4L60E trans. pan bolt torque specs
DonW
Did my annual "drain the pan & new filter" routine and discovered I didn't
have the correct specs to reinstall the pan.
TIA
Marsh Monster
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dpw8602...@zoemail.net (DonW)
Need torque specs for '03 Envoy transmission pan bolts using new gasket.
Did my annual "drain the pan & new filter" routine and discovered I
didn't have the correct specs to reinstall the pan. TIA
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TorqueSpecs: good-n-tight
I personally use a 3/8 impact gun with a 4"
extension.....it's tight when the socket and
extension rattles.
WARNING........
my 3/8 impact is worn out......adjust yours
accordingly.
but seriously folks.......
you could do it this way too.....
use a ratchet with a 6 inch extension, tighten
the pan bolts up to "snug"......then using only
one hand on the ratchet, tighten the pan bolts
up tight. Then.....using the other hand hit each
bolt one more time with jest a little nudge.
actually works faster than it sounds.
Fact.....not Fiction
MarshMonster
~tightens 4 or 5 a day that way~
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hunter
I always torque mine to 14 Ft/Lbs. That is about the correct amount
based on the bolt size and hardness. You could go a little more but
the important thing is that they are all the same torque and not to
squeeze out the gasket.
//Hunter
"Doc"
12-15 ft/lbs
Doc
>
>
DonW
awhile and recheck. While the pan was off it's now sporting a new drain
plug to make next year's job a little smoother.
Hairy
Good idea, installing a plug. Details please.
H
Bret Chase
>:|"DonW" <dpw8602...@zoemail.net> wrote in message news:<10gbi85...@corp.supernews.com>...
don't go more than 15ft/lbs at the most... it's not the bolt you need
to worry about.. it's the aluminum the housing is made from.
-Bret
DonW
"Hairy" <hair...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2mo8ssF...@uni-berlin.de...
hole & tack welded (I've got a small mig welder) a nut to the inside of the
pan. The nut has a couple hacksaw slots about 1/3rd of the way so oil can
drain from the bottom and not stop at a level the thickness of the nut. The
nut is tightened in place and tack welded on sides opposite the saw slots.
I use a hardware store copper washer as the actual seal. I've done this on
a couple vehicles. Just have to look at the bottom of the trans. to make
sure the location of the drain will not interfere with anything. Most auto
parts stores sell a drain kit that is tightened in place and has a 1/8 in.
pipe plug as the actual drain. While they are ok some residual oil will
remain in the pan.
Marsh Monster
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"Hairy" <hair...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
Good idea, installing a plug. Details please. H
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dpw8602...@zoemail.net (DonW)
The plug is a 1/2-13 nut & bolt. While the pan was off I drilled a 1/2
in. hole & tack welded (I've got a small mig welder) a nut to the inside
of the pan. The nut has a couple hacksaw slots about 1/3rd of the way so
oil can drain from the bottom and not stop at a level the thickness of
the nut. The nut is tightened in place and tack welded on sides opposite
the saw slots. I use a hardware store copper washer as the actual seal.
I've done this on a couple vehicles. Just have to look at the bottom of
the trans. to make sure the location of the drain will not interfere
with anything. Most auto parts stores sell a drain kit that is tightened
in place and has a 1/8 in. pipe plug as the actual drain. While they are
ok some residual oil will remain in the pan.
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Same ole question.......
How you gonna change the filter?
Yank it out through the drain hole?
Summit Racing, B&M, or any trans parts
house will sell you a drain plug kit for around
$8.00. Pop a hole in the pan and stick her
on in there.
No welding involved.
Though you may still have that residual left
in the pan.....you know.....bout a half a coffee
cup full. But not to worry......you can just
wipe that out with a rag.......
WHEN YOU TAKE THE PAN OFF TO CHANGE THE FILTER.
after all......that's why you do a service any ways .....ain't
it??????????????
hmmmmmm......maybe i've been wasting
my money all these years....changing the
oil filter when i done all them oil changes.
nah....
~:~
MarshMonster
~has a service to do.....now where's that
impact gun?~
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Hairy
"Marsh Monster" <SwampGrassPro...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:27819-410...@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net...
Nope. But I don't trust transmission flushes. AFTER I change the filter, I
like to drain the pan a couple of times over a period of a few weeks to get
more of the old fluid replaced. That's much more easily done with a plug
installed. Makes filter changes much less messy, too for those of us that
don't have a lift to put the vehicle on.
H
DonW
>>
> Same ole question.......
>
> How you gonna change the filter?
> Yank it out through the drain hole?
>
>
Read original post.
Marsh Monster
.
even if he didn't say so.
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MarshMonster
typed out ::
Same ole question.......
How you gonna change the filter?
Yank it out through the drain hole?
<snip>
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dpw8602...@zoemail.net (DonW)
slapped ole Marsh in the face with his
greasy shop towel and repremanded him
with..........
Read original post.
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Marsh grabbed a fender cover, wiped his
head down, and appologized (sorta) with:
I stand corrected.
Forgive my impetuous reply.
I promise to do better.
I will read all OPs twice before posting.
I will read the thread twice also.
I WILL READ WHAT YOU TYPED.
and then reply.....i promise!
AND THEN I WILL READ BETWEEN THE
LINES AND ASS U ME that you meant
WHAT YOU DIDN'T TYPE!!!!!!!
After reading your OP again, then your
next reply.......
I G U E S S E D ......that you're probly
gonna change the filter during your services.
after all......
you didn't come right out and say it.
So.....
if you ever come into the shop for a tuneup.....
i'll go ahead and assume that you want me
to install the whole ball of wax.....
that way i'll be covered......and you'll be happy.
MarshMonster
~would like you to read what you typed, and
then maybe type what you meant~
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Marsh Monster
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hair...@hotmail.com (Hairy)
explained to Marsh:
But I don't trust transmission flushes.
AFTER I change the filter, I like to drain the pan a couple of times
over a period of a few weeks to get more of the old fluid replaced.
That's much more easily done with a plug installed. Makes filter changes
much less messy, too for those of us that don't have a lift to put the
vehicle on.
H
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Hairy fellow,
If you read my post, you'll notice that i may
have made a slight mention about an easier
way to put in a drain plug, and possibly, if i
remember correctly, i may have made a minor
reference to changing the filter after you pulled
the plug.
With that said......
Yer a smart feller for not trusting tranny flushes.
I don't advocate them at all. Totally against the
process, for my own reasons.
any whooo......
bout draining that fluid a couple times......
why over several weeks?
why a couple times?
and......
how often do you torment yerself by doing
this?
and ......
could you please define "flush" for me,
jest curious
MarshMonster
~:~
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Marshall Banana
> why over several weeks?
> why a couple times?
Because you can't completely drain the torque converter just by draining
the pan. A lot of fluid remains in the converter. So if you drain it
several times, each time you drain it you dilute the "old" fluid by half.
You have to drive it a bit to mix the old fluid with the new before you
drain it again. A few weeks isn't necessary, 10 miles or so should do.
Say 25% of the fluid remains in the transmission after draining. If you
fill it up with fresh fluid, you have 75% fresh fluid, and 25% old. Drive
it a bit, drain and refill. Now you have 12.5% old fluid, 87.5% new. Do
that again, 6.25% old fluid, 95.75% new, and that's good enough for me.
> how often do you torment yerself by doing
> this?
Me, every 5 years or so, but I only put about 3 or 4 thousand miles a year
on my truck. My other two cars are manuals, and get the gear oil changed
every 2 years.
> and ......
> could you please define "flush" for me,
Take it to a transmission shop. They disconnect the lines that lead to
the tranmsission cooler and hook them up to a flushing pump. It forces
new fluid in, and most all the old fluid out. Eliminates the drain and
refill 3x method. Most of the chain shops do NOT include changing the
filter in this service.
BTW, could you please use normal quoting characters, a ">" before each
line of quited text, rather than this:
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It makes it really tough to figure out who said what.
--
Most people won't fuck around with you if they
think you're going to wack them with a stick.
-- Dr. Funkenstein
shiden_Kai
> BTW, could you please use normal quoting characters, a ">" before each
> line of quoted text, rather than this:
>
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>
> It makes it really tough to figure out who said what.
We've tried to get the Marsh man to cut and paste
and quote normally, but so far it hasn't worked. I
will say that it's much better then it used to be when
he first appeared. Once you figure out his way of
putting together a post, you can sorta make heads or
tails of what he's saying. I don't think I smoke what
he's smoking, so that could be part of the problem.
Ian
Hairy
Why??
>
> After reading your OP again, then your
> next reply.......
>
> I G U E S S E D ......that you're probly
> gonna change the filter during your services.
>
Why would you have to guess? He stated clearly that he had changed the
filter.
> after all......
> you didn't come right out and say it.
>
Sure he did. You just can't read.
>
> So.....
> if you ever come into the shop for a tuneup.....
> i'll go ahead and assume that you want me
> to install the whole ball of wax.....
>
> that way i'll be covered......and you'll be happy.
>
>
>
>
> MarshMonster
> ~would like you to read what you typed, and
> then maybe type what you meant~
Hairy
~would like Marshy to explain his sig. line.
Refinish King
It must have cured what he didn't have, and that's why he posts the way he
does?
LOL
Refinish King
"shiden_Kai" <violet-lighte...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:JdjOc.132883$Mr4.68908@pd7tw1no...
"Doc"
"Refinish King" <noneofyou...@mindyourbusiness.com> wrote in message
news:6gyOc.33$Xy...@fe39.usenetserver.com...
> Marsh must be smoking some really "GOOD SHIT!"
>
> It must have cured what he didn't have, and that's why he posts the way he
> does?
>
> LOL
>
> Refinish King
Nah, he's a webbie and AFAIK WebTV doesn't put ">" in replies.
Doc
Marsh Monster
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MarshMonster asked........
could you please define "flush" for me,
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d...@angband.org (Marshall Banana)
helped ole Marsh out with this definition........
Take it to a transmission shop. They disconnect the lines that lead to
the tranmsission cooler and hook them up to a flushing pump. It forces
new fluid in, and most all the old fluid out. Eliminates the drain and
refill 3x method. Most of the chain shops do NOT include changing the
filter in this service.
BTW, could you please use normal quoting characters, a ">" before each
line of quited text, rather than this:
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It makes it really tough to figure out who said what.
Marshall Banana
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MarshMonster
dropped his pipe.....stared at his cup....
and wiped his eyes in disbelief.....
A TALKING BANANA!!!!! man that's some
good shroom juice......or maybe it wuz duh
smoke.
Hey Nanner,
them lines there.....
how's that.....???
Better??
NO!!???
sorry....
I'll try something else next time....promise.
Now....
bout that "flush" definition you gave me....
thanks.
preecy eye ate it .
clears things up.
however.......
what's the chances that yer wrong???
you know.....
like .....maybe not completely correct??
like.....
maybe yer guessing???
or....
jest passing on hear-say??
nah......
you seem like a good enough feller to me.
I don't think you'de mislead the entire internet
by posting false, misleading, potentially costly,
information out here in space for all DIY'ers to
read.
would you???
come on.....
yer guess'n ain't yuh?
you don't really know fer shure what the
proceedure for a tranny flush is...do yuh??
yer jest repeat'n rumors.....ain't yuh??
that's okay.....
I forgive yer ignorance.
but....
you better becarefull bout that sort of thing....
it's libel to git you called names in the NG's.
oh yeah.....
i'm gonna check up on that tranny flush deal.
jest in case i might be the one that's mislead'n
folks.
if i was wrong bout you....i promise to make
an open statement in Forum apologizing.
and......
jest fer you.....
i'm gonna work on this quoting thing too.
but fer now.....
any thing you see under the little lines......
will be breaking the quotes between each
reply.
that help yuh any??
how bout that background color??
is it okay???
some folks don't like it.
but then.....
some folks don't tint there eyeballs with the
same chemicals i do.....so go figure.
by the way ......
i didn't ask for a definition of a tranny flush.
i asked for HIS definition of "Flush".
you might want to look it up yerself.
now......
would you mind answering a question for me?
during this little proceedure......
are you changing the filter EVERY time?
the understanding here is that yer doing this
at least 3 times ....and you personally advocate
that 10 miles between the draining is enough...
correct??
3 filters
18 qts tranny fluid
that's what.....bout $55.00 ????????????
of course.....we kinda need to figure in all
that aggrevation involved in actually doing
it ON THE GROUND....too don't we.
you know....
that scalding hot arse fluid run'n down yer
arm pits.....lmao.
hehehehehehee
yer silly
and you reeeeellly think.....
that doing it 3 times is doing it good???
bout that process you explained to me.....
let me see if I can figure yer logic here.
A 4L60E holds 12 qts of fluid.
now on the first service you cut that down
by 1/2
so you pour in 6 qts....now you got.....
how many quarts dirty fluid is still in the
tranny???? jest 6????
ROTFLMFAO.....
yer not only silly.....
yer hilarious.
MarshMonster
~wonders if you want some shroom juice too........so you can realize how
funny you
really are~
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Marsh Monster
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or is that....some trim????
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<snip>
I G U E S S E D ......that you're probly gonna change the filter
during your services.
after all......
you didn't come right out and say it.
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hair...@hotmail.com (Hairy)
thunked he'd git in some keyboard time,
so he scribbled out......
<snipped for impotence>
Why would you have to guess? He stated clearly that he had changed the
filter.
Sure he did. You just can't read.
Hairy
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Dear Hairy,
you lazy focker you,
read the thread yer own self.....dipthong!!
The only place the OP mentioned the filter
wuz at the start of the thread.
NOT THE ONE I REPLIED TO that you were
quoting me on. Though....unlike you, i did
read the entire thread.....and.....had.....
READ WHAT WAS WRITTEN!!!
i will allow that he changed the filter on the
initial job.
however.......
catpuke.....
I F........yer sorry, quick draw'n, hip shoot'n,
fast diagnose'n arse would read all posts
that the OP has made.....perhaps you would
READ WHAT HE WROTE!!!
or....
didn't you see the part about the bit of fluid
left in the bottom of the pan???
DIPSTICK FER BRAINS!!
now Hairy.......
whhhyyyy nnnnn thheeee HELLL....
would the guy be worried about a 1/2 cup of
fluid in the bottom of the pan.....???
IF HE WAS CHANGING THE FILTER???!!!!
rekon he's jest overly neat there Hairy???
slow down a bit there Hairy....
no need to read so fast.....
cuz......
I TYPE REAL SLOW.
and one more thing.....
bout that Hair of yers......
we're gonna have to notify the EPA ....
you got enough of dem empty spray cans
lay'n about to warrant calling you a mass
producer of hazardous waste.
you could get yerself a fine.
and if'n you persist on use'n so much of it....
how bout some tape on them eyes when
yer spraying it on.....might help a bit in yer
comprehension if'n you could actually see
what you wuz try'n to.
~:~
MarshMonster
~kicks Hairy in the balls......slaps him side
the head with his 24mm wrench.....drags
him down 5 bays.....ties him to the drive-on
by his ankles......and hits the button on the lift...........Hairy, i
told you, one more broken
part and it's gonna be by the neck next time........LEARN TO READ the
directions
when you don't know what yer doin~
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Hairy
~wasted bandwidth snipped~
<snipped for impotence>
Sorry to hear about your dysfunction. I understand that there is medication
available for that problem.
~:~MarshMonster
~kicks Hairy in the balls......
Ummm....you misspelled "kissed".
H
Marsh Monster
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~:~MarshMonster
~kicks Hairy in the balls......
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hair...@hotmail.com (Hairy)
Sorry to hear about your dysfunction. I understand that there is
medication available for that problem.
Ummm....you misspelled "kissed".
H
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Hairy,
trust me......
i take plenty of medication, and am experimenting with new ones all the
time.
so far....
it all works.
00
L
O
~:~
Marsh
~digs in last years trick-r-treat bag......pulls
out a pack of wax lips......sips his shroom juice.......picks a
booger.....wipes it on the
wax lips and sticks em on the toe of his
boot...........bend over Hairy.....this kiss
is for you~
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Hairy
>
>
> hair...@hotmail.com (Hairy)
>
> Sorry to hear about your dysfunction. I understand that there is
> medication available for that problem.
>
>
> Ummm....you misspelled "kissed".
> H
>
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> Hairy,
>
> trust me......
> i take plenty of medication, and am experimenting with new ones all the
> time.
>
Not at all surprised.
>
> so far....
> it all works.
>
That's questionable.
>
> ~:~
> Marsh
>
bend over Hairy.....this kiss
> is for you~
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No thanks, my bag is still sore from the last time. Now, if you would shave
that stubble off...........
H