2.0JTS vs. 2.5 V6
Kristian Salo
I have read from a few reviews that the 156 with the 2.0 littre engine is
more "balanced" setup than the one with the 2.5 littre V6. What does that
actually mean?
Here in Finland the 2.0 comes with the 15" alloys and the 2.5 with the 16"
alloys. My plan is to use the those on my Winter tyres and get 17" alloys
for the summer tyres.
I have a difficulty in choosing between those two setups. Could someone post
some pro's and cons of these setups.
Kristian
Peksi
One question: why would you like to have a "more balanced" setup, if you can
have a real Alfa V6 setup instead?
:)
peksi
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Djbase
If you buy the 2.0T.S. you'll be sorry you didn't have the ultimate version
back then, so you will want the 2.5 V6...
And if you buy the 2.5 V6 you'll want the GTA :) It never stops ...
But atleast you'll have a real alfa engine. Which is a lot more fun then the
2.0TS.
And you can upgrade the suspension to have a better balance.
Stiffer anti-roll bar, better shocks/spring.
Strut brace
Read this :
http://www.alfa156.net/fr_index.html?/lowering.html
Greetz,
Djbase,
Alfa 156 V6 zender
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Kristian
"Djbase" <alfa...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Ivan
> :) What makes the 2.5 real and the 2.0 not real Alfa Engine?
>
Hi Kristan.
The V6 is *based* upon the *real* Alfa V6, but has been considerably
*bastardised* since Fiat took over Alfa. I.E. It now has 24 valves as
opposed to the original 12 valves. It is still regarded as one of the best,
if not THE best V6's available in a production car today.
The 1.6, 1.8, 2.0 l engines are all based on a Fiat design (as are the
Diesels), and therefore, have *no* Alfa heritage!
To be honest, the 4 pot engines still have gobs-full more character than
other manufacturers engines IMO.
I know DJ is very passionate about the V6 (and rightly too) but the 4 pots
are a good compromise and I'm pretty sure the JTS would give the V6 a run
for its money! You might not overtake it on the road, but you would, like
F1, pass it while it's refuelling ;-))
Regards,
--
Ivan.
156 Selespeed.
Djbase
The V6 is still a real alfa engine which has it's root back around 1979 ...
(upgraded tru the years ofcourse)
An alfa V6 engine is one of the most joyfull engines in his class, sharp
responses, keeps on pulling tnx to his 24v head.
Very sharp response from the engine at any RPM, If your used to an alfa V6,
then LOW RPM on all other cars except V8 engines, do seem as if they don't
have power there, even an subaru wrx with a full flow-free exhaust doesn't
have that power at a mere 2000rpm ...
It Revs fast, it has got power, don't be allarmed with such a low max torque
figure, it's because it's at an verry high RPM (5000). At has got a 6 speed
gear box.
The 6-speed gearbox is also a lot sweater/faster then the 2.0T.S.'s gearbox.
+ verry strong 2nd gear.
P.S. : My first 156 was a 2.0, then I sold it and got a 2.5 V6, then I sold
that one, go a scooby wrx, and now I've just bougt a 156 V6 again ...
Greetz,
Djbase,
Alfa 156 V6 2.5
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Kristian Salo
It says on the page:"156 2,5 V6 has standard suspensions almost like a sofa
on wheels..." and the car I am getting is company car, so I cannot tune it.
That does not sound very good... :I
Argh... this is difficult and I have to wait until next week to test drive
them... :)
Kristian
"Djbase" <alfa...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Read this :
>
> http://www.alfa156.net/fr_index.html?/lowering.html
>
Djbase
I've always got the V6 with the sport suspension off factory.
But it could also be, that nowerdays, this problem has been taken care
off...
Maybe a new alfa 156 2.5 V6 2003 owner can tell ? Anyone ?
Greetz,
Djbase
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Djbase
"Ivan" <ivan....@virgin.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Kristian Salo" <kristians...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:b5stom$h02$1...@nyytiset.pp.htv.fi...
> > :) What makes the 2.5 real and the 2.0 not real Alfa Engine?
> >
>
> Hi Kristan.
>
> The V6 is *based* upon the *real* Alfa V6, but has been considerably
> *bastardised* since Fiat took over Alfa. I.E. It now has 24 valves as
> opposed to the original 12 valves. It is still regarded as one of the
best,
> if not THE best V6's available in a production car today.
>
> The 1.6, 1.8, 2.0 l engines are all based on a Fiat design (as are the
> Diesels), and therefore, have *no* Alfa heritage!
Indeed ... BUT on the other hand... Fiat did also do some good things for
alfa romeo ... look at their success now ... Fiat made better gearbox's ...
+ Look at the ALFA 155 Q4, it has the same LANCIA 2.0 integrale Turbo engine
!!!! Like the fiat coupe !!!
And this one can use fuel as no other :) But it's one of the most explosive
combination the fiat group has... except for the 5cyl Turbo...
Do not get me wrong, they can produce V6 turbo'd engines like they have
done... but with 2.0ltr only ... 200bhp opposed to the 4cyl that gave
215bhp in the integrale and the 5cyl who gave 220bhp,
and these engines are tunable, seen a lot of figures around 280bhp without
modifying main engine components... and they last... Someone here on this
newsgroup has an 155 Q4 with 265bhp and 400nm torque !!! (dyno run) without
to many mods and like he says, as steady as a rock....
>
> To be honest, the 4 pot engines still have gobs-full more character than
> other manufacturers engines IMO.
-> That's true :)
>
> I know DJ is very passionate about the V6 (and rightly too) but the 4 pots
> are a good compromise and I'm pretty sure the JTS would give the V6 a run
> for its money! You might not overtake it on the road, but you would, like
> F1, pass it while it's refuelling ;-))
The stuff about the fuel is absolutly correct, but you cannot replace the
alfa V6 with the JTS, it could NEVER give it a run for it's money, it has a
character no other 4cyl can ever have.
Mind you that the 3ltr is even a lot better ! Torque as well as revvy :)
That's why I want to mod mine to a 3ltr V6 :)
Like I said, don't put me in a 2.0 T.S. I will be bored in no time...
Greetz,
Djbase
Tony Rickard
> But it also says, if you take the sport suspension it's good :)
>
> I've always got the V6 with the sport suspension off factory.
>
> But it could also be, that nowerdays, this problem has been taken care
> off...
>
> Maybe a new alfa 156 2.5 V6 2003 owner can tell ? Anyone ?
Mine is a Veloce, so has the sports suspension. To me it is a fine
compromise between a comfy family/company car and a sports saloon. There is
quite a lot more body movement than the GTV though. For me it is fine as I
have to transport the family and work colleagues around in it & they tend
not to appreciate my sporting driving, whilst alone it is a fine handling
car. It is a compromise though, and if handling was the only criteria no
doubt some stiffening wouldn't go amiss...
Cheers
Tony
Antti
> DJ: Thank for the link .
>
> It says on the page:"156 2,5 V6 has standard suspensions almost like a
sofa
> on wheels..." and the car I am getting is company car, so I cannot tune
it.
> That does not sound very good... :I
>
> Argh... this is difficult and I have to wait until next week to test drive
> them... :)
>
So u need to take it with sportpack, if u cannot tune it by urself. But as
others say go for the V6, its very good engine . 17" wheels is good setup
with some lowered car, totally different than those small ones.
Antti
Kristian Salo
available in anymore. At least in Finland??
I test drove the 2.5 V6 today. The sound was awesome :) and the car was
great, except it had a tendency understeer when pushed really hard. Also the
suspension was a lot softer than on the Ford Focus ST170 and the BMW 320 I
also drove today. The 156 was equipped with 16" 205/55 tyres.
All in all, I really loved the car. I wonder if the 2.0JTS feels "stiffer"
with the lighter engine?
It is a difficult choice. I have to choose between the 2.5 V6 with no extras
or the 2.0JTS with leather seats 17" wheels and the cruise control... :)
Kristian
ps. Just the thought of the 2.5 V6 engine sound and performance still brings
a smile on my face.
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Tony Rickard
> It is a difficult choice. I have to choose between the 2.5 V6 with no
extras
> or the 2.0JTS with leather seats 17" wheels and the cruise control... :)
>
> Kristian
>
> ps. Just the thought of the 2.5 V6 engine sound and performance still
brings
> a smile on my face.
I think you have answered your own question :)
Do bear in mind the JTS is a very efficient modern engine and will give
much better mpg than the V6. If this is not important then the V6
performance wins out for me.
Cheers
Tony
Kristian Salo
Kristian
"Tony Rickard" <tony.r...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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Djbase
last tank I did 19l / 100km :( (around 260km and the fuel tank was empty :(
but normally I do 13 a 14l /100km
But !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I drove like a maniac :) Every single
morning/evening
I gave it 10 minutes to warm up ofcourse
Full speed - 7000rpm daily :)
Just was happy to have an alfa V6 back :)
Greetz,
Djbase
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Rauno
SW, and only thing I miss is SeleSpeed. And SeleSpeed has 16" wheels by
default. The selection between these two (2.0 <-> 2.5) depend quite a lot
how much you drive. The costs with V6 seems to be bigger,
-Rauno
Tony Rickard
> > much better mpg than the V6. If this is not important then the V6
> > performance wins out for me.
> Hmm. what is mpg?
Sorry, UK term:
mpg = miles per gallon = fuel consumption
Cheers
Tony
Kristian Salo
Kristian
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Tony Rickard
"Djbase" wrote:
>
> last tank I did 19l / 100km :( (around 260km and the fuel tank was empty
:(
>
> but normally I do 13 a 14l /100km
>
> But !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I drove like a maniac :) Every single
> morning/evening
So do you think you will go back to 14l/100km and stop driving like a
maniac...<G>
Cheers
Tony
Kristian Salo
"gear stick and clutch". Maybe I should try it out.
Kristian
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Tony Rickard
> Heh... luckily the company car comes with the company gasoline card :D
Sounds the perfect match for a V6 :)
Djbase
Greetz,
Djbase
Alfa 156 v6 2.5
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Tony Rickard
> > >
> > > But !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I drove like a maniac :) Every single
> > > morning/evening
> >
> > So do you think you will go back to 14l/100km and stop driving like a
> > maniac...<G>
> No :)
So 19l/100km it is then - get used to it <G>
For us Brits - Less than 15mpg - Ouch!!
Cheers
Tony
Peksi
is it still so that V6 in Finland doesn't have leather seats as standard?!
As far as I have understood in other markets the V6 has almost everything
as standard - very little optional extras... at least that's the case here
in France.
peksi
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Rauno M
No leather seats as standard even with v6.
-Rauno
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Kristian Salo
2200 euros. The Alfas are priced VERY competitive. I could get a BMW 316
sedan for the same price as the 156 2.5 V6. (the 316 has 100Hp;)
The 156 2.5 V6 has allmost all the other options as standard. The that are
not standard are wooden steering wheel, Cruise Control, Leather interior,
Metallic color, Sun Roof and Xenon Lights.
BTW, I test drove the 2.5 again today and crashed it :( There was sand on
the asphalt and the Alfa understeered to the curbstone. The tyre exploded,
the rim got bent and the car computer told me:" ABS error, Contact Dealer."
Luckily it was insured, but I lost 420euros on that test drive... Great car
though..., but I feel bad destroying such a fine piece of machinery. Maybe I
should just ride a bus.
Kristian Salo (Obviously not related to the ex. F1 driver Mika Salo ;)
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Antti
> Yes, you are correct. The leather interior is an option that costs around
> 2200 euros. The Alfas are priced VERY competitive. I could get a BMW 316
> sedan for the same price as the 156 2.5 V6. (the 316 has 100Hp;)
>
> The 156 2.5 V6 has allmost all the other options as standard. The that are
> not standard are wooden steering wheel, Cruise Control, Leather interior,
> Metallic color, Sun Roof and Xenon Lights.
>
> BTW, I test drove the 2.5 again today and crashed it :( There was sand on
> the asphalt and the Alfa understeered to the curbstone. The tyre exploded,
> the rim got bent and the car computer told me:" ABS error, Contact
Dealer."
> Luckily it was insured, but I lost 420euros on that test drive... Great
car
> though..., but I feel bad destroying such a fine piece of machinery. Maybe
I
> should just ride a bus.
>
Yes Alfas are cheap here in Finland compared to other "same category" cars,
you spend easily
10-15te more in other marks if you want same handling, power etc.. Even IF
something goes to fixing/repairing you have still that price advantage.btw
if you want conversate in finnish lanquage
check http://www.alfabbs.tk/. Sorry about that crash...
Antti
156V6 -98
LaTiNo
I have the JTS and it's a wonderfull engine! But unfortunately I can't
compare it to the V6 because I've never had the privilege to drive in
one :(
I guess that if you testdrive both cars that you will always choose
the most powerful one. I just can't believe that there seems to be no
financial consideration too. The V6 is much more expensive (price as
well as gas-usage) and would cost me much more than the JTS as a
companycar. I guess that's why so much people with companycars drive
Diesels :) But if that is no problem go for the V6 or you will spend a
few years shouting at yourself for not have chosen the V6 :)
I also have the sportspack with 17" wheels and find the comfort good
enough. Even better than my old 146 with sportspack and 15" wheels!!
Let us know what you've decided.