I agree the ML320 is not MB's best looking design to date. But that's
very subjective. Some people really like the vehicle. My subjective view
of the Lexus RX300 is that it's highly derivative. It looks like Lexus
tried to copy the look of the MB. It really doesn't look very original.
I don't think it even has 4wd Lo range. And the GS400 is a really ugly
car. I had the opportunity a few weeks ago to purchase one and while I
liked the performance aspect, I decided I couldn't live with such an
ugly vehicle. It's like being married to an ugly woman. Every morning
you wake up and she's still ugly.
If you think the Ml320 is the worst SUV built to date then you obviously
haven't seen the Dodge Raider, Suzuki Samurai, or any number of Kia's.
If you've got the bucks and want a real 4x4 and can deal with the
maintenance, get a Range Rover 4.6 HSE.
Chris wrote in message <6ea095$p8f$1...@madmax.keyway.net>...
On Thu, 12 Mar 1998 16:54:20 -0800, "Chris" <stri...@keyway.net>
wrote:
On Thu, 12 Mar 1998 16:54:20 -0800, "Chris" <stri...@keyway.net>
wrote:
>The ML320 is crappy, if your gonna get a SUV in that pricerange get a Lexus
>RX300. It is A LOT better and does not look crappy like the loaf of brea
"Dear Lexus,
Your product is quite nice, it's your customers that need to be
redesigned and improved...."
>The ML320 is crappy, if your gonna get a SUV in that pricerange get a Lexus
>RX300. It is A LOT better and does not look crappy like the loaf of bread
>ML320.
I've driven the ML320. I'd not trade my '93 Grand Cherokee for it
(even with the dying tranny). It had nothing going for it under the
guise of Mercedes. The ride was not very good, the seats a let down,
the view was alright but no better than an average mini-van. Someone
at the dealership (on the staff no less) was talking to another sales
associate and I thinkt hey hit it on the head. "Look at it this way,
Mercedes just redesigned the Mazda MPV.. You know? The AWD mini-van?"
When I looked closer he couldn't have been more accurate. The tranny,
for all of it's gears, hunts and pecks while driving. The acceleration
is not very good (coming from a Miata driver that says something
though comparing it against the V8 in the Jeep isn't fair). Fit and
finish were good. Quality fo workmanship seemed good.. but the package
was just not a Mercedes. It even lacked the proper door switches for
the seats, the refined console, the feel, etc. Nothing about the car
(It's more car/minivan than it is an SUV) was Mercedes. I can see why
Porsche pulled itself from the project. I think it was a wise move.
The ML320 does hit one thing on the head: Perfect price point! They
could have charged more for it but they didn't. I think for most
people and their intended use it's a fair amount charged for what you
get. It is off-road capable but the extent most will use it (snow
skiing, the odd forest road, etc.) will suit the target of the ML
perfectly.
>Also performance is better and the interior is a whole lot more
>organized, the controls are easier to operate, the second row has more leg
>room, and the car is also quieter, it is also more stable.
As the RX300 isn't on the floors yet (that I know of) I can't compare
the two. It wouldn't take much to improve the interior of the ML,
however. At least in my opinion. (The forward cant of the seats
reminded me of the old Mitsubishi Expo.. when you hit the brakes you
feel like the car is going to throw you through the windshield)
>Oh, PEDRO, if
>your reading this, I am not red with envy at people who have an ML320, I
>have a much better car, A Lexus LX450 and I am already pre-ordering a Lexus
>LX470, I also have an AMG modified S420 and a 190E for my son, and a company
>Lexus GS400. So no, I'm not red with envy, I think that people are stupid
>spending money on the ML320 (The worst SUV built to date).
Hey Chris, people who can afford ML320's, Lexus LX450's, AMG's, etc.
don't tend to brag about it. Nor do they start lines with "Lexus Sux"
or use little Elite (sic) hacker names like "StrikerX". Unless of
course you are the son writing for the account. Do you expect anyone
here to take you seriously when you post this way? I'm glad you enjoy
your overbuilt overpriced LandCruiser (LX-450) which desperately needs
a retuned version of Lexus' own V8, that is, if you even have one. I
question whether or not you have ever even driven the ML or most of
the others of which you claim.
When confronted with two evils I take the one I've never tried!
http://www.mindspring.com/~vdragon
Remove *nolamers* to e-mail.
>Why don't you sell the "AMG modified S420" and buy yourself two more GS400?
>While you are at it, sell the 190E as well and buy your son a little Lexus.
>Your life would be so much easier.
He'd not step down that willingly.. would he? Btw, with Lexus's
competition to the 190 being the Camry..err.. E-320 I'd rather stick
with the 300E myself.. At least it has the proper wheels being driven
and does something when you put your foot into the throttle.
>The ML320 is crappy, if your gonna get a SUV in that pricerange get a Lexus
>RX300. It is A LOT better and does not look crappy like the loaf of bread
>ML320.
Has anybody else noticed that the Mercedes-Bubba SUV looks just like a
Geo Metro on steroids ? I suppose this is what you get when you pass a box
thru a wind tunnel.
Dr. P
Rexven wrote in message <6ebq6m$is2$1...@camel29.mindspring.com>...
>I've driven the ML320. I'd not trade my '93 Grand Cherokee for it
>(even with the dying tranny). It had nothing going for it under the
>guise of Mercedes. The ride was not very good, the seats a let down,
>the view was alright but no better than an average mini-van. Someone
>at the dealership (on the staff no less) was talking to another sales
>associate and I thinkt hey hit it on the head. "Look at it this way,
>Mercedes just redesigned the Mazda MPV.. You know? The AWD mini-van?"
>When I looked closer he couldn't have been more accurate. The tranny,
>for all of it's gears, hunts and pecks while driving. The acceleration
>is not very good (coming from a Miata driver that says something
>though comparing it against the V8 in the Jeep isn't fair). Fit and
>finish were good. Quality fo workmanship seemed good.. but the package
>was just not a Mercedes. It even lacked the proper door switches for
>the seats, the refined console, the feel, etc. Nothing about the car
>(It's more car/minivan than it is an SUV) was Mercedes. I can see why
>Porsche pulled itself from the project. I think it was a wise move.
>The ML320 does hit one thing on the head: Perfect price point! They
>could have charged more for it but they didn't. I think for most
>people and their intended use it's a fair amount charged for what you
>get. It is off-road capable but the extent most will use it (snow
>skiing, the odd forest road, etc.) will suit the target of the ML
>perfectly.
>
Couldn't agree more with your statement that the ML resembles the Mazda MPV.
I have an MPV and was going to replace it with the ML, but after my wife
looked at the brochure her conclusion was it looked strikingly similar to
the ML. Needless to say, it's off the list.
Terry
K.Devlin
1984, 230E
121,000 miles
1988, C1500
89,000 miles
Chris wrote:
>
> The ML320 is crappy, if your gonna get a SUV in that pricerange get a Lexus
> RX300. It is A LOT better and does not look crappy like the loaf of bread
> ML320. Also performance is better and the interior is a whole lot more
> organized, the controls are easier to operate, the second row has more leg
> room, and the car is also quieter, it is also more stable. Oh, PEDRO, if