Rate your Mercedes dealer
WRENCH99
Finding "Jaguar" on the list tells me more about the quality of the JD Powers
organization than it does about Jaguars. I KNOW about Jaguars- I work on them!
Bill Ditmire
www.ditmire.com
WRENCH99
The advertising line "we fixed all that" has served Jaguar well since it was
first used in the early 1980's.
I believe it will continue to serve them well into the next century. Jaguar
offers the most room for improvement of any car this side of Hyundai.
I always wondered how the people who bought last year's Jaguar feel about the
ads. After all, THEIR car wasn't advertised as the piece of shit next years ads
will claim it was!
Bill Ditmire
www.ditmire.com
Jerry
Your comment assures us you DON'T work on the late (post '95) Jaguars.
These people are for real, get over it.
Jerry
Further comments which certify the poster as biased and uninformed.
WRENCH99
Yes, I do work on Jags up to the present. Do you?
My first car was a '57 Jag sedan. I've owned many since. Jaguar's problems
aren't simply "fit and finish" slipups. They are poorly engineered, and
assemnbled out of defective parts by unmotivated workers.
Bill Ditmire
www.ditmire.com
WRENCH99
Jerry
I repeat, you are uninformed. We drive Jags every day and we've torn
them down to the bone. Their current V8 powertrain is as good or better
than anything on the market. If you pay attention you'll see that late
model Jags do not have fit & finish problems and are comprised of world
class components derived via Ford's purchasing power.
If you think their workers are unmotivated then you're sadly mistaken,
they have one of the most energetic management/labor teams in the world
and presently have the best quality ratings of ANY Ford product or
plant. I agree, older Jags weren't very good cars. New ones are
something else again.
We have four Jags in Company service right now, none have required
anything more than maintenence and they're driven hard. (The waiting
list to take the supercharged V8 XJR home is about a month, everyone
wants to drive it. It'll take your breath away.)
For those who haven't paid attention, Ford's initial 2.5 billion outlay
to buy the Company was followed up by another 3 billion in
infrastructure, including an all-new assembly process, paint process and
engine plant. They shed crap suppliers like Lucas and Adwest and
substituted NipponDenso electronics & climate control (Lexus' supplier,
BTW), ZF steering components (MB & BMW supplier), etc. FWIW, the XJR
uses a Mercedes gearbox.
I work for an MB & Jag competitor. We're not taking these people lightly
and neither should anyone else.
Jerry
In case you've missed the mid-nineties, Wrench, Jaguar is selling
everything it can roll off the boat and has since '94. As for zealots,
we all hope our Company can achieve the brand loyalty and general
desirability of Jaguar that is expressed in every focus group of
potential buyers we conduct. Jaguar is slowly shedding it's
unreliability image and Ford fully intends to see this brand challenge
us and everyone else for market leadership. Their styling and cache,
combined with quality will be very hard to beat.
(That thump you just felt was an XJR running over you.....)
Richard J. Sexton
In article <6m9phf$5...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>,
Jerry <g.mcg...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>WRENCH99 wrote:
>In case you've missed the mid-nineties, Wrench, Jaguar is selling
>everything it can roll off the boat and has since '94. As for zealots,
>we all hope our Company can achieve the brand loyalty and general
>desirability of Jaguar that is expressed in every focus group of
>potential buyers we conduct. Jaguar is slowly shedding it's
>unreliability image and Ford fully intends to see this brand challenge
>us and everyone else for market leadership. Their styling and cache,
>combined with quality will be very hard to beat.
Geez, the same pep talk I've heard every year since 1964.
>(That thump you heard was an XJR running over you.....)
No, it was a Jaguar exploding at a stoplight.
--
Richard Sexton 28...@mbz.org Bannockburn, Ontario, Canada
1970 280SE, 1972 280SE http://www.mbz.org
Jerry
MCBRUE wrote:
>
> If you are a midget, then you can look at that english car, the jaguar. If you
> are normal sized, or even full sized, forget it.
>
> BUT - what does this jag bit have to do with our Lexus board here? Lets stick
> to the subject !!!!!!
>
> mcbrue among the kudzu vines under the bridge in the trailer down by the river
>
> 96 S420
You're correct on both points! (I can't believe I'm agreeing with
McBrue!)
Ruth Ann & Bill Wachsmuth
Choldren, Children! Take it outside!
You're wasting bandwidth, unless you've figured out how to hit each
other over IRC.
Bill
1962 190D
"The best car we have ever tasted." Martha Stewart Living
MCBRUE
Bill Owens
This is funny!!!! I just got up off the floor from laughing so hard..... BTW,
hows your S-Class dooin...
MCBRUE wrote:
> If you are a midget, then you can look at that english car, the jaguar. If you
> are normal sized, or even full sized, forget it.
>
> BUT - what does this jag bit have to do with our Lexus board here? Lets stick
> to the subject !!!!!!
>
> 96 S420
--
Bill
ow...@ibm.net
88' 300E 131,000
85' 380SE 185,000
MBCA Member
"300E, The best car we have ever tested." , Consumer Reports
WRENCH99
British automaking won't be fixed by throwing money at it.
Case in point: An Acura Legend was assembled in England and marketed here as
the Sterling. Within a year, wholesale values of the Sterling wrer HALF those
of the same car with its Acura nameplate. The cars were shoddy. The components:
All Japanese. The conclusion: Not by accident has carmaking in England
practically disappeared.
If you tried to convince me that Honda or Mercedes could buy Jag and fix, it,
I'd be intrigued. But Ford? Come on! They can't even fix Ford production.
Bill Ditmire
www.ditmire.com
WRENCH99
Jaguars continue to sell in VERY small numbers in the US, which is nonetheless
its best market.
Bill Ditmire
www.ditmire.com
Al Savage
On Thu, 18 Jun 1998 02:29:48, Ruth Ann & Bill Wachsmuth
<cup...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> Bill
> 1962 190D
>
> "The best car we have ever tasted." Martha Stewart Living
AHAHAHAHAHA!
asa...@iname.com (email) asa...@cio.net (files > 2mb)
Jerry
You continue to refer to stuff that happened ten or more years ago and
don't know the facts. Apparently you believe that, rather than design &
process, the nationality of the workers and the the country of origin of
a brand somehow determines it's value. As for Ford, I guess you've
missed the fact that Ford has virtually matched best in class quality
for several years. (Oh, I get it, that's an AMERICAN car Company, they
couldn't POSSIBLY know what they're doing now, could they?)
Jerry
Wrong again. You forget they only sell two models, which compete at the
very top of the luxury car ranks. In the segments in which they compete
(large premium sedan, large premium sports) the XJ sedan matches or
exceeds the sales of S Class & 7 Series, and the XK8 OUTSELLs the SL. MB
must not have noticed, that's why they dropped the base price of the SL
$10,000 this year.
WRENCH99
You continue to ignore that I unlike you actually work on the damn things.I'm
NOT hypothesizing, or listening to the ads (same pitch now since 1982) or
imagining things the way they SHOULD be.
Bill Ditmire
www.ditmire.com
WRENCH99
I stated that Jag sells very few cars in the US. Can you name anyone who sells
fewer? Not til you hit the higher-priced stuff like Porsche, Rolls, Ferarri
etc.
Maybe I should have been more emphatic. Jag sells very, very, very few cars.
Bill Ditmire
www.ditmire.com
MCBRUE
PLEASE - remember this is the MB-Lexus board, not some off-breed Jag board.
But all the car sales from Jaguar are to small people who can fit into the
minature space provided for them. And they all drive around going Beep Beep
Beep! And I bet I could back my S class up to one and put it right into the
trunk!
Besides, everyone knows that Bill is right! Had a few friends who owned them.
Allways had to buy them in pairs so you had one out of the garage! Did see one
or two new ones on the road here in Greenville. And I only noticed about a 100
MBs in the time it took to see those two jags! Saw one Jag in NY and about 50
in one weekend. Same thing in Chicago. But wait! I did not go to Chinatown or
Japan town, and that is where there would likely be a lot of the teeny tiny
jags sold!
Sure - I too wish that Ford could do something right and get the Jag fixed.
They used to be pretty before the styling change. And if they made one full
size, well, I might try one.
mcbrue under the bridge in the trailer down by the river
96 S420
Jerry
No, I don't, like you, work in an independednt shop, on high mieage, OLD
CARS. Instead, I'm a service executive (and ASE Certified Master Tech)
with an import luxury car manufacturer. I based my comments about our
Jaguar competitor based upon three years' experience with their current
products, not on their marketing or a set of negative biases based
primarily on the products country of origin.
Since they have a four year warranty there would be little reason for
anyone to bring their late model Jag to you for anything other than an
oil change, so my hunch is you haven't touched anything newer than a
'93. You don't seem very well informed on contemporary products or the
state of the industry in general.
Jerry
Again, probably because you're not well informed on this business, you
ignore the facts, Bill. Jaguar sells AS MANY high end sedans as do MB or
BMW, OUTSELLS the Q45 and the SL. Since they don't compete (yet) with E
CLass, 5 Series or GS, then of course, their overall numbers are lower.
But, again, why accept facts when you can rely on old information and
biases.
Jerry
Bill Jordan wrote:
>
> My understanding is that Jaguar quality has improved substantially in recent
> years. Perhaps Ford management has helped. Quality enhancement has been an
> announced policy of Ford for the Jaguar cars. I tend to give greater
> credibility to the Powers' analyses than less scientific approaches based on
> anecdotal evidence.
>
> Bill Jordan
Unfortunately, unlike you, this NG has a few who prefer to depend upon
personal biases and anecdotes.
Richard J. Sexton
In article <6mc3pd$m...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>,
>No, I don't, like you, work in an independednt shop, on high mieage, OLD
>CARS. Instead, I'm a service executive (and ASE Certified Master Tech)
>with an import luxury car manufacturer.
Really ? Which one ?
What you may not realize, Jerry, is each newsgroup is
it's own little virtual community and people that have been
areound for a couple of years all recognize each other,
so when you barge in here a seeming unknown and start slagging
one of the people that has been real helpful and are generally
rude and obnoxious you are convincing nobody. If you have verifiable
facts, please post them, the constant repitition of "jags ar
grrreat (now)" gets real tired, real quick.
Never in the history of usenet has anybody been swayed by rudeness;
if you have real informaition, post it. We've heard your opinion,
several times.
One of the reasons why many of us drive MB is because of the reliability.
This means you can dive a 5, 10, 20 or 30 year old car and resonably
expect it to behave like a 3 year old GM product. Jags don't do that.
When Jag has been *reliable* for 10 years, we'll talk. Until then
color us skeptical that it can be as reliable as things manufactured
by fine German companies such as Rolls Royce or Cosworth.
The argument that Jag is reliable now becvause Ford is running the show
is pretty shallow. It's kinda like saying "Don't worry about nuclear
power plants because we have a reliable company called Hooker Chemical
to take care of them". Maybe Ford is better now. We'll see in 10 years.
What if Ford gets bored and sells it to Hyundai ?
By the way, Jerry, your From: line in your news reading software
is configured incorrectly:
>From: Jerry <"g.mcg...@worldnet.attnet"@worldnet.att.net>
You might want to fix that.
Have a nice day.
Jerry
Ok, Richard, every time a forum regular (uhh, I guess I don't count,
I've been posting here for 18 months and over that period of time I've
owned 2 MB's, a '97 E320 and now a '98 E430 Sport) makes a stupid
statement that is misleading and isn't based upon fact, I'll just ignore
it.
As far as who I work for, I'll leave it that it's an import luxury car
mfr. that competes with MB (and it isn't Jag). I'm not going to get into
the relative merits of our car vs. MB. The fact that I drive an MB ought
to tell you where I stand.
As far as long-term reliability, the jury is out on ALL of the mfrs
these days because of leasing & general cost reduction across the board.
If you think the MB's of today will run forever like the MB 240's &
300D's of the 70's & 80's, well, we'll see. The same thing goes for our
cars & everyone else's.
Bill has tried to suggest that because old Jags were bad cars (they
were) that the new ones are junk, too. This flies in the face of
everything we know, and contradicts what the press has written in recent
years. He's not in a position to know anything about new Jags becuase he
doesn't live with them and he won't until they go out of warranty.
Ford's not likely to "get bored" with Jag and sell it off. That brand
was a relative bargain for them and it saved having to develop an
all-new brand from scratch (general estimate is that it costs 10-15
billion to start from scratch and there's no guarantee it'll be
sucessful...remember Mazda's stillborn Amati?). It instantly took Ford
into the prestige segment and gave them one of the most revered names in
all of the business, like it or not. What they do with it is up to
speculation, they can either nurture it or ruin it by sticking the name
on rebadged Fords. they bought it nine years ago and if they'd wanted to
do the latter they could have by now. As we see it, the fact that DB
made the move to buy Chrysler simply vindicates Ford's buying of Jaguar.
In a sense it's the same thing, joining segment competitors rather than
trying to start from scratch.
My "from" line continually adds a redundant "worldnet" line, despite the
fact that I've removed it countless times. Netscape can't figure it out
either. Somehow the mail gets through regardless.
Sorry, buit in my view Jaguar deserves all the accolades coming their
way. They're a great old namepleate and I for one hope they're around
forever. I jst hope Ford screws it up so they don't steal any more sales
from the rest of us!
Jerry
Bill Owens wrote:
>
> Would you be so kind to point me to the source of the info...
>
> Jerry wrote:
>
> > Again, probably because you're not well informed on this business, you
> > ignore the facts, Bill. Jaguar sells AS MANY high end sedans as do MB or
> > BMW, OUTSELLS the Q45 and the SL. Since they don't compete (yet) with E
> > CLass, 5 Series or GS, then of course, their overall numbers are lower.
> > But, again, why accept facts when you can rely on old information and
> > biases.
>
Pick up the Automotive News (usually the second week of the month) and
look at the sales figures for year & month. They include sales by model
line and total, and they separate out import & domestic production. They
also show slaes versus the same period the previous year. Unfortunately
I tossed the latest one. I'll post next months numbers.
This very interesting. MB's E Class continues to sell at a bit higher
than last years rate, BMW 5 Series is up substantially, and the GS is
also selling very well. So, we see that E Class has not been hurt by the
strong competition. We feel the medium-premium segment is drawing in
buyers from other segments, either up from below or across from SUV's,
etc.
Jerry
NoRepl...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> Don't mean to ruffle your feathers son, but as one who has driven for
> a long time and owned a lot of cars, here's where I stand. Jags suck.
> Every once in a while, I feel the need for the prestige and beauty of
> one and foolishly buy one. I ALWAYS get screwed. (Purposely present
> tense, because you never know.) The car is unreliable, the service is
> poor, the engineering stinks. Always has, always will. It is the
> heritage of Coventry. Our local MB service stinks, BMW service
> stinks. Dumb bastards can't even keep the A/C working in the old
> 560SL. The Lexus guys fixed it. Here in WNY, we are blessed with
> incompetent piss ants who could give two shits whether your car gets
> home or not. I tried a Lexus, and that is what I now drive. Wife,
> too. Kind of like vanilla ice cream. Always there, always
> dependable. Not much on spunk, heritage, prestige, but dependable.
> Drop it off for scheduled service, get a new one for a loaner,
> although smaller, and pick it up later. No bullshit, no surprises, no
> "Have to order the new ginooger valve from England, Mr. G., gonna' be
> two weeks." If I cannot get there, they pick it up and drop me a
> loaner. I go there to pick it up, it is clean. The service is done.
> I don't even know the service folks by name, but they are still
> pleasant. I know all the MB, BMW, and Jag folks, and they know me.
> Paint your own rosey picture, Jag aficionado, but the days of the
> 120/140/150 are gone forever. Even back then, MB had better cars come
> to think of it.
> They may have "come a long way" as you put it, but I have no
> intention of petting a dog when the prick bit me the last five times I
> tried.
> Sorry for posting my experience, and realize it is not based on
> fact, but it really matters none, as I have been burned for the last
> time on a Jag. 'Course, that's what I said when I sold the 420G.
> (Now that was a beaut.)
>
> On Thu, 18 Jun 1998 22:18:07 -0400, Jerry
> <"g.mcg...@worldnet.att.net"@worldnet.att.net> pecked out:
Another sensible reply.
A 420G???? I think that went out of production in, what 1967? Enjoy your
Lexus.
Bill Owens
Richard J. Sexton
In article <6mch70$6...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>,
Jerry <g.mcg...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>Ok, Richard, every time a forum regular (uhh, I guess I don't count,
>I've been posting here for 18 months and over that period of time I've
>owned 2 MB's, a '97 E320 and now a '98 E430 Sport) makes a stupid
>statement that is misleading and isn't based upon fact, I'll just ignore
>it.
No, what you *could* do is politely post whatever reference backs up your
opinion without slagging somebody that disagrees with you.
John McLean
I have tried to stay clear of this thread but anyway... Owned a '86 Vanden
Plas, Dark Green w/ Magnolia Leather. A really beautiful car inside and
out. Kept it two years and never had one problem with it -- never! My wife
and I still say that Jag was the smoothest riding car we ever owned and that
includes many, many MB. Probably would look at the new ones but the pricing
has left me behind in retired life. I believe Jaguar has gotten over it's
earlier problems and will continue to improve and impact the luxury car
market.
Don't understand the reference by MCBRUE on the size. I never felt cramped
in the Jaguar.
John
'90 300 TE (66K)
'98 Z3 1.9 (1.7K) Now talk about small! ( but larger than a Miata and a
SLK)
MCBRUE wrote in message <199806182000...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
Lee Sharp
Jerry <"g.mcg...@worldnet.att.net"@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
<6mcjqu$m...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>...
|Another sensible reply.
|A 420G???? I think that went out of production in, what 1967? Enjoy your
|Lexus.
Still, Jerry, they have a long and distinguished history of poor quality.
It is a fact. And as a lot of us drive a Mercedes older than the girls we
hit on, this is something we think about. :-) Quality may be "better now,"
but all this reminds me of a quote from the Richard Prior movie, Jo Jo
Dancer. "Baby, I just gave up cocaine... No, really. I quit taking
cocaine. .... About 5 minuets ago." Call me in 10 years. About that time,
the truly sexy looking rag top will have shown it's true colors.
Lee
--
SCSI is *NOT* magic. There are *fundamental technical reasons* why it is
necessary to sacrifice a young goat to your SCSI chain now and then. *
Black holes are where God divided by zero. - I am speaking as an individual,
not as a representative of any company, organization or other entity. I am
solely responsible for my words.
MCBRUE
Hmm .... so all right thinking people agree with me - Jags suck, Lexus is
dependable and does have the best service, and MB dealers are like Jags - they
suck! (Lexus cars are faster than MBs especialy off the starting line - hope I
don't rattle anyone's cage with this true statement)
mcbrue vindicatedly under the bridge in the trailer down by the river
96 S420
WRENCH99
In my vast experience, MOST Mercedes dealers are excellent, and provide good
service. Then there are ther rotten apples...
Bill Ditmire
www.ditmire.com
Jerry
> >
> >96 S420
John,
Interior room is a major Jaguar shortcoming and is the result of 1) a
basically old platform (XJ8 is derived from late-80's XJ40) and 2) their
compromising interior packaging for styling (low roofline). These are
for medium sized people at best! XK8 is not much better.
John McLean
Jerry <"g.mcg...@worldnet.att.net"@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
<6mf2j2$c...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>...
>John McLean wrote:
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---------------------------------------
>
>
>John,
>
>Interior room is a major Jaguar shortcoming and is the result of 1) a
>basically old platform (XJ8 is derived from late-80's XJ40) and 2) their
>compromising interior packaging for styling (low roofline). These are
>for medium sized people at best! XK8 is not much better.
I'm 6' and don't remember any problem but thinking back it was somewhat like
a closed cockpit. Sure did look and ride nice though. My preferences are
now for a new MB wagon or a 528ia Touring due for release some time in
Sep/Oct. Redesigned from the earlier disaster with the double sunroof. I
am impressed with the BMW product, dealership and service. However I have
owned MB for so long I don't know if I can make the change. Time will tell.
Thanks for the clarification.
John
MCBRUE
A great big "attaboy" to george for explaining the size thing with the jags.
mcbrue expanding under the bridge in the trailer down by the river
96 S420
Jerry
In the latest JD Power Initial Quality Study BMW was the big surprize.
They finished a very close second to Lexus overall and the 5 Series was
the number two nameplate, right behind the LS400. Seems like dealer
performance is improving as well. They outsell MB (marginally) largely
due to the 3 Seies and it's variations (M3, 318, etc.) 5 Series is
slowly closing the gap on E Class total sales as well. I advise anyone
shopping for an E Class to try the 5 Series as well. It's a much
different car, but has a lot to offer. The 540i 6 speed reminds me of a
60's muscle car in terms of off the line performance.
MCBRUE
How are the 750 series for off-the-line performance? And are they as big as the
S class? I know they don't have the seat top that moves out like the S class
does.
mcbrue etc
96 S420
AMG280
The 540i 6 speed is one hell of a car!! It is the modern day muscle car.
WRENCH99
Sort of an Olds 442, but without the stigma of low cost!
Bill Ditmire
www.ditmire.com
Tom Wills
No this is not the way must Mercedes dealerships act. Or at least not
my dealership. I own a 1993 300E with 61,000 miles. During the
warranty period my service advisor always made sure that everthing was
in great order. The dealership would call me two weeks prior to date of
need servicing and always made the app. when best for me. I am always
givin a loaner car, and they always call the day after I take my car in
for service.
So I would like to think that your dealership is the exeption and that
most others are like the one that I have described.
Kenneth Thomas VanWie II
Bill Jordan
Yeah. I noticed that. A lot of bias and not a whole lot of inquisitive
fact-finding. I've always had a problem accepting generalizations, realizing
that exceptions are a statistical necessity. But I can also understand the
upset folks have with their unfortunate experiences. It's hard to chalk up a
bitter experience to random events.
Some dealers may be bad, and some employees of some dealers may be bad; and
they may be bad more than some of the time. But I suppose there's some good
left in most folks and most dealers and maybe even most cars. I like my
Tallahassee MB personnel, but haven't always. People are just wired up as
judgment machines and it is generally economical to generalize. (That's a
generalization, isn't it?) Me too, I guess. (One of my daughters, a
31-year-old college graduate, married, professionally employed, recently
informed me that she wouldn't accompany me to the Olive Garden restaurant in
Tallahassee. "Olive Garden has bad service," she said. And how did she know
that? She had bad service at her local Olive Garden in Atlanta. So we ate
somewhere else. It's easier that way.)
Bill Jordan
Jerry
To,
My MB dealer has been outstanding. The sales represenmtative call from
time to time to see if everything's ok, the service department is
outstanding, efficient and quality plus techs. And yes, Mr. McBrue,
spotless loaner cars everytime I go in, which has been infrequent.
Some MB dealers are crap, as are some for all mfrs. It pays to ask
around before you patronize.
Bill Jordan
This is scary. If I read this exchange carefully, it's just possible that
you might be "slagging somebody that disagrees with you." There is merit to
what Jerry is saying. Isn't there?
Respectfully intended,
Bill Jordan
Randy Deyoung
The Sterling was a marketing gimmick, attempting to attract buyers
attracted to leather and wood trim. Ford has improved overall quality
of the Jag by leaps and bounds.
I had a 55 XK140 at one time. It was the most fun one could have with
a car, but I would never drive it more than a 100 mile radius from home.
Randy DeYoung
95 E320
WRENCH99 wrote:
>
> British automaking won't be fixed by throwing money at it.
>
> Case in point: An Acura Legend was assembled in England and marketed here as
> the Sterling. Within a year, wholesale values of the Sterling wrer HALF those
> of the same car with its Acura nameplate. The cars were shoddy. The components:
> All Japanese. The conclusion: Not by accident has carmaking in England
> practically disappeared.
>
> If you tried to convince me that Honda or Mercedes could buy Jag and fix, it,
> I'd be intrigued. But Ford? Come on! They can't even fix Ford production.
> Bill Ditmire
> www.ditmire.com
WRENCH99
"...but I would never drive it more than a 100 mile radius from home."
And what has your experience been with your new Jaguar?
Bill Ditmire
www.ditmire.com
WRENCH99
Jerry wrote "...Since they have a four year warranty there would be little
reason for
anyone to bring their late model Jag to you for anything other than an
oil change, so my hunch is you haven't touched anything newer than a
'93. You don't seem very well informed on contemporary products or the
state of the industry in general."
Well they do make it into my shop. The nearest Jag dealer is fifty miles away,
and doesn't work weekends. We are the ONLY AAA-Approved import shop in three
counties, and it's the odd weekend that doens't have one or two twoed in. Or
sometimes, just quit at the traffic light out front.
Jerry, maybe you are right. We only see the old ones. Last one was a 1997
model. For a Jag, that IS old. Only machine I know gets obsolete faster than
software!
Bill Ditmire
www.ditmire.com
MCBRUE
Maybe they need to take all the software out of the jags so they would age
slower? And that would leave a little extra room in them too.
mcbrue under the bridge in the trailer down by the river?
96 S420
Jerry
One really shouldn't compare, say an S 420 with a BMW 750, as the BMW is
a V12, displaces far more than the small MB V8, etc. FWIW, 750's are
very fast. The newer 7 Series (post-94) is a lot more of a performance
car than the stately S Class. They appeal to entirely different buyers.
Again it's just my opinion, but if I was to group all of the cars in
this segment (S Class, 7 Series, XJ and even LS400) the 7 Series wins
hands down. OTOH, I don't like cars in this segment! <G>
Jerry
MCBRUE wrote:
>
> A great big "attaboy" to george for explaining the size thing with the jags.
>
>
> 96 S420
The SIZE thing? Are you bragging now???!!
(A friend says everyone driving MBs, BMWs, Porsches, J@#$%rs, etc. ALL
have a size problem....he drives an old rusty Jeep CJ.)
Jerry
AMG280 wrote:
>
> The 540i 6 speed is one hell of a car!! It is the modern day muscle car.
Well, now that I finally got my E430 Sport, I see MB will finally bring
over the E55. (Probably for a ton of extra money, but what's money
anyway, especially when you don't have any?) We'll have to see how the
two stack up performace wise.
FWIW, after lusting after an E 420/430 Sport for a year I couldn't
believe my E Sport came WITHOUT the 17" AMG wheels, but had funky, cheap
looking five spokes instead. I wouldn't take the car until the dealer
got me a set of AMGs (took them off another car in stock). Apparently
the E55 and other dedicated AMG models will be the only ones to have the
cool wheels & stuff. Maybe the fact that I got lucky right at the point
of a spec change will keep me from plunking down MORE money next year
for the E55. Then again, maybe not.......
WRENCH99
>MCBRUE wrote:
>"attaboy" to george for explaining the size thing with the jags.
Size doesn't really matter, does it?
Bill Ditmire
www.ditmire.com
Bill Owens
Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee......;-)
MCBRUE wrote:
> Maybe they need to take all the software out of the jags so they would age
> slower? And that would leave a little extra room in them too.
>
> mcbrue under the bridge in the trailer down by the river?
>
> 96 S420
Al Savage
Around here, we say that about the guys with jacked-up 4x4s, with the
lights on the roll-over bar.
In other parts of the country, it's the big 10-gal hats & huge belt
buckles.
Benz-envy?
Al
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MCBRUE
Sheesh! Just giving out att-a-boyz for someone taking the time to explain that
a Jag is really a teeny tiny little car, not built for a normal or big sized
human being!
BTW - am having a modification done to a top carrier thingy so that some bright
lights can be put on it and it can mount on the S Class!
mcbrue largely under the bridge in the trailer down by the river
96 S420
Ralph Burnette
What will Jaguar do about the year-2000 problem for the software?
-Ralph Burnette
93 300SD
MCBRUE wrote:
> Maybe they need to take all the software out of the jags so they would
> age
> slower? And that would leave a little extra room in them too.
>
> mcbrue under the bridge in the trailer down by the river?
>
> 96 S420
MCBRUE
What will MB do about the Y2K problem is more important to this ng. Anybody got
any ideas?
mcbrue counting down under the bridge in the trailer down by the river
96 S420
WRENCH99
MBUEe, don't worry about it. The only cars we expect to suffer from the Y2K
problem are the later model, real expensive S-Class cars with all the computer
equipment. The Pre-1995 cars most of us drive will be fine.
Bill Ditmire
www.ditmire.com
MCBRUE
gee Bill - thanks a lot - sure is comforting to hear that only my 96 S420 will
have the Y2K problem. Like they say in the ad - well at least I paid more for
it!
mcbrue counting bits under the bridge in the trailer down by the river
96 S420
WRENCH99
Price
MCBRUE...
It's not really going to be all that bad...
When Y2K kicks in on the 420, it will, however, require you to hire a person
with a lantern and a red flag to walk in front of the car to warn all that one
of those horseless carriage things is approaching... Your insurance company may
require an additional person, equipped similarly, as further protection for the
populace, to be stationed aft...
And you'll have to replace the boys in the back seat with a few bales of hay to
compensate the horses's owners who will, undoubtedly, have to pull the 420 out
of all those muddy ruts... ('Ya see, all of the traffic control systems also
have Y2K problems, so the Interstates and all other paved roads will revert to
1900 standards...)
And you thought your biggest problem was a little chafing on the neck...?
Me boy, get a horse...! :-)
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Am now out side the trailer looking around for a horse. With all this horse
manure, I know there must be a horse somewhere around!
mcbrue hopefully looking near the trailer down by the river under the bridge
96 S420