The Murderous Lies of Bush, Blair and the Jew Cabal
psy...@here.there
<henri.ber...@nospam-btinternet.com> wrote:
>Just another dirty Arab with a chip on his shoulder.
>Piss off and go and spout your shit elsewhere
>
This is probably the truest statement of them all. Whether or not a
valid reason was used, the son of a bitch needed to go. Bush is just
correcting his father's fuck up. Now, if they'll just take out Sharone
and that asshole Arafat, peace may someday come to Israel and
Palestine...
Malcolm Ferguson
>Why not stop being the newsreader cop? I bet I have been on newsgroups far
>longer than you, and there are no rules here. Why not get yourself cleaned
>out so you are not so anal retentive?
>
>I will post the way I want, and will not be posting further in response to
>your acerbic, captious carping.
>
>
All that typing and nobody to read it. What a waste of your time.
*plonk*
Malcolm Ferguson
>I am a white American, just like those soldiers losing their arms, legs
>eyes and their lives.
>
What, are non-white Americans made of something special?
>I don't think the Jews are worth that.
>
You're a small-minded bigot, but somebody will risk their life for your
freedom. Think about it.
TBR
On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 01:41:21 GMT, "jim" <j...@nospam.com> wrote:
>Dizzy,
>
>Why not stop being the newsreader cop? I bet I have been on newsgroups far
>longer than you, and there are no rules here. Why not get yourself cleaned
>out so you are not so anal retentive?
>
>I will post the way I want, and will not be posting further in response to
>your acerbic, captious carping.
>
>"dizzy" <di...@nospan.com> wrote in message
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>> On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 21:45:30 GMT, "jim" <j...@nospam.com> wrote:
>>
>> >You must be Jehovah's Witness? With a username of Awake and the fact
>that
>> >you are putting your nose in other people's business? Talk about it in
>> >politics or religion, not here...thanks
>>
>> Did you have to quote the entire article for that comment, "Jim"?
>> Just too much work to delete the crap, huh?
>>
>
TBR
On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 01:43:23 GMT, "jim" <j...@nospam.com> wrote:
>Alah is not God. Mohammed was no prophet. Alah is Satan, and Mohammed is
>also.
>
tt
<westsi...@yahoo.USPAMBACKcom> wrote:
>"jim", there are definitely rules in Usenet, including those about snipping,
>especially a 12K post. Please learn about the tools you are trying to use.
>
I HEAR YOU ARE AN EXPERT ON "TOOLS"...
JLeonard
> > to assign truth or falseness. This is an opinion piece, and as such
> > should be regarded like the proverbial asshole.
>
> No, it's NOT an "opinion piece". It is straight news. Period.
It might be considered news to those who think MTV or National Enquirer are
ligitimate news sources. The 1st few paragraphs are 100% opinion and
speculation from a person with a political agenda, who doesn't understand
the meaning of the word 'quagmire' or the nature of war. The main body of
the piece is simply pasted from a supposed article from a source that is not
cited. The piece is full of hearsay and 'facts' from undocumented, uncited,
unverifiable sources. In short, I've seen better 'news' in late night
infomercials.
C.R. Krieger
>
> The death toll for U.S. soldiers is now 318
*That's* a BMW! ^^^^^
> amputees and worse- numbers at over 1500.
That *was* a BMW! ^^^^^^
> our lying scumbag leaders assure us that the quagmire shall continue
That sounds like Chris Bangle!
> The Jews refuse to make peace and continue to steal
I guess that might be some of the New York/New Jersey dealers we hear
about ...
> "At a cabinet meeting in late February 2002,
*That* was a BMW! ^^^^^
> dossier in September 2002
There it is *again*! ^^^^^^
> His diary entry of March 7, 2002,
Either a *third* '02 or my daughter's fifth birthday. Which is it?
Gee; and here I was afraid this was an off-topic post for
alt.autos.bmw.
--
C.R. Krieger
P.S.: I don't often bother to point out *fuckin' morons*, but this
one, and anyone who seriously responded to *it* deserves special
mention.
h
the Armed Forces, and was quite happy to die for, and with Jews in my unit
and in the region.
They are the only true friends of the US in the Mid-East, and they have
proved it time and again.
They are outnumbered buy a factor of 30-1, and still manage to hold their
own. Lets see how you would react to losing children daily from terrorist
attacks?
You are a small-minded bigot, go back to small-town, USA and play with your
little dicky, because a nobody with ignorant opinions like you certainly
couldn't have served in MY army. You are most likely still a virgin, with
nothing better to do than spout your crap. Never mind Bush (who I personally
dislike), the US would be better off with assholes like you thrown out.
ASSHOLE!!!
"Awake" <Anonymous...@See.Comment.Header> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 6 Oct 2003, "h" <h-no...@nospam-btinternet.com> wrote:
> >amen to that,
> >only I don't think he's religious....just another terrorist from the Mid
> >east.
> >Killed any kids recently towel-head?
>
>
> I am a white American, just like those soldiers losing their arms, legs
> eyes and their lives.
>
>
dead,
> and tell them that the Jews are worth their loss.
>
>
>
>
Terry
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> Well..MR White American.....so am I...and, I spent 15 years as a member of
> the Armed Forces, and was quite happy to die for, and with Jews in my unit
> and in the region.
> They are the only true friends of the US in the Mid-East, and they have
> proved it time and again.
> They are outnumbered buy a factor of 30-1, and still manage to hold their
> own. Lets see how you would react to losing children daily from terrorist
> attacks?
What an uninformed idiot to suggest Israel is ALONE! They ARE USA in the
middle-east. Their military flies Apache helicopters, drives American army
tanks, fires American made missles out of American missile launchers, US
machine guns and munitions...
Israel has invaded another nation and are facing opposition. This is
unexpected?
h
and loo at what's really going on.
There is opposition and there is terrorism. I have seen 1st hand the results
of both.
The Arabs don't want peace, they will only be satisfied with the total
destruction of Israel. By the way, for all the small minded assholes out
there, if the Arabs get their way in Israel...and Nigeria.... and
Kashmir..... and Sudan.....and Indonesia, Philippines, etc etc....who will
there be then.....us!
These people create conflict wherever they are in the world, wherever Islam
meets any other religion, there is disaster.
Get a life, and wake up, because if assholes like you don't, it'll be our
children and grandchildren fighting the 'hordes of Islam', instead of our
friends and proxies the Israelis
"Terry" <Terry....@sympaticoNOSPAM.ca> wrote in message
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Terry
> It amazes me that people like you ever got out of puberty, Terry. Grow up
> and loo at what's really going on.
> There is opposition and there is terrorism. I have seen 1st hand the
results
> of both.
> The Arabs don't want peace
If I were in Arab shoes I would not want peace either - NOT UNTIL Israel got
the heck out of Palestine!
It's simpler than Americans want to believe - Israel invaded Palestine, and
there is resistance. If Israel gets out, they will take with them the
reason that most Palestinians fight! There will still be clashes as the
anger and resentment begin to fade, but after a generation it will change
just as America's relationship with Japan changed.
> , they will only be satisfied with the total
> destruction of Israel.
While the destruction of Israel is probably a dream of Palestinians, this
thought would fade quickly if Israel were to get the hell out of Palestine!
Of course Palestinians know they can't destroy Israel, because Israel = USA.
Billions of US dollars are pumped into Israel annually, as are the arms and
munitions (army tanks, apache helicopters, machine guns...). Instead of
investing in war in the middle-east, USA SHOULD be investing in peace! Get
your damn weapons out of the middle-east for starters. Ask the UN to send
in peace-keepers. But we all know that Americans don't want Israel to lose
what they have taken by force.
And because USA doesn't give a care about what the world thinks, they go on
supporting the illegal occupation (invasion) of Palestine. And isn't that
special that you have your own word for an invasion - you call it an
'occupation' as if someone is doing Palestine a favour.
> By the way, for all the small minded assholes out
> there, if the Arabs get their way in Israel...and Nigeria.... and
> Kashmir..... and Sudan.....and Indonesia, Philippines, etc etc....who will
> there be then.....us!
Don't confuse the issue of terrorism with a nation that has been invaded.
Palestine was not invaded by muslims - it was invaded by Israel.
Just keep in mind that history repeats itself. Life travels upwards in
spirals, and only by looking back can you better judge what lay ahead. The
pendulum always swings back. To every action there is an equal and opposite
reaction.
> These people create conflict wherever they are in the world, wherever
Islam
> meets any other religion, there is disaster.
USA invaded Iraq - not the other way around. Israel invaded Palestine (and
could not have done so without USA) - not the other way around. Did you
read somewhere about a Palestinian occupation in Israel? No, you didn't
right? So you got it backwards; Islam is in Palestine, the nation that was
invaded by Israel.
> Get a life, and wake up, because if assholes like you don't, it'll be our
> children and grandchildren fighting the 'hordes of Islam', instead of our
> friends and proxies the Israelis
In Canada we live side by side with Islamic families - and very peacefully.
Follow our example and you will find peace IS possible - but you have to
stop waving your flag and machine guns around!
We gladly welcome Muslims into Canada and don't fear them at all.
Terrorists come in more than one religion and ethnicity. Muslims are not
'out to get us' like some paranoid people think. I judge people as
individuals, and can honestly say that I have found most Muslims I've met to
be very good people.
jim
Him.
> YOU'RE AN ARSEHOLE.
ttt
<h-no...@nospam-btinternet.com> wrote:
>It amazes me that people like you ever got out of puberty, Terry. Grow up
>and loo at what's really going on.
>There is opposition and there is terrorism. I have seen 1st hand the results
>of both.
>The Arabs don't want peace, they will only be satisfied with the total
>destruction of Israel. By the way, for all the small minded assholes out
>there, if the Arabs get their way in Israel...and Nigeria.... and
>Kashmir..... and Sudan.....and Indonesia, Philippines, etc etc....who will
>there be then.....us!
>These people create conflict wherever they are in the world, wherever Islam
>meets any other religion, there is disaster.
>Get a life, and wake up, because if assholes like you don't, it'll be our
>children and grandchildren fighting the 'hordes of Islam', instead of our
>friends and proxies the Israelis
You know what you are? A good GWB american, the perfect idiot, the
epitamy of a mindless robot.
ttt
>One day you will be on your knees in front of Jesus. You WILL bow before
>Him.
>
He may get me on my knees in front of him, but I still won't perform
oral sex on him. Goddam catholicks...
h
There is not, nor has there ever been a 'Palestine'. There was a country
mandated my the UN in 1948 called Israel. The Arabs immediately invaded it.
The Jews fought back and survived. The next couple of occasions, they were
invaded, they actually captured land - the spoils of war.
Based on the premise that Israel invaded a non-existent land called
Palestine, which still does not exist today, (and even if it did, in 1948
the land allocated to the Palestinians was 78% trans-Jordan), the whole of
your argument in uninformed, ignorant specious bullshit.
Maybe we should vacate the US in favour of the Native Americans?
You are simplistic asshole who needs a dose of reality
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h
"ttt" <Too...@als.com.> wrote in message
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h
French-Canadians let lone anyone else.
You are totally deluded if you don't believe that Canada is on their list.
I wonder if you would have felt the same on 9/11 if it had bee your family
killed.
I pity you your innocence and naivety
"Terry" <Terry....@sympaticoNOSPAM.ca> wrote in message
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h
JLeonard
> epitamy of a mindless robot.
guess what, dipshit? At least this idiot can spell 'epitome,' which puts you
somewhere close to 'brain-dead.'
Marvin Margoshes
"Scott" <westsi...@yahoo.USPAMBACKcom> wrote in message
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> "jim" wrote...
> > Dizzy,
> >
> > Why not stop being the newsreader cop? I bet I have been on newsgroups
far
> > longer than you, and there are no rules here. Why not get yourself
cleaned
> > out so you are not so anal retentive?
> >
> > I will post the way I want, and will not be posting further in response
to
> > your acerbic, captious carping.
>
snipping,
> especially a 12K post. Please learn about the tools you are trying to
use.
>Please tell us all who makes these rules, so we can look them up.
Terry
> what planet are you on??
>
> There is not, nor has there ever been a 'Palestine'.
Then tell me why every nation recognizes West Bank as Palestine?
Why does your Customs Tariff class goods exported from West Bank as
originating in Palestine? Why does it have its own country code?
DUH!
> There was a country
> mandated my the UN in 1948
And the UN also passed resolutions calling for Israel to get their butts out
of Palestine - West Bank.
UN Security Council Resolution 50/29 C:
"The Assembly had reaffirmed that the Israeli settlements in the occupied
Palestinian territory and other Arab territories were illegal and an
obstacle to achieving comprehensive peace. Noting with satisfaction the
return of deportees to the occupied Palestinian territory and calling upon
Israel to facilitate the return of the remainder, it had further called upon
Israel to accelerate the release of all Palestinians arbitrarily detained or
imprisoned, and to respect the fundamental freedoms of the Palestinian
people, pending the extension of the self-government arrangements to the
rest of the West Bank."
Here's another excerpt from the UN website:
Fourth Committee - 4 - Press Release GA/SPD/102 21st Meeting (PM) 25
November 1996 "The other recommendations, the Special Committee appeals to
the Government of Israel to stop establishing and expanding settlements. The
ongoing policy of land confiscation and the construction of bypass roads
should be discontinued, and Arabs in East Jerusalem should not be pressured
to sell their houses to members of the Jewish community. The Government
should refrain from the destruction of property, such as the demolition of
houses"
> called Israel. The Arabs immediately invaded it.
> The Jews fought back and survived. The next couple of occasions, they were
> invaded, they actually captured land - the spoils of war.
> Based on the premise that Israel invaded a non-existent land called
> Palestine, which still does not exist today, (and even if it did, in 1948
> the land allocated to the Palestinians was 78% trans-Jordan), the whole of
> your argument in uninformed, ignorant specious bullshit.
> Maybe we should vacate the US in favour of the Native Americans?
> You are simplistic asshole who needs a dose of reality
Maybe you should go to school or read a book idiot!
Terry
> Oh...and by the way, you can't even live peacefully with the
> French-Canadians let lone anyone else.
> You are totally deluded if you don't believe that Canada is on their list.
> I wonder if you would have felt the same on 9/11 if it had bee your family
> killed.
> I pity you your innocence and naivety
And 9/11 has WHAT to do with Israel invading Palestine?
MusicMax
news:blun7s$l35$1...@hercules.btinternet.com:
> Well..MR White American.....so am I...and, I spent 15 years as a
> member of the Armed Forces, and was quite happy to die for, and with
> Jews in my unit and in the region.
> They are the only true friends of the US in the Mid-East, and they
> have proved it time and again.
Time and again? How? Name one instance where Israel has helped the
United States.
Name that instance right here:
_____________________________________________________________
Now balance that instance (if you can in fact even name it) against the
USS Liberty and the Jonathan Pollard case ("the most damaging episode to
US National Security imaginable", according to former Secy. of State
Caspar Weinberger).
> They are outnumbered buy a factor of 30-1, and still manage to hold
> their own.
Thanks to $100,000,000,000.00 in US Tax Money.
> Lets see how you would react to losing children daily from terrorist
> attacks?
Take a look at www.whowillsavethechildren.org
More than FOUR TIMES the number of Palestinian children killed by Israel
than vice-versa.
But don't let facts get in the way of your rabid hatred...
> You are a small-minded bigot, go back to small-town, USA and play with
> your little dicky, because a nobody with ignorant opinions like you
> certainly couldn't have served in MY army. You are most likely still a
> virgin, with nothing better to do than spout your crap. Never mind
> Bush (who I personally dislike), the US would be better off with
> assholes like you thrown out.
As usual, those without facts and the capacity for rational discourse
devolve to ad hominem and name-calling.
> ASSHOLE!!!
At least you have an appropriate .sig
MusicMax
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> "h" <h-no...@nospam-btinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:blun7s$l35$1...@hercules.btinternet.com...
>> Well..MR White American.....so am I...and, I spent 15 years as a
>> member of the Armed Forces, and was quite happy to die for, and with
>> Jews in my unit and in the region.
>> They are the only true friends of the US in the Mid-East, and they
>> have proved it time and again.
>> They are outnumbered buy a factor of 30-1, and still manage to hold
>> their own. Lets see how you would react to losing children daily from
>> terrorist attacks?
>
> What an uninformed idiot to suggest Israel is ALONE! They ARE USA in
> the middle-east. Their military flies Apache helicopters, drives
> American army tanks, fires American made missles out of American
> missile launchers, US machine guns and munitions...
And an Israeli used an American bulldozer to murder Rachel Corrie.
MusicMax
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> what planet are you on??
>
> There is not, nor has there ever been a 'Palestine'.
The word "Palestine" is an evolution of the Biblican "Philistines".
> There was a country
> mandated my the UN in 1948 called Israel.
Yeah, have you ever LOOKED at Partition Plan 184? It calls for an Israel
HALF its current size and a QUARTER of the size of the occupied
territories.
> The next couple of occasions, they were
> invaded,
Wrong. Israel started the Six-Day War in 1967.
> they actually captured land - the spoils of war.
Hmmm...land is the spoils of war? How much of Germany, Japan and Italy
does the United States and Britain occupy?
> the whole of
> your argument in uninformed, ignorant specious bullshit.
> Maybe we should vacate the US in favour of the Native Americans?
> You are simplistic asshole who needs a dose of reality
Once again, those devoid of intellect resort to ad hominem.
MusicMax
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Nothing except the fact that adopting a Jeffersonian foreign policy
("Free trade and neutrality with all nations, entangling alliances with
none") would have prevented 9/11.
MusicMax
>> > You're making a mistake assuming that there are any facts upon
>> > which to assign truth or falseness. This is an opinion piece, and
>> > as such should be regarded like the proverbial asshole.
>>
>> No, it's NOT an "opinion piece". It is straight news. Period.
>
> It might be considered news to those who think MTV or National
> Enquirer are ligitimate news sources.
But apparently not to those who can't spell "legitimate".
> The 1st few paragraphs are 100% opinion and
> speculation from a person with a political agenda, who doesn't
> understand the meaning of the word 'quagmire' or the nature of war.
I was not referring to that part.
> The main body of
> the piece is simply pasted from a supposed article from a source that
> is not cited.
Yes, the cite was there.
> The piece is full of hearsay and 'facts' from undocumented, uncited,
> unverifiable sources.
The former leader of the House of Commons is an "undocumented, uncited,
unverifiable source"?
> In short, I've seen better 'news' in late night
> infomercials.
And while you're watching infomercials late at night the rest of us are
sleeping so we can go to work the next day.
MusicMax
news:tuqgb.2115$Ys.2...@news20.bellglobal.com:
> Awake wrote:
>
>>I am a white American, just like those soldiers losing their arms, legs
>>eyes and their lives.
>>
>
> What, are non-white Americans made of something special?
>
>>I don't think the Jews are worth that.
>>
>
> You're a small-minded bigot, but somebody will risk their life for your
> freedom. Think about it.
Freedom from WHAT? The whole point of the original article is that IRAQ
PRESENTED NO THREAT TO THE UNITED STATES. And since the President and
Congress are only authorized by the Constitution to protect the United
States, all actions in Iraq are unconstitutional.
fred_e...@sbcglobal.spamnet
of other ARAB countries, and now they blame Israel. Its hilarious!
israel could blow them off the planet if they wanted to, so all this talk
of israel being the aggressor, seeking territory, yada yada - is crap.
Same with the US and iraq, if we wanted their oil we would have taken it
in 91. You people are denser than rock.
In <5ZCgb.8864$oO4.5...@news20.bellglobal.com>, on 10/07/03
--
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Fred Emmerich
fred_e...@sbcglobal.net
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MusicMax
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> There is no Palestine. It never was a country.
The United Nations and 99% of the countries of the world beg to differ.
> The people were kicked out
> of other ARAB countries,
Cite?
Didn't think so.
> and now they blame Israel. Its hilarious!
Yeah, it's just a barrel of laughs for the 484 children killed by
Israel:
http://www.whowillsavethechildren.org/remember2000.html
I take it you were cheering as the planes strafed the USS Liberty, too.
> israel could blow them off the planet if they wanted to, so all this
> talk of israel being the aggressor, seeking territory, yada yada - is
> crap.
You obviously don't know the history of the Six Day War.
You obviously have never looked at UN Partition Plan 184.
You obviously have never read United Nations Security Council
resolutions.
> Same with the US and iraq, if we wanted their oil we would have taken
> it in 91. You people are denser than rock.
Ad hominem in place of rational discourse. I sense a pattern here...
Malcolm Ferguson
>Malcolm Ferguson <Malcolm_Ferguson@NO_SPAM_PLEASEyahoo.com> wrote in
>news:tuqgb.2115$Ys.2...@news20.bellglobal.com:
>
>
>>You're a small-minded bigot, but somebody will risk their life for your
>>freedom. Think about it.
>>
>>
>
>Freedom from WHAT? The whole point of the original article is that IRAQ
>PRESENTED NO THREAT TO THE UNITED STATES. And since the President and
>Congress are only authorized by the Constitution to protect the United
>States, all actions in Iraq are unconstitutional.
>
>
You're confusing the soldiers (which the bigot referred to) with the
constitution. Those soldiers out there believe they are fighting for
freedom. Or at least they are being told to believe that. Whether they
are in reality or not is another story, but they are putting their lives
on the line for the freedom of others. From that perspective it's not
difficult to appreciate the job they're doing and support them in it,
but at the same time criticise the administration for their actions and
for taking steps that are contrary to freedom.
Malc
MusicMax
> MusicMax wrote:
>
>>Malcolm Ferguson <Malcolm_Ferguson@NO_SPAM_PLEASEyahoo.com> wrote in
>>news:tuqgb.2115$Ys.2...@news20.bellglobal.com:
>>
>>
>>>You're a small-minded bigot, but somebody will risk their life for your
>>>freedom. Think about it.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Freedom from WHAT? The whole point of the original article is that IRAQ
>>PRESENTED NO THREAT TO THE UNITED STATES. And since the President and
>>Congress are only authorized by the Constitution to protect the United
>>States, all actions in Iraq are unconstitutional.
>>
>>
>
> You're confusing the soldiers (which the bigot referred to) with the
> constitution. Those soldiers out there believe they are fighting for
> freedom.
How do you know this? What percentage of them have you talked to?
> Or at least they are being told to believe that.
Oh, so propaganda is justification for hundreds of deaths?
> Whether they
> are in reality or not is another story,
That's an awfully cavalier attitude to have, but of course you're typing
from the safety of your home before popping a few Bud Sodas during
Cubs/Marlins.
> but they are putting their lives
> on the line for the freedom of others.
The job of the military is to protect AMERICAN LAND AND AMERICAN CITIZENS
IN AMERICA. This operation (and practically every military operation
since WWII) involves NONE OF THE ABOVE.
And the ABSOLUTE BEST THING WE CAN DO for our men & women in uniform is
make sure they are not being exploited for reasons unrelated to their
constitutional charge.
> From that perspective it's not
> difficult to appreciate the job they're doing and support them in it,
> but at the same time criticise the administration for their actions and
> for taking steps that are contrary to freedom.
Again, look to the Constitution. There are REASONS why it says that
Congress may "raise" armies (as opposed to "maintain"ing a Navy) and that
expenditures for such armies may only be for periods of less than two
years: First off, standing armies are antithetical to freedom. Second,
their presence encourages their use even when said use is unwarranted
(quick, tell me how many countries around the world in which US troops are
stationed). Third, the existence of a standing army leads to the GIs
becoming a de facto million-man union, with an increasingly competitive
(and therefore more expensive) compensation package - encouraging
recruitment in these allegedly "peaceful" times (no, Mr. Bush, we are not
at "war" because Congress (read the Constitution, Dubya) hasn't declared
one). So now the military is a jobs program as well.
Gerald G. McGeorge
"C.R. Krieger" <warp2_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Anonymous...@See.Comment.Header (Awake) wrote in message
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> >
> > The death toll for U.S. soldiers is now 318
>
> *That's* a BMW! ^^^^^
>
> > amputees and worse- numbers at over 1500.
>
> That *was* a BMW! ^^^^^^
>
> > our lying scumbag leaders assure us that the quagmire shall continue
>
> That sounds like Chris Bangle!
>
> > The Jews refuse to make peace and continue to steal
>
> I guess that might be some of the New York/New Jersey dealers we hear
> about ...
>
> > "At a cabinet meeting in late February 2002,
>
> *That* was a BMW! ^^^^^
>
> > dossier in September 2002
>
> There it is *again*! ^^^^^^
>
> > His diary entry of March 7, 2002,
>
> Either a *third* '02 or my daughter's fifth birthday. Which is it?
>
> Gee; and here I was afraid this was an off-topic post for
> alt.autos.bmw.
> --
> C.R. Krieger
> P.S.: I don't often bother to point out *fuckin' morons*, but this
> one, and anyone who seriously responded to *it* deserves special
> mention.
h
jews' for it - not the israelies, but 'the jews'.
He is a bigot and thats what i object to.
"MusicMax" <mRuEsMiOcVmEa!x...@carolina.rr.com> wrote in message
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h
You are an ignorant asshole.
My car originates in Bavaria. By your argument, that is a country as well.
Get a life, and a few brain cells you ignoramus.
"Terry" <Terry....@sympaticoNOSPAM.ca> wrote in message
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h
Palestinians are NOT descended from the Philistines.
If you are talking about the spoils of war, lets give back the USA to the
Native Americans, Canada to the Eskimos etc. We are all originally
Europeans...lets go back there - asshole. As for this simplistic, maybe you
just don't have an answer to this?
Israel started one war in 1967. After they were invaded in 48, 56, 73...etc.
it was a preemptive strike - no problem there.
Max, when the day comes...assholes like you will be the 1st ones up against
the wall, with their hands in the air asking 'why me?'
Grow up!!news:Xns940DB6063...@24.25.9.41...
h
You have such a black and white view of life, it is amazing that you ever
learned to write
"Terry" <Terry....@sympaticoNOSPAM.ca> wrote in message
h
In a classroom maybe...the real world doesn't work like that
"MusicMax" <mRuEsMiOcVmEa!x...@carolina.rr.com> wrote in message
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h
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h
Tunisia,
Lebanon,
They are treated as second class citizens in all Arab lands. The Arabs keep
them in refugee camps as political pawns...it suits them.
What about the Israeli children killed by suicide bombers?
5 on Saturday alone - and that was DELIBERATE!!
The Israelis have acted with massive restraint. They could wipe out the
entire problem in 60 seconds if they wish to do so, and have been able to do
so for 30 years.
Max, I suspect that you are nothing other than a Palestinian yourself, -
nobody else could spout such crap as you do, and believe it!
"MusicMax" <mRuEsMiOcVmEa!x...@carolina.rr.com> wrote in message
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h
support for any US operations in the Mid-East. I've been a part of those ops
and have seen it 1st hand.
You are what is commonly known as a PLONK - 'person of little or no
knowledge'.
The only place you can get a platform is here, because your arguments are
just bullshit
"MusicMax" <mRuEsMiOcVmEa!x...@carolina.rr.com> wrote in message
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Scott
> Scott wrote...
> > "jim" wrote...
> > > I will post the way I want, and will not be posting further in response
> > > to your acerbic, captious carping.
> >
> > "jim", there are definitely rules in Usenet, including those about
> > snipping,
> > especially a 12K post. Please learn about the tools you are trying to
> > use.
>
> Please tell us all who makes these rules, so we can look them up.
You're kidding right? news:news.announce.newusers
JLeonard
> But apparently not to those who can't spell "legitimate".
some kook posts on the internet. If you do, you've got larger problems.
>
> > The 1st few paragraphs are 100% opinion and
> > speculation from a person with a political agenda, who doesn't
> > understand the meaning of the word 'quagmire' or the nature of war.
>
> I was not referring to that part.
That's not what you originally said. Try saying what you mean, if you even
know.
> The former leader of the House of Commons is an "undocumented, uncited,
> unverifiable source"?
When the info from him is hearsay and 'facts' not put in writing, verified
by at least one source, absolutely. Why do think and elected official is an
authority on anything. They are likely some former insurance salesman or
trust fund kid who happened to have the $ and leisure to run for office.
> And while you're watching infomercials late at night the rest of us are
> sleeping so we can go to work the next day.
Yeah, I hear Waffle House makes their cooks arrive quite early.
Joe
else who's interested.
If the United States were really interested in stopping terrorism it would
stop being the leading international sponsor of it. The US funds, supplies,
trains, and recruits thousand of terrorist worldwide, mostly through the
CIA. There are countless examples of US sponsored coups that have killed
democratically elected officials in other countries (an excellent example is
the assassination of President Allende in Chile). This is just one example.
If you would like you can research it and find at least a handful more
examples. Of course killing presidents isn't the only game the US is
involved in. During the Reagan administration the US sponsored a truck bomb
attack against a muslim cleric in Lebanon who was critical of the US. The
bomb killed 250 innocent people while the cleric wasn't even in the mosque.
These activities that the US has engaged in are hypocritical to the guise of
"bringing freedome to Iraq." If the US were really interested in freedom
and democracy then we would promote it, rather than squash it whenever we
think it will interfere with geopolitical domininace.
The attacks of 9/11 are no surprise. For years we have sponsored and
trained terrorist worldwide, for the first time the guns have been turned on
us. We sponsored and trained Bin Laden and the Mujadheen throughout the
1980s. We also funded and provided arms to Iraq throughout the 1980s. In
fact Donald Rumsfeld was the CEO of the company that sold Saddam Hussein his
first nuclear reactor. The war on terror and the war against Iraq are all
about geopolitical dominance.
If people are really interested in peace then they can have it. Often it
means taking in that hatred directed at us and giving out our compassion.
We need to have compassion if we are to have peace. Even if our adveraries
hate us with all their hearts, we must be compassionate to them. It is the
only way to open up dialogue, which can lead to peace. War does not lead to
peace, violence only perpetuates more violence, and every religion preaches
this concept. Our hate and violence towards others will only return to us.
However, if we direct peace, compassion, and wisdom towards others, we will
achieve peace.
Thank you for listening,
Joe Braun
Malcolm Ferguson
>Malcolm Ferguson <Malcolm_Ferguson@NO_SPAM_PLEASEyahoo.com> wrote in
>news:VzJgb.3132$Ys.3...@news20.bellglobal.com:
>
>
>
>>MusicMax wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Malcolm Ferguson <Malcolm_Ferguson@NO_SPAM_PLEASEyahoo.com> wrote in
>>>news:tuqgb.2115$Ys.2...@news20.bellglobal.com:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>You're a small-minded bigot, but somebody will risk their life for your
>>>>freedom. Think about it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Freedom from WHAT? The whole point of the original article is that IRAQ
>>>PRESENTED NO THREAT TO THE UNITED STATES. And since the President and
>>>Congress are only authorized by the Constitution to protect the United
>>>States, all actions in Iraq are unconstitutional.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>You're confusing the soldiers (which the bigot referred to) with the
>>constitution. Those soldiers out there believe they are fighting for
>>freedom.
>>
>>
>
>How do you know this? What percentage of them have you talked to?
>
>
>
>>Or at least they are being told to believe that.
>>
>>
>
>Oh, so propaganda is justification for hundreds of deaths?
>
>
I'm a former Air Force sprog. Not American military though. I
understand terrorism: we had to check our car for suspicious packages
any time we wanted to use it. Everywhere we went, we had to go through
checkpoints were the car was checked further. That was the tip of the
iceberg. I think I have a reasonable understanding the situation you're
referring to too - maybe better than you. As for propaganda being
justification for deaths: you're just trying to put words in my mouth.
Of course I don't think that. But you carry on with you one-sided rants
- I don't see this OT thread going anywhere useful.
Malc
Malcolm Ferguson
> How do you know this? What percentage of them have you talked to?
I meant to mention in my other post that dad did a couple of tours in
the Persian Gulf in the 70's as part of field surgical teams. I think
his opinions and perspective are a good basis for my own opinions.
Malc
MusicMax
The checkpoints you speak of are IN OTHER COUNTRIES. YOU were the
invaders.
As far as terrorism: Where is the link between Iraq and 9/11? Al Qaeda?
Didn't think so.
MusicMax
My question did not refer to 30-year-old hearsay. But if that's all
you've got, well...
Malcolm Ferguson
>The checkpoints you speak of are IN OTHER COUNTRIES. YOU were the
>invaders.
>
>
Twaddle. This was in my own country. The terrorists were from another
country. Oh, and those terrorists got most of their funding from the US...
>As far as terrorism: Where is the link between Iraq and 9/11? Al Qaeda?
> Didn't think so.
>
>
Did I even claim there was one? I can't see how I could have because
I've never believed there was one.
You're very presumptuous. Don't forget: "when you assume, you make an
ass out of you and me". Slow down; take a breath; think before you post.
Malc
Terry
> agreed, but the asshole 'awake' did the usual 'nazi thang' and blamed 'the
> jews' for it - not the israelies, but 'the jews'.
> He is a bigot and thats what i object to.
With one more lesson you would be a perfect idiot. Israel was created for
the Jews. Do you see any signs welcoming Muslims with open arms? But you
DO see signs welcoming Jews from around the world. Blaming Israel is
blaming the residents of Israel who are responsible for electing the
government - and this would be who? <--- I'm sure you can guess this one.
Terry
> ask the assholes like Bin Laden who blames the US for Israel's actions.
> You have such a black and white view of life, it is amazing that you ever
> learned to write
Your writing appears to be black & white as well - what's your point?
My point is simple - Americans believe everything they do is without
consequence and that there is no equal reaction to their actions. Americans
simply believe they can defy natural laws, in addition to international
laws.
Terry
"Joe" <joebl...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I would like to point out a few things to the poster called 'h' and anyone
> else who's interested.
>
> If the United States were really interested in stopping terrorism it would
> stop being the leading international sponsor of it.
100% agreement here!
> The US funds, supplies,
> trains, and recruits thousand of terrorist worldwide, mostly through the
> CIA. There are countless examples of US sponsored coups that have killed
> democratically elected officials in other countries (an excellent example
is
> the assassination of President Allende in Chile). This is just one
example.
> If you would like you can research it and find at least a handful more
> examples. Of course killing presidents isn't the only game the US is
> involved in. During the Reagan administration the US sponsored a truck
bomb
> attack against a muslim cleric in Lebanon who was critical of the US. The
> bomb killed 250 innocent people while the cleric wasn't even in the
mosque.
>
> These activities that the US has engaged in are hypocritical to the guise
of
> "bringing freedome to Iraq." If the US were really interested in freedom
> and democracy then we would promote it, rather than squash it whenever we
> think it will interfere with geopolitical domininace.
Agreed. USA cited Iraq was contravening international law and specifically
UN Security Council Resolutions. Well I point out these OTHER UN Security
Council Resolutions that USA simply ignores (proving they are only serving
AMERICAN interests - NOT global interests or interests of democracy):
---
UN Security Council Resolution 50/29 C:
"The Assembly had reaffirmed that the Israeli settlements in the occupied
Palestinian territory and other Arab territories were illegal and an
obstacle to achieving comprehensive peace. Noting with satisfaction the
return of deportees to the occupied Palestinian territory and calling upon
Israel to facilitate the return of the remainder, it had further called upon
Israel to accelerate the release of all Palestinians arbitrarily detained or
imprisoned, and to respect the fundamental freedoms of the Palestinian
people, pending the extension of the self-government arrangements to the
rest of the West Bank."
Here's another excerpt from the UN website:
Fourth Committee - 4 - Press Release GA/SPD/102 21st Meeting (PM) 25
November 1996 "The other recommendations, the Special Committee appeals to
the Government of Israel to stop establishing and expanding settlements. The
ongoing policy of land confiscation and the construction of bypass roads
should be discontinued, and Arabs in East Jerusalem should not be pressured
to sell their houses to members of the Jewish community. The Government
should refrain from the destruction of property, such as the demolition of
houses"
---
>
> The attacks of 9/11 are no surprise. For years we have sponsored and
> trained terrorist worldwide, for the first time the guns have been turned
on
> us.
No surprise, but still a horrific action taken by the terrorists. As
Confucious say, "Life travels upwards in spirals - and only by looking back
can we better judge what lay ahead". IOW, this has happened before where
one group or had not only retaliated, but has done so with extreme prejudice
and malice far beyond what was necessary to get it's point across. That bomb
dropped in Japan could have easily been dropped in the ocean near Japan and
accomplished the same thing - the end of the war. But USA wanted to make a
statement - that they are capable.
>We sponsored and trained Bin Laden and the Mujadheen throughout the
> 1980s. We also funded and provided arms to Iraq throughout the 1980s. In
> fact Donald Rumsfeld was the CEO of the company that sold Saddam Hussein
his
> first nuclear reactor. The war on terror and the war against Iraq are all
> about geopolitical dominance.
This is a point that is likely wasted here, as nobody looks beyone 9/11 so t
he fact that USA had official relations with Saddam Hussein and Bin Laden
are...well forgotten.
>
> If people are really interested in peace then they can have it. Often it
> means taking in that hatred directed at us and giving out our compassion.
> We need to have compassion if we are to have peace. Even if our
adveraries
> hate us with all their hearts, we must be compassionate to them. It is
the
> only way to open up dialogue, which can lead to peace. War does not lead
to
> peace, violence only perpetuates more violence, and every religion
preaches
> this concept. Our hate and violence towards others will only return to
us.
> However, if we direct peace, compassion, and wisdom towards others, we
will
> achieve peace.
All very true. But whereas the world agrees, Americans see this as an
attack in itself, against USA.
The arrogance has to leave Americans' hearts. Compassion has to take its
place.
Terry
Stupidity. Plonk!
Huw
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> Not to disagree with your thought (not most of it anyway), but
it has
> nothing to do with Country western music, Mercedes autos, BMW's,
Volvo's or
> running.
>
Unless Bush and Blair own these cars and listen to Country music on
their way to worship.
Huw
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h
that you don't like Jews.
Israel allows the Arabs the vote.that's why there are Arab members of
parliament.
Not all Jew agree with the Israeli perspective, in the same way that not all
white people are bigots....but then you go and disprove the point.
Face it, you are a Jew-hater. Not in one of your posts do you use the word
'Arab' instead of 'Palestinian's, yet you seem to feel it is ok to use the
word 'Jew but not 'Israeli's.
Israel is the only democracy in the mid east that allows the vote to ALL
citizens, male, female, Arab, Jew,and Christian
You are a very ignorant man, You really should learn the reality of the
situation by going out there rather than being an armchair asshole.
My comments come from a 1st hand perspective of being posted out there, and
seeing what a pressure cooker the Israelis live in.
They were so grateful for our help, because that they have no doubt that the
stated aim of the Palestinians to 'push them into the sea' is a real desire
and ambition.
People like you have no experience of real life, but you spew out invidious
and skewed statements that only perpetuate bullshit.
Face it Terry, you are a bigot and a racist
"Terry" <Terry....@sympaticoNOSPAM.ca> wrote in message
Joe
broadcast is another subject.
Thanks for the kind words. The two UN violations you site are but a
fraction of the hundreds of treaties and mandates our leaders ignore.
Joe
"Terry" <Terry....@sympaticoNOSPAM.ca> wrote in message
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Gerald G. McGeorge
slavery 25 million Iraqi's suffered under the murderous heel of Saddam
Hussein. They want us to ignore the thousands of Iraqis, Iranians & Kuwaitis
he killed. They want us to ignore mass murderers like the Taliban & other
"noble freedom fighters" like the Castros & the Sandanistas and other thugs
because the bloody, bestial truth doesn't fit into their pacifist "citizens
of the world" framework of Socialist dogma & fancy.
You IDIOT, how many mass graves must be exhumed? How many incredible acts of
barbarism would it have taken for you leftist, pacifist morons to realize
that NO ONE was ever going to free these people from this madman if America,
Britain and their allies didn't act.
Who gives a shit about the UN, or the WMDs or any of the rest of your you
hallucinatory spewing called the "lies of Bush"? Where were your gallant
champions of human rights when Hussein gassed his own, when Milosevic's
thugs killed en masse, when the Rwandan's begged for help and got none?
That's right, shithead, at your precious UN doing nothing! Ask a Rwandan
who's family was slaughtered while the UN troops ran away, ask them how much
help they got from the Europeans, the UN, or even Clinton's leftist America.
Get a life, you idiot!
"Joe" <joebl...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Gerald G. McGeorge
certain group of enlightened Europeans herded them first into Ghettos, then
onto box cars, and then into ovens. That they defend themselves so
teaciously now is testament to their lack of faith in anyone ever coming to
their aid.
<h-no...@nospam-btinternet.com> wrote in message
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h
they are to be admired and supported, not dragged-down by a simple-minded
bigot.
"Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcg...@frontier.net> wrote in message
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MusicMax
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> agreed, but the asshole 'awake' did the usual 'nazi thang' and blamed
> 'the jews' for it - not the israelies, but 'the jews'.
There are times when the two are essentially interchangeable (for
example, when discussing Israel's prohibition on Jew-Gentile weddings),
and times when they are not (when dealing with political and foreign
aid/policy issues).
MusicMax
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> ye...ok.
> In a classroom maybe...the real world doesn't work like that
As founder of UVa and third President of the United States, Jefferson knew
of both.
MusicMax
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> Being the only outpost of democracy in a region of dictators.
A recent report commissioned by Israel's own government found a systematic
pattern of discrimination by the government against Arabs. Of course,
outlawing Jew-Gentile marriages isn't characteristic of an "outpost of
democracy" either.
> Lending
> support for any US operations in the Mid-East.
By attacking the USS Liberty? By engaging in "the most damaging episode
to US National Security imaginable"?
There ARE no "US operations in the MidEast" for Israel to support - only
ISRAELI operations that the US supports.
MusicMax
> The real lie here is that people like this want us to ignore the
> decades of slavery 25 million Iraqi's suffered under the murderous
> heel of Saddam Hussein. They want us to ignore the thousands of
> Iraqis, Iranians & Kuwaitis he killed. They want us to ignore mass
> murderers like the Taliban & other "noble freedom fighters" like the
> Castros & the Sandanistas and other thugs because the bloody, bestial
> truth doesn't fit into their pacifist "citizens of the world"
> framework of Socialist dogma & fancy.
First off, I'm a Libertarian, the opposite of a Socialist (Socialists
promote things like taxpayer-funded prescription drugs).
None of the situations you mention have ONE SINGLE THING to do with the
United States (except of course that your tax dollars at one time or
another funded most of them). The list of countries that Congress is
authorized to defend in the Constitution begins and ends with THE UNITED
STATES.
> You IDIOT, how many mass graves must be exhumed? How many incredible
> acts of barbarism would it have taken for you leftist, pacifist morons
> to realize that NO ONE was ever going to free these people from this
> madman if America, Britain and their allies didn't act.
If your position had any credence, we'd have gone after Stalin and Mao.
Of course, those would have been wars of equals, rather than the insane
dick-measuring contests conducted by the likes of LBJ, Reagan, Bush
pere, Clinton and Bush fils.
> Who gives a shit about the UN, or the WMDs or any of the rest of your
> you hallucinatory spewing called the "lies of Bush"?
The Iraq campaign has not had no relevance to "providing for the common
defense of the United States". And America's post-9/11 actions have
killed more civilians than 9/11 itself. As Kevin Bacon said, these are
the facts, and they are not in dispute.
> Where were your gallant
> champions of human rights when Hussein gassed his own,
Reading the Constitution.
> when Milosevic's
> thugs killed en masse,
Reading the Constitution.
> when the Rwandan's begged for help and got none?
Reading the Constitution.
> That's right, shithead, at your precious UN doing nothing! Ask a
> Rwandan who's family was slaughtered while the UN troops ran away, ask
> them how much help they got from the Europeans, the UN, or even
> Clinton's leftist America.
Clinton was too busy supervising the killing of Americans in Somalia,
Kosovo, Waco, Bosnia, etc. etc. etc.
> Get a life, you idiot!
As usual, far too high a ratio of ad hominem to thought.
p
l
o
n
k
Joe
>
> Who gives a shit about the UN, or the WMDs or any of the rest of your you
> hallucinatory spewing called the "lies of Bush"? Where were your gallant
> champions of human rights when Hussein gassed his own, when Milosevic's
> thugs killed en masse, when the Rwandan's begged for help and got none?
> That's right, shithead, at your precious UN doing nothing! Ask a Rwandan
> who's family was slaughtered while the UN troops ran away, ask them how
much
> help they got from the Europeans, the UN, or even Clinton's leftist
America.
>
> Get a life, you idiot!
>
Actually when Hussein gassed the Kurds we voted down a UN resolution that
would have condemned the act. The US did not see it fit to call the acts
crimes against humanity. In fact most of the mass graves that Saddam was
responsible for were made while we were sponsoring him with weapons and
funding. How do you answer to these truths? How can you say that I am
ignoring the deaths of Iraqis when the US is responsible for keeping the
dictator in power. I don't agree with Saddam Hussein's policy, but I also
don't agree with the US's.
I don't know how you can ignore the past actions of the US. Why was it okay
for us to sponsor Iraq and Saddam Hussein in the 1980s, but now it is time
to remove him? How about the CIA sponsored coups in Guatemala, Haiti,
Nicaragua, Chile, and the rest of the South American countries that have
left those nations in the hands of dictators and brutal tyrants. Tell me
what justifies our actions there? I still have yet to hear a good answer to
that question.
Joe Braun
Joe
I think the United States can promote world peace by recalling all its
troops worldwide, place them on our borders, and cut defense spending by
100s of billions of dollars.
Peace,
Joe Braun
"MusicMax" <mRuEsMiOcVmEa!x...@carolina.rr.com> wrote in message
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Besides the point, Israel is out of the bounds recognized by
Arabs.
> There was a country
> mandated my the UN in 1948 called Israel.
What if the UN mandated an independent Hispanic nation
in California? Would we heed this mandate? Truman was saved
in an election by $2 million by a Jewish donor, guess what the favour
was in return?
> The Arabs immediately invaded it.
> The Jews fought back and survived.
> The next couple of occasions, they were invaded,
Israel was set up by European Jews, who supposedly had ancestors
living in Israel 2000 years ago. So after 2000 years away it is alright
for them to come back and kick out the current occupants? Those
Californians should shut up about all the Hispanics coming to California,
they are reclaiming land that was their only 150 years ago, no matter how
it became American.
Jews are Semites, like Arabs, you couldn't thell them apart, and Israel was
NOT set up in '48 by the Jews that were already living there but by Jews
from Europe. So Jews in Europe suffered, why should the Arabs in Palestine
pay for this suffering? Why is it so hard to understand why Arabs can't stand
Israel? At least they agree to the origininal boundaries.
I was in a store run by what looked like Arabs, but they were speaking Hebrew,
and I asked them if they were Jews. They were surprised that I recognized the language
and asked me how I recognized it. I told them I have Jewish friends, many of whom are
Russian Jews who lived in Israel and thus learned Hebrew. But I said I realized that THEY
ARE NOT REAL JEWS! And he was very surprised by my answer, saying he'd never met
anyone in Canada, save other REAL SEMITIC Israeli Jews who realized the difference, that
REAL Jews are SEMITES.
> they actually captured land - the spoils of war.
If that is alright for Israel, why was that not OK for Germany in WWII?
> You are simplistic asshole who needs a dose of reality
<IGNORE>
Terry
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> Indeed, and Terry might also recall that the Jews founded Israel after a
> certain group of enlightened Europeans herded them first into Ghettos,
then
> onto box cars, and then into ovens. That they defend themselves so
> teaciously now is testament to their lack of faith in anyone ever coming
to
> their aid.
Oh, so it was Hitler that made Israelites take away Palestinian land,
bulldoze their homes and herd the Palestinians into camps.
MusicMax
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The world community liberated the concentration camps and created a
Jewish state within three years of the end of WWII. In contrast, Israel
has engaged in military occupation for THIRTY SIX YEARS.
Gerald G. McGeorge
inept, duplicitous Arab leaders, who then abandoned them. They refused to
join in the formation of a NATION, where simply a TERRITORY once existed.
There has never been a NATION called Palestine, it was always an occupied
territory of one Arab or Turk power. No NATION of Palestine was invaded, nor
were any SOVEREIGN lands TAKEN...simply stated the poor dumb bastards packed
up and LEFT because their so-called leaders assured them they'd soon
slaughter all the Jews. Looks like they were wrong.
Anyone who defends a barbarous bunch of ignorant Arab morons who send their
own children off to kill themselves and bus loads of innocent men, women and
children ought to think deeply as to what caused them to become so
depravity of thought.
"Terry" <Terry....@sympaticoNOSPAM.ca> wrote in message
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Gerald G. McGeorge
> would have condemned the act. The US did not see it fit to call the acts
> crimes against humanity. <
Bullshit, the US LED the UN in condemning Husseins actions.
>In fact most of the mass graves that Saddam was
> responsible for were made while we were sponsoring him with weapons and
funding.<
You moron, the Soviets and the French provided ALL of his weapons!
> How do you answer to these truths? <
Because they're typical leftist LIES!!!!!
> How can you say that I am ignoring the deaths of Iraqis when the US is
responsible for keeping the dictator in power. <
Are you just a brain-dead ignorant fool? The Arabs and his buddies the
French & Russians funded the killer and proped him up repeatedly, ignored
and appolgized repeatedly for his refusal to comply with UN resolutions.
> I don't agree with Saddam Hussein's policy, ....
"Policy????? POLICY???? Killing his own people was a POLICY??? What kind of
ignorant moron are you?
Boy, Lenin would have loved to have YOU on his side!!!!!
> I don't know how you can ignore the past actions of the US. Why was it
okay for us to sponsor Iraq and Saddam Hussein in the 1980s, but now it is
time to remove him? <
Who gives flying f%ck about the 80's??? YES, it's time for the murdering
scum pile of crap to be DEAD!!!!! Dead before he has a chance to kill YOU
AND YOUR FAMILY in the name of some stupid Jihad!
> How about the CIA sponsored coups in Guatemala, Haiti, Nicaragua, Chile,
and the rest of the South American countries that have left those nations in
the hands of dictators and brutal tyrants. <
How about the minute the Nicaraguans had a chance to vote they threw your
leftist Sandanista heroes out on their Commie ASSES! Even Jimmy Carter
monitored the and certified the election. Bt, I gues in your anti-American
world those poor Nicarguans were too ignorant to understand what they were
voting for, huh, just like the dumb asses in Floroda couldn't understand a
ballot.
> Tell me what justifies our actions there? I still have yet to hear a good
answer to that question. <
How about giving 25 million Iraqis a CHANCE at the same freedom that allows
you to spew this leftist nonsense without risk!
Bill Ditmire
>has engaged in military occupation for THIRTY SIX YEARS.
A brief history lesson: Israel seized the "occuppied territories" after being
attacked by all its Arab neighbors. They have kept the lands under occupation
for the sole purpose of security.
If you try to rob your local Korean grocer, please DO NOT be surprised if he
drives you out of his store and keeps your gun and ski mask.
The second time you try to rob him and his family, pr if you are as persistent
as the Arabs, the third or fourth time, DO NOT be surprised if his response
gets even uglier each time.
Bill Ditmire
Gerald G. McGeorge
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h
Most religions try to keep within their own faiths. It is nothing other than
trying to preserve their historic ties and birthright.
Each time that you post, the level of your ignorance rises
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"MusicMax" <mRuEsMiOcVmEa!x...@carolina.rr.com> wrote in message
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> >has engaged in military occupation for THIRTY SIX YEARS.
>
> A brief history lesson: Israel seized the "occuppied territories" after
being
> attacked by all its Arab neighbors. They have kept the lands under
occupation
> for the sole purpose of security.
>
> If you try to rob your local Korean grocer, please DO NOT be surprised if
he
> drives you out of his store and keeps your gun and ski mask.
homes and built settlements over top.
Don't be surprised if a grocer bulldozes a robber's home if the community
get's really, really pissed at the grocer and kicks his ass!
>
> The second time you try to rob him and his family, pr if you are as
persistent
> as the Arabs, the third or fourth time, DO NOT be surprised if his
response
> gets even uglier each time.
>
> Bill Ditmire
Ugly is one thing, but bulldozing innocent victims' homes and stealing their
land AND other Palestinian homes is beyond reason.
Terry
> Bravo, Bill!
>
> "Bill Ditmire" <wren...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> > > In contrast, Israel
> > >has engaged in military occupation for THIRTY SIX YEARS.
> >
> > A brief history lesson: Israel seized the "occuppied territories" after
> being
> > attacked by all its Arab neighbors. They have kept the lands under
> occupation
> > for the sole purpose of security.
Is it logical to built satellite communities and intersperse them in enemy
territory? Because I'm missing the logic here - it sounds pretty idiotic to
expect MORE security by placing civilians into enemy territory. It seems
even more ludicrus to bulldoze their homes then build over top - essentially
stirring up a hornets nest, and not expecting retaliation.
You guys must take a lot of stupid pills to find that logical.
> >
> > If you try to rob your local Korean grocer, please DO NOT be surprised
if
> he
> > drives you out of his store and keeps your gun and ski mask.
Hmmm, but what if he follows you home, then brings a bulldozer and flattens
your home, then the home of all your neighbours and places them into
concentration camps (or whatever they call them now), and builds a new house
on your land?
> >
> > The second time you try to rob him and his family, pr if you are as
> persistent
> > as the Arabs, the third or fourth time, DO NOT be surprised if his
> response
> > gets even uglier each time.
> >
> > Bill Ditmire
We have laws to prevent idiots from taking over. Unfortunately these laws
are not enforced and we end up with UN Security Council Resolutions that are
simply ignored. USA is the worst in this regard, as they 'use' resolutions
to wage war, yet ignore others that try to prevent war.
Like using the resolution to wage war with Iraq, while ignoring this
resolution:
UN Security Council Resolution 50/29 C:
"The Assembly had reaffirmed that the Israeli settlements in the occupied
Palestinian territory and other Arab territories were illegal and an
obstacle to achieving comprehensive peace. Noting with satisfaction the
return of deportees to the occupied Palestinian territory and calling upon
Israel to facilitate the return of the remainder, it had further called upon
Israel to accelerate the release of all Palestinians arbitrarily detained or
imprisoned, and to respect the fundamental freedoms of the Palestinian
people, pending the extension of the self-government arrangements to the
rest of the West Bank."
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You just go ahead and continue spreading your lies - anyone outside USA will
want to hear the whole truth, not just the truth Bush Administration tells
us to believe.
Joe
> > Actually when Hussein gassed the Kurds we voted down a UN resolution
that
> > would have condemned the act. The US did not see it fit to call the
acts
> > crimes against humanity. <
>
>
> Bullshit, the US LED the UN in condemning Husseins actions.
>
Go look at the records. I challenge you to do that. I am not making this
up. George Bush Sr did not want the US to condemn the actions. Go look in
back issues of the journal Foreign Affairs. The matter didn't receive much
mainstream press but it is on public record.
>
> You moron, the Soviets and the French provided ALL of his weapons!
>
Actually we supplied Iraq with weapons during the Iran-Iraq conflict. Again
its on public record. This was more reported in the mainstream press. When
a country sends "military aid" to countries it is in the form of money to
buy weapons, weapons, or both. Donald Rumsfeld's company supplied the
nuclear reactor that Saddam was using. Several other US companies supplied
biological agents for biowarfare.
Unless you are willing to cut through the lies in the air and look at the
truth then you will be ignorant. I feel great empathy for you, we have all
been ignorant at some point in our lives. Go and get a subscription to
Foreign Affairs, look through the old Wall Street Journals, all of this
information that you say is lies is in the press and on public record.
This war has nothing to do with freedom. Its about US dominance in
geopolitical strategy.
Ask yourself a question as a human being. Is it okay to kill anyone? If it
is not, how do we justify killing people in other countries. There are
other ways to solve our disputes without war or violence.
Peace my friend,
Joe
fred_e...@sbcglobal.spamnet
things... Congress and the President can enter in treaties and agreements,
which includes helping other countries in time of war.
And your argument of where were we when Stalin et al was a factor? Not
relevent. And using it as a counter point to going after other evils is a
moronic position. Its like bashing the police when they capture a criminal
for the ones they missed.
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at 02:03 AM, MusicMax <mRuEsMiOcVmEa!x...@carolina.rr.com> said:
>None of the situations you mention have ONE SINGLE THING to do with the
>United States (except of course that your tax dollars at one time or
>another funded most of them). The list of countries that Congress is
>authorized to defend in the Constitution begins and ends with THE UNITED
>STATES.
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MusicMax
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>> In contrast, Israel
>>has engaged in military occupation for THIRTY SIX YEARS.
>
> A brief history lesson: Israel seized the "occuppied territories"
> after being attacked by all its Arab neighbors.
Wrong. Israel started the Six Day War. This is NOT in dispute.
> They have kept the lands under occupation
> for the sole purpose of security.
So if terrorist attacks continue, it's obvious that that strategy is not
a successful one.
> If you try to rob your local Korean grocer, please DO NOT be surprised
> if he drives you out of his store and keeps your gun and ski mask.
>
> The second time you try to rob him and his family, pr if you are as
> persistent as the Arabs, the third or fourth time, DO NOT be surprised
> if his response gets even uglier each time.
What if my Korean grocer keeps me under oppressive military occupation
for thirty-six years? What if more than half my neighbors have NEVER
LIVED A SINGLE DAY WITHOUT BEING UNDER said occupation?
Awake
>Being the only outpost of democracy in a region of dictators. Lending
>support for any US operations in the Mid-East. I've been a part of those ops
>and have seen it 1st hand.
>You are what is commonly known as a PLONK - 'person of little or no
>knowledge'.
>The only place you can get a platform is here, because your arguments are
>just bullshit
Why don't you answer the question that was put to you?
When have the Israeli's helped America?
When they sunk the U.S.S. Liberty in 1967 and murdered 34 American sailors and injured
172 more?
Was it when Israel used American Marines in Lebanon to settle down the anger at the
butchery of the Jews there and 241 Marines were blown to pieces?
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>> "h" <h-no...@nospam-btinternet.com> wrote in
>> > They are the only true friends of the US in the Mid-East, and they
>> > have proved it time and again.
>>
>> Time and again? How? Name one instance where Israel has helped the
>> United States.
>>
>> Name that instance right here:
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be worth arguing. But bearing in mind his hatred of a religious group as a
whole, as opposed to a nation state, his opinions are worth less than the
shit on my boot. He is a prejudiced bigot, and as such cannot construct an
argument untainted by racism.
Get put your jackboots and give us a 'sieg heil' on the way out you wanker.
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massed troops & armor on the Israeli borders, and Egypt blockaded the
southern Israeli port of Elath. Israel then took decisive, pre-emptive
action and crushed their potential invaders before they could attack. Had
the Arabs succeeded in gaining a foothold in Israel there is no doubt they
would have massacred the population.
As for their great love of their Palestinian brethren, Lebanon, Jordan,
Egypt and Syria have all expelled them from their countries at one time or
another. Despite the obscene per-capita wealth of much of the Arab world,
they've done virtually noting to aid the Palestinians, save equipping them
with weapons and encouraging them to strap bombs onto their children.
In short, the Arabs behave in a bestial and barbaric fashion. The leaders of
the Arab world are by and large a bunch of murderous dictators and
parasites, and people like you who are apologists for them and their
terrorist puppets are a disgrace. When one of them senselessly blows you to
pieces with a pipe bomb, or disembowels you with a box-cutter and feeds your
guts to a pack of dogs, let's see where your sentiments lie then. Fool!
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h (the other one)
MusicMax
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> I guess reading and understanding the Constitution are two different
> things... Congress and the President can enter in treaties and
> agreements, which includes helping other countries in time of war.
>
> And your argument of where were we when Stalin et al was a factor?
> Not relevent.
Wrong. If the justification for going after Saddam is "he's evil", then
turning the other cheek to other evils such as Stalin and Mao is
absolutely relevant. And when one compares Saddam with the others -
both in numbers of deaths and longevity - he comes up short. So we have
turned a blind eye to GREATER evils.
Gerald G. McGeorge
Western Europe and eventually led to the dismantlement of the Soviet empire
and the opening of China meant nothing, huh?
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> Although totally unprovoked, in summer 1967 all neighboring Arab
> States massed troops & armor on the Israeli borders, and Egypt
> blockaded the southern Israeli port of Elath. Israel then took
> decisive, pre-emptive action and crushed their potential invaders
> before they could attack. Had the Arabs succeeded in gaining a
> foothold in Israel there is no doubt they would have massacred the
> population.
A circumlocucious way of saying "Israel started the Six Day War".
> Despite the obscene per-capita wealth of much of the Arab world,
What the hell are you smoking?
> they've done virtually noting to aid the Palestinians, save equipping
> them with weapons and encouraging them to strap bombs onto their
> children.
How many of those children have lived ONE SINGLE DAY without being under
oppressive Israeli military occupation?
Answer right here: ____
> In short, the Arabs behave in a bestial and barbaric fashion. The
> leaders of the Arab world are by and large a bunch of murderous
> dictators and parasites, and people like you who are apologists for
> them and their terrorist puppets are a disgrace. When one of them
> senselessly blows you to pieces with a pipe bomb, or disembowels you
> with a box-cutter and feeds your guts to a pack of dogs, let's see
> where your sentiments lie then. Fool!
Perhaps a record for irrational ad hominems in a single paragraph.
Come back after wiping the foam from your mouth.
Gerald G. McGeorge
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Little Or No Knowledge.
He has managed to plagiarise this as he does the rest of the leftist
propaganda that spews out of him
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it was true, you are advocating we clean up the whole world, or do nothing
at all. It is not an all-or-nothing proposition, and the time period in
which these conflicts (or non-conflicts) takes place is very important.
Your last sentence would be more meaningful if Stalin existed at the same
point in time as Saddam.
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Bill Ditmire
>Western Europe and eventually led to the dismantlement of the Soviet empire
>and the opening of China meant nothing, huh?
The position of the West from at least the 1940's was that the USSR would
collapse of its own intrinsic failures, primarily of failing to reward and
encourage individual initiative. I believe that is exactly what happened.
From all we now know, thanks to the soul of the soviet state now being laid
bare, the "Cold War" was the largest and most expensive misunderstanding in
history- we believing they were prepared to force communism on free states, and
them believing that we would attack the USSR at the first opportunity.
Bill Ditmire
Ditmire Motorworks,Inc.
425 White Horse Pike
Absecon,NJ 08201
http://www.ditmire.com
609-641-3392
MusicMax
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> You last sentence is true, but has no bearing on going after Saddam.
> If it was true, you are advocating we clean up the whole world, or do
> nothing at all. It is not an all-or-nothing proposition,
It is if you are acting out of principles and morals rather than
political expediency.
> and the time period in
> which these conflicts (or non-conflicts) takes place is very
> important.
The Constitution has not been modified to permit them, so this statement
is a non-sequitar.
> Your last sentence would be more meaningful if Stalin existed at the
> same point in time as Saddam.
If timing is relevant then why was there no action by Reagan or Bush 41
regarding Halabja, which occurred in 1988?
Gerald G. McGeorge
reported in the early '90's, that the Soviets had extensive, first strike
plans in place. They were simply waiting for the right political situation
to unfold in Western Europe. These included massive tactical nuke hits on
all NATO bases in the former West Germany and the UK, followed by a massive
armored spearhead through the Fulda Gap and on to Antwerp and the French
ports. Made for chilling reading.
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military industrial complex.
I have three questions for you that I would like your answer on Gerald.
1. Do you think that killing people is moral or right?
2. Do you think that peace is attainable?
3. In you opinion what would it take for there to be world peace?
As a corollary to my last question, when world peace was achieved would
we still have armies and weapons? Or would we put that all behind us?
Thank you,
Joe Braun
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them is because they hate the Palestinians and other Arabs as much as you
do.
Joe
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the Israelites.
Why can't they both live there? Each time you resort to violence your enemy
will escalate it one more step. It is self perpetuating unless someone
breaks the cycle. Both the Palestinians and Israelis have tried to break
the cycle on occasion, but they have not been willing to give up violence.
That is the key. You have to be willing to completely give up the idea of
retaliation if you are to achieve peace. There is no other way. Period.
Ghandi, MLK Jr, and the Dalai Llama all know that, and there persistence in
using non-violent, passive aggressive tactics have always prevailed. It has
usually taken longer and been harder to do, but it has avoided far more
blood shed.
Joe
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> > In contrast, Israel
> >has engaged in military occupation for THIRTY SIX YEARS.
>
> A brief history lesson: Israel seized the "occuppied territories" after
being
> attacked by all its Arab neighbors. They have kept the lands under
occupation
> for the sole purpose of security.
>
> If you try to rob your local Korean grocer, please DO NOT be surprised if
he
> drives you out of his store and keeps your gun and ski mask.
>
> The second time you try to rob him and his family, pr if you are as
persistent
> as the Arabs, the third or fourth time, DO NOT be surprised if his
response
> gets even uglier each time.
>
> Bill Ditmire
>
>
Joe
> they've done virtually noting to aid the Palestinians, save equipping them
>
This statistic is deceiving ladies and gentlemen. If you have a few hundred
people out of the population of Arab countries who have obscene income and
assets it will offset the per-capita income. What is a more revealing
statistic is the percentage of people with high incomes, not the average per
capita income. I would be willing to wager that most of the population has
fairly meager to adequete resources.
If you are going to use statistics please use correct ones and understand
what you are saying. It is an insult to everyone's intelligence to just use
statistics without understanding them.
Joe