How are you guys handling assholes behind you tailgating?
Sourena Arjangpour
Hi,
Another quick question: I've observed many many times, almost everyday,
either on a normal street or highway, some prick from behind, they just
get
too damn close to me. This could happen at 40Km/h or at 130Km/h. I
typically
maintain my speed or even slow down to give them the message, but they
never
get the message. I really don't know how to handle it anymore (in fact I
thought
I should make an electronic scrolling display on the back of the car
that says:
slow down or we're both in danger....). And if I slow down too much,
given his
IQ and judgement (and car!) , he probabely won't even be able to stop in
time!
Also, I generally leave a fair distance between me and the car in front
of me,
and always another advantage-taker just HAS to squeeze in front of me!
This one also disgusts me.
Any of you had similar experiences? And how did you handle it?
Thanks
Sourena
Raymonator
I agree with you 100%, the same exact thing happens to me everyday. I guess the
best thing to do is move over and let them pass you. It's not worth getting
killed by some friggin idiot - and there are lots of them.
Jordbill
lane. It's not your place to set the speed limit for that lane.
Mike Miller
<sou...@netcom.ca> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Another quick question: I've observed many many times, almost everyday,
> either on a normal street or highway, some prick from behind, they just
> get
> too damn close to me. This could happen at 40Km/h or at 130Km/h. I
> typically
> maintain my speed or even slow down to give them the message, but they
> never
> get the message. I really don't know how to handle it anymore (in fact I
> thought
> I should make an electronic scrolling display on the back of the car
> that says:
> slow down or we're both in danger....). And if I slow down too much,
> given his
> IQ and judgement (and car!) , he probabely won't even be able to stop in
> time!
>
> Also, I generally leave a fair distance between me and the car in front
> of me,
> and always another advantage-taker just HAS to squeeze in front of me!
> This one also disgusts me.
>
> Any of you had similar experiences? And how did you handle it?
>
> Thanks
> Sourena
Brake test em! Then move over, let them go by and as they do you give them
the one finger salute (lets them know that they are number one).
Mirage
Fast lane is for speed.
In Germany, if you drive 120km/h you will not drive in fast lane.
It is that simple.
It happens to me, many times.....you get an ancient car with driver from the
last century, in fast lane.
And what do you do ??
First flash lights politelly few times......then get closer to get some
attention.
And, that's when they tap on brakes. Just makes me even more upset.
Then, I overtake from the other side....
As for me being in fast lane I ALWAYS check my mirrors ans move over,
ALWAYS.
Alex
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Mirage
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Mike
And how about me testing your brakes immediately after that, in your lane,
down to 1st gear on a highway ???
I wonder if you would have time to show who is, as you say, number one ??
Alex
kmic
accidents on the road.
kmic
slow driver is just to pass them. even if i have to break the law doing so,
i hate to be stuck behind a shitty driver. you ask what you're supposed to
do in this situation? you should do anything, BUT slam on your breaks.
people tend to think that graduating high school gives them some sort of
driving teacher license. i've been in situations where people are so intent
on making their bumper a piece of my car, that they would to anything their
car can do to make me hit them. i've even been followed home and verbally
attacked by some of these people, but i've never had someone try to
physically attack me. it's only a matter of time before that happens. the
people who have road rage are reading this and probably saying "i'd kick the
shit out of that guy". if you are thinking that, please seek help...for the
sake of every aggressive driver. i tend to stay very calm in these
situations. i just imagine some circus music playing in the person's car,
because for all i know, they have to have a circus in their head to drive
the way they do. some of the things that shitty drivers do can be so damn
funny that it can't be put into words. so unless you did something wrong to
the tailgaiter, they'll get off your tail soon enough. deal with it and let
the cops handle the guy. it's not a good idea to play teacher on the road.
"Sourena Arjangpour" <sou...@netcom.ca> wrote in message
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Paul Howland
Idiot.
Mirage <mir...@mirage.co.za> wrote in message
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John L. Harleman
as it is only for passing. it creates dangerous situations where drivers
start passing on the rights, etc. hitting the brakes is assinine and asking
to be hit (and creates road rage). who is one to decide how much faster over
the speed limit people should be allowed. are we talking 5 mph, 10 mph, 20
mph? if you want to stick to the law, only use the left lane for passing.
i'm american, but lived in germany for 8 years. most americans (and
canadians) are completely sucky drivers. $10 and multiple choice... i'm too
scared to ride my bike here.
Mirage
Alex
Paul Howland <peho...@iee.org> wrote in message
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> Does your insurance company know you drive like this?
>
> Idiot.
>
>
Paul Howland
So basic communication proves a problem for you too?
Perhaps you should try having your testosterone level surgically reduced
before you kill either yourself or someone else.
Mirage <mir...@mirage.co.za> wrote in message
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Mirage
When in traffic, driving, driving fast, I am not thinking
about my insurance company !! ???
What are they going to think about me, my family, my car, or you
makes no difference whatsoever.
I can imagine how you feel then......thinking about insurance,
wife, kids, school fees.....
Shame.......never mind that you called me an idiot......I feel for you buddy
:(
However.....(sorry I can't draw for you here).....let me finish :
Safety........
You think that it's safe for you to brake in front of faster car ??
Do you think that Volvo '64 model with a WWII veteran behind the
wheel, doing 90 km/h in fast lane is safer than me doing 140km/h
in '99 BMW ????
Ever been to Europe ??
Germany ??
Seen how decent people drive......and NO accidents......
In the country where there's no speed limit.
Your should not strain you brain, if you don't understand......
you see, most probably, your testerone levels were surgically
reduced at your age of 3, maybe 4.
Best regards
Alex
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Matt O'Toole
Matt O.
Mirage <mir...@mirage.co.za> wrote in message
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> Mike Miller <nos...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:nospam-0412...@ppp15.t0.rio.com...
> > Brake test em! Then move over, let them go by and as they do you give
them
> > the one finger salute (lets them know that they are number one).
>
ROUNDEL540I
the right!!!!!
mario
Sourena Arjangpour wrote in message <38498115...@netcom.ca>...
>
>Hi,
>
>Another quick question: I've observed many many times, almost everyday,
>either on a normal street or highway, some prick from behind, they just
>get
>too damn close to me. This could happen at 40Km/h or at 130Km/h. I
>typically
>maintain my speed or even slow down to give them the message, but they
>never
>get the message. I really don't know how to handle it anymore (in fact I
>thought
>I should make an electronic scrolling display on the back of the car
>that says:
>slow down or we're both in danger....). And if I slow down too much,
>given his
>IQ and judgement (and car!) , he probabely won't even be able to stop in
>time!
>
>Also, I generally leave a fair distance between me and the car in front
>of me,
>and always another advantage-taker just HAS to squeeze in front of me!
>This one also disgusts me.
>
>Any of you had similar experiences? And how did you handle it?
>
>Thanks
>Sourena
>
km/h!
But if you're not in the 220+ mood you should certainly make everything to
let him pass you.That has prooved
to be the right thing to do several times!
FKemper
schreibt:
>Seen how decent people drive......and NO accidents......
>In the country where there's no speed limit.
Well, actually we have several thousand victims of traffic accidents over here
ebery year. Our body count is lower than in other euro countries (if you
compare by the number of driven miles) though...
Frank
Message written by Frank Kemper in Munich/Bavaria
Die Welt ist ein Wolf!
FKemper
<sou...@netcom.ca> schreibt:
>Any of you had similar experiences? And how did you handle it?
I usually handle the situation in three steps:
1. step: I set my left turn indicator light (right word for that) briefly,
showing him: "Yes, I have noticed you in the rear mirror. Yes, I am still
overtaking somebody else. No, I will not go to the right lane in the next three
seconds."
This works with about 65% of all cases.
2. step: I floor the accelerator, if it is possible and reasonable. This makes
the gearbox shift into 3rd gear even at 110 mph and usually surprises the guy
behind me.
This works with almost everybody.
3. step: I get on the right lane as soon as possible, knowing that 90% of
mankind consists out of brainless idiots.
PS: flashing the brake lights briefly never worked, when I tried it, so I do
not do that anymore.
Matt O'Toole
John L. Harleman <harl...@home.com> wrote in message
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> hitting the brakes is assinine and asking
> to be hit (and creates road rage).
Hitting the brakes is road rage.
> who is one to decide how much faster over
> the speed limit people should be allowed. are we talking 5 mph, 10 mph, 20
> mph?
Some of these big babies' egos are damaged by anyone who passes them.
> if you want to stick to the law, only use the left lane for passing.
> i'm american, but lived in germany for 8 years. most americans (and
> canadians) are completely sucky drivers. $10 and multiple choice...
The law in CA says that anyone with more than four cars behind is obliged to
pull over to let them pass. And yes, I have seen this enforced, on hwy 330
going up to the local ski areas. I'm sure the CHP is aware that these roads
are jammed with obnoxious, testosterone-addled skiers in macho vehicles, all
toying with each other in a sick game of "king of the mountain." If the CHP
doesn't keep a lid on it, accidents, brawls, and shootings are the result.
I've seen countless shouting matches and even several fistfights in ski area
parking lots, which obviously stemmed from road incidents on the way up the
mountain.
> i'm too
> scared to ride my bike here.
That's why I'm primarily a mountain biker now.
Matt O.
Allan Leedy
Who said anything about the left lane?
It can happen in any lane. It can happen in the left lane when you are
maintaining the speed of the flow of traffic in that lane and passing slower
traffic on the right. Jumping topics is not helpful. Jumping topics with a
juvenile post about keeping right is a major bump in the road for the
dialogue. Shape up.
Mirage <mir...@mirage.co.za> wrote in message
Sourena Arjangpour
[From the original Author:
(I see I've started a little flame thing over here from this morning...)
]
PRECISELY!
Who was talking about any specific lanes anyways! I am not talking right
or left lanes here. Just any lanes, YOU CAN NOT humiliate and disgust
someone by coming behind their ass. Personally if I were in a hurry, I see
it as MY PROBLEM and not the guy in front of me. I intelligently find
routes around people and get away from all the cars in a matter of a few
seconds,
if I were truley in a rush with an important matter/person awaiting me!
Then the cars from behind would just see a fast streak disappearing ahead
and that's all! It's typically the idiots in Honda Civic hatch-backs or chev
Cavelior or the freaking Ford whatever...just any cheap shit, under $50K car
that are tailgaiting anyways...YUK, they are cheap and that explains their
driving habbits as well as their pathetic lives and cars...
To the asshole who's going on about GERMANS...:
Also the asshole who's going ON ABOUT GERMANY and what-not...
What the fuck do you think? And what are you saying? That Germans are
better drivers and poeple...etc?? Well, it truely means that YOU, personally
are SO WORTHLESS to see other people ABOVE yourself, and yes they
indeed are BETTER THAN YOU! And it STOPS there buddy boy.
When you reach a certain stage in your life that you STOP SUCKING UP
to people just because they are BORN somewhere, then start posting here...
Sourena.
kmic
"spud" <sp...@spudnet.com> wrote in message
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> You've lost the plot, like the rest, the original post said nothing about
> being in the right or wrong lane.
> Just Tailgating in general.
> The higher death rate in the US is largely due to the ease, ( and age,) at
> which it is possible to get a driving license. I passed my test in WG, and
I
> don't go for the silly argument being put forward by the previous poster,
> regarding NO speed limits, and a lower death rate, its rubbish.
> I've seen the results of high speed crashes in Germany, and they bear no
> comparison to what you'll see in countries WITH speed limits, and possibly
> far worse roads, which account for many more accidents.
>
>
> John L. Harleman <harl...@home.com> wrote in message
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> > > Yes, ever seen what happens to 2 cars in head on collision, contact
> speed
> > > getting on for 200mph. You don't walk away.
> > > Visit some scrapyards in Germany and see what the end result of no
speed
> > > limit, and arrogant egotism gets you. A new postal address in the
local
> > > cemetary.
> > > You're the dummy pal. Grow up.
> > >
> > the difference in accidents above 40 mph in minimal. the per mile driven
> > fatality rate in germany is lower than the us and a lot of other
> countries.
> > no one says you have to speed. just drive in the right lane like you're
> > suppose to.
> >
> >
>
>
spud
> Maybe, I just wanted to be 100 % sure....
>
> Germany ??
> In the country where there's no speed limit.
>
John L. Harleman
> getting on for 200mph. You don't walk away.
> Visit some scrapyards in Germany and see what the end result of no speed
> limit, and arrogant egotism gets you. A new postal address in the local
> cemetary.
> You're the dummy pal. Grow up.
>
spud
being in the right or wrong lane.
Just Tailgating in general.
The higher death rate in the US is largely due to the ease, ( and age,) at
which it is possible to get a driving license. I passed my test in WG, and I
don't go for the silly argument being put forward by the previous poster,
regarding NO speed limits, and a lower death rate, its rubbish.
I've seen the results of high speed crashes in Germany, and they bear no
comparison to what you'll see in countries WITH speed limits, and possibly
far worse roads, which account for many more accidents.
John L. Harleman <harl...@home.com> wrote in message
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John L. Harleman
> or left lanes here. Just any lanes,
did you see the post that explains that the law is that if 4 cars are
following a vehicle it must pull over? if you also follow the guidance of
the department of motor vehicles and instructors, you know that you should
pull over if somebody is tailgaiting. due to the poor driving habits of many
people, drivers are often faced with the choice of passing on the left,
sitting back and letting somebody else dictate their speed, or tailgaiting
to show their desire to pass. i'm not advocating it, just bemoaning the
crappy choice brought on by jerks who hold up traffic.
> What the fuck do you think? And what are you saying? That Germans are
> better drivers and poeple...etc?? Well, it truely means that YOU,
personally
people no, drivers yes, on average. a license costs over $1,000 and includes
a thorough (non-multiple choice test) and over an hour of road testing. the
failure rate is quite high. same is true for a lot of europe.
learn to drive...
John L. Harleman
being passed. the reality is that somebody who is tailgating generally does
so because he wants to pass. if the driver ahead would get over to the next
lane or pull over ahead of time, it wouldn't be necessary to tailgate. one
can try and use the blinker or a brief flash ahead of time, but it usually
is pointless...
"Sourena Arjangpour" <sou...@netcom.ca> wrote in message
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>
> Hi,
>
> Another quick question: I've observed many many times, almost everyday,
> either on a normal street or highway, some prick from behind, they just
> get
> too damn close to me. This could happen at 40Km/h or at 130Km/h. I
> typically
> maintain my speed or even slow down to give them the message, but they
> never
> get the message. I really don't know how to handle it anymore (in fact I
> thought
> I should make an electronic scrolling display on the back of the car
> that says:
> slow down or we're both in danger....). And if I slow down too much,
> given his
> IQ and judgement (and car!) , he probabely won't even be able to stop in
> time!
>
> Also, I generally leave a fair distance between me and the car in front
> of me,
> and always another advantage-taker just HAS to squeeze in front of me!
> This one also disgusts me.
>
> Any of you had similar experiences? And how did you handle it?
>
> Thanks
> Sourena
>
>
Dotbuster
lousy damn Indians/Pakis, go back to whatever filthy stinking shithole you
crawled out of
In article <3849EB5A...@netcom.ca>, Sourena Arjangpour
<sou...@netcom.ca> wrote:
>
>[From the original Author:
>(I see I've started a little flame thing over here from this morning...)
>]
>
>
>PRECISELY!
>
>Who was talking about any specific lanes anyways! I am not talking right
>or left lanes here. Just any lanes, YOU CAN NOT humiliate and disgust
>someone by coming behind their ass. Personally if I were in a hurry, I see
>it as MY PROBLEM and not the guy in front of me. I intelligently find
>routes around people and get away from all the cars in a matter of a few
>seconds,
>if I were truley in a rush with an important matter/person awaiting me!
>Then the cars from behind would just see a fast streak disappearing ahead
>and that's all! It's typically the idiots in Honda Civic hatch-backs or chev
>Cavelior or the freaking Ford whatever...just any cheap shit, under $50K car
>that are tailgaiting anyways...YUK, they are cheap and that explains their
>driving habbits as well as their pathetic lives and cars...
>
>To the asshole who's going on about GERMANS...:
>
>Also the asshole who's going ON ABOUT GERMANY and what-not...
>What the fuck do you think? And what are you saying? That Germans are
>better drivers and poeple...etc?? Well, it truely means that YOU, personally
spud
kmic <j...@oatbag.com> wrote in message
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> somebody ought to write a book about this post. oh the emotions it stirs
up.
>
Vladimir Vooss
control. I find this a terriblly American road characteristic. How fast
someone else goes is none of your OR my businesss. It is one's ownbusiness
what the ramifications of driving fast are. That's why the subject line is:
How are you guys handling assholes behind you tailgating? I was running down
the road the other day, two lane, and two cars are ahead of me, both in the
right lane-I'm in the left. The back car of the two ahead of me passes the car
in front of them to the left. Classic and correct pass. The road swoops to the
right as the passed car swerves from the right into the left lane - RIGHT in
front of me as I was intending to pass this guy, also. Some kind of funny
feeling, you know? Closure is fast, so I flick my Bim to the right and pass
him to the right, similar to Mirage's original story to which you objected for
some reason. As I pass this guy, he is both negotiating a long swooping right
and gesticulating with his right hand the numbers - 4, then 5. He's trying to
tell me the speed limit is 45 MPH. WRONG! It's 50. I passed him at near 65.
that's because I wanted to squirt past this lunatic who would pull a
life-endangering maneuver in his personal interest to control my speed. My
technique with assholes on the road is to perform whatever maneuver to place
them away from me. This means doing something strangely race-ish - meaning the
action must be certain so that you have the advantage. One of my favorites
with tailgaters is to maneuver to another lane and (safely, of course) stomp
on the brake. The idiot squirts past you, looking surprised. I haven't yet met
such an idiot who will slow down again and try to tailgate me. One time,
however, an asshole in a TransAm did such a thing and then proceeded to
squeeze me against the non-shoulder up-rising hillside. Why I don't know. He
kept me behind him until we came to a split in the highway and I had to wait
until the absolute last minute to flick to the other fork than him. Giving
him feints this way and that also helped. But it boggles me when someone does
such things - on a public road.
Sorry this was all so long.
Vladimir
Paul Howland wrote:
> Alex,
>
> So basic communication proves a problem for you too?
>
> Perhaps you should try having your testosterone level surgically reduced
> before you kill either yourself or someone else.
>
> Mirage <mir...@mirage.co.za> wrote in message
> news:384981dc$0$2...@hades.is.co.za...
> > Are you talking to me ?
> >
> > Alex
> >
> > Paul Howland <peho...@iee.org> wrote in message
> > news:384980b1$0$3...@reader1.casema.net...
> > > Does your insurance company know you drive like this?
> > >
> > > Idiot.
> > >
> > >
> > > Mirage <mir...@mirage.co.za> wrote in message
Sourena Arjangpour
You don't fucking get it, do you? The person in front is already going speed
limit or
higher. If an asshole like you wants to pass me, it is your problem to deal with
it,
since I ain't going to break the limit to get a ticket for a piece of shit like
you. You
can go on the sidewalk for all I care, but I won't go beyond the limit, if I
don't FEEL
LIEK IT! Not only that, by coming up behind my ass, you are simply BEGGING
me to speed up, and I will just do the OPOSITE, i.e. slow down, you mo-fo!
Sourena Arjangpour
...Yeah, I agree they should. Nice try Though!
Meanwhile, you know what you could do besides hiding behind DOTBUSTER?
You could post on alt.I.make.myself.cum and to take breaks, you could
go and jerk off in front of a mirror on yourself all day.
Heheee...
Paul Howland
> about my insurance company !! ???
> What are they going to think about me, my family, my car, or you
> makes no difference whatsoever.
> I can imagine how you feel then......thinking about insurance,
> wife, kids, school fees.....
> Shame.......never mind that you called me an idiot......I feel for you
buddy
I guess we'll just have to let Darwinian natural selection take it's pick
eh?
> However.....(sorry I can't draw for you here).....let me finish :
>
> Safety........
> You think that it's safe for you to brake in front of faster car ??
No, I never claimed that. I was suggesting that it's idiotic to tailgate at
140km/h and above. It's equally stupid to try to brake when someone's doing
that to you.
> Do you think that Volvo '64 model with a WWII veteran behind the
> wheel, doing 90 km/h in fast lane is safer than me doing 140km/h
> in '99 BMW ????
Yes - see any physics textbook. Doesn't mean he shouldn't move over as far
to the right as possible though.
>
> Ever been to Europe ??
Yes - I'm British and live in Holland. Next question?
> Germany ??
Yes - about once a month.
> Seen how decent people drive......and NO accidents......
NO accidents?!
> In the country where there's no speed limit.
I've also seen the results of this on the roadside...
Mirage
FKemper <fke...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> 1. step: I set my left turn indicator light (right word for that) briefly,
> showing him: "Yes, I have noticed you in the rear mirror. Yes, I am still
> overtaking somebody else. No, I will not go to the right lane in the next
three
> seconds."
Frank, that is exactly what I do.....give him a sign that I noticed him,
I slightly accelerate, and pull to the left......left cause I live in SA
at the moment.
Alex
>
> This works with about 65% of all cases.
>
> 2. step: I floor the accelerator, if it is possible and reasonable. This
makes
> the gearbox shift into 3rd gear even at 110 mph and usually surprises the
guy
> behind me.
>
> This works with almost everybody.
>
> 3. step: I get on the right lane as soon as possible, knowing that 90% of
> mankind consists out of brainless idiots.
>
> PS: flashing the brake lights briefly never worked, when I tried it, so I
do
> not do that anymore.
You see, I try to make my drive as smooth as possible, hence, I would never
do that ( hit the brakes).
That is also why I would not kick down into third too, just slightly
accelerate.
Regards
Mirage
Amazing how , irespectably where we come from, which side of
the road we drive or what our driving style is, some of us think alike.
Jordbill, Frank, John L. Harleman, Vladim Voos, Matt O'Toole,
kmic, Roundel540i, Mario.....
Guys, I agree with you. I am sure that we could
chat forever about this and with the time just find more similarities
between us.
Changing lane if someone is driving faster behind me is a normal thing.
Tailgating is NOT something that I do for fun. As stated before, I find
overtaking
in the other lane faster and safer. And still see fingers.
But why ????
I was not allowed to overtake in my lane, that's why !
If you follow, you see them, of you do it from the other lane same thing.
It is so sad.....
Question is why all this ?
I am not sure......
Is it a lack of culture, ego, or small penis ???
Could be.......
I was called idiot, and original poster has a problem with his skin color,
origin or both ( I
am not German by the way), and his language is highly primitive.
However, do I feel bad about all this ??
Off course not.
I drive Bm, I know who I am, where I am going (driving), I got a decent
sizes penis :)
And I am sure that the guys mentioned above feel the same.
We don't have a problem with being overtaken.
Or tailgated, as we move, change lane.
As for the opposite team, you do hey ?
If not, why are you posting here ? :)))
Alex
'95 530i, '99 528i
Stan Marsh
>
> You don't fucking get it, do you? The person in front is already going
speed
> limit or
> higher. If an asshole like you wants to pass me, it is your problem to
deal with
> it,
> since I ain't going to break the limit to get a ticket for a piece of shit
like
> you. You
> can go on the sidewalk for all I care, but I won't go beyond the limit, if
I
> don't FEEL
> LIEK IT! Not only that, by coming up behind my ass, you are simply BEGGING
> me to speed up, and I will just do the OPOSITE, i.e. slow down, you
mo-fo!
>
I agree with you (but without the language hehe) I hate having to speed up
so some idiot can get where hes going about a minute quicker. I was in a
60k zone and a ford laser was right up my butt. I looked down and i was
doing 70, which shits me cause I dont wanna get a ticket -I love my licence.
Anyway, I slowed down - tapped the brakes so my lights flash - but they
still were clinging on. Anyway, we came to some road works on a corner, I
dropped it into 2nd and got the car slightly (not very far out) sideways and
sped off - up to the speed limit. The car stayed well behind me after that.
Anyway - I hate tailgaters =O
Pete
Renee KC
hour than above. Drivers in the US, especially in the northeast corrider and
around larger cities don't move out of the left lane if they see a car coming
up behind. Then there are other idiots who tailgate to pass. I try the
European system of flashing my lights at a safe distance, and more often than
not the driver in front ignores my request.
They don't care if you want to pass. They feel they the right to remain in the
left lane. ( I've driven through all US states on several tours, as well as
through Europe for many years) Driving in Europe is much better than
here---though the speeds may be disconcerting to many US drivers, I find the
roads far safer, because you don't have drivers just dwadling along in all
lanes at whatever speed they want to go. This penchant for holding up drivers
behind just to prove they "deserve" to be there just as much as you do is a
particularly US problem. This, and tailgating out of frustration results in
far more scary driving experiences than I ever experiences in most of Europe.
I do think we are far too lax on giving drivers liscences in the US. I feel
MUCH safer driving in Europe at faster speeds than in the US with a
disorganized system and drivers on the road. I truly wish our police would
ferret out the tailgaters and the left lane huggers. We would all be far
safer.
Renee
FKemper
schreibt:
>You don't fucking get it, do you? The person in front is already going speed
>limit or
>higher. If an asshole like you wants to pass me, it is your problem to deal
>with
>it,
>since I ain't going to break the limit to get a ticket for a piece of shit
>like
>you.
Hey Sourena,
if you want to talk to serious people, why don't you use serious language? And
if somebody behind you wants toovertake you, why don't you give way (if it is
possible in the moment)?
What is your problem?
FKemper
schreibt:
>But it boggles me when someone does
>such things - on a public road.
You can encounter strange things eveywhere: Some months ago I was driving with
a BMW 520i rentacar (6 cyl, 150 HP, the basic model) in the far southwest of
germany and I was bored of driving and wanted to be home soon. There was just a
little traffic and I was doing approx. 120 mph. Then I saw an Audi A4
overtaking two other cars with about 80 mph. The Audi looked brand new and
slightly modified (wide tires, lowered suspension, different exhaust tube). So
I took my foot away from the acelerator just to give him the time to finish the
overtake and give me way. But he stayed in left lane. So I tailgated him -
nothing. Set my left cornering light - nothing. Flashed him - nothing. After a
few moments he changed to the right lane and acelerated himself - up to 150
mph! He simply outran me. I thought: okay, it is not my business, and the only
thing I want is to commute home as smoothly as possible. A few miles a way I
met him again: overtaking with 80 mph, blocking me, then outrunning me. We did
the mad game three or four times, until I took the chance, shifted back into
4th gear, redlined the engine, managed to overtake him and got away with full
throttle.
So please tell me: What makes people do such things. If I want to show that my
car is really fast, do I have to choose a lame BMW 520 to proove that?
Life could be much easier on the road if insane and childish people were not
aloowed to sit on the front seats.
Matt O'Toole
Renee KC <ren...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:19991205090333...@ng-fx1.aol.com...
> I have read that more fatal accidents take place at speeds under 45 miles
per
> hour than above.
This is true. The reason is that most fatal accidents take place at
intersections where people run red lights, etc. Everyone seems to agree
that CA freeways are absolute mayhem, with all kinds of plain old stupidity,
as well as naked aggression, happening all around you, all the time. In
spite of that, CA still has the safest roads in the US, statistically
speaking.
> Drivers in the US, especially in the northeast corrider and
> around larger cities don't move out of the left lane if they see a car
coming
> up behind. Then there are other idiots who tailgate to pass.
> I try the
> European system of flashing my lights at a safe distance, and more often
than
> not the driver in front ignores my request.
> They don't care if you want to pass. They feel they the right to remain
in the
> left lane. ( I've driven through all US states on several tours, as well
as
> through Europe for many years)
The idea behind flashing lights is to get the attention of the driver ahead,
so he can glance in the mirror and see what you're about to do. But here,
people don't understand that at all. Flashing lights is seen as a gesture
of aggression. It's what people do when they're angry. It's a cultural
difference, such as scratching your nose can be taken as an insult in some
countries. Also, as you've seen in the US, every man is king of the
highway, and doesn't yield to anyone. To let someone pass is to admit
defeat or something.
> Driving in Europe is much better than
> here---though the speeds may be disconcerting to many US drivers, I find
the
> roads far safer, because you don't have drivers just dwadling along in all
> lanes at whatever speed they want to go. This penchant for holding up
drivers
> behind just to prove they "deserve" to be there just as much as you do is
a
> particularly US problem. This, and tailgating out of frustration results
in
> far more scary driving experiences than I ever experiences in most of
Europe.
I agree. I was amazed at how great it was driving in England. There's a
sprit of cooperation rather than competition. People move smartly and
efficiently, which makes it easy and safe to move very, very quickly. You
can really make time, without stress or worry.
> I do think we are far too lax on giving drivers liscences in the US. I
feel
> MUCH safer driving in Europe at faster speeds than in the US with a
> disorganized system and drivers on the road. I truly wish our police
would
> ferret out the tailgaters and the left lane huggers. We would all be far
> safer.
Driver education is great, but people will always drive like idiots, even
when they know better. Good idiot management is the key.
They can start with managing some of the idiots driving trucks on I-81 in
southwestern VA.
Matt O.
Blair Zajac
<ren...@aol.com> wrote:
> I have read that more fatal accidents take place at speeds under 45 miles per
> hour than above. Drivers in the US, especially in the northeast corrider and
> around larger cities don't move out of the left lane if they see a car coming
> up behind. Then there are other idiots who tailgate to pass. I try the
> European system of flashing my lights at a safe distance, and more often than
> not the driver in front ignores my request.
> They don't care if you want to pass. They feel they the right to remain in
> the
> left lane. ( I've driven through all US states on several tours, as well as
> through Europe for many years) Driving in Europe is much better than
> here---though the speeds may be disconcerting to many US drivers, I find the
> roads far safer, because you don't have drivers just dwadling along in all
> lanes at whatever speed they want to go. This penchant for holding up drivers
> behind just to prove they "deserve" to be there just as much as you do is a
> particularly US problem. This, and tailgating out of frustration results in
> far more scary driving experiences than I ever experiences in most of Europe.
> I do think we are far too lax on giving drivers liscences in the US. I feel
> MUCH safer driving in Europe at faster speeds than in the US with a
> disorganized system and drivers on the road. I truly wish our police would
> ferret out the tailgaters and the left lane huggers. We would all be far
> safer.
>
> Renee
There is at least one state that requires you to get out of the passing
lane if you are not passing anyone -- Oregon. I didn't get the ticket,
but what happened was that a highway patrol came behind a person in the
fast lane. The cop waited a minute or so for the person to pull over,
which he did not -- the guy was going, say, 5 MPH over the limit. Next
thing was the flashing lights and over went the guy to the side of the
road.
I was watching the whole thing back around 50 yards.
Bryan
slower person. If you can safely move to the right, do so. I ride a
motorcycle half the time so I can just cut by them, but when I am
driving it is sort of a pain in the ass. If you have every ridden a
bike and cut lanes you will have noticed the weird phenomena of all of
a sudden traffic being gone. What caused it? Semi trucks and slow
drivers.
On 05 Dec 1999 21:55:32 GMT, fke...@aol.com (FKemper) wrote:
>Im Artikel <384A2A13...@netcom.ca>, Sourena Arjangpour <sou...@netcom.ca>
>schreibt:
>
>>You don't fucking get it, do you? The person in front is already going speed
>>limit or
>>higher. If an asshole like you wants to pass me, it is your problem to deal
>>with
>>it,
>>since I ain't going to break the limit to get a ticket for a piece of shit
>>like
>>you.
>
>Hey Sourena,
>
>if you want to talk to serious people, why don't you use serious language? And
>if somebody behind you wants toovertake you, why don't you give way (if it is
>possible in the moment)?
>
>What is your problem?
>
Renee KC
>of aggression. It's what people do when they're angry. It's a cultural
>difference, s
It wouldn't be so difficult to launch a public awareness campaign about the
rules of the road. Left lane for passing, use your blinker, flash lights to
warn those ahead of you. >To let someone pass is to admit
>defeat or something.
>
YES! Crazy. Sometimes it would help us to look outside of our own country and
see what things work WELL other places. In the meantime, it's probably just you
and I and Franz on our soap boxes----sorry to continue this, especially under
the subject heading....
Renee
Vladimir Vooss
Inevitably we talk about driving very accomplished cars. Unfortunatley some people
like to screw other people with their car and their driving habits. I've had young
women, mostly in SUVs do some stunts that were breathtaking in their carelessness.
I've seen guys do things which are nearly criminal in the dangerous repercussions
that their moves could have. Some people just like to hurt people, it seems. While
many of us like to race, some of us realize we're on public roads and others
perhaps don't realize that the highways are not these "assholes'" racetracks - but
we think they are, and therefore tit is so! I've always though that "urban racing"
had some rules about it, but you can't talk rules with people who like to make up
the rules as they go along. Don't you remember when we were children, when we
played, there were always those who wanted to make and remake and remake the rules
of the play games? Remember? Maybe when these people get inside a capable BMW or
Audi, Porsche or Celica, NOW they can show everyone else what kind of rules we all
should play under!!!
Vladimir
FKemper wrote:
Russell Fairchild
only traffic was that light). most of the time the person behind you is
not even thinking about you but where they have to be RIGHT NOW. i used
to tap on my brakes to wake them up to how close they were, but i gave
up on trying to teach others to drive. there are just too many to teach
and i wasn't making a profit at it. you just learn to grin and bear it.
Russell Fairchild
license and if it's taken away it's near impossible to get back. could
this be a one cause for the difference?
maybe this is a way for the us state governments to raise money and get
bad drivers off the road.
Russell Fairchild
folks will tailgate you no matter what the traffic's like. but i agree,
stay out of the left lane if you aren't going at least the average
traffic speed and don't take it on yourself to teach others how to drive
while on the road.
Bryan
you then you might as well just sit back and enjoy the ride. But when
there is only one person in front of you and the freeway is all clear
ahead, it can be very irritating.
SCDesign
It happens in the UK. And yes it is bloody annoying being hugely irresponsible
and thoughtless on the part of the gater.
Quite where I stand sometimes can be questioned because it brings about an
emotional response ie: heartfelt gesticulations and subsequent `I'll make it
ten times worse then!' mode in town but out of town I will dissappear most of
the time (given acceptable conditions) over the horizon. I can even recollect
a police car at night darting out and gating me so close I could not see thier
front wheels or lights on roof, THAT was worrying if you know what I mean. And
the officers were verbally bollocked by myself because they stopped me and
tried to question why I accelerated !!?!! Duly they went away.
So in short I find the best mockery of oneself is to do that in my book. Oh
did I say that I have raced BMW saloons in a Championship the on the track so
thats where I do any gating... Not on the road. And I can recite (and
appreciate) virtually avery word in the official UK Police driving manual (the
Blue book).
It should never happen.
mario wrote:
> Sourena Arjangpour wrote in message <38498115...@netcom.ca>...
> >
> >Hi,
> >
> >Another quick question: I've observed many many times, almost everyday,
> >either on a normal street or highway, some prick from behind, they just
> >get
> >too damn close to me. This could happen at 40Km/h or at 130Km/h. I
> >typically
> >maintain my speed or even slow down to give them the message, but they
> >never
> >get the message. I really don't know how to handle it anymore (in fact I
> >thought
> >I should make an electronic scrolling display on the back of the car
> >that says:
> >slow down or we're both in danger....). And if I slow down too much,
> >given his
> >IQ and judgement (and car!) , he probabely won't even be able to stop in
> >time!
> >
> >Also, I generally leave a fair distance between me and the car in front
> >of me,
> >and always another advantage-taker just HAS to squeeze in front of me!
> >This one also disgusts me.
> >
> >Any of you had similar experiences? And how did you handle it?
> >
> >Thanks
> >Sourena
> >
> As a BMW driver I can only say that there is not much tailgaiting at 220
> km/h!
> But if you're not in the 220+ mood you should certainly make everything to
> let him pass you.That has prooved
> to be the right thing to do several times!
d_...@my-deja.com
Bryan <bry...@flashcom.net> wrote:
> "Slower traffic keep right". If someone is on your ass you are the
> slower person.
It isn't always this simple. On the highways I most frequently drive in
Central and Eastern Massachusetts, the left lane is most definitely a
travel lane during rush hour simply due to the volume of traffic.
To consider it a passing-only lane is pure fantasy. Lots of these
roads are two-lane (divided) highways, and the right lane is usually
choked up with semis and dump trucks pulling on and off the highway
from the many, closely-spaced exits. This leaves only the left lane
clear for thru-traffic. Yet this doesn't deter flaming butt-monkeys
from riding my ass, thinking they're entitled to their own personal
passing lane. Anyone who has driven Route 2 knows what I'm talking
about.
If I'm traveling in the left lane, going with the flow of traffic at
65+, with a safe 2-second gap between me and the car in front of me
(remember, the left lane is FULL), why the hell should I have to slow
down to 30 and get behind a cement mixer just because some bunghole is
in a rush? Some of these guys appear to think they are Moses parting
the Red Sea.
When I was younger, dumber, and the driver of an old POS, I would
brake-test people all the time if they were in a smaller vehicle. I
don't do that now, getting my '99 328i rear-ended is not worth proving a
point. Now I'll just hold my speed and course and keep a sharp eye on
the rear-view mirror. If the right lane isn't clear, I'll widen the gap
some between me and the car in front to give a little more saftey
margin. If the right lane is clear and moving at a reasonable speed,
I'll pull over and let the hemorrhoid go by. Or if the road suddenly
opens up, a downshift to third and a visit to the redline quickly makes
him a small speck in my rear view mirror. It's kinda fun watching the
tailgating redneck in a pickup truck with a half dozen ladders strapped
to a bed rack trying to keep up.
-D
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Before you buy.
Richard T
license and if it's taken away it's near impossible to get back. could
this be a one cause for the difference?
Having lived all over Europe, I'd say that the overall driving standard is
higher than in the US, but it is not related to to the difficulty of getting
a licence.
IMO the driving standard falls as you go further south in Europe. The best
drivers are generally in the UK and Scandinavia, followed by Germany/France,
then the Spanish and Italians lag behind. This observation is also born out
by statistics - the deaths/km rate is lowest in the UK and highest in Spain
and Portugal.
Oddly, Spain and Portugal are two of the hardest countries to get a licence.
You have to pass theory exams on mechanics which are quite daunting for the
mechanically inept. But the actual practical driving exam is fairly easy. In
the UK it is the reverse. The EC is trying to change this, and make a
universal and tough practical driving test.
I used to live in the States too, and I'd agree with the observations in
this thread that the standard of driving in the USA is astonishingly bad.
Not quite as bad as in India, but really terrible for a developed country.
GMOY25
aside and let the 2 or more cars go through. Its just a friendly gesture, not
a macho thing. And while we are on the subject of road rules, use youe ashtray
if you are going to smoke. Throwing it out of your car not only causes a fire
hazard,but for convertibles, it is a nightmare for the canvas top.
christine
goal is to connect with their car. Bullseye is their windshield. makes
everyone in the car feel much better and my blood pressure goes down. Of
course if there is more than one lane I would first be considerate and take
the slower lane since I am in no hurry and they are.
christine
"Sourena Arjangpour" <sou...@netcom.ca> wrote in message
news:38498115...@netcom.ca...
Russell Fairchild
cars at commuter time, the left lane is not just for passing it's there
to handle the capacity. But you must stay up with the car in front of
you.
None Of Your Business wrote:
>
> I disagree wholeheartedly.
>
> Stay out of the left lane unless to pass. There is no 'appropiate' speed
> for the left lane. If everyone used it that way, we'd get FAR more use out
> of our congested highways and freeways.
Russell Fairchild
equipment on cars and insure that the wad doesn't come off. after 20
wads or so you have to go back to driving school where they will clean
your car off.
VeloShark1
>the time (given acceptable conditions) over the horizon. I can even recollect
>a police car at night darting out and gating me so close I could not see
>thier
>front wheels or lights on roof, THAT was worrying if you know what I mean.
>And
>the officers were verbally bollocked by myself because they stopped me and
>tried to question why I accelerated !!?!! Duly they went away.
In Lost Angeles where I'm from, that would have given the police reason to pull
you over and ticket you. But, you could be given your 15 mins. of fame by
having it televised.
I drive for a living as a sales person, if the police come zoooming up from
behind and are tailgating me, it means I need to pull to the right and let them
by or pull to the right and let them write me a ticket. This is regardless of
weather they have their lights on or not.
Just try not to get get shot if you ever make out to LA.
Robin F.
Matt O'Toole
Russell Fairchild <rkfai...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:384C5D53...@worldnet.att.net...
> is it true that folks in Europe pay dearly ($$$) for their drivers
> license and if it's taken away it's near impossible to get back. could
> this be a one cause for the difference?
>
> maybe this is a way for the us state governments to raise money and get
> bad drivers off the road.
It won't work. CA roads are full of drivers with suspended/revoked
licenses.
Matt O.
Matt O'Toole
VeloShark1 <velos...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:19991207105659...@ng-ff1.aol.com...
> >I will dissappear most of
> >the time (given acceptable conditions) over the horizon. I can even
recollect
> >a police car at night darting out and gating me so close I could not see
> >thier
> >front wheels or lights on roof, THAT was worrying if you know what I
mean.
> >And
> >the officers were verbally bollocked by myself because they stopped me
and
> >tried to question why I accelerated !!?!! Duly they went away.
Try giving them "backtalk" here!
> In Lost Angeles where I'm from, that would have given the police reason to
pull
> you over and ticket you. But, you could be given your 15 mins. of fame by
> having it televised.
> I drive for a living as a sales person, if the police come zoooming up
from
> behind and are tailgating me, it means I need to pull to the right and let
them
> by or pull to the right and let them write me a ticket. This is regardless
of
> weather they have their lights on or not.
They do this to see what you'll do. An aggressive or intoxicated driver
(one who needs to be pulled over and taught a lesson) will probably zoom
ahead, because his macho instincts will take over before he even realizes
it's a police officer behind him; while a cool-headed, sober, law abiding
driver will simply recognize the situation for what it is, and yield.
Whether this is entrapement is debateable, but it seems to be common
practice, and I bet it's effective.
> Just try not to get get shot if you ever make out to LA.
Freeway shootings are actually about three times more common here in
prosperous, "respectable," Republican Orange County than in "scary" LA.
Matt O.
Matt O'Toole
christine <calderon...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:82iqlq$7dv$1...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net...
> i make a spit wad out of some paper and then let it out of my window .
the
> goal is to connect with their car. Bullseye is their windshield. makes
> everyone in the car feel much better and my blood pressure goes down. Of
> course if there is more than one lane I would first be considerate and
take
> the slower lane since I am in no hurry and they are.
Here, a new trick I'm starting to see a lot is to casually toss a cup of
drink out the sunroof. The old trick was to use the windshield washer, and
then to flick a cigarette, but now people are getting more and more
aggressive, and it's escalated to thirsty-two ouncers.
Matt O.
Phil Baxter
squatting lane is on the right.
The police monitor the speed limit.
Why is this so hard to understand.
Aside. I get upset mainly at " left handed drivers" ( Yes Maryland, I'm
talking specifically to you !) because it forces one to pass to the right then
back to the left. Any unnecessary lane change at 60 or so mph's I'm quite sure
increases your odds of an accident.
Mite I politely say " GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE LEFT LANE BEFORE YOU KILL SOMEBODY"
Sincerely,
Phil
Vladimir Vooss wrote:
> Hey, lay off Paul. Your position reminds me of someone who is in too deep into
> control. I find this a terriblly American road characteristic. How fast
> someone else goes is none of your OR my businesss. It is one's ownbusiness
> what the ramifications of driving fast are. That's why the subject line is:
> How are you guys handling assholes behind you tailgating? I was running down
> the road the other day, two lane, and two cars are ahead of me, both in the
> right lane-I'm in the left. The back car of the two ahead of me passes the car
> in front of them to the left. Classic and correct pass. The road swoops to the
> right as the passed car swerves from the right into the left lane - RIGHT in
> front of me as I was intending to pass this guy, also. Some kind of funny
> feeling, you know? Closure is fast, so I flick my Bim to the right and pass
> him to the right, similar to Mirage's original story to which you objected for
> some reason. As I pass this guy, he is both negotiating a long swooping right
> and gesticulating with his right hand the numbers - 4, then 5. He's trying to
> tell me the speed limit is 45 MPH. WRONG! It's 50. I passed him at near 65.
> that's because I wanted to squirt past this lunatic who would pull a
> life-endangering maneuver in his personal interest to control my speed. My
> technique with assholes on the road is to perform whatever maneuver to place
> them away from me. This means doing something strangely race-ish - meaning the
> action must be certain so that you have the advantage. One of my favorites
> with tailgaters is to maneuver to another lane and (safely, of course) stomp
> on the brake. The idiot squirts past you, looking surprised. I haven't yet met
> such an idiot who will slow down again and try to tailgate me. One time,
> however, an asshole in a TransAm did such a thing and then proceeded to
> squeeze me against the non-shoulder up-rising hillside. Why I don't know. He
> kept me behind him until we came to a split in the highway and I had to wait
> until the absolute last minute to flick to the other fork than him. Giving
> him feints this way and that also helped. But it boggles me when someone does
> such things - on a public road.
>
> Sorry this was all so long.
>
> Vladimir
>
> Paul Howland wrote:
>
> > Alex,
> >
> > So basic communication proves a problem for you too?
> >
> > Perhaps you should try having your testosterone level surgically reduced
> > before you kill either yourself or someone else.
> >
> > Mirage <mir...@mirage.co.za> wrote in message
> > news:384981dc$0$2...@hades.is.co.za...
> > > Are you talking to me ?
> > >
> > > Alex
> > >
> > > Paul Howland <peho...@iee.org> wrote in message
> > > news:384980b1$0$3...@reader1.casema.net...
> > > > Does your insurance company know you drive like this?
> > > >
> > > > Idiot.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Mirage <mir...@mirage.co.za> wrote in message
> > > > news:384967a5$0$63...@helios.is.co.za...
> > > > > You're the man ........
> > > > >
> > > > > Fast lane is for speed.
> > > > > In Germany, if you drive 120km/h you will not drive in fast lane.
> > > > > It is that simple.
> > > > >
> > > > > It happens to me, many times.....you get an ancient car with driver
> > from
> > > > the
> > > > > last century, in fast lane.
> > > > > And what do you do ??
> > > > > First flash lights politelly few times......then get closer to get
> > some
> > > > > attention.
> > > > > And, that's when they tap on brakes. Just makes me even more upset.
> > > > > Then, I overtake from the other side....
> > > > >
> > > > > As for me being in fast lane I ALWAYS check my mirrors ans move over,
> > > > > ALWAYS.
> > > > >
> > > > > Alex
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Jordbill <jord...@aol.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:19991204134814...@ng-cn1.aol.com...
> > > > > > The left lane is for passing. If you're being tailgated, you're in
> > > the
> > > > > wrong
> > > > > > lane. It's not your place to set the speed limit for that lane.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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Bryan
they will pay for their mistake with their mirror...
Bryan
please do. I have been riding at 90 plus and have had cars come up
behind me, I get over.
Phil Baxter
Sourena Arjangpour wrote:
> You don't fucking get it, do you? The person in front is already going speed
> limit or
> higher. If an asshole like you wants to pass me, it is your problem to deal with
> it,
> since I ain't going to break the limit to get a ticket for a piece of shit like
> you. You
> can go on the sidewalk for all I care, but I won't go beyond the limit, if I
> don't FEEL
> LIEK IT! Not only that, by coming up behind my ass, you are simply BEGGING
> me to speed up, and I will just do the OPOSITE, i.e. slow down, you mo-fo!
>
> "John L. Harleman" wrote:
>
> > generally people such as this have inferiority complexes and in can't handle
> > being passed. the reality is that somebody who is tailgating generally does
> > so because he wants to pass. if the driver ahead would get over to the next
> > lane or pull over ahead of time, it wouldn't be necessary to tailgate. one
> > can try and use the blinker or a brief flash ahead of time, but it usually
> > is pointless...
--
Phil Baxter
Bryan wrote:
> I can agree with you on that one. If there are six people in front of
> you then you might as well just sit back and enjoy the ride. But when
> there is only one person in front of you and the freeway is all clear
> ahead, it can be very irritating.
>
> On Mon, 06 Dec 1999 20:29:22 -0500, Russell Fairchild
> <rkfai...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> >you aren't the slower person if there are six cars ahead of you. some
> >folks will tailgate you no matter what the traffic's like. but i agree,
> >stay out of the left lane if you aren't going at least the average
> >traffic speed and don't take it on yourself to teach others how to drive
> >while on the road.
> >
> >
> >Bryan wrote:
> >>
> >> "Slower traffic keep right". If someone is on your ass you are the
> >> slower person. If you can safely move to the right, do so. I ride a
> >> motorcycle half the time so I can just cut by them, but when I am
> >> driving it is sort of a pain in the ass. If you have every ridden a
> >> bike and cut lanes you will have noticed the weird phenomena of all of
> >> a sudden traffic being gone. What caused it? Semi trucks and slow
> >> drivers.
> >>
> >> On 05 Dec 1999 21:55:32 GMT, fke...@aol.com (FKemper) wrote:
> >>
> >> >Im Artikel <384A2A13...@netcom.ca>, Sourena Arjangpour <sou...@netcom.ca>
> >> >schreibt:
> >> >
> >> >>You don't fucking get it, do you? The person in front is already going speed
> >> >>limit or
> >> >>higher. If an asshole like you wants to pass me, it is your problem to deal
> >> >>with
> >> >>it,
> >> >>since I ain't going to break the limit to get a ticket for a piece of shit
> >> >>like
> >> >>you.
> >> >
> >> >Hey Sourena,
> >> >
> >> >if you want to talk to serious people, why don't you use serious language? And
> >> >if somebody behind you wants toovertake you, why don't you give way (if it is
> >> >possible in the moment)?
> >> >
> >> >What is your problem?
> >> >
> >> >Frank
> >> >Message written by Frank Kemper in Munich/Bavaria
> >> >
> >> >Die Welt ist ein Wolf!
--
Allan Leedy
- It takes more space and time to pass than to be passed, so the car in
front can more easily and safely move right into an available gap than the
following car can, always assuming that right-lane traffic is moving more
slowly than left lane traffic.
- The above assumption may not hold. Here in Oregon, the right lane is
looking more and more like the "fast lane".
- Cruise controls really make everything worse. Too many drivers are
overtaking traffic on cruise where the difference in speed is a fraction of
one mph and the time cars spend side-by-side approaches eternity. A little
fluctuation in speed would make a big difference.
- Truck drivers could contribute a great deal to solving this last problem.
Truck driver: if you're in the right lane, and you don't desperately need
the momentum, slow briefly so that the moron driving beside you in the left
lane can complete his pass.
- Lack of discipline on American roads is basically a result of poor
training and low or no competency requirement in the licensing process.
European and Japanese drivers by comparison, while far from polite, are much
more capable and predictable. They need to be. On freeways in European
countries, the speed differentials, and resulting closing rates of vehicles
travelling in the same direction, are startling.
- This thread started out with how to cure tailgaiting. Most of the posters
are tailgaters justifying themselves. My message to you aggressive types:
watch out! Cause an accident, and you'll get no sympathy from police,
victims, insurers, relatives, etc.
Phil Baxter <ph...@Distributive.com> wrote in message
news:384D72C5...@Distributive.com...
the car
Russell Fairchild
middle and right lane are nearly empty. i think the type A personality
split is all wrong. you are either left lane, middle lane, right lane
or tri-lanal. the u.s. is just full of left lane personalities.
Russell Fairchild
a small loss compared to yours.
Bryan
them let alone what is coming up beside them. In dead stop traffic I
can take your mirror and drive off at 5mph and you would be forced to
sit there and take it like a man as I split on down the road. But not
to worry, I won't take a Bimmer's mirror unless they do something VERY
VERY stupid. ;>)
Russell Fairchild
between two livery cabs who don't even know how to spell drivurs
liesense.
Vladimir Vooss
of everything. From phrases such as "I'll buy that" to "..it's my God given
right to...". I went through the whole driver school thing, and not once did I
get any instruction as to road etiquette. Checking subsequent driver school
practices confirms the lack of driver etiquette other than the extremely heavy
reliance on the concept: defensive driving. I suspect that this is the key
concept that triggers the American psyche's penchant for ownership. That's why
a pokey car will enter the highway and proceed to the fast lane and proceed to
accordion traffic to tighten behind it - because it owns that spot. Perhaps too
much is made of the individualism that's balooned to unreasonable proportions
in the US. Americans have no concept of tight-quarters living, and would
probably go crazy living in Europe. Probably why the Americans' ancestors no
longer live in Europe.
Vladimir
Paul Howland wrote:
> > When in traffic, driving, driving fast, I am not thinking
> > about my insurance company !! ???
> > What are they going to think about me, my family, my car, or you
> > makes no difference whatsoever.
> > I can imagine how you feel then......thinking about insurance,
> > wife, kids, school fees.....
> > Shame.......never mind that you called me an idiot......I feel for you
> buddy
>
> I guess we'll just have to let Darwinian natural selection take it's pick
> eh?
>
> > However.....(sorry I can't draw for you here).....let me finish :
> >
> > Safety........
> > You think that it's safe for you to brake in front of faster car ??
>
> No, I never claimed that. I was suggesting that it's idiotic to tailgate at
> 140km/h and above. It's equally stupid to try to brake when someone's doing
> that to you.
>
> > Do you think that Volvo '64 model with a WWII veteran behind the
> > wheel, doing 90 km/h in fast lane is safer than me doing 140km/h
> > in '99 BMW ????
>
> Yes - see any physics textbook. Doesn't mean he shouldn't move over as far
> to the right as possible though.
>
> >
> > Ever been to Europe ??
>
> Yes - I'm British and live in Holland. Next question?
>
> > Germany ??
>
> Yes - about once a month.
>
> > Seen how decent people drive......and NO accidents......
>
> NO accidents?!
>
> > In the country where there's no speed limit.
>
> I've also seen the results of this on the roadside...
ian cowie
Vladimir Vooss <vvo...@ucsd.edu> wrote in message
news:384DE718...@ucsd.edu...
> I feel that in the United States, there is the pervasive notion of
ownership -
> of everything. From phrases such as "I'll buy that" to "..it's my God
given
> right to...". I went through the whole driver school thing, and not once
did I
> get any instruction as to road etiquette. Checking subsequent driver
school
> practices confirms the lack of driver etiquette other than the extremely
heavy
> reliance on the concept: defensive driving. I suspect that this is the key
> concept that triggers the American psyche's penchant for ownership. That's
why
> a pokey car will enter the highway and proceed to the fast lane and
proceed to
> accordion traffic to tighten behind it - because it owns that spot.
Perhaps too
> much is made of the individualism that's balooned to unreasonable
proportions
> in the US. Americans have no concept of tight-quarters living, and would
> probably go crazy living in Europe. Probably why the Americans' ancestors
no
> longer live in Europe.
Correct but probably because they are dead. What did you mean to say?
np
Vladimir Vooss wrote:
> I feel that in the United States, there is the pervasive notion of ownership -
> of everything. From phrases such as "I'll buy that" to "..it's my God given
> right to...". I went through the whole driver school thing, and not once did I
> get any instruction as to road etiquette. Checking subsequent driver school
> practices confirms the lack of driver etiquette other than the extremely heavy
> reliance on the concept: defensive driving. I suspect that this is the key
> concept that triggers the American psyche's penchant for ownership. That's why
> a pokey car will enter the highway and proceed to the fast lane and proceed to
> accordion traffic to tighten behind it - because it owns that spot. Perhaps too
> much is made of the individualism that's balooned to unreasonable proportions
> in the US. Americans have no concept of tight-quarters living, and would
> probably go crazy living in Europe. Probably why the Americans' ancestors no
> longer live in Europe.
>
> Vladimir
EBay0013
>
>1. step: I set my left turn indicator light (right word for that) briefly,
>showing him: "Yes, I have noticed you in the rear mirror. Yes, I am still
>overtaking somebody else. No, I will not go to the right lane in the next
>three
>seconds."
>
>This works with about 65% of all cases.
Excellent idea. I'll try that.
>
>2. step: I floor the accelerator, if it is possible and reasonable. This
>makes
>the gearbox shift into 3rd gear even at 110 mph and usually surprises the guy
>behind me.
Yep. I sometimes do the same. I may drive a meer Saab 900 Turbo, but it's got
enough kick to leave most tailgaters in the dust at highway speeds.
>This works with almost everybody.
>
>3. step: I get on the right lane as soon as possible, knowing that 90% of
>mankind consists out of brainless idiots.
Absolutely! Even if I happen to be driving at 80 MPH, if someone wants to pass
me badly enough to tailgate, then let them pass. What I hate is the folks who
tailgate you when you are passing and trying to get around another car. If you
sit in the left lane at any speed then you deserve to be abused but drivers who
tailgate you when you're passing someone are just asking for trouble. A little
consideration goes a long way. Left to pass, right to travel... and get the
hell out of the way of idiot drivers as quickly as possible!
>PS: flashing the brake lights briefly never worked, when I tried it, so I do
>not do that anymore.
It just pisses the idiots off and it's dangerous so why bother? Even if the
accident is the other driver's fault for driving too close, you still end up
hurting your car and possibly yourself and your passengers too.
I like your strategy Frank.
Later,
Chris
Phil Baxter
It must be Clinton's fault.
BTW. Who is the President now?
Bryan Marriott
On Wed, 08 Dec 1999 05:03:31 GMT, Vladimir Vooss <vvo...@ucsd.edu>
wrote:
WhiteHorse
remaining half of my syrup-coated pastry to the persistent tailgater behind me
- prefect landing smack in the middle of his windshield. no i don't think i'll
make a habit of doing such a thing, but once was fun
albumen
The American Automobile Assoc. recommends that if someone is following
too closely that first of all make sure that you have enough stopping
distance between you and the vehicle in front. So, the first thing to
do is to create some space in front.
Now, I am not the fastest car on the road. I drive a 325is, and my
driving record is sparkling clean. I'm generally very considerate, and
even when traveling on the freeway in the left lane in moderate traffic
conditions I generally take the time to move over every so often in
order to allow others to get around me. If the other drivers are
aggressive, and need to go around, that's fine - I usually give them a
break and let them in just as I would anyone else. The exception being
trucks/SUV's that are aggressively driving in the left lane on the
freeway. I generally don't pull-over or otherwise facilitate their
passing because they block my vision when in front of me, and this is
not a safe condition when traveling at high rates of speed (Sorry about
that you truck/SUV drivers.
There does appear to be something of a "class-envy" problem here in
parts of the US. My car is registered in Oregon - where there is no
sales tax, and vehicle taxes are only $20 a year. So, in effect, anyone
in Oregon can afford to buy and drive any vehicle of their choosing,
including luxuary cars, and the Oregon government doesn't tax
automobiles regressively as they do elsewhere.
So, driving a BMW in Oregon is no big deal, but it is when I cross the
border to other states such as Washington and California with high
sales taxes and excessive vehicle taxes that the 'class-envy' thing
becomes a problem. Case in point, I was driving in Seattle around some
tricky intersections en-route to a freeway on-ramp located in the
center of the city. I assumed that the van driving closely behind me
was just as much in a rush as I was, but when we came to a stop at a
light just before entering the freeway the van pulled up right on my
bumper and then turned on his high beams (as if to intimidate) Mind you
now I was travelling in with an entire group of cars, and had not done
anything unexpected or out of the ordinary.
In the way I drive, I am generally not so concerned with what is behind
me, but what is ahead. So, if in these cases if another driver is being
obnoxious and tailgating and I cannot maneuver to a lane on the right,
then I simply ignore them and reduce/deflect my rear view mirror so I
don't have to look at them. If at night and the a truck or SUV is
tailgating and their lights are impinging on my interior, then I will
simply begin to speed up and slow down about once a minute. The
tailgating driver then will have to match my movements rather exactly
in order to stay in position on my tail. This maneuver is usually
enough to give even the most die-hard left-lane hogging Class-A
personality drivers heartburn (not that they don't already have
bleeding ulcers from bad driving habits), and they will generally find
something else to do for their entertainment (I strongly suggest
slowing down and listening to classical music).
So, there you have it. Courtesy and safety come first. Bad-mannered
drivers must be tolerated to an extent, but I have just as much a right
to get to where I am going as anyone - so I do what I can, under the
law, to insure that my driving experience is not spoiled by immature
drivers. -al
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when you decelerate... it is particularly good when you turn off the
ignition with a hot engine and all the fuel mix ignites in the (hot)
exhaust. 4 foot of flames tend to get the volvo driver behind me off my
tail.
Oh yeah, the exhaust is 3" diameter... it's a BIG flame.
Usuually we come to a hill and the volvo operator (like a driver but less
involved) will pull out on the passing lane and go just fast enough that
only he gets past. He also hates it when I pass him on the next corner
(where I can see of course). Hehehe.
BTW that is a true story -(to paraphrase Jasper Carrot) I've never seen
anyone try to open a sunroof with his head before!
DON'T EVER try this in a BMW (or any other injected, catalysed or
power-brakes or sterring car - mine has none of that crap on it!)
--
Allan :-)
http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/downs/9040/
"Use the forks, Luke"
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EBay0013 <ebay...@aol.com> wrote in message
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fidge
What a moron. I agree that tailgating is a problem in
itself, but you are just killing your argument here. Talk
about an elitist, people with under $50K pieces of crap are
the only ones who tailgate you? Having a more expensive car
doesn't give you the right to own the road.
You asked a reasonable question, you're getting some decent
answers, just stop talking. Better to stay silent and be
thought a fool than to open your mouth and confirm it.
Tchaka
don't drive slow enough to be tailgated.
FKemper
<allanw...@hotmail.com> schreibt:
>4 foot of flames tend to get the volvo driver behind me off my
>tail.
And it will kill your catalytic converter.
FKemper
(EBay0013) schreibt:
>Absolutely! Even if I happen to be driving at 80 MPH, if someone wants to
>pass
>me badly enough to tailgate, then let them pass.
Well, sometimes this is not very useful. Some time ago I was travelling with a
BMW 735 on the Autobahn from Munich to Augsburg (quite crowded, only two lanes
in each direction). The traffic in the right lane was doing some 60 miles, the
traffic in the left lane was doing some 75, and there were three or four cars
in fromt of me who kept me away from driving faster. behind me there was a guy
in a 3series BMW, lowered, huge front spoiler. He was tailgating me like hell.
Then suddenly my lane was fee, I hit the accelerator and speeded up to 140 mph.
He disappeared in the rear mirror, so I think it was a stock 316i engine. Then
the lanewas crowded again and he came up and tailgated me again.
We played that game three times until he left the Autobahn. I cannot understand
such people. And driving behind such ideots is horrible: They willnever give
way, even if they are not capable of going faster than 80.
Frank
Tsbeckman
You're behind a slow car while merging onto an expressway. There is a solid
white line to your left since you're still in the merge lane. The car in front
is trying to merge at 25mph. All of a sudden the car in back of you and the
car in back of it jump over that solid white line and go around you. You are
jammed in behind the slow-poke. Talk about frustrating! That's my biggest
pet-peeve.
If the driver behind me when I'm merging seems aggressive, I'll leave a 50ft.
gap in front so that I can accelerate and merge at 80mph (the way you're
supposed to do it) without fear of that idiot trying to jam me in by
"pre-merging" on me.
Tsbeckman
>limit or
>higher. If an asshole like you wants to pass me, it is your problem to deal
>with
>it,
>since I ain't going to break the limit to get a ticket for a piece of shit
>like
>can go on the sidewalk for all I care, but I won't go beyond the limit, if I
>don't FEEL
>LIEK IT! Not only that, by coming up behind my ass, you are simply BEGGING
>me to speed up, and I will just do the OPOSITE, i.e. slow down, you mo-fo!
>
>"John L. Harleman" wrote:
>
With small-dick drivers like this around, it's no wonder driving is more
miserable than ever before. Just get out of the way!!
What an A-hole.
Tsbeckman
just bad drivers.
I generally move over as soon as I can, but there have been many occasions of
late where I move over and the car in the left lane sort of just hangs in my
blind spot.
If you're going to tailgate, at least go past when given the chance!!
Tsbeckman
right lane when safe to do so and then cut back over into the left lane with a
F1-style chop-pass across their nose. A manual gesture for them to move over
(pointing to the right) and a stomp on the accelerator makes me soon forget
about the inconsiderate moron.
Tsbeckman
>goal is to connect with their car. Bullseye is their windshield. makes
>everyone in the car feel much better and my blood pressure goes down. Of
>course if there is more than one lane I would first be considerate and take
>the slower lane since I am in no hurry and they are.
>
I drive a VW Golf as my everyday car (E30 M3 on weekends). I keep both cars
super-clean so I never need to use the rear windshield washer on the Golf. I
have angled the sprayer so that it sprays straight out at the car behing me!!
It's very James Bond-like. I should fill the reservoir with oil -- or even
brake fluid!
Tsbeckman
>license and if it's taken away it's near impossible to get back. could
>this be a one cause for the difference?
>
>maybe this is a way for the us state governments to raise money and get
>bad drivers off the road.
It wouldn't matter. You'd be amazed at how many people are driving around with
suspended and revoked licenses. Even more have no insurance. All 3 violations
are punishable by time in jail, but judges rarely incarcerate unless it's like
the 3rd or 4th conviction.
It's insane because driving while suspended or revoked is such a clear
disregard for the law. It should be punished more than it is.
Richard T
and TSBeckmann also wrote:
It wouldn't matter. You'd be amazed at how many people are driving around
with
suspended and revoked licenses. Even more have no insurance. All 3
violations
are punishable by time in jail, but judges rarely incarcerate unless it's
like
the 3rd or 4th conviction. It's insane because driving while suspended or
revoked is such a clear
disregard for the law. It should be punished more than it is.
Ironically, in the UK if you were caught carrying out the undertaking
manouevre that you describe, you would be convicted of reckless driving,
which carries a jail sentence! People have really been jailed in the UK for
the above manouevre (thoughif it is their first offence a year's ban is more
common), even for doing it on a motorbike where the temptation to undertake
is far higher...
K Keesling
do. The "F1" maneuver cost them a one car accident. They oversteered, in
their anger, and caught the median and bounced around enough to activate
both airbags.
This was all because they were trying to teach the person in front of them a
lesson. Idon't know about you, but I have never heard someone say, "Gee
whiz, I didn't know I was driving poorly until that nice man in the BMW
passed me. I will sure drive better next time..." The aggressive driving
techniques people follow when they're mad is nothing more than road rage.
I try to remember that the other drivers may be having a bad day (found out
they just had cancer, family member sick, may lose their job, etc.) and I
take a deep breath and keep driving safely.
--
K Keesling
http://www.1800hotspas.com
Take care to get what you like or you will be forced to like what you
get. -- George Bernard Shaw, "Man and Superman"
Tsbeckman wrote in message <19991218205736...@ng-bh1.aol.com>...
Frank Whitehead
Some people can't seem to judge their speed unless they are tailgating.
I think it's funny to watch them on a multilane freeway - if you drop
them off your tail, then they start "wandering around kind of lost"
Hate the aggressive types though. If I can't move to the right, and
have cars ahead of me - then STAY BACK!
Frank
Matt O'Toole
"Frank Whitehead" <frwhi...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:385EA879...@earthlink.net...
> Some people can't seem to judge their speed unless they are tailgating.
> I think it's funny to watch them on a multilane freeway - if you drop
> them off your tail, then they start "wandering around kind of lost"
It's true. I've ridden with people who drive like this. I know others who
signal right then turn left, etc. Some people just can't walk and chew gum
at the same time...
Matt O.
Brad Houser
Frank Whitehead <frwhi...@earthlink.net> wrote in message > Some people
can't seem to judge their speed unless they are tailgating.
> I think it's funny to watch them on a multilane freeway - if you drop
> them off your tail, then they start "wandering around kind of lost"
Kind of a poor man's cruise control.
Eric
breaks for a fraction of a second then let off of them and keep driving. Its
really a site to see when you have someone behind you panicking because you
jammed your brakes on and he doesn't know what to do.
Tsbeckman <tsbe...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:19991218202759...@ng-bh1.aol.com...
Christopher
your slow moving piece of shit to the right
Itay Zandbank
>breaks for a fraction of a second then let off of them and keep driving. Its
>really a site to see when you have someone behind you panicking because you
>jammed your brakes on and he doesn't know what to do.
That sounds a little too dangerous. The guy behind can get too
histeric and try to avoid you by driving into the car next to him. I
find touching the brake (only enough so that the brake lights light
up) just as effective.
Itay
To email me, replace .co.il with .net.
Peter S. Saly
"Eric" <edan...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:0ql84.5609$i65....@news4.atl...
> I have a great technique for getting the tailgater off my ass. I slam on
my
> breaks for a fraction of a second then let off of them and keep driving.
Its
> really a site to see when you have someone behind you panicking because
you
> jammed your brakes on and he doesn't know what to do.
I'm sure the woman on the east coast, being tried for murder for doing just
what you described, still thinks it's a great technique...
Do the SMART thing...
Get the fuck out of the way of anybody stupid enough to tailgate you..
Why ?
Because if they are stupid enough to do something that deangerous..
Why are you stupid enough to jerk around with them..
It's much wiser to let them pass, and get behind them at a safe distance and
follow them...
When they run into a speed trap, you will usually have time to slow down and
avoid being caught..
Use them.. Don't fight with them...
Chris Hurlbutt
Get a life. People buy BMWs because they can and because they can go very
fast. You don't believe that they are purchased for anything else do you?
imho
RacerX
says...
>
>When someone won't move out of the left lane for me, I'll pass in the middle
or
>right lane when safe to do so and then cut back over into the left lane with a
>F1-style chop-pass across their nose. A manual gesture for them to move over
>(pointing to the right) and a stomp on the accelerator makes me soon forget
>about the inconsiderate moron.
A Beemer idiot did that to me one night. The nice officer obligingly showed
him the error of his ways. BTW, I was doing at least 75 in a 65. How much
faster do you want to go?
Not Working
"RacerX" <racerx@|:-).tomatoweb.com> wrote in message
news:I8po4.865$NA3.1...@news-west.eli.net...
car. ;-)
Bob