and I'm
trying to decide what aluminum heads to buy. I want the motor to have alot
of low-end torque so I don't want to go overkill on the heads. I'm
considering the Trick Flow G2 heads, Edelbrock RPM heads and the World
Sportsman II heads. Has anyone used any of these heads or maybe another
brand that might work with my setup? I'm looking at using 480/292 cam RPM or
Dart dual plane intake with a Holley 750 HP carb. I also like to play with
Nitrous once in awhile. I'm looking for around 9.5 to 10 :1 compression .
Auto trans with a 2400 rpm stall and a 373 or 391 gear. Thanks for your
reply's.

Musashi

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That's pretty close to the build up I have in the Cutlass. I use a
set of mildly ported Trick Flow Twisted Wedge heads. I don't know
about the G2's though. Another set of heads you didn't list are the
AFR's. I use AFR's on the Camaro and they're great, though they are
race heads and not good for a street car. Still, AFR's 195cc head
would be a good choice for your build up.


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JJ

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Would have to say if your running fuel injection the Air Flow Research heads
would be the best for you to use. Heard bad stories about the Trick Flow
heads getting old and burning oil and what not. But I can't tell you that
from my personal experience.

JJ

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How much are the AFR 195cc heads? I'm trying to keep the price around
1000.00 dollars. Thanks.

In article <38172fbd....@news.mindspring.com>,


ad...@asdf.com (Musashi) wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Oct 1999 03:44:04 GMT, "Aaron" <agru...@home.com> wrote:
>

> >I'm building a 383 stroker small block chevy for the street/strip
and I'm
> >trying to decide what aluminum heads to buy. I want the motor to
have alot
> >of low-end torque so I don't want to go overkill on the heads. I'm
> >considering the Trick Flow G2 heads, Edelbrock RPM heads and the
World
> >Sportsman II heads. Has anyone used any of these heads or maybe
another
> >brand that might work with my setup? I'm looking at using 480/292
cam RPM or
> >Dart dual plane intake with a Holley 750 HP carb. I also like to
play with
> >Nitrous once in awhile. I'm looking for around 9.5 to 10 :1
compression .
> >Auto trans with a 2400 rpm stall and a 373 or 391 gear. Thanks for
your
> >reply's.
>

> That's pretty close to the build up I have in the Cutlass. I use a
> set of mildly ported Trick Flow Twisted Wedge heads. I don't know
> about the G2's though. Another set of heads you didn't list are the
> AFR's. I use AFR's on the Camaro and they're great, though they are
> race heads and not good for a street car. Still, AFR's 195cc head
> would be a good choice for your build up.
>
> I've been too long in the wind, too long in the rain
> Looking back and longing for the freedom of my chains,
> Lying in your loving arms again.
> I love lying in your loving arms again.
>


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Before you buy.

Musashi

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On Tue, 26 Oct 1999 00:13:19 -0400, "JJ" <j...@alijas.com> wrote:

>Would have to say if your running fuel injection the Air Flow Research heads
>would be the best for you to use.

Since he says he's going to use a Holley 750 HP carb.... ; )

> Heard bad stories about the Trick Flow
>heads getting old and burning oil and what not. But I can't tell you that
>from my personal experience.


They don't, at least mine don't, and they're pretty old now.

>Aaron <agru...@home.com> wrote in message
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>> I'm building a 383 stroker small block chevy for the street/strip and I'm
>> trying to decide what aluminum heads to buy. I want the motor to have alot
>> of low-end torque so I don't want to go overkill on the heads. I'm
>> considering the Trick Flow G2 heads, Edelbrock RPM heads and the World
>> Sportsman II heads. Has anyone used any of these heads or maybe another
>> brand that might work with my setup? I'm looking at using 480/292 cam RPM
>or
>> Dart dual plane intake with a Holley 750 HP carb. I also like to play with
>> Nitrous once in awhile. I'm looking for around 9.5 to 10 :1 compression .
>> Auto trans with a 2400 rpm stall and a 373 or 391 gear. Thanks for your
>> reply's.

I've been too long in the wind, too long in the rain

Musashi

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Oct 26, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/26/99
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On Tue, 26 Oct 1999 12:53:35 GMT, agru...@hotmail.com wrote:

>How much are the AFR 195cc heads? I'm trying to keep the price around
>1000.00 dollars. Thanks.

I don't know off hand. I think they're around $1200. Check their
website to be sure.

agru...@hotmail.com

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What's their web address?

In article <3816c80f....@news.mindspring.com>,

Scott Williams

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Musashi wrote:
>
> On Tue, 26 Oct 1999 12:53:35 GMT, agru...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> >How much are the AFR 195cc heads? I'm trying to keep the price around
> >1000.00 dollars. Thanks.
>
> I don't know off hand. I think they're around $1200. Check their
> website to be sure.


When I picked my AFR street heads a few years ago they were $1200. I
don't think the price has changed since then, from what I've seen in
ads, etc.

While I don't have experience with the other heads mentioned in the
origianl post, I will say that I'm VERY happy with the AFR heads (190cc
intake runners, 76cc chambers --> 9.7:1 CR) on my 383. When I built
this engine I had two major things in mind: 1) It had to be CA smog
legal in a '72, and 2) it had to make as much streeatble torque as
possible. The AFR street heads fit the bill perfectly. The only thing
I would do differently if I had to do it all over again is that I would
get the 195cc AFR heads. The 195cc heads would not be too big for a
daily driven 383 -- even if it is only mildly built.

Scott Williams
'89 Mustang LX 5.0, 14.14 @ 97
'72 Camaro 383, 12.92 @ 108

JJ

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JJ

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> On Tue, 26 Oct 1999 00:13:19 -0400, "JJ" <j...@alijas.com> wrote:
>
> >Would have to say if your running fuel injection the Air Flow Research
heads
> >would be the best for you to use.
>
> Since he says he's going to use a Holley 750 HP carb.... ; )

Ment to say FI or carb. I hear they run great either way.

>
> > Heard bad stories about the Trick Flow
> >heads getting old and burning oil and what not. But I can't tell you that
> >from my personal experience.
>
>
> They don't, at least mine don't, and they're pretty old now.
>

smaug

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Oct 26, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/26/99
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You can't beat a set of dart II heads
get a summet catalog or go to their website
http://www.summetracing.com

Smaug
'82 Z28 358 ci
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Gear Head

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> What's their web address?

http://www.airflowresearch.com

Musashi

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On Tue, 26 Oct 1999 17:29:58 GMT, agru...@hotmail.com wrote:

>What's their web address?

www.airflowresearch.com

Summit Racing Tech

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Oct 28, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/28/99
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Dyno tests so far have favored the Trick Flow heads. As with any custom
valve angle head, valve train geometry and push rod length are critical.
It's still the number one pick for street & strip.

--
Alan, Technical Advisor, Summit Racing Equipment
"The World's Speed Shop" for over 30 years
Guaranteed lowest prices, same day
shipping, safe secure online ordering
http://www.summitracing.com

Musashi

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On Thu, 28 Oct 1999 12:18:09 -0400, "Summit Racing Tech"
<aca...@summitracing.com> wrote:

>Dyno tests so far have favored the Trick Flow heads. As with any custom
>valve angle head, valve train geometry and push rod length are critical.
>It's still the number one pick for street & strip.
>
>--
>Alan, Technical Advisor, Summit Racing Equipment
>"The World's Speed Shop" for over 30 years


As much as I like the Trick Flow heads <I use a pair on the
Cutlass>, it should be noted that Summit owns TF, so that
recommendation should be taken with some consideration as to the
source.

Stevecel

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Oct 29, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/29/99
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How about the LT4 heads compared to trickflow orAFR?

ems-sales

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I wonder why you say that. Is it because that Summit owns Trick Flow. I
bet the AFR cylinder heads would give the Trick Flows a run for their money.

Isn't it true that if any of the valve train geometry is set up improperly
that it will cause a pre-mature valve guide failure.


Just my 2 cents.

Chris.


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In article <38187...@216.206.103.197>,

"Summit Racing Tech" <aca...@summitracing.com> wrote:
> Dyno tests so far have favored the Trick Flow heads.
Care to point out any Urls that compare TFS, AFRs, and Brodix heads that
confirm your statement?

> Alan, Technical Advisor, Summit Racing Equipment
> "The World's Speed Shop" for over 30 years

> Guaranteed lowest prices, same day
> shipping, safe secure online ordering
> http://www.summitracing.com
> Aaron wrote in message
<8s9R3.14719$Pf4.1...@news.rdc2.mi.home.com>...
> >I'm building a 383 stroker small block chevy for the street/strip and
I'm
> >trying to decide what aluminum heads to buy. I want the motor to have
alot
> >of low-end torque so I don't want to go overkill on the heads. I'm
> >considering the Trick Flow G2 heads, Edelbrock RPM heads and the
World
> >Sportsman II heads. Has anyone used any of these heads or maybe
another
> >brand that might work with my setup? I'm looking at using 480/292 cam
RPM
> or
> >Dart dual plane intake with a Holley 750 HP carb. I also like to play
with
> >Nitrous once in awhile. I'm looking for around 9.5 to 10 :1
compression .
> >Auto trans with a 2400 rpm stall and a 373 or 391 gear. Thanks for
your
> >reply's.
> >
> >
>
>

Musashi

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On Fri, 29 Oct 1999 11:10:28 -0700, "ems-sales"
<in...@excessivemotorsports.com> wrote:

>I wonder why you say that. Is it because that Summit owns Trick Flow. I
>bet the AFR cylinder heads would give the Trick Flows a run for their money.

Please check your attributions. I made the same point you are
making, albeit in a less antagonistic fashion.

>Isn't it true that if any of the valve train geometry is set up improperly
>that it will cause a pre-mature valve guide failure.

No. I still use the orginal guides and have no leakage. I do use
viton stem seals on all valves, however, not the stock teflon seals.

>Just my 2 cents.

If only it were worth that much.

Mike

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Oct 29, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/29/99
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Probably your best bet is to talk to a reputable head porter, and see what
they recommend as a good starting point. Make sure that you find someone
who has experience porting the various high end castings. Most people who
are serious about making decent power would not install a set of heads as is
out of the box, without at least putting them on a flow bench, and at the
very least do a mild cleanup and some port matching. The trick is to find
someone who really knows their stuff, and is not just trying to make work
for themselves. A lot of local racers are using Dart 2 heads, and there is
also the Bow Tie castings as an option. The cast iron versions are decent,
I don't know about the aluminum ones though.
Good Luck.

Mitch Davis

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Oct 30, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/30/99
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Try the aluminum fast burn heads by Chevy. I think right now they are
probably the most advanced street/strip head available.

JJ

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Mitch I think you bring up a good point. Those fast burn heads I hear are
killers. Wouldn't mind trying a pair on my motor.

JJ

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Aaron

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How about the Sportsman II heads with the fastburn chambers, aren't they
supposed to be a pretty hot setup?
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