Maximum Alfa V6 Engine Size?
Graham Bannerman
I have a 3.0V6 GTV6 and I've heard that Autodelta in the UK have gone to 3.5
litres. Is this the known reliable maximum and where would one source the
pistons, liners, crank from for this size, or for any other conversion?
'Savali' is one other possibility that I've heard recently but I don't know
the source of these either or the specific sizes.
Reason is I'm becoming greedy for more oomph again and as a professional
engineer I can't afford and don't really want to pay someone else to do the
job when I'm perfectly able to do it myself, apart from the grin :) factor
of course.
Replies to the NG please or by e-mail of course.
Spannerman,
Blairgowrie,
Scotland.
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> I have a 3.0V6 GTV6 and I've heard that Autodelta in the UK have gone to 3.5
You have to be very rich since I bet fuel-consumption on 3,5 costs
yearly more than the car itself. 8^)
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Catman
<spann...@onet.co.uk> wrote:
>Anybody know how big you can go with the V6?
>
>I have a 3.0V6 GTV6 and I've heard that Autodelta in the UK have gone to 3.5
>litres. Is this the known reliable maximum and where would one source the
>pistons, liners, crank from for this size, or for any other conversion?
>
>'Savali' is one other possibility that I've heard recently but I don't know
>the source of these either or the specific sizes.
>
>Reason is I'm becoming greedy for more oomph again and as a professional
>engineer I can't afford and don't really want to pay someone else to do the
>job when I'm perfectly able to do it myself, apart from the grin :) factor
>of course.
>
>Replies to the NG please or by e-mail of course.
>
>Spannerman,
>Blairgowrie,
>Scotland.
>
>
Graham, the only one I heard of was 3.1l, not really what you want I
think
Question : Going for some kind of landspeed record? <VBG>
You may be able to spark some interest from the Alfa digest, but
whatever, plese keep us informed, this I have to see :)))
Catman
Tyger, Tyger, Burning Bright
Alfa Romeo 116 Giulietta 2.0l
Dennis
Savali (SAm VAn LIngen) http://www.autoboulevard.nl/lingen/ in Utrecht tunes
Alfa engines
They're the nr 1 tuning company in the Netherlands
I've tuned my 2.5 V6 engine from a GTV6 to 3.1 litre
When you've a 3.0 litre it is no problem to 'upgrade' it to 3.5 litre
Savali does not only change the litres size;
They replace the cylinders, camshaft etc to make it run at more revs.
So even when you have a 3.0 litre engine and you upgrade it to 3.1 litre,
expect A LOT more hp and torque.
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Editor
Rather than increasing displacement, why not get it supercharged? There are
a few European tuners who probably can do this and I would imagine you would
have a more reliable car than one scraped out to 3.5 litres.
You could also have the 24v motor fitted. That's probably even more hassle
but a wonderful engine.
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Graham Bannerman <spann...@onet.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Any names of these European tuners please? I have considered looking for
an
> unwanted Callaway turbo conversion from the US but they are likely to be
> rarer than rocking horse pooh....
>
> All hints and advice gratefully received.
>
> Spannerman.
>
> Editor wrote in message <7q0d3f$nnq$1...@neptunium.btinternet.com>...
Jez Suiter
A friend of mine 'tweeks' Alfas for a living and recently put a tuned 3l
into a GTV6 (with 240+BHP it was an absolute dream to drive) and I was
talking to him about the pro's and con's of doing 3.5l conversions. He
reckoned it's not worth it as he can get the same power from a 3.0l as he
could for a 3.5l conversion for the same cost. Considering what he's got
out of my brothers 2.5l V6 (240+BHP again, but this is a mega suped up race
car engine) I tend to agree with him.
Ultimately if it's power you want then forget increasing engine size and
have a turbo or two fitted and go absoluteley crazy hunting Ferrari's for
fun!
Jez
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Petrol
Just to keep you from wasting many precious hours looking for the Calloway
bits, I have already contacted them through the normal channels, as well as
thru a friend who works with them. All of the parts, jigs, models, prints,
etc have all been sold off, or destroyed over the years. All they had left
was the plenum portion of the intake manifold, but I wasnt interested in
that so I didnt ask about it.
I have an 88 MIlano/75 and am currently developing the manifolds and
plumbing to do the twin-turbo thing. I have seen reports and historys on
these cars producing upwards of 400hp when combined with some regular mods
(i.e., cams, exhaust, chip, etc.). I am doing this in my own home shop, so
free time and downtime for my Milano keep it from being a 100% priority. If
anyone is interested, reply to this message and let me know and I will give
you more information as it becomes availible.
By the by, if you are looking for parts (racing, OEM/stock, or tuning bits),
please take the time to contact the folks at Bellview Alfaromeo at
http://www.bellalfalambo.com and send them some email or give em a call
about any parts you are looking for (be sure and tell 'em that Microsoft
Scott sent ya! ). This isnt meant as a SPAM, it is highly important for us
as exotic owners to find reliable parts and good service, no? hehehe. I
used to get my parts from IAP and AR Ricambi, but I have found that the
Bellview guys charge close to half of what the others charge, for the SAME
factory Alfa parts! Like the "accordions" on the bumpers for example, IAP
wanted $92 and it would have taken 2 weeks so I passed...The guys at
Bellview had them in a few days, and the cost was only like $51. That is a
signifigant difference, and was all I needed to hear to change my mind.
Plus they are able to get some cool euro body and other pieces that arent
available from the "other" guys.
Hope this helps some of you out...
buoa fortuna
Scott!
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Iakovos Stamoulis
> Anybody know how big you can go with the V6?
>
> I have a 3.0V6 GTV6 and I've heard that Autodelta in the UK have gone to 3.5
> litres. Is this the known reliable maximum and where would one source the
> pistons, liners, crank from for this size, or for any other conversion?
I've seen an 3.5 GTV (new model) at Jano's Autodelta but I didn't drive it of
course
and can not comment on the performance. Number around 300 HP were mentioned.
Another choice is Novitec from Germany at http://www.novitec.com
I think that if you are in the Uk Autodelta is the place to do these novitec
conversions.
Cheers
Iakovos
Kevin Graham
<n238...@sparrow.qut.edu.au> wrote:
>I'm going to supercharge my Alfetta... gunna be great!
>
>MrCub
>
I have thought about turbo'ing my Spider, but although I (or friends
of mine) can fabricate all of the parts and design the system, what I
have run into a wall on is camshaft data. Obviously, to gain the
maximum benefit from a turbo (or supercharger) the camshaft(s) need to
be designed for boosted intake charge. It has been done by the
factory, race teams, and aftermarket builders, but none are very
liberal with the info, and even if you have the grind data (profile),
getting the cams made would be painfully expensive. If anyone has
found a reasonable source for these cams, I would be grateful, but
until then I must remain "naturally aspirated".
To reply via e-mail, replace "<nospam>" with "kegraham"
John Rutter
<spann...@onet.co.uk> writes
>Anybody know how big you can go with the V6?
>
>I have a 3.0V6 GTV6 and I've heard that Autodelta in the UK have gone to 3.5
>litres. Is this the known reliable maximum and where would one source the
>pistons, liners, crank from for this size, or for any other conversion?
The 3.5 size seems to a fairly common option upgrade for the 3.0 engine
(as well as 3.3 for the 2.5) but it seems pretty damn expensive.
AutoDelta are the main people in the UK doing this, but I know that
Barry Waterhouse of BWE looked into this and I believe he found the
parts are available from a company in Holland.
I've heard that the larger capacity does increase torque quite a bit,
but has little effect on outright power. Improving the intake seems to
be the best way to get the best power from these engines.
Alan Marshall is racing a bloody expensive V6 that is 3.5 litres, but he
doesn't always go as well as some other well modified (and well driven)
V6 engines that are still at 3 litre capacity. I know his car is heavier
than some, but all the same I think that making the existing capacity
work best is probably a good way to spend money on the engine.
If you want to make up some inlet trumpets for fuel injection, let me
know and I might just share the cost!!!
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John Rutter <jo...@olb.co.uk> schreef in berichtnieuws
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> In article <7pkabh$aar$1...@newnews.zoo.co.uk>, Graham Bannerman
> <spann...@onet.co.uk> writes
> >Anybody know how big you can go with the V6?
> >
> >I have a 3.0V6 GTV6 and I've heard that Autodelta in the UK have gone to
3.5
> >litres. Is this the known reliable maximum and where would one source the
> >pistons, liners, crank from for this size, or for any other conversion?
>
> The 3.5 size seems to a fairly common option upgrade for the 3.0 engine
> (as well as 3.3 for the 2.5) but it seems pretty damn expensive.
>
> AutoDelta are the main people in the UK doing this, but I know that
> Barry Waterhouse of BWE looked into this and I believe he found the
> parts are available from a company in Holland.
a few months ago i read in a dutch car magazine (called autokampioen), there
is a dutch alfa tuner indeed, who fits a 3.5 litre biturbo engine. don't
know all the details anymore (can check it out if you like) but i believe
the power of the engine is 306 bhp.
Chainsaw
tuning) in Houten The Netherlands.
I will get the adress and phone number if you like.
Erik
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brambo
name. but maybe the company i meant in my article just uses a savali engine
for their tuned cars.
bram
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Graham Bannerman
e-mail if you like.
Thanks.
Spannerman.
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