67 Firebird
sadd...@webtv.net
I have a 67 Firebird w/ original 400 cube
WZ engine, 4spd and posi rear.
The car seems to have no options and is all original except for old
Torque Thrust Mags and new tires. Body is solid and near excellent...No
Rust...but could use a paint job. Interior is mint. Engine is out of car
and needs major overhaul and is missing the heads, intake and carb. Car
has 16,000 orig. miles. I`m thinking of selling it as is, but don`t know
what a fair asking price would be!
I know it`s hard without seeing the car, but would appreciate any and
all help.
Car is in SW FL. Thanks.....Joe..
Tarver Engineering
<sadd...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> Hi to all, A great group you have here.
> I have a 67 Firebird w/ original 400 cube
> WZ engine, 4spd and posi rear.
There was no 4 speed available in 67.
> The car seems to have no options and is all original except for old
> Torque Thrust Mags and new tires. Body is solid and near excellent...No
> Rust...but could use a paint job. Interior is mint. Engine is out of car
> and needs major overhaul and is missing the heads, intake and carb. Car
> has 16,000 orig. miles. I`m thinking of selling it as is, but don`t know
> what a fair asking price would be!
$550.
> I know it`s hard without seeing the car, but would appreciate any and
> all help.
> Car is in SW FL. Thanks.....Joe..
>
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in 67 !!!!
Dennis Scott
What? No four speed in 67? I must have been dreaming that I had one, then!
They put the M-21 in as the standard four speed with a small block. You
could also get a three speed, a Powerglide, or the M-22 four speed.
--
"Tarver Engineering" <john_...@juno.com> wrote in message
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>
> <sadd...@webtv.net> wrote in message
> news:12565-3A...@storefull-296.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
> > Hi to all, A great group you have here.
> > I have a 67 Firebird w/ original 400 cube
> > WZ engine, 4spd and posi rear.
>
>
Tarver Engineering
<sadd...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> This car did come from the factory with a 4 speed manual transmission
> in 67 !!!!
No 67 firebird came from the factory with a four speed. The firebird would
have been faster than the corvette in the 1/8th off the show room floor that
way and GM said no.
John
Tarver Engineering
"Dennis Scott" <dsc...@kc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:U_3%5.63823$_O.55...@typhoon.kc.rr.com...
> > There was no 4 speed available in 67.
>
>
> What? No four speed in 67?
That is a fact.
> I must have been dreaming that I had one, then!
> They put the M-21 in as the standard four speed with a small block. You
> could also get a three speed, a Powerglide, or the M-22 four speed.
There was no small block available in a firebird in '67.
Thanks for playing.
John
Dennis Scott
were talking about Camaros, not 'birds. I apologize. You may be right. I
just know about my 67 Camaro. It happens when you're old. When I'm wrong, I
admit it.
--
"Tarver Engineering" <john_...@juno.com> wrote in message
news:3a3ce...@goliath2.newsfeeds.com...
Musclecar
<john_...@juno.com> wrote:
>
>"Dennis Scott" <dsc...@kc.rr.com> wrote in message
>news:U_3%5.63823$_O.55...@typhoon.kc.rr.com...
>> > There was no 4 speed available in 67.
>>
>>
>> What? No four speed in 67?
>
>That is a fact.
>
>> I must have been dreaming that I had one, then!
>> They put the M-21 in as the standard four speed with a small block. You
>> could also get a three speed, a Powerglide, or the M-22 four speed.
>
>There was no small block available in a firebird in '67.
Try again!
The were 5 Firebirds available in 1967:
1. base Firebird came with a 165 hp 230cid overhead cam 6 cyl.
2. The Firebird Sprint had a 215 hp 326cid V8
3. Firebird HO had a 326 4 bbl rated at 285 hp
4. Firebird 400 had a 400 cid rated at 325 hp (included chrome engine
parts and a heavy duty 3 pseed)
5. Ram air was available that utilized the scoops on the hood
There was 82,560 Firebirds produced in '67.
He shoots, he scores, and that's the game!
Tarver Engineering
"Musclecar" <hotro...@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:akvp3tgdabte944j4...@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 17 Dec 2000 08:50:50 -0800, "Tarver Engineering"
> <john_...@juno.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Dennis Scott" <dsc...@kc.rr.com> wrote in message
> >news:U_3%5.63823$_O.55...@typhoon.kc.rr.com...
> >> > There was no 4 speed available in 67.
> >>
> >>
> >> What? No four speed in 67?
> >
> >That is a fact.
> >
> >> I must have been dreaming that I had one, then!
> >> They put the M-21 in as the standard four speed with a small block. You
> >> could also get a three speed, a Powerglide, or the M-22 four speed.
> >
> >There was no small block available in a firebird in '67.
> Try again!
>
> The were 5 Firebirds available in 1967:
> 1. base Firebird came with a 165 hp 230cid overhead cam 6 cyl.
> 2. The Firebird Sprint had a 215 hp 326cid V8
> 3. Firebird HO had a 326 4 bbl rated at 285 hp
> 4. Firebird 400 had a 400 cid rated at 325 hp (included chrome engine
> parts and a heavy duty 3 pseed)
> 5. Ram air was available that utilized the scoops on the hood
Which is the small block, clown boy?
John
Bigjfig
>From: "Tarver Engineering" john_...@juno.com
>Date: 12/17/00 3:24 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <3a3d2...@goliath2.newsfeeds.com>
Well, technically he's "right". There are no big block Pontiac engines, so
saying the 400 "small block" Pontiac was installed in a 1967 Firebird would be
a correct statement. Since all of those Pontiac engines are 'small blocks' it's
technically a correct statement.
In fact, no big block Chevy engines used in Firebirds either, in any
generation.
Not sure about the transmission availability in a 1967 Firebird. Would have to
check the parts book to confirm. I would have gathered there was some manual
transmission option, not sure about a 4 speed. Should be easy enough to find
out.
Joe--ASE Certified Parts Specialist
'80 Carousel Red Turbo, 26k original-->http://www.0rdernet.com/Mean_Pont
'79 10th Ann. 400/4 speed, 57k original-->http://home.earthlink.net/~bryanan
'84 Olds Delta 88, 307 "Rocket" (lol), 137k and still going....
Tarver Engineering
"Bigjfig" <big...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20001217160331...@ng-cs1.aol.com...
Bullshit, all '67 Pontiac V8 engines are on the same Block as the Chevy 396.
> In fact, no big block Chevy engines used in Firebirds either, in any
> generation.
Thanks for playing.
Bigjfig
If I remember correctly, the 396 & 402 are Chevy big blocks (not into Chevy as
much as Pontiac), and to my recollection there is NO Pontiac big block.
Therefore, a 1967 400 (which is dimensionally the same as my 1979 400) would be
of "small block" design.
If what you're saying is true, I can go around touting my 79 400 as a big block
:)?. It is by design, the same as the original 400's that came out in 67. Even
a 455 Pontiac is NOT a big block. It is a BIG CUBE motor, but it's not a big
block.
Tarver Engineering
> >Subject: Re: 67 Firebird
> >From: "Tarver Engineering" john_...@juno.com
> >Date: 12/17/00 4:17 PM Eastern Standard Time
> >Message-id: <3a3d2...@goliath2.newsfeeds.com>
<snip>
> >Bullshit, all '67 Pontiac V8 engines are on the same Block as the Chevy
396.
> >
> >> In fact, no big block Chevy engines used in Firebirds either, in any
> >> generation.
> >
> >Thanks for playing.
> If I remember correctly, the 396 & 402 are Chevy big blocks (not into
Chevy as
> much as Pontiac), and to my recollection there is NO Pontiac big block.
> Therefore, a 1967 400 (which is dimensionally the same as my 1979 400)
would be
> of "small block" design.
You are an idiot.
Bigjfig
>Message-id: <3a3d3...@goliath2.newsfeeds.com>
Gee thanks. You offer no explanation and no help, and I'm the idiot. Great
logic. Not the first time you've stirred up trouble here. Also not the first
time I've proven your posts wrong, and you were pretty quiet about it.
Thanks for being so cool. Please have a clue before posting something in the
future :)
Now, can anyone confirm what I've said?
Bigjfig
>From: big...@aol.com (Bigjfig)
>Date: 12/17/00 5:54 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <20001217175428...@ng-cs1.aol.com>
By the way, if your logic held true, then why don't the parts catalogs
differentiate parts for "big" and "small" block Pontiac motors, but they DO for
Chevy?
Tarver Engineering
You have never proven any of my posts wrong fig leaf.
The Chevy Big Block casting is identical to the Pontiac and Buick V8 of the
era.
Tarver Engineering
<snip>
> By the way, if your logic held true, then why don't the parts catalogs
> differentiate parts for "big" and "small" block Pontiac motors, but they
DO for
> Chevy?
Ponticac never based any V8 engine on the GM small block casting. The only
casting Pontiac used was the GM big block. The Pontiac 326 is a much
stronger engine than the chevy 327.
Of course this only includes those years when Pontiac had their own V8
engines. (pre 1980)
RSCamero
>>Gee thanks. You offer no explanation and no help, and I'm the idiot. Great
>>logic. Not the first time you've stirred up trouble here. Also not the first
>>time I've proven your posts wrong, and you were pretty quiet about it.
>>
>>Thanks for being so cool. Please have a clue before posting something in the
>>future :)
>>
>>Now, can anyone confirm what I've said?
>>
>>Joe--ASE Certified Parts Specialist
>>
>>'80 Carousel Red Turbo, 26k original-->http://www.0rdernet.com/Mean_Pont
>>'79 10th Ann. 400/4 speed, 57k original-->http://home.earthlink.net/~bryanan
>>'84 Olds Delta 88, 307 "Rocket" (l
>
>
>
>By the way, if your logic held true, then why don't the parts catalogs
>differentiate parts for "big" and "small" block Pontiac motors, but they DO for
>Chevy?
I've always heard that the Pontiac blocks were the same basic
phisical size. That is except for the 301 c.i. blocks. Maybe a
standard block would be a better description.
...Ron
--
1968 Camaro RS -
Running but still not ready
for the road yet. One part at a time.
rscamer...@frontiernet.net
http://www.frontiernet.net/~rscamero/camaro1.html
RSCamero
<john_...@juno.com> wrote:
>The Chevy Big Block casting is identical to the Pontiac and Buick V8 of the
>era.
>
>John
I'd like to hear more about this. Can you recommend a book
that I can read that will give a reason why G.M. would do such a
thing.
Bigjfig
>From: RSCamero@... ( RSCamero)
>Date: 12/17/00 7:44 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <3a3d5bd4...@news.frontiernet.net>
They are identical for size, and I do think the 301 is the exception. But
they are NOT advertised as big blocks, the Chevy engines ARE differentiated,
cataloged and KNOWN as being of small and large block design.
My point was....when you say small block, you are *implying* Chevy produced
units as there is a known marketing/manufacturing difference. A Pontiac V8 is
a Pontiac V8 in this sense. If you say you have a "big block" Pontiac, you
don't, they are not differentiated as the Chevy units are.
And for the record, the posts I've corrected were merely providing more
detailed and better information than was previously posted. Notice I don't get
nasty? I just give good information from my experience :).
If you look in any parts catalog they don't split Pontiac V8 parts, but they DO
split Chevy V8 parts based on small and big block Chevy.
Joe--ASE Certified Parts Specialist
'80 Carousel Red Turbo, 26k original-->http://www.0rdernet.com/Mean_Pont
'79 10th Ann. 400/4 speed, 57k original-->http://home.earthlink.net/~bryanan
Tarver Engineering
" RSCamero" <RSCamero@...> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 17 Dec 2000 15:41:16 -0800, "Tarver Engineering"
> <john_...@juno.com> wrote:
>
>
> >The Chevy Big Block casting is identical to the Pontiac and Buick V8 of
the
> >era.
> >
> >John
>
> I'd like to hear more about this. Can you recommend a book
> that I can read that will give a reason why G.M. would do such a
> thing.
Money.
Bird Of Fire
>
> "Dennis Scott" <dsc...@kc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:U_3%5.63823$_O.55...@typhoon.kc.rr.com...
> > > There was no 4 speed available in 67.
> >
> >
> > What? No four speed in 67?
>
> That is a fact.
That you pulled out of your ass.
>
> > I must have been dreaming that I had one, then!
> > They put the M-21 in as the standard four speed with a small block. You
> > could also get a three speed, a Powerglide, or the M-22 four speed.
>
> There was no small block available in a firebird in '67.
>
> Thanks for playing.
Too bad you lose huh?
Info was pulled from: and is a direct copy/paste.
http://firstgenfirebird.org/firebird/FAQ/trans_clutch/trans.html
Q: '67 Original Transmissions
How can I find out what tranny is now in my 1967 Firebird since it
has been replaced too, it started with an auto 2 speed but now has a 4 speed
in the floor
A: The car could originally be had with:
3-Speed Warner (Manual)
3-Speed Saginaw (Manual)
4-Speed Muncie (close or wide ratio) (Manual)
4-Speed Saginaw (Manual)
3-Speed Turbo Hydra-Matic 400
2-Speed Powerglide (Automatic)
*AAAAAAAAAAND there's more!*
Q: Identifying Saginaw 4-speed or a Muncie 4-speed on a '67
How can one tell *FOR SURE* if you have a Saginaw 4-speed or a
Muncie 4-speed. How about if its a M21 close vs m22 wide ratio? I read
somewhere that all 67 4speed birds were saginaw-equipped (something about
deloean and co having very little time to get the 67 model out the door?)
Did some 68's also have saginaws?
A: They both have 7 bolts on the cover. The reverse lever on the
Muncie is mounted IN the extension housing, where the Saginaw reverse lever
is mounted in the side cover.
The M-22 close ratio transmission is easily identified
INTERNALLY from the M-20 and the M-21 versions by the angle of the gear
teeth. The M-22 was only produced in a close ratio version, so it will not
appear on models with high rear axle ratios (3.55 or lower numerically)
unless someone has changed it out. The "rock crusher" came in 70-73 years
but was also in 67 vettes. The M-22 differs from the 21 and 20 in the input
shaft, cluster gear, first, second, third and reverse idler gear.
Can't speak to the Saginaw Firebird 67 vs. 68 theory. I would
imagine there was a mixture depending on engine type or more importantly
axle ratio. Check your two digit axle code.
A: V-8s used Muncies,OHC-6 1 and 4 bbl used saginaws but a few
4bbl OHC had muncies ( assembly line goof ups), Easy way to tell apart is
muncies are alum. and saginaws cast iron. Also muncies have the reverse
lever in the tailshaft. No M-22 were installed in early Firebirds. First
gear is 2.20 in a M-21 or 22
So ...tell me why again that there's no manual trannies in a 67 Firebird?
Riiiiiiight.
>
> John
>
--
-*Bird Of Fire*-
1967 Pontiac Firebird
Car Craft Anti-Tour Alumni
http://www.rglobal.net/users/phil
"I think my transmission is broken dude."
bills...@my-deja.com
That's it? Your big rebuttal? <G>
Guess the debate is over now.
In article <3a3d3...@goliath2.newsfeeds.com>,
"Tarver Engineering" <john_...@juno.com> wrote:
> You are an idiot.
Sent via Deja.com
http://www.deja.com/
Bird Of Fire
his shit up. He's like the one guy you know (and we all know one of these
guys) that had a 66 GTO with a 5 inch rear end, 6.88 gear ratios, a 9 speed
manual transmission, and a 587ci Hemi AMC motor. Yeah you know the kinda guy
I'm talking about. All he EVER does is come in hear touting himself as the
motherfucking guru of all things Pontiac. Yet I've managed to prove him
wrong on SEVERAL occasions, and all he can do is come back with a "you're a
moron" reply. In fact I'm so fucking bored right now I'm going to go on Deja
and prove this to EVERYONE in case they forgot!
Here's a good laughable one. Copy/paste it into your address bar and it
should work.
http://x55.deja.com/[ST_rn=ps]/getdoc.xp?AN=590970651&CONTEXT=977107880.1295
515650&hitnum=101
This one's also pretty good. Showing off his knowledge on posi's.....
http://x55.deja.com/[ST_rn=ps]/getdoc.xp?AN=612268380&CONTEXT=977107880.1295
515650&hitnum=87
But this one...*THIS* one takes the fucking cake.....
http://x75.deja.com/[ST_rn=ps]/getdoc.xp?AN=616886018&CONTEXT=977108764.8975
15544&hitnum=87
Or if you'd like you can read the entire thread! Messages 19,20, and 21
pretty much sum up his intelligence. He knows about as much as Pontiacs and
cars in general as I do flying a Japanese jet plane.
--
-*Bird Of Fire*-
1967 Pontiac Firebird
Car Craft Anti-Tour Alumni
http://www.rglobal.net/users/phil
"I think my transmission is broken dude."
" RSCamero" <RSCamero@...> wrote in message
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Musclecar
specifically states the 4 speed as an option.
Mr. Floppy
<SNIP!!!!>
Hey Tarver, go piss up a rope. Engineer my ass! Kerplunk!
--
Mr. Floppy
http://my73camaro.50megs.com
Mr. Floppy
news:91k0cb$q6j$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
>
>
> That's it? Your big rebuttal? <G>
>
> Guess the debate is over now.
>
> In article <3a3d3...@goliath2.newsfeeds.com>,
> "Tarver Engineering" <john_...@juno.com> wrote:
> > You are an idiot.
Sounds like something Gore would have said to Bush in a debate. ROFL
Tarver Engineering
"Mr. Floppy" <my73c...@takethisout.mailcc.com> wrote in message
news:Kyh%5.16391$2X.10...@dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net...
> <bills...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> news:91k0cb$q6j$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> >
> >
> > That's it? Your big rebuttal? <G>
> >
> > Guess the debate is over now.
> >
> > In article <3a3d3...@goliath2.newsfeeds.com>,
> > "Tarver Engineering" <john_...@juno.com> wrote:
> > > You are an idiot.
>
>
> Sounds like something Gore would have said to Bush in a debate. ROFL
That is all the floppy punk has.
Tarver Engineering
"Bird Of Fire" <id...@think.so> wrote in message
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> "Tarver Engineering" <john_...@juno.com> wrote in message
> news:3a3ce...@goliath2.newsfeeds.com...
> >
> > "Dennis Scott" <dsc...@kc.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:U_3%5.63823$_O.55...@typhoon.kc.rr.com...
> > > > There was no 4 speed available in 67.
> > >
> > >
> > > What? No four speed in 67?
> >
> > That is a fact.
>
> That you pulled out of your ass.
>
> >
> > > I must have been dreaming that I had one, then!
> > > They put the M-21 in as the standard four speed with a small block.
You
> > > could also get a three speed, a Powerglide, or the M-22 four speed.
> >
> > There was no small block available in a firebird in '67.
> >
> > Thanks for playing.
>
> Too bad you lose huh?
> Info was pulled from: and is a direct copy/paste.
> http://firstgenfirebird.org/firebird/FAQ/trans_clutch/trans.html
None were delivered.
Thanks for playing.
Did your pice of shit burn to the ground yet?
I am only 60 miles from you, so if you ever get your junk working I'll come
down in a real furbird and spank you.
John
Bird Of Fire
Nope none were delivered. Figures. Where is your proof of that? Oh yeah you
don't have any. Here's some info from:
http://www.0rdernet.com/Mean_Pontiac/
*This beautiful Plum Mist Ram Air I Firebird belongs to Jim Mattison of
Pontiac Historic Services. Only 65 "Ram Air" Firebirds were built in 1967,
45 manuals and 20 automatics. This car is one of the ultra rare 20
automatics.*
You wanna rethink your statement? And no my POS didn't burn to the ground I
was too busy driving it 750 miles in a weekend to San Fran and back. Might
recognize it in Car Craft October issue. You know the issue where my car is
in it and yours isn't? Yeah thought so. And My junk has been working all day
every day. It's never broken down and left me stranded on the side of a
road. Wow only 60 miles. Come down here and do that! The fuck does it prove?
That you can beat a kid that has 1/4 the amount of money that you do in your
car. God damn must be strange to live in a world where you threaten a kid,
and make false statements about cars with no fucking proof whatsoever to
back them up. So tell me John, because the ENTIRE news group is dying to
know....were you born retarded or did you have to fucking work at it?
p.s. - Is your car one of the ultra-rare 350 OHC powered special edition
F-Bodies with the "FURBIRD" emblems on em? I read about those in...wait no I
didn't yer always full of shit you motherfucking self-titled "engineer".
Musclecar
Mr. Floppy
>
http://x55.deja.com/[ST_rn=ps]/getdoc.xp?AN=590970651&CONTEXT=977107880.1295
> 515650&hitnum=101
>
> This one's also pretty good. Showing off his knowledge on posi's.....
>
>
http://x55.deja.com/[ST_rn=ps]/getdoc.xp?AN=612268380&CONTEXT=977107880.1295
> 515650&hitnum=87
BWAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!! "positrack"?? What the fuck is a
"positrack"?!? LOL I've heard of "Positraction", a marketing term for a GM
limited slip differential. "positrack" ROFL (I love the explanation of
what a "positrack" is too - Hey John you fucking dolt, that's a SPOOL!)
> But this one...*THIS* one takes the fucking cake.....
>
>
http://x75.deja.com/[ST_rn=ps]/getdoc.xp?AN=616886018&CONTEXT=977108764.8975
> 15544&hitnum=87
Hmm... OHC in a 68 'Bird... that's pretty funny, considering that all his
arguments lately have been about the block being the same as a BBC block.
Now, when did GM ever put out an OHC version of this motor in ANY car? It's
not possible from a geometry standpoint, let alone an R&D cost!!
"Ponticac never based any V8 engine on the GM small block casting. The only
casting Pontiac used was the GM big block. The Pontiac 326 is a much
stronger engine than the chevy 327." -- John Tarver
"Of course this only includes those years when Pontiac had their own V8
engines. (pre 1980)" -- John Tarver
What a fucking moron. You know, I think he, Shane, fIREbIRD, and all the
trolls lately are the same damn person.
Bigjfig
What's the matter John, PHS no good for ya? They are only IN CHARGE OF GM's
records.
Bigjfig
>From: "Bird Of Fire" id...@think.so
>Date: 12/17/00 10:15 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <91jv8...@enews4.newsguy.com>
Based on this posting, I was thinking of changing my signature file to:
Joe-ASE Parts Specialist:
80 T/A Turbo
79 10th Anniversary "400" big block. Lol.
84 Olds 307 (small block...but still going!)
Bigjfig
>Message-id: <91kik...@enews4.newsguy.com>
None were delivered.
Thanks for playing.
-------Thanks Bird of Fire, you win! Sorry John, for you as a consolation
prize, we have one of those rejected big block Pontiacs! Or is it a Chevy?
-----Joe. I'll take Pontiac engines for 200, Jack.....
Musclecar
Firebirds were 4-speeds. Tarver, don't be a SORE LOSERMAN. Concede
before your credibility is down the toilet. Whoops, I guess you
already flushed it!
Copied and pasted from:
http://firstgenfirebird.org/firebird/1967/history.html
According to a note by engineer Ben Harrison, by the end of March over
33,000 Firebirds were sold, 77.8
percent had V-8 engines, 70.4 percent automatic transmissions,
29.1 percent dual exhausts, 16.7 percent air
conditioning, 15.3 percent four-speed manual transmissions, 13.8
percent limited-slip differential, 7.4 percent
equipped with front disc brakes, 4.2 percent with front bench
seat, 3.8 percent with adjustable steering column,
2.5 percent with power windows, and 0.5 percent with cruise
control. The production year ended in September
'67.
CBHVAC
key.
<bills...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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>
>
CBHVAC
There were NO Furbirds
produced...Furbys...yes....Firebirds..yes..Furbirds...NO.
what a twat.
"Tarver Engineering" <john_...@juno.com> wrote in message
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mrvette
Pontiac A and B body hotrodder, but even the B body came with 4 speed
stick....;-)))
GENE
--
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have, nor do they deserve, either one. -- Thomas Jefferson
"If Microsoft is the answer may I please have the problem back?"
Dennis Scott
color is the sky in your world, John?
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"Bird Of Fire" <id...@think.so> wrote in message
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Tarver Engineering
"Musclecar" <hotro...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> Do your homework Johnboy. Here is some info on 1967 Firebirds. It
> specifically states the 4 speed as an option.
>
> http://www.classicfirebird.com/1967/67firebird.html
None were delivered.
GM did not want a stock Firebird outrunning their corvette between
stoplights.
Ford and Chrysler ruled the tracks; Pontiac ruled the streets.
It is like the "rare" '67 convertable with AC; only a complete nerd would
air condition a convertable in '67. Now you can find many "rare" '67
convertables with AC.
John
Thanks for playing.
Tarver Engineering
> "Bird Of Fire" <id...@think.so> wrote in message
> news:91jv8...@enews4.newsguy.com...
>
> >
>
http://x55.deja.com/[ST_rn=ps]/getdoc.xp?AN=590970651&CONTEXT=977107880.1295
> > 515650&hitnum=101
> >
> > This one's also pretty good. Showing off his knowledge on posi's.....
> >
> >
>
http://x55.deja.com/[ST_rn=ps]/getdoc.xp?AN=612268380&CONTEXT=977107880.1295
> > 515650&hitnum=87
>
> BWAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!! "positrack"?? What the fuck is a
> "positrack"?!? LOL I've heard of "Positraction", a marketing term for a
GM
> limited slip differential. "positrack" ROFL (I love the explanation of
> what a "positrack" is too - Hey John you fucking dolt, that's a SPOOL!)
The URL is for the people manufacturing the differential my silly fool.
Does your car burn down every time you frive it like bird on fire?
John
Tarver Engineering
"CBHVAC" <in...@carolinabreezehvac.com> wrote in message
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> Engineers can not spell...
> There were NO Furbirds
> produced...Furbys...yes....Firebirds..yes..Furbirds...NO.
In High School that is what a firebird got you.
> what a twat.
Sweet sweet pussy.
John
Tarver Engineering
> Backing up Bird of Fire. Here is more PROOF that indeed 15% of 1967
> Firebirds were 4-speeds. Tarver, don't be a SORE LOSERMAN. Concede
> before your credibility is down the toilet. Whoops, I guess you
> already flushed it!
>
> Copied and pasted from:
> http://firstgenfirebird.org/firebird/1967/history.html
>
>
> According to a note by engineer Ben Harrison, by the end of March over
> 33,000 Firebirds were sold, 77.8
That number would include 1968 Firebirds; as there was no 1967 Firebird
until May of that year.
Bigjfig
>From: "Tarver Engineering" john_...@juno.com
>Date: 12/18/00 1:43 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <3a3e5...@goliath2.newsfeeds.com>
manual transmission.. If it didn't exist, tell me please why I was able to find
parts for the following 1967 400 Firebird with a 4 speed in the Pontiac parts
catalog (which was published in 1983, 10+ years after production):
67 4 speed F/Bird, shifter plate #3921895
Same as above, reverse rod, 67 only #3930075
67-69 Pont. F car, 4 speed Saginaw repair kit #3886338
67-69 Pont. F car, 4 spd Saginaw seal #3844036
Rear extension, 67-69 Muncie #3857583
67-68 F car, 400 MT, exc. Ram air, camshaft #9779067
Speedo Gears, 67 F car, 400 MT, #3987917-920
67 4 speed F car Neutral Safety Switch #1993420
among many others....
Those are bona fide GM part numbers, serviceable and listed for a 67 4 speed
400 Firebird specifically.
Not to mention that there are illustrations listing BOTH a Muncie & a Saginaw 4
speed in the catalog.
And you've said I've never corrected your posts. Well, consider this the first
one then :)
Futhermore, when you have documented proof from GM's Service Parts Engineering
Group in writing of the 1000+ errors that you've found in their parts catalogs
(as I have, including a card that I proved to them three ways that a 1983
Cadillac didn't have a V6, even though their engineers said it did), then we'll
talk shop.
It's your attitude more than anything else that irks me.......didn't your
parents teach you that if you don't have anything nice (or in this case right)
to say, don't say it :)?
bills...@my-deja.com
match. Don't care enough about this Tarver guy to even trace him. <G>
Bill
In article <Ovh%5.16390$2X.10...@dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net>,
Joker
Firebird,.......the real From The ......Joker....
I have a few more links ,i just got a 1968 Firebird,so ive been looking
all over for inormation,.Email me if youd like....
PSYCH...@Webtv.net
First Generation Firebird
Address:http://firstgenfirebird.org/ Changed:4:52 PM on Friday, December
15, 2000
bills...@my-deja.com
only makes you look like your position is wrong.
Bill
In article <Kyh%5.16391$2X.10...@dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net>,
"Mr. Floppy" <my73c...@takethisout.mailcc.com> wrote:
> Sounds like something Gore would have said to Bush in a debate. ROFL
Jay S
>
>
> -------Thanks Bird of Fire, you win! Sorry John, for you as a consolation
> prize, we have one of those rejected big block Pontiacs! Or is it a Chevy?
> -----Joe. I'll take Pontiac engines for 200, Jack.....
> Joe--ASE Certified Parts Specialist
Come on Joe... By now you should know it's a big block Chevy Block
with Pontiac OHC heads, backed by a force peed transmisshun. :)
Jay S
Musclecar
with a 400 big block hemi, 4 speed M22 rock crusher, and a 12 bolt
4.88:1 with a Detroit locker. Of course it was triple black with a/c,
ps, pb, pw, pdl, speed minder, power top, RAM AIR, Camaro RS folding
headlights, and could run 9's in the quarter on street tires while
utilizing the air conditioning!
Mr. Floppy
>
http://x55.deja.com/[ST_rn=ps]/getdoc.xp?AN=612268380&CONTEXT=977107880.1295
> > > 515650&hitnum=87
> >
> > BWAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!! "positrack"?? What the fuck is a
> > "positrack"?!? LOL I've heard of "Positraction", a marketing term for a
> GM
> > limited slip differential. "positrack" ROFL (I love the explanation
of
> > what a "positrack" is too - Hey John you fucking dolt, that's a SPOOL!)
>
> The URL is for the people manufacturing the differential my silly fool.
Do you understand how stupid that sentence sounded? Yet you call me a
fool?? BWAHAHAHAHAH!!! It's called a 'grammar checker'; learn to use it,
IDIOT!
> Does your car burn down every time you frive it like bird on fire?
Nope. Infact, my car is very reliable. How about yours? Or are you too
busy blowing your dog to answer? Does your family know about you and your
dog?
> John
So, now that we have that settled, please put down the crack pipe and back
away slowly. The word "Positraction" is a marketing term coined by GM for a
limited slip unit, you stupid fuck. Get a clue!!!!!!!
Mr. Floppy
news:20001218185646...@ng-fi1.aol.com...
>If it didn't exist, tell me please why I was able to find
> parts for the following 1967 400 Firebird with a 4 speed in the Pontiac
parts
> catalog (which was published in 1983, 10+ years after production):
They don't exist ONLY in his little world. Remember, he thinks he knows
everything about cars. He's an "Unganeer". Engineer in what field? I'd
say it's in the field of sucking his dog.
Tarver Engineering
> >From: "Tarver Engineering" john_...@juno.com
> >Date: 12/18/00 1:43 PM Eastern Standard Time
> >Message-id: <3a3e5...@goliath2.newsfeeds.com>
> >
> >
> >"Musclecar" <hotro...@verizon.net> wrote in message
> >news:a20s3tgm9f8aqeqa6...@4ax.com...
> >> Backing up Bird of Fire. Here is more PROOF that indeed 15% of 1967
> >> Firebirds were 4-speeds. Tarver, don't be a SORE LOSERMAN. Concede
> >> before your credibility is down the toilet. Whoops, I guess you
> >> already flushed it!
> >>
> >> Copied and pasted from:
> >> http://firstgenfirebird.org/firebird/1967/history.html
> >>
> >>
> >> According to a note by engineer Ben Harrison, by the end of March over
> >> 33,000 Firebirds were sold, 77.8
> >
> >That number would include 1968 Firebirds; as there was no 1967 Firebird
> >until May of that year.
> Ok, did some research today on this non-existent 67 Firebird with the 4
speed
> manual transmission.. If it didn't exist, tell me please why I was able to
find
> parts for the following 1967 400 Firebird with a 4 speed in the Pontiac
parts
> catalog (which was published in 1983, 10+ years after production):
Almost all the parts catalogs for '67 Firebirds are hosed. Even the plug
wire lengths were reversed for AC and non AC for 30 years.
The 4 speed was intended by Pontiac to be offered and by backing off the
timing on the '68 their problem was eliminated.
Tarver Engineering
> "Bigjfig" <big...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20001218185646...@ng-fi1.aol.com...
>
> >If it didn't exist, tell me please why I was able to find
> > parts for the following 1967 400 Firebird with a 4 speed in the Pontiac
> parts
> > catalog (which was published in 1983, 10+ years after production):
>
> They don't exist ONLY in his little world. Remember, he thinks he knows
> everything about cars.
I only post about first generations; a topic your troll patrol is completely
clueless about. Even the one of you that has a first generation runs a
rolling fire trap.
> He's an "Unganeer". Engineer in what field?
Electrical Engineer
> I'd
> say it's in the field of sucking his dog.
An odd fantasy you have there floppy. Of course noone is surprised.
Bird Of Fire
>
> "Bigjfig" <big...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20001218185646...@ng-fi1.aol.com...
> > >Subject: Re: 67 Firebird
>
> timing on the '68 their problem was eliminated.
>
> John
>
>
>
>
Then why were a total of *45* 1967 Pontiac Firebird R/A-I's DELIVERED to the
owners with a FACTORY 4 speed? Are you blind? Can you not read? Or are you
stupid John? Or is it a fucking combination of the two? And in regards to my
supposed "firetrap" automobile, where the fuck is your grand piece of glory,
1/4 mile thrashing, gets your ass to work and back every day, drive it for
at LEAST an hour just having fun, make spontaneous road trips to the middle
of nowhere for the fuck of it, AUTOMOBILE?! Is it make believe like all your
fucking statements? Yeah my car is ugly, but so's your mother. Least *I*
have the fucking *BALLS* to put it up where *ANYONE* in this newsgroup can
see it within *2* fucking clicks. Show me your ride or shut up. Plain and
simple. Or are they like your facts and figures about firebirds, and your
manlihood as well, all thought up imaginary pipe dreams? Do tell John the
world is dying to know. And if you EVEN give me this "I was there shit" then
you did more of your fair share of acid tabs back in the 70's, because your
memory, or lack thereof is starting to show.
Bigjfig
>Message-id: <91n5u...@enews4.newsguy.com>
We'll see what's what. I e-mailed a very reliable Pontiac source to see if I
can get some information on the particulars of these vehicles. I will post the
results shortly when I have more information.
A parts catalog would not list a price and that many parts if it were indeed an
error. One or or two parts yes, but not a whole mass of them like that. Plus,
they also list a 4 speed for a 6 cylinder as well as an 8. Your initial post
said there was no 4 speed in 1967.
John, let's see a URL to some pictures of your Firebird and the details on it.
Have a PHS sheet on it, a scrapbook, anything to enlighten this group? Mine's
listed below.
The old parts catalogs, depending on the year of publication ARE reliable.
Errors do happen, remember, I've found a 1000 of them? However, the old ones
are probably the more reliable out there.
Paddy68
>None were delivered.
How can you be so sure? Where you there to see every car in 67 being made?
Your statement is incorrect.
>GM did not want a stock Firebird outrunning their corvette between
>stoplights.
This one is even better. Unless you can show me documentation that this was
the feeling throughout GM I will again call your statements false and
inaccurate.
>Ford and Chrysler ruled the tracks; Pontiac ruled the streets.
This statement might have been true of the early to mid sixties but with the
introduction of the Chevy Big Block came a new world order. Pontiacs were
still competitive but they no longer held the advantage they once had.
>It is like the "rare" '67 convertable with AC; only a complete nerd would
>air condition a convertable in '67. Now you can find many "rare" '67
>convertables with AC.
I have no idea where you're trying to go with this statement. All first
generation A/C convertibles were and are rare. I don't even understand what
that has to do with your argument. I have been reading this thread chomping at
the bit because of your obvious ignorance which is loosely vailed in your
sarcastic, pompous writing style. Admit you're wrong on this one and next time
try to be a man about it instead of a child who thinks he is omniscient. No
one can say with a 100 percent certainty that Pontiac did or didn't do
something. There were alot of "one-off" cars built for VIP's and GM brass that
had some pretty crazy options. I'm not saying this is the case with the
4-speed, which has always been an option with the Firebird, I'm just saying
that GM was like Burger King of the sixties. "Have it Your Way...At Gm"
Pat A
69 Firebird 400 Conv.
Non AOLers E-mail me at Maxb...@AOL.com
Paddy68
>Almost all the parts catalogs for '67 Firebirds are hosed. Even the plug
>wire lengths were reversed for AC and non AC for 30 years.
Yeah the plug wires being reversed is a clear indication to me that they also
added things into the parts books that never existed...oh...look here...in the
56 Cheifton parts book they have the optional passenger air bag part number.
Are you that vain John? You are wrong. You misread something once, a log time
ago and I bet it went something like this. "The 67 Firebird was offered with a
standard 3-speed manual transmission," Here's where you stopped reading. If
only you were to continue and found that the rest of the sentence said, "An
optional 4-speed manual could be had for an extra..." Get over it John. NONE
WERE DELIEVERED is not a very strong defense.
>
>The 4 speed was intended by Pontiac to be offered and by backing off the
>timing on the '68 their problem was eliminated.
Paddy68
>timing on the '68 their problem was eliminated.
>
>John
What??? So why then did they start offering the 4-speed in 68? That hole
is getting bigger John. I think you better crawl out of it or start looking at
coffins. I would love to see where you get your information. Just name one
book. I have them all and I also worked restoring first Gens for eleven years
of my life. I would love to know where you get this information. Please just
show me one piece of reference material. I will not except anything written in
purple crayon in your mothers handwriting either John. You have to do this
project yourself.
Paddy68
>an
>error. One or or two parts yes, but not a whole mass of them like that. Plus,
>they also list a 4 speed for a 6 cylinder as well as an 8.
Yes, This was for the Sprint car. A sporty 4 Bbl model of the standard 6 cyl
intended to target the euro crowd.
Bigjfig
>From: pad...@aol.com (Paddy68)
>Date: 12/19/00 3:54 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <20001219155404...@ng-cs1.aol.com>
Well everyone, perhaps this answers both of John's points. And for the record
John, you are WRONG on both. So, I ask that the real "idiot" stand up. Guess
what? I've been sitting the whole time, so it isn't me :). You called me an
idiot, when I was making a point, which of course turned out to be valid, but
what I say I back up, and for one am never nasty about it. Don't tell me no one
ordered a 400 Firebird with a 4 speed, either. Lol.
So, I ask you John, as I SAID earlier, the Pontiac blocks differ from the Chevy
blocks unlike your statement, "Bullshit the 67 Pontiac V8's are the same block
as a 396 Chevy". It's the same as no other V8. If they were the same parts
would interchange. For one, the Chevy V8 has the filter housing integral to the
block, it's not on the Pontiac to my knowledge. They are different castings and
based on different things.
John, "Thanks for Playing". Perhaps you should have taken a life line when you
had the chance :). You will be offered a consolation prize though, a Pontiac
"big block". I might an extra one to send ya :).
The following is from a very well known source of Pontiac information :). I
think you all know who he is :):
Perhaps next time you'll be a bit more cordial to posts here and you'll offer
some sound advice as others do without the attitude.
C'mon down, you're the next contestant on the "Block is Right".
:)
-----
Joe,
In 1967, you could get a 4-speed transmission on "any" Firebird, from the 1bbl
six
cylinder, to the Ram Air.
The Pontiac V-8 engine is dimentionally bigger than a small block Chevy and
smaller
than the big block Chevy. All Pontiac engines are the same size externally,
from the
301 to the 455.
Jim Mattison
-----Original Message-----
From: Big...@aol.com <Big...@aol.com>
To: p...@phs-online.com <p...@phs-online.com>
Date: Monday, December 18, 2000 7:32 PM
Subject: Question
I have used your service in the past, and have your documentation for both
of my cars. I have a question, which will settle a dispute for me if you have
the answer:
In 1967, was there a 4 speed option on any Firebird models, and if so, which
engines/models (ram air, non ram air, 326, 400)? I show record according to
the GM parts catalog that such an option does exist, but someone is
contesting it was "never delivered" with a 4 speed in 1967.
Second question for you: Pontiac V8's are all of small block design to my
knowledge. That is, they are all dimensionally identical, and there is no
"big block" Pontiac motor, as is the case with Chevy. Someone is proporting
that the Pontiac V8 engine design is the same as the "Chevy 396" (which I
know to be a big block Chevy). My knowledge is that all Pontiac V8's
(excepting possibly the 301) are dimensionally identical, unique, and are NOT
based on the Chevy 396 (big block) casting.
I'd appreciate your input on these two subjects. I read somewhere that
someone at PHS actually has a 67 4 speed Firebird (with a 400) and is
documented. However, there is someone that I am in dispute with that says
this car does not exist in 1967.
Thanks for the help. Great service!
Joe F.
1980 Pontiac Turbo T/A, 26k original
1979 Pontiac Tenth Anniversary T/A, 400 4 speed, 1 of 1,817 made.
Bigjfig
>Message-id: <20001219163057...@ng-cs1.aol.com>
Yes Pat, that is right. However, John's post was that the 4 speed was not used
in 1967.
In fact, however, I have an old Pontiac parts catalog illustration that states
that the Firebird used both a Saginaw and Muncie 4 speed in 1967.
CB
someone had WAY too much time on his hands a hemi was never in a Pontiac.
CB
Musclecar <hotro...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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CB
Engineering www.amesperf.com
CB
CB <x...@xxx.com> wrote in message
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Paddy68
>Chevy
>blocks unlike your statement, "Bullshit the 67 Pontiac V8's are the same
>block
>as a 396 Chevy". It's the same as no other V8. If they were the same parts
>would interchange. For one, the
>Chevy V8 has the filter housing integral to the
>block, it's not on the Pontiac to my knowledge. They are different castings
>and
>based on different things.
In Addition to the oil filter housing being a part of the block on a Chevy
(bolt on with a Pontiac engine) the housing itself is on the opposite side of
the block. Pontiacs oil filter housing is on the passenger side and the Chevy
is on the driver side. This is also true about the Starter motor.
Pontiac-driver side...Chevy-Passenger side. There are plenty of differences
between the two. I would say the Pontiac is closer in dimension to a small
block then a big block. Have you ever seen a Big Block first generation
Camaro? They had to make a special blower motor box which has the heater core
tubes passing through the middle of it.
Paddy68
>smaller
>than the big block Chevy. All Pontiac engines are the same size externally,
>from the
>301 to the 455.
The only difference is inside the Pontiac engine. The larger Poncho engines
(428,455) had larger main journals than the smaller cube engines
(326,350,400,etc.) I have heard these large journal engines called Big Blocks
since I started liking cars and they will continue to be called this when I
start restoring wheelchairs. I personally don't mind but I understand the many
that do
tri...@sprintmail.com
<john_...@juno.com> wrote:
>
>"Bigjfig" <big...@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:20001217175926...@ng-cs1.aol.com...
>
><snip>
>
>> By the way, if your logic held true, then why don't the parts catalogs
>> differentiate parts for "big" and "small" block Pontiac motors, but they
>DO for
>> Chevy?
>
>Ponticac never based any V8 engine on the GM small block casting. The only
>casting Pontiac used was the GM big block. The Pontiac 326 is a much
>stronger engine than the chevy 327.
>
>Of course this only includes those years when Pontiac had their own V8
>engines. (pre 1980)
>
>John
>
>
>
>
>
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pontiac never based the motors on a chevy block, I sure wish they
did, would make getting hi po parts a hell of alot easier!
Tarver Engineering
"Paddy68" <pad...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20001219155404...@ng-cs1.aol.com...
> John wrote:
>
> >None were delivered.
>
> How can you be so sure? Where you there to see every car in 67 being
made?
> Your statement is incorrect.
You are mistaken.
Tarver Engineering
"Bigjfag" <big...@aol.com> wrote in message
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<snip>
> Well everyone, perhaps this answers both of John's points. And for the
record
> John, you are WRONG on both. So, I ask that the real "idiot" stand up.
Guess
> what? I've been sitting the whole time, so it isn't me :). You called me
an
> idiot, when I was making a point, which of course turned out to be valid,
but
> what I say I back up, and for one am never nasty about it. Don't tell me
no one
> ordered a 400 Firebird with a 4 speed, either. Lol.
You are an idiot. GM never deliverd a '67 400 Firebird with a 4 speed.
In case you didn't notice your only reference was for March and there were
zero '67 Firebirds deliverd by March 1967.
Mr. Floppy
What happened to your old ISP? Too expensive for you and your "engineering"?
Or did your "engineering" engineer you out of a job? I believe they have a
word for that kind of engineering, and that's "(insert favorite word
here)-rigging".
CBHVAC
original from 67...and you are wrong..
There was the Saginaw, and the Muncie, and you can thank John Delorian for
the fact that a factory 4 speed exists..
Also, I think the mistake you made about none being used except in the Vette
comes from the fact that the M22 and not the M21 was used heavily in the
Vettes those years..
Now....
Lets REALLY get you started....whats this about Fo Mo Co being stamped on
some 3 speeds??
Oh...you say it didn't happen?? That a Dearborn was never used??
WRONG. They did, and because the 3 speeds that GM offered that year could
not stand up to the torque ratings of the higher HP V-8s...and thats one
reason more people ordered 4 speed trannys...
Go fuck yourself moron..you are wrong...dead fucking wrong.
"Tarver Engineering" <john_...@juno.com> wrote in message
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>
Dennis Scott
Tarver, how's Andy and Barney. As an engineer, you should stick to fixing
old black and white televisions. You have proven you diddly about the
automotive world.
--
"Mr. Floppy" <my73c...@takethisout.mailcc.com> wrote in message
news:ORgOTDuaAHA.456@cpmsnbbsa07...
<><><><><>
block) onto a 1967 Pontiac 400? Since they're from the same casting.
| You have never proven any of my posts wrong fig leaf.
|
| The Chevy Big Block casting is identical to the Pontiac and Buick V8 of
the
| era.
|
| John
RSCamero
about a 1/2 hr. looking for info on it.
...Ron
--
1968 Camaro RS -
Running but still not ready
for the road yet. One part at a time.
rscamer...@frontiernet.net
http://www.frontiernet.net/~rscamero/camaro1.html
20th Turbo T/A
on this. I've seen numerous people post reliable sources to counter your
claim.
You simply make a statement with no corroborating information.
20th Turbo T/A
Tarver Engineering <john_...@juno.com> wrote in
| > This car did come from the factory with a 4 speed manual transmission
| > in 67 !!!!
|
| No 67 firebird came from the factory with a four speed. The firebird
would
| have been faster than the corvette in the 1/8th off the show room floor
that
| way and GM said no.
|
| John
Musclecar
That was meant as a sarcastic remark to the Mayberry fix-it-guy
Tarver ENG. And while you're at it you got your Hemi's wrong too.
I know this is a Camaro/Firebird group so I'll make it quick.
The Hemi was introduced in 1951 as a 331 cid (made 180 hp). In 1956
the 354 Hemi came out in the Chrysler 300 B making 355 hp. It was
later increased to 392 cid. The big 426 was introcued in 1964 and was
the engine that swept the Daytona 500 taking 1st rough 4th place. If
you're gonna dog my post make sure you do it accurately. You are right
though, never in a Pontiac.
Bigjfig
>From: "Tarver Engineering" john_...@juno.com
>Date: 12/20/00 6:29 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <3a414...@goliath2.newsfeeds.com>
Thanks for playing clown, but you're wrong.
Your original post said no 4 speed Birds in 1967. Period. I have proven you
wrong, and so has the dude at PHS. You read the answer and you know you are
wrong. You then go on to tell me the parts catalogs are wrong. The hole's
getting deep dude, and you're getting buried in it.
You also claimed that the Pontiac block and the Chevy block castings were based
on each other. Again you are a fool, and again you are wrong. Forgot about that
one, huh, John? Forget what you said?
I never mentioned anything about the month of March in my post. You need to
rethink your posts, pal.
I solicited outside input, and guess who turned out to be right? You have no
proof, no documentation, just shooting off at the mouth. I, along with the
others, have proof.
Get some proof and we'll talk. I've stated mine here. Still haven't gotten that
URL of your supposed Firebird.....shouldn't you share your "show & tell" with
the class? :)
I hear shuffleboard is good hobby... :)
Bigjfig
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>
>
You are wrong and YOU know it. It's getting deep buddy.
Please show me proof, any proof, you can back up your statements.
Paddy68
>some 3 speeds??
>Oh...you say it didn't happen?? That a Dearborn was never used??
>WRONG
You sir are correct. Once again this Tarver guy proves his ignorance. When
will this guy open a book and take his foot out of his mouth?
Paddy68
>You are mistaken.
>
>John
Prove me wrong John and I will admit to you that I was. Just saying it is so
and rubbing your hands together isn't going to make it right John. Why not go
open a book and try to extract some information from it instead of acting like
the fat kid at a 9 year olds birthday party that refuses to admit he shit
himself. We all smell the dump in your pants you call facts John, go clean
yourself up and come back with some proof.
Mr. Floppy
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> Tarver is as much an engineer as 'the fix-it man' in Mayberry. By the way,
> Tarver, how's Andy and Barney. As an engineer, you should stick to fixing
> old black and white televisions. You have proven you diddly about the
> automotive world.
GOOBER!!!! That's Tarver's new name! ROFL! Right on Dennis!! LOL
Mr. Floppy
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> Hey CB,
> That was meant as a sarcastic remark to the Mayberry fix-it-guy
> Tarver ENG.
Just call him "Goober". ROFL
CBHVAC
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334 Poly head
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354 Poly head
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526
550
Granted, some were used in the DeSoto line, but ALL were ChryCo design, and
build.
The Poly head was a Hemi, just eliminated some parts, and had a VERY
identifiable valve cover, with no spark plug wire tubes, but had huge
notches cut out and the plug was in the center. Also, the combustion
chambers, were cast, not machined. Also, the valve train was modified.
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gweinert
Acadian (or some spelling like that) is?
Seasons Greetings
GW
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Bigjfig
>From: "gweinert" gwei...@controlinstruments.com
>Date: 12/21/00 10:48 AM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <91t93m$143$1...@paxfeed.eni.net>
Yes, in fact they did. Most of the Canadian Pontiacs DO have Chevy powered
engines. This carried through the 1980's. The Pontiac Parisienne originally
started out as a Canadian model, then in 1983 or 1984 or so, it became an
American model to. Some of the Pontiacs are even a unique menagerie or
Pontiac/Chevy trim and options.
My friend looked at a 60's Pontiac recently which had a Chevy 409. When he
called me up, I knew exactly what he was talking about....
Paddy68
>>Acadian (or some spelling like that) is?
>>Seasons Greetings
>>GW
>Yes, in fact they did. Most of the Canadian Pontiacs DO have Chevy powered
>engines. This carried through the 1980's.
>The Pontiac Parisienne originally
>started out as a Canadian model, then in 1983 or 1984 or so, it became an
>American model to. Some of the Pontiacs are even a unique menagerie or
>Pontiac/Chevy trim and options.
Actually in most cases these Canadian cars were just Chevrolets with different
Grilles, tail lights and small things like this. They were essentially Chevys
with a Pontiac badge and some cosmetic changes. They had their own names for
them as well. I won't pretend I know much more than this without further
researching them though. The one car I seem to remember was a 69 Chevelle that
was changed in the ways I listed above and released as a Pontiac. I'm sure
someone on this list who is from Canada can tell us more about these cars.
RSCamero
<gwei...@controlinstruments.com> wrote:
>Did Pontiac use Chevrolet engines in Pontiacs in Canada? Is this what a
>Acadian (or some spelling like that) is?
>Seasons Greetings
>GW
>
I think that the Acadian/Acadia ( something along those
lines) was a Chevelle with a different front end and sold as a
Canadian model. I've seen one example and spent 10 minutes going over
the differences that I could see between it and the Chevelle.
...Ron
Pentium
Same as the U.S. verison of Pontiac T1000 of 1981 and 1982. In 1983 it was
renamed Pontiac 1000, without the T. The only difference was the grille.
Acadian belonged to Pontiac of Canada.
Acadia was the Chevrolet Chevelle Candian Verison.
Not sure about the Acadia. Might belong to Pontiac of Canada also.
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Dennis Scott
I've got his name and address somewhere. I've also got some video of him and
his car. I know it looked brand new, but it was completely stock, so it
didn't register in my mind. I just thought it was a white Pontiac.
--
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poncho462
I had to change the thread since this one is so long. The paragraph seems to
be on the mark. I've got a buddy in Canada who gave me a lot of information
on Canadian Pontiacs. The link below is a pretty good site for the Beumont,
aka the Chevelle.
I still can't figure out if I like the taillights or not. ;^)
http://www.superaje.com/~jtreffers/index.htm
Dave
Paddy68
>I had to change the thread since this one is so long. The paragraph seems to
>be on the mark. I've got a buddy in Canada who gave me a lot of information
>on Canadian Pontiacs. The link below is a pretty good site for the Beumont,
>aka the Chevelle.
>I still can't figure out if I like the taillights or not. ;^)
>
>http://www.superaje.com/~jtreffers/index.htm
>
Thanks Dave. I zipped around from link to link for awhile. There is some
pretty cool info on these cars out there. Since I'm more of a First Gen.
Firebird guy I wasn't exactly ready to go out and buy one after looking at the
sites but it was fun to see Pontiacs you don't see too much of. Thanks again
for the link.
I found a pretty cool site while pretending I was working today. It is a site
dedicated to cars rotting away in barns. The topic sucks I know but it's a
cool site none the less. Check it out the next time you're pretending to work.
HEHEHE
http://www.rottingamericanmuscle.homestead.com/index.html
Pentium
sweet doc of roadrunners...
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poncho462
> Dave (Poncho462) wrote:
>
> >I had to change the thread since this one is so long. The paragraph seems
to
> >be on the mark. I've got a buddy in Canada who gave me a lot of
information
>
> pretty cool info on these cars out there. Since I'm more of a First Gen.
> Firebird guy I wasn't exactly ready to go out and buy one after looking at
the
> sites but it was fun to see Pontiacs you don't see too much of. Thanks
again
> for the link.
> I found a pretty cool site while pretending I was working today. It is a
site
> dedicated to cars rotting away in barns. The topic sucks I know but it's
a
> cool site none the less. Check it out the next time you're pretending to
work.
> HEHEHE
>
Pat,
I've been to that site before and it's pretty depressing. I used to live
near a guy with an early 383 4 speed Road Runner that sat in the street in
front of his house. Every couple of months he would fire it up and let it
run for a while before shutting down till the next time. I tried to buy it
from him, but he always said he was going to "fix it up one day". The
Florida sun is pretty brutal to cars so you can imagine how years of sitting
killed the paint and the interior. I'll bet it's still sitting there.
I guess you can tell I pretend to work more than I should. ;^)
BTW, first gens are pretty cool, and I personally like the 69s the best. I'm
sure your car is a lot more collectable than my 76 T/A. But I'm not to
worried about keeping the car 100% stock since it's a fairly non-desirable
car, which leads to lots of fun at the track. ;^)
Dave(320 hp at the rear wheels last trip to the dyno with a bum carb)
Jay S
>Acadian was the Pontiac's Chevrolet Chevette Candian Verison, >1976-1987.
>Same as the U.S. verison of Pontiac T1000 of 1981 and 1982. In >1983 it was
>renamed Pontiac 1000, without the T. The only difference was the >grille.
>Acadian belonged to Pontiac of Canada
Before that, the Acadian was the Canadian Pontiac version of the Nova.
Before that , the Acadian was a Chevy II
The Acadian in this form was made from '62-'67 and could be had as
either a Canso , Invader or Beaumont.. Confused yet??
Well , The Beaumont switched from the H body Chevy II to the A Body
in '64 when the Chevelle first appeared. The Acadian changed body styles
when the Chevy II was updated to the newer Nova body.
In total , the Beaumont was made from '62 - '69
I could be wrong on some facts as I'm going mostly from memory.
I don' t want to hear that there were Acadian Big block chevy/pontiac
motors with 4 speeds that were never delivered in '67 prior to May... OK????
:o)
Jay S
CB
CB
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CB
block. Of course look at the 409 Chev, then the 348 Chev, Then the 368
International Harvester V8's. They all look identical, (scalloped valve
covers, intakes, etc).
CB
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CB
coupe.
CB
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Paddy68
>with 4 speeds that were never delivered in '67 prior to May... OK???? :o)
>Jay S
Too funny. If you really sit back and look at this whole argument it is so
pathetic. I joined the battle because of the way this Tarver guy was trying to
hold court or something. People would chim in with things like, "well I own a
67 with a four speed", and he would come back with something like,"you sir are
an idiot, there is no saving you from the stupidity that is you, there were
never any 4-speed cars delivered in 67." I must say the preceding was not a
quote from John Tarver and is a made up response to convey the feeling of his
posts. I don't mind people thinking they're god but I do mind pompous people
who have they're facts all wrong.
I am a transient alt.autos.camaro.firebird guy. I scan through all the
posts and only really read the threads involving first gens or performance
stuff. I reply only when the person can't seem to get the right answer. I
will, however, and have ripped people for their ignorance if they are also
being nasty. I have in turn been ripped for posting the wrong info. It's all
a part of trying to help people. Everyone makes mistakes. No one likes to
admit when they are wrong. I understand that.
I would have just tried to correct this John charactor if he were being
nice to the other posters. He wasn't and to boot he was ending his snide
remarks with "Thanks for playing" like it was some kind of game. I'm sorry if
I have turned some people off because of this thread. I know I stopped posting
for awhile after all the trolls found this place about a year ago. The group
became just about ripping each other and no problems were solved. I think this
post has gone on long enough. I am sorry but I tend to be a bit long winded
most of the time. Have a Happy Holiday everyone.
Paddy68
>sweet doc of roadrunners.
Yeah, I have a fondness for the 70 Road Runner myself. My first boss is the
original owner of a numbers matching 70 that he "restified" I have done my
fair share of work on it making it appear as stock as possible. I'm the only
person other than his son in law that he even lets touch/drive the thing. He
has said on numerous occasions that the car will be offered to me before anyone
if he ever decides to sell it. I'm still waiting...LOL