'88 Camaro 305 TBI smog pump removal
cburr
305 TBI?
thanks,
Chris
cburr
305 TBI?
Thanks,
Chris
'88 Camaro 305 TBI
CBHVAC
As in never use it again?
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and is of more benefit than not having it.
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since its illegal, in all 50 states, and it only takes like Dennis said,
about 1/4 to 1/2 HP and removal will cost you at least 3 to 10....nope..dont
have a clue.
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>From: "cburr" cb...@adelphia.net
>Date: 12/7/2001 1:55 PM Eastern Standard Time
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>to completely remove it to clean up the engine bay...
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Zero benefit from doing this. Air pump makes the converter more efficient by
allowing fresh air to be diverted to it.
Can cause cat. converter overheating on some models.
Personally, I always hated cars where stock equipment was removed. You can
always tell when something's missing. Lol.
Joe--ASE Certified Parts Specialist & 10th Ann.Club Tech Director
'80 Carousel Red Turbo, 26k original
'79 "Y89" 400/4 speed, 57k original
'84 Olds Delta 88, 307 "Rocket" (lol), 141k and still going....
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Uneducated people think that removal of that equipment will increase HP, and
on something like a 305, it surely will not.
How about you listen to those of us that have gone there, done that, and
found out the hard way.
Removal of the cat and pump will, and thats a BIG will result in a LOSS of
HP.
You DO know that some of us have over 900HP cars WITH CATS right???? OH
NO..THATS NOT POSSIBLE...
BULLSHIT>
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So what's up with that, eh?
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Bigjfig
>Date: 12/8/2001 9:04 AM Eastern Standard Time
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Newsflash #2: There's only 10 hp difference between the two motors :)
You're missing the point.
A vehicle needs the air pump for emission compliance. Certain combinations with
the same engine do not. An LG4 destined for Canada might not, but a US version
might to meet our laws.
If you remove it and its part of the design and emission package, it's also
part of the power and HP package :). It's all designed around a balance of HP,
emissions requirements and fuel economy.
A high flow cat makes you the same HP if not more than a stock one or by
removing it and your car is 100% emission compliant. Technology does wonders
:).
CBHVAC
gas restrictors...or smog pumps, or EGR...wait...one has an EGR....or
cats...
One ton vehicles didn't need them back then....
but..back to your original question....
First, smart ass, if you understood CARB ratings, you would know that SOME
86 Camaros had them, and others used a form of air injection..pulse, to meet
EPA and CARB requirements. Also, while YOUR Camaro might not have had one,
there are several out there that might, also, due to CARB.
Now..if you want to start a pissing match, lets at least argue about
something really trivial and not against the law, and plain ignorant.
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Todd
Newsflash!!!
Not everyone lives in California or some other jurisdiction overrun with smog Nazis.
I understand your concerns over compliance, however. It is no fun filling the local cops coffers :(
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Todd
86 Camaros had them, and others used a form of air injection..pulse, to meet
EPA and CARB requirements. Also, while YOUR Camaro might not have had one,
there are several out there that might, also, due to CARB.
Now..if you want to start a pissing match, lets at least argue about
>something really trivial and not against the law, and plain ignorant.
Son, you've got a bad attitude and one of these days someone handy is going to teach you a few
manners. Come on up to Calgary and I'll do it myself :)
As may be dawning on your right now, not everyone is at all concerned about California laws. You may
or may not live there but it ain't the centre of the universe.
My point is that your argument is silly. It is; add more weight with an air pump, use up a few hp by
turning it and then add more weight and exhaust restriction with a catalitic converter (even a fancy
hi-po one) and you will go faster.
Not in this world, pal!
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I dont live in California
I dont live in an area where smog testing is mandated
Sorry...bad attitude? Yours is just as shitty to some. Particularly those of
us that can tell you that in order to make even MORE HP, you can add two
more smog pumps, and get up to 20 or more HP from them, that overcomes any
weight gain you may see...damn....guess you have never seen a top fuel car
with one on it huh?
When you want to see 900HP with just one, let me know...most in here have.
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order to go faster. Same goes with catalytic converters. lol
Might be different with Top Fuel dragsters. Can't recall when was the last time I saw one on the
street though. Or one that looked like a streetable Camaro.
And yeah, you are renowned on this board for the size of your lip. Like I said, come on up here for
an attitude adjustment ;)
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B.P.
> Now..if you want to start a pissing match, lets at least argue about
> something really trivial and not against the law, and plain ignorant.
That is par for you. Always wanting to argue about something ignorant.
Hey, I know what is ignorant. You are!!! Let's argue over how ignorant
you are.
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B.P.
> Big deal...none of my vans have them either from the factory, OR unleaded
> gas restrictors...or smog pumps, or EGR...wait...one has an EGR....or
> cats...
> One ton vehicles didn't need them back then....
> but..back to your original question....
Van != Camaro
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<snip>
>Newsflash: Neither did my 79 400. But, my 80 Turbo does.
>
>Newsflash #2: There's only 10 hp difference between the two motors :)
Newsflash!! It's a 305. Who the hell cares what he does with it?
It's a glorified boat anchor, but he lives in a frozen wasteland, aka,
Canada, so it's probably the fastest car around him as it is.
>You're missing the point.
Yeah, he is. 305's make nice work engines, but he wants power.
If he was serious, he'd toss the rest of the engine with the pump.
But he's not, so he's playing tiddly winks with the few parts for
which he has a vague understanding and now throwing a tantrum. Yawn.
L83
> Canada,
I hope thats one of your typical wise cracks ;) we rarely get snow in
vancouver, just rain rain rain..
CBHVAC
know, since I have met most face to face, and if you REALLY think you can,
come south for the winter...
I believe Dennis Scott can tell you, that it would be interesting...and
thats all I have to say on it.
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>Date: 12/9/2001 3:48 AM Eastern Standard Time
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Sorry, the 80 Turbo is a 301 Pontiac vin T engine :).
The 5.0 LG4 Vin H is only used in California in 1980, and 1981 in all 50
states.
It too, has an air pump to my knowledge :)
Bigjfig
>Date: 12/9/2001 9:12 AM Eastern Standard Time
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In most GM Canadian and export applications, they use the last year's US
standard. It's always lagged behind.
In 85, you'd find an M4ME carburetor on a Camaro. But in 85, they were all E4ME
here. The emissions regulations in Canada and for export were always a
combination used a few years back here, or on a truck or something, like CBHVAC
said that was exempt from the rules.
Doesn't mean if it had it originally, removing it is a good thing. We did it
once on an 84 Toronado and it ran like a pig. Fixed the AIR system and it ran
like a charm and had all the power a 307 could have :). Lol.
CBHVAC
context...posts PART of the original post, leaves the relevant stuff out,
and tries to make someone other than BP look stupid...
Didn't work then, wont work now.
Hey Bill....hows things down there in Florida? Dont make me post it
again....a link to your home site and the garbage you pawn as ISP service
might just make you angry...
/me sits back and laughs while little cock boy gets mad and comes back with
some stupid shit.
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>Date: 12/9/2001 10:30 AM Eastern Standard Time
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Also, the 301 Turbo was used on the Camaro for one year in 80, and of course as
a 305 in the Camaro that year in all 50 states :).
In 81, both F cars had them 50 state wide.
Dennis Smith
says...
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>Also, the 301 Turbo was used on the Camaro for one year in 80,
GM put a Pontiac engine in the Camaro? That's down right funny!
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In 1975, you could get a Pontiac 400 in a Delta 88, so nothing's beyond the
70's :).
I actually called my friend at GM and yes, there are production records of this
80 301 Turbo Camaro.
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The LC3, LD5, L39, LG4, LG-4, LM1
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ray
> 80 301 Turbo Camaro.
>
> Joe--ASE Certified Parts Specialist & 10th Ann.Club Tech Director
> '80 Carousel Red Turbo, 26k original
> '79 "Y89" 400/4 speed, 57k original
> '84 Olds Delta 88, 307 "Rocket" (lol), 141k and still going....
How many suckers who bought a 301 Turbo Camaro? Must have sold
a ton of them. NOT. :) Ironically, if they did, they might be
worth something as they would be extremely rare.
Ray
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Dennis Smith
st...@carolinabreezehvac.com says...
>
>How ya figure that? Chevy motors have been used in the Pontiac line for
>years..
I know. GM has been disgracing Pontiacs with "Cheby" engines for years
but I just find it funny that Pontiac got to do it back at least once :-)
The owner's jaw must have dropped when he popped open the hood of his
NEW Chevy Camaro and found a Pontiac! :-)
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> I know. GM has been disgracing Pontiacs with "Cheby" engines for years
> but I just find it funny that Pontiac got to do it back at least once :-)
>
> The owner's jaw must have dropped when he popped open the hood of his
> NEW Chevy Camaro and found a Pontiac! :-)
Chances are most wouldn't know what they had...
Bill
Dennis Scott
Great White North in
> order to go faster. Same goes with catalytic converters. lol
If smog pumps are such a waste, Why do most pro-stocks run two and sometimes
three? Warren Johnson run them in triples. They actually do something
beneficial for performance, but some are just too stupid to understand. If
they were a little more intelligent, they would know that a smog pump when
operating correctly, reduces crankcase pressure and therefore, makes air
resistance to the pistons and rotating assembly a lot more aerodynamic.
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Musashi
lol! Yeah, I know most of Canada is actually alright, and the
coastal areas can be nice. Most people are just sensitive about it,
and since I was ripping him, it was just a knee jerk reaction to go
there, too! Vancouver is nice, I guess, if Seatle is your cup of
broth..... ; )
Musashi
>>Subject: Re: '88 Camaro 305 TBI smog pump removal
>>From: ad...@asdf.com (Musashi)
>>Date: 12/9/2001 3:48 AM Eastern Standard Time
>>Message-id: <3c14254d....@news.hillcrest1.al.home.com>
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>>On 08 Dec 2001 19:15:29 GMT, big...@aol.com (Bigjfig) wrote:
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>><snip>
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>>>Newsflash: Neither did my 79 400. But, my 80 Turbo does.
>>>
>>>Newsflash #2: There's only 10 hp difference between the two motors :)
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>> Newsflash!! It's a 305. Who the hell cares what he does with it?
>>It's a glorified boat anchor, but he lives in a frozen wasteland, aka,
>>Canada, so it's probably the fastest car around him as it is.
>>
>>>You're missing the point.
>>
>>
>> Yeah, he is. 305's make nice work engines, but he wants power.
>>If he was serious, he'd toss the rest of the engine with the pump.
>>But he's not, so he's playing tiddly winks with the few parts for
>>which he has a vague understanding and now throwing a tantrum. Yawn.
>>
>
>Sorry, the 80 Turbo is a 301 Pontiac vin T engine :).
>
>The 5.0 LG4 Vin H is only used in California in 1980, and 1981 in all 50
>states.
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>It too, has an air pump to my knowledge :)
I meant his, not yours. You know better, yet still keep your stuff
distressingly stock, and seem to do it on purpose!!
/me shakes her head
L83
pumps it into the exaust reduces crank case pressures. now when the pump is
plumbed throught the engine, as its done on the pro stockers, it will reduce
pressure.
loose the pump, its dead wait, the engine will wind faster and you'll clean
up the engine bay. Ive removed them on most of my cars with postive effects
everytime. And dont say its illegal in all 50 states. I dont live in the
states.
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More of a challenge in my belief to do that and make it faster without people
knowing it :). I always liked the cars that look completely stock on the
outside and are violent monsters with what you can't see.
That's how I'd build a 350 G body if it were me :)
Bigjfig
>Date: 12/9/2001 8:13 PM Eastern Standard Time
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If you have a visual inspection program for emisisons, it is supposed to fail.
Even if the car passes without it. Fact is you have defeated factory installed
emissions equipment. In the States, that's technically a violation of Federal
(not state) law.
Will a car pass without a cat. converter? Sure. Do you gain any benefit by
removing it? No. Does a high flow converter make it legal and outperform the
stock converter? Sure thing.
The idea that removing emissions makes it "faster" is a fallacy. The car is
designed with emission control in mind.
L83
less what you have under the hood..i've tossed all my emissions equipment,
picked up a noticble improvment and still pass the test.
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>less what you have under the hood..i've tossed all my emissions equipment,
>picked up a noticble improvment and still pass the test.
EXACTLY!
Why some of the lads in the lower 48 want to keep all that gunk if they don't have to is curious,
indeed. I've never met anyone in Canada who found the car ran worse without it! (Maybe it's our
clean air?)
Awful law-abiding for a bunch of Yanks, eh?
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>Date: 12/10/2001 3:25 AM Eastern Standard Time
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As I said, lol, YOUR EMISSION STANDARDS ARE DIFFERENT. MOST OF YOUR GM
COMBINATIONS ARE LAST YEAR'S PARTS!!!
Now with that being said ;), look in the parts books, see the differences. Some
of your combinations in the mid 80's are what we had in 1979 :). Lol
Likely that what you removed was not working right. If it were, you wouldn't
notice a difference.
CBHVAC
anyone, who says they get a noticeable improvement by removing the pump, or
cat, for example, had pad parts to start with, since its been proven time,
and time and time and time again that the removal will gain at the MOST 1 to
2 HP, and in most cases, when the equipment is in working order, LOSE HP.
Anyone who thinks otherwise, is simply miss-informed, or has been hanging
with Bubba in the backyard too long.
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engine bay a bit since the engine is getting yanked out for repaires, on a
very tight budget so can't get a 350 like i want... anyway, thanks for the
advise where its posted.
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> Anyone have step-by-step instructions on removing the smog pump/AIR from
the
> 305 TBI?
>
> thanks,
> Chris
>
>
>
Todd
You doubtless have some weird timing advances coded in that are meant to try and help with the
hindrances of smog gear.
Learn to recode your ECMs after you ditch that smog stuff and you'll be back on the ball. Try going
to www.thirdgen.org and look through the message boards under the computer control section. There
are some real gurus there that can help you out of your dilemma and get you back on the road to high
performance.
My carbed 86 (and other guys' 87s that I've seen) has the HEI ignition with vacuum advance, etc. I
augmented it with a Crane advance and spring kit and it runs way better than any factory computer
controlled carbed Camaro. The person who owned my car before me had already chopped the catalytic
converter. Good riddance.
>Some of your combinations in the mid 80's are what we had in 1979 :). Lol
Proof that there is a God :) May America always be bogged down with smog Nazis long before Canada
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You obviously haven't read High Performance Pontiac much, have you? Lol. Ask
any editor your question, guaranteed they can build it with smog gear and leave
you seeing their taillights at the stoplight :).
It depends on who builds it! The guy that can build a factory made sleeper
that looks but performs better than stock is 10 times smarter, more efficient,
responsible, and knowledgable than anyone that simply rips out parts and THINKS
he's going faster. Got dyno numbers to prove it?
Why would you have to recode your ECM after ditching the smog stuff? Why can't
your computers compensate for the changes? :). That is the job of a computer,
to make changes based on what it sees. So, you rip out your smog pump and have
to recalibrate your computer. What more have you gained? Your wallet is
lighter, that's for sure.
If your test is not a full blown dyno for emissions, it's not anything worth
comparing.My 80 Turbo passes a standing idle test EVERY year for new model year
car. So does my Delta 88, and it's carbed with emission control, and every
option works like new.
The first owner of my car removed the converter. Newsflash: No faster than when
it had it. Still waiting for that thing to be sent to return it to factory
original status :).
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>Date: 12/10/2001 12:39 PM Eastern Standard Time
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Must be that smog induced haze up there. Lol.
Todd
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We simply understand things....and know what works, and what works and stays
legal.
You see...I build these little engines known as Elephants...you in all your
infinite go fast wisdom know what those are..
I built one, that not only has a computer, it also has a neat BDS Hilborn
unit on it, and get this....
Cats...thats right...converters....they are tucked right up beside the AC
Torgueflight.
The newest one, will remain stock, with no cats on it, but, it will get a
smog pump...since no one knows why we use those, lets explain here....
A smog pump, as we all know, it nothing but an air pump that can, depending
on volume of the sweep, and RPM, can pump several thousand CFM through it.
When you hook it up to the crankcase, you can, and in most cases, do, create
a vacuum that can create between 10 and 30 extra horses to
use....now...match that with a vehicle with cats on it, and the 1 HP drop
that a cat can create in a bad case, is overcome by several fold.
Now...about the ECM on a GM car resetting itself. Anyone that has been
around GM for any time, knows that the computer is a self learning curve,
and if worst comes to worst, one can disconnect the battery, or fuse to it
for about 10 to 30 minutes depending on static conditions, and the computer
will reset to factory static values.
The ECM will, again, depending on year, reset itself to static value at
least one time, but more often than not, up to 3 times after the engine is
warmed to operational temp, and depending on if the unit has a feed for a
speed sensor, it will wait until the vehicle is at least up to 45MPH before
going stupid again, and getting a feedback from each sensor. Since the
information is really quite limited, and the operational parameters are
actually QUITE small, the baud rate is limited to 9600 for communications.
(thats only FYI kinda info, but you knew that already.)
When a sensor, such as the O2 sensor, reads out of limit, it will trigger
not only a code and resultant light, but will also affect other sensors, suc
h as the TPS, your injector output, and timing. The resultant mess is a loss
of HP in all cases, UNLESS you had a bad cat and smog pump to start with. In
that case, the resulting HP gain you will feel, but not as much as if you
had replaced the bad parts with fully operational ones.
Now...lets talk about CEPA...your Minister David Anderson has in place,
regulations that will make ours look silly come 2004. Canada is about to go
into the same smog controls as in place in California, and will exceed those
in a few short years. If they follow the California guidelines, as they
stated they will exceed them, then you can forget about your Camaro being
exempt, or not needing those parts.
His OWN words were and I quote:
"For example, we work with the provinces and other partners to monitor air
quality. We have done this since 1969 through the National Air Pollution
Surveillance Network - or NAPS.
This morning, I am pleased to announce that the Government of Canada is
rejuvenating the NAPS network. We will double our support by investing an
extra $1.2 million. We will use the money to update monitoring equipment and
manage important air quality information.
The NAPS Network is our scientific "nose in the wind" with monitoring
stations at sites in 55 urban and rural areas across our country. The new
money will update monitoring equipment nation-wide. It will help us do more
to gather and manage the data on pollutants that we use in many ways. Those
ways range from ongoing scientific research on air quality to determining if
there will be a smog alert today.
Of course, science has to be the start, not the end of our strategies. We
have to focus our work on the most significant influences on clean air. That
means our strategies have to start with action on transportation.
The reason is simple. Vehicle emissions are the single biggest contributor
to Canada's air pollution problem.
We have known this for years. We have a base of action to build on -
including national vehicle emission standards and regulations to reduce the
levels of sulphur and benzene in gasoline.
Even so, my predecessors and I were somewhat limited in what we could
achieve on transportation. The responsibilities for action were spread
across a number of portfolios. I am pleased to report that has now changed.
When Parliament passed the new Canadian Environmental Protection Act, it
ensured that my department would have responsibility for off-road vehicles
and engines, as well as for those that travel our streets and highways.
I am announcing today that Environment Canada will use that new authority
under CEPA to develop an integrated approach on the transportation sector -
specifically, vehicles and fuels.
My goal is quite simply to meet or exceed the standards that the United
States Government is bringing in - standards that will come into effect
between the 2004 and 2009 model years.
The new standards will cut smog-causing emissions, such as nitrogen oxides,
by 77 percent for new passenger vehicles. They will cut them by 95% for
light duty trucks.
And we are going to bring our standards in line with the changes we can all
see on our roads. That means sport utility vehicles will have to meet the
same stringent standards as passenger cars.
This is only fair. SUVs drive like a car. They park like a car. Now they're
going to meet the emission standards of a car.
For us to achieve these standards, we need more than innovation from the
auto manufacturers. We need cleaner fuels. That underlines why we acted to
cut the sulphur content of gasoline and why we will act to reduce the
sulphur content in diesel fuel.
I am determined to get these standards right. To do that, on May 25th and
26th, we will hold a consultation workshop here in Toronto. It will help us
to begin to define the goals how we will meet our long-term agenda for
vehicles and fuels. We will consider how to set our targets and take action.
That consultation will set the stage for a formal Notice of Intent before
the end of this year. That official notice will spell out how we intend to
regulate vehicles and the fuels that power them. Any strategy for clean air
has to draw on the best science to examine impacts on human health. Thanks
to science and the authorities we now have under the new CEPA, we will be
acting on another threat to health that is literally hiding in our smog."
End quote.
Nahh....you guys wont have anything to worry about....I mean....we southern
guys dont know anything about building HP, or Canada...
Geeeze, get a clue...I deal with the EPA on a day to day basis, and we ARE
kept up to date with whats going on up there...you think that CEPA and the
USEPA dont talk, and you are fooling yourself.
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Bigjfig
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>I wonder if you two also belong to the flat earth society?
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>Todd
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No, but wonder if you have a clue about what you've been saying? :)
Read this month's High Performance Pontiac. Look at the newer cars that are in
the shootout.
Newsflash: they're likely all emission legal and you'll see their taillights
every time :).
Guess they spent their time on building performance and not taking out
emissions, huh? :)
Milhouse
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> This is only fair. SUVs drive like a car. They park like a car. Now
they're
> going to meet the emission standards of a car.
Yech. Remind me never to buy a SUV in Canada. SUVs take a lot more fuel to
be able to 'drive like a car', and if I ever see an SUV that parks like a
car...well, it just might be a GMC with Quadrasteer. ;)
Milhouse
CBHVAC
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"Milhouse" <ne...@kirker.8k.com> wrote in message
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> regulations that will make ours look silly come 2004. Canada is about to go
> into the same smog controls as in place in California, and will exceed those
> in a few short years. If they follow the California guidelines, as they
> stated they will exceed them, then you can forget about your Camaro being
> exempt, or not needing those parts.
> His OWN words were and I quote:
>
FWIW, the gov't is very likely all talk and no action. :)
Maybe Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver might end up with some sniffer
tests.
(Big cities with 2 mil+ population)
Right now in Winnipeg, there's ZERO emission testing. I _could_ take a
new
Cavalier, rip out the drivetrain and drop in a 454 with a tunnel ram on
it.
Assuming I could make it pass a safety, they wouldn't care if it had two
Holleys and no computer, as long as the tires didn't stick out 2" past
the
fenders and the windows weren't too tinted.
Now, I'm not advocating the old "rip all that there emissions crap off"
theory, I'm just stating what kind of testing they do up here.
In 2004, I suspect there'll be ZERO emission testing, and probably still
none in 2009. There's just not enough political force behind it, and
considering 90% of people don't dick with the emissions stuff, it's
probably
just fine.
Works for me tho - means my 80 TA gets whatever engine I can afford to
put
in there, I don't have to worry about trying to make a 301 into anything
useful.
I guess that's a tradeoff for the F&(*&#(*@#ing snow. Hard to pollute
when
the damn thing won't start in -40. :)
Ray
Todd
emissions laws and that Kyoto Pact BS. The US ain't gonna endorse it so it would be political
suicide for the federal Liberals to put the entire Canadian economy at a disadvantage with its
largest trading partner by approving it.
Moreover, the rumblings of Western secession are getting louder every year and that type of fiddling
with the Alberta economy is guaranteed to drive a lot of people into the Western Republic camp.
And you two still belong in the Flat Earth society.
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Milhouse
...right?... ;)
Milhouse
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L83
the recent election, who had implemented the rediculous cash grab disguised
as testing around here..i seriouslt doubt much will changes. Especially
since the population is so sparse and distances between towns in the
interior.
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Stop changing the subject. Lol.
Where's the dyno numbers? Where's the proof removing it made you faster and
that you still pass emissions?
CBHVAC
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Todd
I don't own a dyno so you won't find any numbers, and I sure as hell don't need them to know that
I'm going faster than factory. (I guess you two do, eh?) When I worked on the exhaust, I ditched the
whole factory setup and put on Hooker Shorties dropping into a 3 inch y-pipe, which converged into a
single 3 inch intermediary pipe before culminating in a Walker Quiet Flow performance muffler, with
two 2 1/2 inch tail pipes.
None of this smog pump and catalytic converter bs. We prairie boys know how to make hp--we ain't no
limp wrists worried about what California has to say ;)
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CBHVAC
You are missing the point, and in the end, sound like a redneck that cant
tell his dad from his brother...but thats ok....
We notice how all you prairie boys are involved in the go fast
sports...(yea...RIGHT)
You also show just how ignorant you are with your replies. We show you and
explain things to you, and you cant take the time to explain how we are
wrong, and keep going to California. I dont live 3000 miles away...and the
FUNNY thing is, I live in a state that out of 100 counties, only 8 have
emissions testing, and this is not one of them.
You would last about a week here before we sent you packing home to momma
with your ass kicked by a smogged Firebird.
And yes....you prairie inbreed...you DO need dyno numbers, or all you have
is bullshit. Time slips add credibility..but..like so many before you, you
will back out and run cause you cant produce them.
You already have backed up and refuse to address so much....
Do what you want, and when it costs you more than the cars worth to get it
back where you can legally drive in a few years...remember.....we might have
been on to something....so might those guys in Detroit, who are building
fully smogged V-6's that will kick your ass any day, any place.
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Todd
is bullshit. Time slips add credibility..but..like so many before you, you
will back out and run cause you cant produce them.
>You already have backed up and refuse to address so much....
>Do what you want, and when it costs you more than the cars worth to get it
back where you can legally drive in a few years...remember.....we might have
been on to something....so might those guys in Detroit, who are building
>fully smogged V-6's that will kick your ass any day, any place.
Hah, hah, hah! I was wondering when you'd start trying to insult again. "Prairie inbreed"--that's
funny! Too bad you Americans have already cornered the maket on inbred hillbillies!!!
Now let's see. My car is an 86. Didn't come from Van Nuys with ANYTHING other than a catalytic
converter. No smog pump, etc. So, if the tree huggers prevail--like they've already done in the
lower 48--I'll be crushed under the burden of putting another cat-con in.
Hmmm, I'm seriously worried now!!! Hah, hah, hah!!!
Of course there are V6s that could whoop my car, so what?
Newsflash! Technology has come a ways in the last 16 years! Hah, hah, hah!!! :)
And if you don't KNOW that a V8 Camaro that has dropped its mid-80s exhaust for headers and larger
pipes is faster than the resrictive factory setup, well, there is NO helping you, son :(
--
Todd
cburr
CBHVAC
the Hemis has Cats on it....or did you just overlook that fact so you can
spew more bullshit.
Since you didn't address any of that post, I assume you ARE what I called
you and its over your head.
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equipment, or you can make it fast without it. No one is saying that you
cant make power with cats, we are saying that the smog pump, plumbed the way
it is from the factory, will not help power, and removing it will and must
help, since there one less accesory and less weight. The computer will not
care at all, the pump doesnt afftect the v/e tables in prom, it doesnt
affect the o2 sensor after it is warm, it doesnt affect the blm or int
tables. Older ecm's dont even poll for the pump, only modem 92ish +'s do
even if they do its simple to edit the prom and disable the polling. I have
made countless data logs from the various ecms and not one of the proms
requried editing after the smog equpment was gone. With the one exception of
the cat on my car, required a little fatteing up in the top end to
*optimize* performance, as tossing the cat opened the exhaust aiding in
power and adding some addtional fuel aided in power more. What i will give
you is loosing the air pump, maybe makes it possible for the cat to
overheat. but alot of cars come without air pumps anyway, i had 2 z28's
beside each other, one was local one was from the cali. same engine same
tranny, the cali car had full smog equipment, the local car had only and egr
pcv and cat, this was factory, they had the same cat. The local car with its
air pipe capped. This car had no cat problems. For a stock car you will not
loose power that is plain pull shit, and knocking 2 tenths of my 1/4 is
proof enough for me. And dont say it was tuning as the tuning was optimized
before with the equipment.
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Bigjfig
>Date: 12/11/2001 5:15 PM Eastern Standard Time
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If you can make it fast by defeating the smog equipment, big whoop. That and
most 350's with "performance" are as common as dogshit. Not telling us anything
we didn't already know.
It doesn't take any brains to do that. Just stick the biggest honking Holley
you can find on there and hold your breath when you go around the back of it to
hit the taillights to see if they are still on :).
That being said, putting some brains into a conversion, if you can make it look
factory, but outperform factory, and be emission legal, we'll talk now.
Anyone with a wrench and a catalog can make a Chevy go fast, no brain power
needed there. Now to make it a step above the rest takes some brains, so listen
up son. Lol (and for the record, you're probably my age, so get a grip.).
When your car runs fast in the quarter mile, has all working accessories, you
don't have to drive it with two feet at the stop sign to keep it running and
it's emission legal, you've got something.
Until then, prove what you say with dyno numbers.
Newsflash: You don't have to own a dyno to get numbers. You can have the car
dyno run at a speed shop.
Your ignorance shows when all you think about is removing equipment to go fast.
Guess what? Technology has improved that you don't have to do that. And those
that follow that are better, faster and cleaner than you. Not to mention have
more money in their wallets. Lol.
Bigjfig
>Date: 12/11/2001 12:52 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <6JrR7.110684$6b.89...@news2.calgary.shaw.ca>
Your ignorance shows more and more, dude.
First of all, an LG4 is a slug. Plain and simple, and to no offense driving
one. I'm not into speed in my cars, but trust me a 305 LG4 will get wiped by a
normally aspirated GM 3.8 V6 and most 4 cylinders on the road with any kind of
oomph under the hood. So why would you spend all that money?
Now, who's the one that needs help? :)
If you choose to sink money into a 305 like that, what you spent on it already
would put you 1/2 way to a 350. Don't think so? Sorry, it's true. And a 350
will consistently embarrass you every time, right down to the smogged 350's of
the 70's.
What you can't get through your head is that your emission standards are the
equivalent of 1979 emission standards in Canada. Check the GM emission charts
in the parts information at the dealer. Ask Roy from England who used to post
on this group. I decoded his 85 Camaro. It has an M4M type carb (do you know
what this is? There are SPECIFIC combinations for export and Canada in the
parts literature. Newsflash: They are no faster than their "smogged"
counterparts.
Go ahead, decode the Rochester carb type up ahead. I'm waiting...... When you
know what this is, we'll talk shop. Until then, I said, it, CBHVAC said it.
Prove it. All talk till now.
I can get the GM parts fiche printouts. I can prove what I say, how about you?
:)
Funny that Canada signed the world accord to ban CFC production to save the
air. But, why would they care? Who needs good air to breathe, right? :) Cars
don't contribute to emissions, do they? Nah. :)
So, why do you need to resort to "You Americans" to prove your point?
Newsflash: You're an American too. NORTH AMERICAN as we are as well. Lol.
Got smog?:)
L83
personal attacks.
> Anyone with a wrench and a catalog can make a Chevy go fast, no brain
power
Maybe, but not everyone can make a crossfire engine run fast. that does take
brain power, extensive ecm and engine modifcation. you cant just slap
new heads and a lumpy cam in these things and make them fast. It takes some
serious planning and major fuel map tuning.
my car is on track to run mid 12's off the bottle when modications are
finished. It now runs high 13's, and with the heads cam and some more
induction work will really wake it up and it will runs 12's. Im not going to
gas it until i have the tranny redone.
L83
moderators fling the shit back and forth. These two have been like this for
years.
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L83
with some minor work
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morons cant figure that out, tough shit.
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L83
reading this group thats seems to be all you do. that and brag about the
hemi.
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self
No.
Not when some snot-nosed, skinned-fingered, mexican-speed-wrench-using,
Canuck just won't listen to plain old common sense.
You know, a lot of us tore the smog pumps and other supposedly 'useless
gear' offa our first cars, too. But then we got our driver's licenses
<snicker>, and learned a REAL thing or two. Like the difference between
'sounds loud' and 'goes like stink'. And 'wow it looks so kewl jacked up'
and 'I just put the fast rate springs in up front'....etc.
Of course, some souls are just forever doomed by their own stupidity to keep
doing the mental equivalent of sticking cards in the spokes, rather than
trying to understand the true essence of 'high performance'.
So, No. We can't all just get along, when there are people who are just
plain wrong, who refuse to open their eyes, OR shut their mouth.
Flame away.
Greg Stoner
Bigjfig
>Date: 12/11/2001 7:48 PM Eastern Standard Time
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Who's moderating?
Post something of technical and substantative value and we'll listen.
You say ripping out emissions equipment gains you HP. Yet, you've got nothing
to prove that.
But.....plenty of magazines disprove you and prove otherwise. And do it
cheaper, cleaner and faster :).
Quote a GM parts book. Quote a GM reference book. Point to a valid reference.
Put out dyno numbers. Send a URL.
Until you can back it up, it's all talk, nothing more.
Bigjfig
>From: "L83" l...@telus.net
>Date: 12/11/2001 7:48 PM Eastern Standard Time
Your buddy still contends ripping it out is the way to go. Yet, he can't prove
otherwise.
If that's your game fine, but it's no high tech or even viable way to go. Fact
is you still have smog heads, smog cam, smog engine. Done :).
The Vampire Muffin Man
>Date: 12/11/2001 8:47 PM Eastern Standard Time
>is that all you do is sit here and talk smack. In the 4 years ive been
>reading this group thats seems to be all you do. that and brag about the
>hemi.
I've been on this group for 6 years, three months and six days and I know for a
fact that you're full of shit.
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>> Get off your high horse idiot. We are talking real world, and if you two
>> morons cant figure that out, tough shit.
>>
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>> > im trying here..im making valid techical points and these 2 self
>appointed
>> > moderators fling the shit back and forth. These two have been like this
>> for
>> > years.
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decal??
50 extra seat of the mind ponies....:)
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L83
pretend they own everything. Come visit us at www.thirdgen.org and
www.corvetteforum.com as they engines and managment are similar.
the tech forums there are just tech, these no smack talking, this crap wont
fly, you disagree fine, you start the personal attacks, your gone. People
have dyno sheets and time slips for every mod you could think of, including
loss of airpump and cat. Just ask. They dont care why you want to do
something, they'll tell you how to do the mod, and proof of the results.
There are guys running 11's on emission compliant engines and guys who tore
there injection out and are running carbs. Nobody cares this did this.
Whether these guys want to believe tossing the pump is a benefit doesnt
matter. An engine is alot easier to work on with all the crap removed.
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L83
best mod you could do."
you do enough 2-3hp mods and they add up. A typical tpi engine should have
enough free mods to add 20hp, more if you toss the mufflers. That is fact.
Take alook at the l98's with free mods running mid to low 13's. Then do you
induction, heads cam, and add another 100 to that.
In weight savings alone the pump and its assorted crap is worth the
equivlent of adding 2hp, You can try to figure the math yourself since im
too stupid to explain it. Toss a few more things and your at the equivilant
of 10hp, in weight savings alone, thats a tenth in the 1/4, thats the
difference between win and loose.
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CBHVAC
the body panel with fiberglass, remove anything that weighs more than you
do...loose 20 pounds, and you have a 500HP monster with a 305 in it...
And what you guys were saying about the pump...it was YOU guys that said
that...want me to quote the comment that leads credence to such?
Again, someone, uneducated about how to make real HP, asked a question,
wanted free advice, and he got it.
he did not like the answer, because he could not run out and get a belt to
fit after, or whatever...so a bitch session started. Not one of you has
addressed many legitimate questions and comments made, but instead, start
with some name calling, and crap that basically screamed...ok...we lost this
one, but we wont go out quietly.
Funny....you guys talk a big bit, but how many of you ride around with a
laptop connected and figure out ways to modify particular feedback to tweak
an extra 2 or 3 HP out of a programmable engine controller? Not one of you
anti smog guys.
Plain and simple, and for the last time: Removal of smog equipment if for
uneducated fellas that are probably unwilling to take a moment and learn
some things.
Do it your way, and we will be laughing when you come back in here in a few
years asking for advice how to get it to pass with all the shit you took off
long gone...
Guess what? The answer will be: Should have listened.
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> laptop connected and figure out ways to modify particular feedback to
tweak
> an extra 2 or 3 HP out of a programmable engine controller? Not one of you
> anti smog guys.
I DO.
My post from earlier
I have made countless data logs from the various ecms and not one of the
proms
requried editing after the smog equpment was gone. With the one exception of
the cat on my car, required a little fatteing up in the top end to
*optimize* performance, as tossing the cat opened the exhaust aiding in
power and adding some addtional fuel aided in power more
How do you think i new it required more fuel if i didnt have a laptop hooked
up. I didnt go by a fancy accel dfi controller that requires little
electronics knowledge. I modified existing gm equipment to work. I am
editing my prom at this moment, as i am also modifying a better laptop for
use. I use tuner cat to edit my prom, my eprom programmer is a modular tech
sunshine programmer, i am using custom designed software known as winaldl
written by friends to interface the ecm. My ecm is a 1227747 from an 87
pickup spliced into the engine. I have a pile of edited bin images would you
like to see? I'd attach them but im really to stupid too.
Did you rewire an ecm and hack its prom to change your parameters? Or did
you just go aftermarket point click system.
CBHVAC
I cant use anymore...its easier than peeling the silver decal off and
leaving in the sunlight for a day...
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bulb is on order.
you dont want to agree with me fine..i dont care..dont call me stupid when
you know nothing about me or what ive done.
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derivitive perhaps? they seem to be the most popular for mpfi applications
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Post the link with the dyno sheets for all to see.
If you think you get 50 hp from removing a smog pump, how much would I get on
my 220 horse 400 by taking the cat off? 80 HP?
Lol. Some people's figures are warped. With all that time, you could be
spending it and the money to make it look right (removing stuff like that makes
it look crude and butt ugly) and put the money where you'll get REAL gains.
Better hope you don't get real inspections with visual and dynos. In such case,
removing the equipment is grounds for failure even if it passes.
And no, I don't live in California either. :)
ph...@onenet.net
Popular Hot Rodding did a comparison recently. Same car, engine, tranny,
exhaust system, etc. Only difference? Cat or no cat. Guess which one had 5hp
more? (if I remember correctly.) The one with the cats.
Bill
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Don'tforget the Vtek badge on the back. <G>
Bill
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Here in Ohio, where we have real visual and sniffer emissions tests on a
dyno, any missing smog equipment will get you failed, no matter how clean
the car burns fuel.
Bill
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L83
you make it sound like we said "loose the pump, you'll gain 50hp its the
best mod you could do."
you do enough 2-3hp mods and they add up. A typical tpi engine should have
enough free mods to add 20hp, more if you toss the mufflers. That is fact.
Take alook at the l98's with free mods running mid to low 13's. Then do you
induction, heads cam, and add another 100 to that.
In weight savings alone the pump and its assorted crap is worth the
equivlent of adding 2hp, You can try to figure the math yourself since im
too stupid to explain it. Toss a few more things and your at the equivilant
of 10hp, in weight savings alone, thats a tenth in the 1/4, thats the
difference between win and loose.
"Bigjfig" <big...@aol.com> wrote in message
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L83
me started on the lt4's 280rwhp to 330rwhp
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Bigjfig
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You're missing the point once again.
As Bill stated the one WITH THE CAT was 5 hp AHEAD of the one without it.
There goes your "remove it faster theory".
This has been proved 100 times over in many magazines.
Bigjfig
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How many of those mods involve defeating emission controls? So it's illegal,
yet you are gaining. That's priceless....
Tossing the mufflers, that's real classy. A ghetto blaster in the making. Just
what I want to be driving. Lol.
Dennis Scott
in his last post.
>
> I don't own a dyno so you won't find any numbers, and I sure as hell don't
need them to know that
> I'm going faster than factory. (I guess you two do, eh?) When I worked on
the exhaust, I ditched the
> whole factory setup and put on Hooker Shorties dropping into a 3 inch
y-pipe, which converged into a
> single 3 inch intermediary pipe before culminating in a Walker Quiet Flow
performance muffler, with
> two 2 1/2 inch tail pipes.
>
> None of this smog pump and catalytic converter bs. We prairie boys know
how to make hp--we ain't no
> limp wrists worried about what California has to say ;)
> --
> Todd
>
>
I live on the Kansas prairie and we build some of the fastest vehicles on
earth, and I still use the pump and cats and keep them in good operating
condition. If you have any doubts, check me out in Hot Rod. I've been in
that magazine several times as well as on Hot Rod TV. I've also been in GM
High Tech and Performance. All because of a certain little 97 Z-28 that
retains all emission equipment. It's the stupid ones who refuse to learn.
Once upon a time, I too thought the way to performance was to remove all
smog and emission equipment. I have seen the light and it was very bright
about 15 years ago. CBHVAC has as well been the center of attention in the
media. I've caught him on Speedvision a couple of times. Believe it or not,
there are several folks in here that would make all your automotive
knowledge look like a preschooler.
--
"Todd" <spammen...@home.com> wrote in message
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L83
parts vary alot, even the lamest newbie such as yourself would know that.
Did they dyno these care with cats on both and get identicle readings? Now
they didnt because even if they had cats they would never get the same
numbers
this remove it go faster isnt a theory, my completley stock car when i
bought it would run 15.2's consistantly with removal of the air pump, cat, a
k&n, a modification to the aircleaner and hood it would then run 14.8-9
consistently,
now with some more serious inductions modification,some programming and
every other free mod possible it runs 13.9's 13.8's
read....*every 2-3hp adds up* this is not a drag car, if it was i'd just
drop in a big block and be done with it. I want an as close to stock
appearing as possible engine wih as much power as possible. The limit for my
engine is about 360hp at that power level how could a free flowing exhaust
not help. You people maybe be confusing low end torque with hp..possible on
a stock engine revoming the cat will slow the exhaust gases and the torque
curve will shift higher..giving the appearance of a loss of torque, and it
may infact actually lower the peak hp, but even a rookie knows peak hp means
nothing..i want the largest possible squared area under my torque curve. Pay
attention to that you dont seem to be getting it. Peak hp means nothing.
"Bigjfig" <big...@aol.com> wrote in message
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L83
article..i mean exact copies from off the dyno jet...if so find the area or
the toque curve on the 2 charts and compare them...if you can figure that
out..Dont argue numbers with me, engine math is my specialty
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L83
where i live and many other places. And tossing the mufflers is a very
common modification for a corvette visit vette forum and ask how many people
have had this done..a few thousand at least.
"Bigjfig" <big...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Dennis Scott
--
> No.
>
> Not when some snot-nosed, skinned-fingered, mexican-speed-wrench-using,
> Canuck just won't listen to plain old common sense.
>
> You know, a lot of us tore the smog pumps and other supposedly 'useless
> gear' offa our first cars, too. But then we got our driver's licenses
> <snicker>, and learned a REAL thing or two. Like the difference between
> 'sounds loud' and 'goes like stink'. And 'wow it looks so kewl jacked up'
> and 'I just put the fast rate springs in up front'....etc.
>
> Of course, some souls are just forever doomed by their own stupidity to
keep
> doing the mental equivalent of sticking cards in the spokes, rather than
> trying to understand the true essence of 'high performance'.
>
> So, No. We can't all just get along, when there are people who are just
> plain wrong, who refuse to open their eyes, OR shut their mouth.
>
> Flame away.
>
> Greg Stoner
>
>
>
Well said, Greg.
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