146 to Sportwagon
Alfajock
to change from my current 1998 146 1.8TS company car to a car allowance, so
I have done the decent thing and ordered a Sportwagon Selespeed Veloce (Alfa
Black with Red Momo - yum!).
I loved the selespeed transmission on the test drive, especially since I get
stuck in motorway congestion a lot and no clutch is a big bonus, but with
the new 150bhp engine it did not feel any faster than my 146. Alfa are now
claiming 9.0 sec 0-60 for this car, 0.2 sec less than before. Not a problem
really, but I was toying with the idea of putting in a Superchip for 10 more
BHP. Has anyone got experience of doing this? If so, was it worth it, and
does it cause any problems with the Selespeed transmission?
TIA
G.J.
possible (yet) i.e. to convert to LPG/LPI.
In 2 weeks time I will have my SW 1.8 tuned (approx. + 25HP, air intake filter
& custom, so NO standard, chip tuning) and will try to find out there what is
and what isn't possible for Sele's.
Will give details etc. after June 21rd.
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Gert-Jan / Holland
(156) SW 1.8
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Hans de Heer
"G.J." <quent...@chello.nl> wrote in message
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> From what I heard it's difficult to chip tune a Selespeed, like it is also
not
> possible (yet) i.e. to convert to LPG/LPI.
> In 2 weeks time I will have my SW 1.8 tuned (approx. + 25HP, air intake
filter
> & custom, so NO standard, chip tuning) and will try to find out there what
is
> and what isn't possible for Sele's.
> Will give details etc. after June 21rd.
I'm also interested in possibilities for chiptuning a Selespeed, so I'm
looking forward to any information you can get. Are you going to have it
done by Madeno (www.madeno.nl) by any chance?
Regards, Hans
http://come.to/snookers.place
Alfa Romeo 156 Selespeed - 1999
Alfa Romeo GT 1300 Junior - 1968
Alfajock
Alfajock
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iVan
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There's nothing about tuning the 156 2L engine at all on
http://www.superchips.co.uk let alone the Selespeed. If you find any info let
me know!!
Cheers,
Ivan.
156 Selespeed.
G.J.
Sorry Hans,
Part of the deal is NOT to disclose parties concerned.
I'll have to keep is a secret for the time being.
The "other" parties are still afraid it won't work' that's why.
I do expect that once everything is ok (with my SW) the secrecy will disappear.
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Gert-Jan / Holland
(156) SW 1.8
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Hans de Heer
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>
> Sorry Hans,
> Part of the deal is NOT to disclose parties concerned.
> I'll have to keep is a secret for the time being.
> The "other" parties are still afraid it won't work' that's why.
> I do expect that once everything is ok (with my SW) the secrecy will
disappear.
Okay, fair enough. If you can get any info on restrictions for tuning
Selespeeds though, I'd be interested to hear it, even if you can't mention
the company involved.
Hans de Heer
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> There's nothing about tuning the 156 2L engine at all on
> http://www.superchips.co.uk let alone the Selespeed. If you find any info
let
> me know!!
There's info on (chip)tuning the 2.0L engine on www.madeno.nl so it can be
done. They don't mention Selespeeds in particular though.
Regards, Hans
http://come.to/snookers.place
Alfa Romeo 156 Junior - 1999
Superpeo
cinghialetto di "Alfajock" <a.tho...@btinternet.com> scrisse:
>I have done the decent thing and ordered a Sportwagon Selespeed Veloce (Alfa
>Black with Red Momo - yum!).
Good choice! ;-))
>Not a problem
>really, but I was toying with the idea of putting in a Superchip for 10 more
>BHP. Has anyone got experience of doing this? If so, was it worth it, and
>does it cause any problems with the Selespeed transmission?
I went to an Italian tuner, specialized in Alfas, asking him the same
question you did here, but for my 147.
He told me they are working on a chip for the 150bhp 2 l. TS, and that
there will be no problems with the Selespeed.
Anyway, if you don't want to risk, he also told me that he has tuned
one without a new chip, but changing only the camshafts, the exhaust,
and the filter. In this way he got 173 (tested) bhp from the engine,
not loosing torque at low revs.
If you are interested, maybe I can find the specs of the new
camshafts.
>TIA
Ciao!
Superpeo (MI) -21,150-
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Alfajock
way too timid to start that level of surgery on a brand new engine! I was
thinking of chipping it as a quick and reversible solution... and then of
course there's justifying it all to the wife ...:))
Superpeo wrote in message <0ln2it8nvu6vqieei...@4ax.com>...
>Stavo progettando il mio prossimo volo in minimoto, e quel
>cinghialetto di "Alfajock" <a.tho...@btinternet.com> scrisse:
>
Toomas Kordemets
> I went to an Italian tuner, specialized in Alfas, asking him the same
> question you did here, but for my 147.
> He told me they are working on a chip for the 150bhp 2 l. TS, and that
> there will be no problems with the Selespeed.
>
> Anyway, if you don't want to risk, he also told me that he has tuned
> one without a new chip, but changing only the camshafts, the exhaust,
> and the filter. In this way he got 173 (tested) bhp from the engine,
> not loosing torque at low revs.
>
> If you are interested, maybe I can find the specs of the new
> camshafts.
Let us know. Does that italian tuner have homepage? I found
couple of tuners from internet who can upgrade 2.0TS,
autodelta, novitec, madeno for example, but they are all
quite expencive if you compare with US or german cars tuning
parts :(
Tom
Superpeo
>Let us know. Does that italian tuner have homepage?
There's another one I want to go asking how and if he upgrades the
150bhp 2.0 TS, whose name is Balduzzi and who should work only on
Alfa, but he hasn't an homepage. I'll let you know as soon as I get
there.
>couple of tuners from internet who can upgrade 2.0TS,
>autodelta,
Autodelta??? Where is he from? Homepage? I suppose he's not the *real*
Autodelta, isn't he?
>novitec, madeno for example, but they are all
>quite expencive if you compare with US or german cars tuning
>parts :(
Yes, Novitec I know is quiete expencive, also because for the most of
his upgrades he puts turbos, for example on the 2.5 V6 (also
twinturbo, if I remeber well). I dont' know the prices in Germany, but
I found italian tuners to be cheaper than English ones, for example.
>Tom
Ciao!
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Toomas Kordemets
> Yes: www.romeoferraris.com
They did'nt have any information about performance (as much
as I understood italian:). Probably I have to write them...
> Autodelta??? Where is he from? Homepage? I suppose he's not the *real*
> Autodelta, isn't he?
I ment autodelta in GB, http://www.autodelta.co.uk/
They have performance camshaft vith "28bhp typical power
increase" for selespeed (with chiptuning and raised rev
limit to 7500). But it's price is GBP1850 with fitting and
it can be fitted only in their workshop. Novitec turbo kit
has practically same price.
They have also turbo kit for 2.0TS, 225bhp, GBP3820 with
fitting. They promised to release new turbo kit witch can be
fitted by customer, 210 bhp. But it's available in fall 2001
and they did'nt know the price yet.
I have quite new 156 selespeed sw and I don't want to
upgrade it (oops, her:) in warranty time (maybe some
chiptuning, but chip seems to give not enough power to
justify it's price). But I'm thinking of the day when
warranty is over and I have some extra money to spent:)
Tom
Superpeo
cinghialetto di Toomas Kordemets <t...@uninet.ee> scrisse:
>They did'nt have any information about performance (as much
>as I understood italian:). Probably I have to write them...
He puts on the webstite just the power increase of the tuned chips.
Btw, as I wrote, camshafts, exhaust and a new filter gave 173hp on the
150hp 2.0 TS.
On the old 155 2.0 TS, he assured an increase of 10bhp with chiptuning
at the price of 800000 Italian liras, wich is about 250 GBP.
>I have quite new 156 selespeed sw and I don't want to
>upgrade it (oops, her:) in warranty time (maybe some
>chiptuning, but chip seems to give not enough power to
>justify it's price).
Yes, that's what I think.... it'good on Jtds (if anyone is interested,
here's the power and torque diagram from a 146 of a friend of mine,
with Ferraris' chip: www.cinghialoni.org/banco_146.jpg ... look at the
torque! :-OO), turbos, but on an engine like the 2.0 TS, I'd do it
only in association with a more consistant tuning.
>But I'm thinking of the day when
>warranty is over and I have some extra money to spent:)
In GB you have 3 years, right?
In Italy we have one year, and we can extend, paying around 350 USD
for one year on a 147 like mine, it up to 3 years.
The good thing is that there are some tuners (the one I gave you the
link is one of them) who are also Alfa official dealers... so you can
tune there your car, and if something happens, he repairs it in
warranty! ;-)))
>Tom
Ciao!
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Toomas Kordemets
> Btw, as I wrote, camshafts, exhaust and a new filter gave 173hp on the
> 150hp 2.0 TS.
Ups, I didn't notice this information is about the same
tuner. All clear:)
> >I have quite new 156 selespeed sw and I don't want to
> >upgrade it (oops, her:) in warranty time (maybe some
> >chiptuning, but chip seems to give not enough power to
> >justify it's price).
>
> Yes, that's what I think.... it'good on Jtds
Fiat does not sell diesel alfas here, I don't know why.
Maybe it's about our diesel quality, whitch is really bad.
> In GB you have 3 years, right?
> In Italy we have one year, and we can extend, paying around 350 USD
> for one year on a 147 like mine, it up to 3 years.
> The good thing is that there are some tuners (the one I gave you the
> link is one of them) who are also Alfa official dealers... so you can
> tune there your car, and if something happens, he repairs it in
> warranty! ;-)))
No, I'm from estonia, we have quite new alfa dealer here and
no Alfa tuners :) So I need to import everything I need. But
of cource we have lot of men with golden hands who have
tuned old russian cars 30 years. Old russian Lada was
practically identical to Fiat 124, so we have lot of alfa
experience here:))
And we have 1 year warranty on new alfas, no long time to
wait.
Tom