MCBRUE, Get a life man....
Steve
...or a job. Now that you have lost your $10K due to your own
incompetence, maybe you should work on something productive to either earn
your money back or therapy to help you grow beyond this childish prattling.
Take up fishing, or maybe charity work.
S. Perry
Jerry McGeorge
Thank You! This guys sorta like a gnat that won't go away.
Click9
No, MCBRUE's main problem is that he is VERY egocentric
He states he was victimized by everyone (though I am sure 'like most
egocentric people' will deny this)...Mercedes for making a poor car, Mercedes
dealerships for charging too much to repair, etc....when ultimately, if he
would listen to what we have written, instead of spending so much time
defending himself (fat chance) he would realize that he has to look at himself
for being so trusting of a mechanic that obvioiusly sold him a "bill of goods"
about a car that was not in good condition, and probably had been abused.
If nothing else, if his mechanic was worth his weight in salt, he sould have
warned McBrue that Mercedes are not good cars, and they ALL need the seals and
gaskest replaced at 70,000, and that it will cost you thousands to keep one in
good repair.
BUT...MCBRUES mechanic is obvioulsy not to be trusted, and Mercedes are hardly
ever like the one he had.
It just a shame he cant seem to see this without being so sarcastic about his
resolve.
MCBRUE
Trying to rebuild my life, hard though it be. Maybe someday I will get a life
again -- can't afford to put food on table after big loss in car market - can't
drive to work with unreliable car so can't get a job - and I am so stupid that
I had trusted a dealer who sold me a used car with his own personal warranty
which he honored to the tune of $1,000 ! - now trying to do charity work by
telling my tale of woe to impress on all that the MBs are not the reliable
trustworthy cars that they claim to be and that the MB dealers admitt it when
you ask them if this is normal behaviour for an MB. And sometimes I do see
something humerous - like the air bags that get set off by non-MB phones used
in MBs or the windshields on the new $50,000 cars that have to be polished with
jewlers rouge! Or any of the other little problems you see here on the board.
Ah well - Happy New Year from gnatville !
MascStudTx
MAN-O-MAN....even his attempt at humor sucks
JohnC507
There was an old boy named McBrue
Who we'd love to find a life too.
But, alas the poor lad
Sees all so darn bad
That we must kindly wish him adieu!
:-)
John
MCBRUE
No more so than mcbrue wishes the MB adieu !
E 55 AMG
In article <19971228024...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, mcb...@aol.com
(MCBRUE) writes:
>No more so than mcbrue wishes the MB adieu !
How about at least wishing the NG adieu and leaving it for good?
Danny
Chuck Massey
MCBRUE wrote:
>
now trying to do charity work by
> telling my tale of woe to impress on all that the MBs are not the reliable
> trustworthy cars that they claim to be and that the MB dealers admitt it when
> you ask them if this is normal behaviour for an MB.
Hey MCBRUE...
Sorry I have just started reading this ng again and have apparently
missed your gripe with MB.
I have been busy fighting off someone like you in another ng.
I guess you got burned on one.
Just what type of vehicle do you drive now?
What was the most reliable vehicle that you have owned?
Other than your MB, what was the worst vehicle you have owned?
Just curious...
--
Chuck
Masculine1
Yikes, your gonna get him started again.
I am sure EVERY other vehicle he has owned or will own has been more reliable
than his sorry 400E, that his trusty Mechanic/Salesman (talk about a conflict
of interest......BUT McBrue STILL does not get this point...He thinks this guy
is/was on his side....talk about NIAVE).
Its just so unfortunate that someone judges a Manufacterer on one car that to
EVERYONE B U T McBrue (and the mechanic that sold it to him) was obviously
abused and not maintained as it should have been. Then telling us all the
Mercedes told him it was NORMAL for seals to be replace at 70K when no one
else can seem to get the same info.
He should get a Lexus, and enjoy....nothing says "Ihave arrived better than an
expensive Toyota"
Chuck Massey
--
I guess what I'm trying to get out of him is if he actually judges a
make of cars from buying a used one and lets that represent all of that
make.
I have had excellent luck out of the 3 fords that I have owned but my
parents had 2 fords that were lemons.
I have had a honda that was the biggest piece of crap but bought another
one and it was a great car.
Geez mcbrue...dont judge all MB's just because you got ahold of a lemon.
I own an 83 300d turbo and it has it's share of problems but it is by no
means a lemon...It's a USED car!
Chuck
Click9
Yes, Chuck, McBrue has stated just that numerous times in his writtings..he
changes the facts a bit as things went along, but ultimately he does believe
that Mercedes are not to be relied upon .
Masculine1 is right. I think the problem is that McBrue trusted a Mechanic
that should not have been trusted.
Its real simple: The items he mentioned that were in need of replacement, were
not in need of replacement overnight..so either the guy who sold it is a lousy
mechanic and did not see the problems (highly unlikely..since he himself touted
him as an excellent and log term Mercedes mechanic) or, he saw McBrue coming
and sold him a Mercedes that was in need of work
I think most reading what he wrote believe the later to be true.
Lessons are hard and expensive to learn sometimes. Unfotrunately the lesson
you thing you were supposed to learn was that Mercedes are unreliable and too
expensive. The real lesson is that he should never have blindly trust what the
person tells about a vehicle when they are a dealer, trying to make money and
get rid of it....the have a vested interest in saying anything to make a sale.
Sad but true. He should have and everyone should have propective used car
purchases checked by an independent third party.
Too bad he is condeming the wrong entity. Guess he will have this happen
again, since he did not learn THE lesson this time. Kinda sad
John McLean
I'm sorry MCBRUE -- no more BS. I have never heard of a MB Dealer not
giving some type of warranty on a used MB. Most of the cars are
reconditioned and warranted for at least 90 days. If the car is
questionable a dealer will sell it at wholesale -- he cannot afford to sell
a "lemon." I don't know where you are coming from but I wish sometimes you
would go back. I purchased a 90 300TE with only 19,000 miles in 1994 with a
2 year warranty and the car now has 62,000 miles and runs like a new one.
Go buy a Toyota or a Lexus or a BMW and take your griping to another NG.
If you cannot contribute something positive then listen instead of writing,
you might just learn something. John
Click9 wrote in message <19971229233...@ladder02.news.aol.com>...
MCBRUE
Mercedes fleet manager at Greenville Mercedes Dealer did tell me that it is
normal to replace tranny seals at 70,000 miles.And he says that it is normal to
have the windows fog over in these old cars when you start the car up after it
has been driven a while and then turned off. So I do tend to believe that sort
of experience as he sells to the big company fleets!
Certainly on here I have seen many comments about the MBs that really do not
say much about their reliability. But you don't buy an MB for reliability - you
buy it for durability. And you buy it for the statement that it makes for you,
I guess. Of course any car that can blow its airbags at you when you use the
phone in the car really does make some sort of statement, and I am not sure it
says much about arriving at anyplace I want to get to ! (Hehehehehehe!)
And yes - I should have had the car evaluated by an independant shop. But the
fact that the selling location did put a 90 day warranty on it lulled me since
the local MB dealer does not warranty his used cars. Truely I was stupid to buy
a used car in the first place! I just don't have the time to screw around with
that sort of thing.
MTrotman
You were ignorant enough to buy a used car without having it checked out by an
independent mechanic - YOUR FAULT!
Now you have made it your part time job to lurk around in the Mercedes
newsgroup to whine about what your stupidity has cost you. Is this your way of
getting revenge?
Do yourself a favor, turn off your computer and use the time you save to get a
job where you can make enough money to buy a new car. No one on this newsgroup
cares about your opinions since they are all about a used car!
Finally, car phones don't cause airbags to deploy - whoever told you this must
have known that it would set you off on some crusade to notify the world. I'm
sure they're enjoying a good laugh at your expense! (Hehehehehehe!)
Chuck Massey
MTrotman wrote:
>
>
> Do yourself a favor, turn off your computer and use the time you save to get a
> job where you can make enough money to buy a new car. No one on this newsgroup
> cares about your opinions since they are all about a used car!
>
are you saying that this ng is for new mb's only?
I bought a used mb last year and have received alot of valuable
information from this ng.
That sounds like arrogance to me!
--
Chuck
Chuck Massey
MCBRUE wrote:
> So I do tend to believe that sort
> of experience as he sells to the big company fleets!
Does MB actually have fleet sales? Who would by a fleet of MB's?
> Of course any car that can blow its airbags at you when you use the
> phone in the car really does make some sort of statement
Ok...I have seen the thread about the air bags and cell phones in the ng
but haven't read it because it sounds so stupid.
MCBRUE, have you heard this from MB or an authorized MB dealer or is it
some idiot that is trying to get the crap stirred up in the ng?
That is the most ridiculous thing I have heard all year!
Remember MCBRUE, you cant believe everything that you hear or read.
Don't be so gullible!(sp)
--
Chuck
MCBRUE
In Greenville SC the MB dealer sells his cars without a warranty. When I had my
MB in the dealers in Columbia and Hilton Head (on the one trip that I dared to
take it on the road), the dealers did not put warranties on their cars either.
The Greenville SC dealer has a salesman who identifies himself as the fleet
dealer. Darned if I know why they need one - but they got one.
The airbag blowing up from phone conversations seems quite far-fetched to me
too. But it first came out of England on this ng after many questions were
asked about why MB has the statement in the owners book about not using a phone
inside the car. And no one has contradicted it. We all know that the English
are above that sort of practical joke mentality, right?
Sorry - gotta run now - would like to stay and play but I have to go try to
get a job so I can buy a new car. Hmmm ..... lets see ..... if I buy a new
MB I will need to get some jewlers rouge for the wavy windows ...... and it
better not be a sales job requiring that I use the phone inside the car
........ and since the car just screams money and arrival, maybe I better not
try to buy one if I have a job working for someone because they will start
wondering how I can afford one, thinking I am paid too much or checking the
books - gee, I sure wouldn't want my new bosses at Mickey Dee's (that is
MacDonalds - a sort of old line dining establishment chain for all you arrived
types) getting all upset.
MascStudTx
Of course Mercedes does not have fleet sales. How obsurd for McBrue to even
say such a thing. Fleet sales for who?
This just is one more example of McBrues attempts to skew what is really going
on.
The airbag thing is hillarious.....just how stupid are people?
MCBRUE
I STAND CORRECTED - called over to the dealer - the gentleman in question is
really the Corporate Market Manager. But when I was speaking with him on the
lot, I spoke with him thinking he was fleet sales manager and even asked him if
his position meant that he dealt with the large companies. He said it did and
we agreed that meant that he had a broader base of experience with the cars.
And he is an experienced fellow and said that it is normal for the tranny seals
to go out around 70,000 miles.
I agree - it must really be funny to see the air bags go off when some poor MB
driver picks up his phone to use it. Of course, I am not so sure the drivers
find it so amusing. And I did not report this - it comes from England.
Jerry McGeorge
MB does indeed sell to fleets, they have a large number of vehicles with
Budget Rent-A-Car, as well as private fleets.
Chuck Massey
Well MCBRUE,
When I called the aurthorized MB dealer in Greenville, S.C., Carlton
Motorcars, they told me they did did not have a fleet sales manager,
fleet sales person, or anyone with the title of "Corporate Market
Manager".
I had a conversation with the pre-owned sales manager and he assured me
that all of the vehicles he sells that have or are offered a warranty of
some kind. My understanding is he doesn't carry vehicles with over 100k
miles.
The airbag situation... He said that he has never heard anything of
that. I would think that he would be a good source on that.
MCBRUE, did you buy the car from Carlton or from Southern Star, which is
NOT an authorized dealer?
If you bought from Carlton, I think you are full of crap and need to get
a life.
If you bought from Southern Star or another dealer maybe you should buy
from an "aurthorized dealer" next time!
Actually, I don't believe that you have ever owned a MB, have alot of
time on your hands and just trying to get crap stirred up!
You probably drive a 73 Dodge Dart, right?
You might want to check out rec.music.country.western and get with
"surge" and "drmjohnson". They like to cause trouble too and you three
might get along well together. Maybe even get your own ng started. Call
it alt.need.to.get.a.life !
bye!
Chuck
MascStudTx
Trust me, the number of vehicles Mercedes might sell, to Rental Car
companies...but I can assure you that a dealership in NC, does not have a Fleet
manager. And I would bet that even Mercedes does not have such a singular
person. Granted there is someone who manages it, but I doubt its his title of
only job. Big corprations do not buy large number of Mercedes for there
employees, nor to Rental car companies, they have a select few and a select few
agenies.
But, more my point McBrue, just makes stuff up as he goes.
MCBRUE
Look at whose hand has the swizzle stick to stir the stew ! Not my hand. In my
hand I have the card of the fellow who is the corporate market manager. And he
gave it to me. And it says corporate market manager. Sorry Charlie, you are
wrong.
Anyway - I gotta go out and put some moonshine in my 64 dart - gonna get cold
here tonite. Then maybe I'll just mosy on over to the new group for MB owners
to read while they sit around waiting to get their tranny seals replaced - its
called alt.get.a.life
PS - I did not buy it at the official MB dealer, but at a reputable used dealer
who did warranty it out of his own pocket. Official MB dealer did not have
warranties on his used cars over 50,000 miles last spring. Maybe he does now,
and that would be an improvement. The car had less than 100,000 miles when I
got it.
Happy New Year to all !
Chuck Massey
MCBRUE wrote:
>
> Look at whose hand has the swizzle stick to stir the stew ! Not my hand. In my
> hand I have the card of the fellow who is the corporate market manager. And he
> gave it to me. And it says corporate market manager. Sorry Charlie, you are
> wrong.
>
>
> who did warranty it out of his own pocket. Official MB dealer did not have
> warranties on his used cars over 50,000 miles last spring. Maybe he does now,
> and that would be an improvement. The car had less than 100,000 miles when I
> got it.
>
> Happy New Year to all !
--
MCBRUE...
You are misleading.
You are leading people to think think that you bought the car from the
authorized MB dealer, which would be Carlton Motorcars in Greenville.
So, is it the MB dealer or the used car dealer that has a "corporate
market manager"? According to Carlton it's not them.
You need to be clear on what you are saying!
Now you are saying that the "dealer" that you bought the car from DID
offer a warranty.
If he did why didn't he take care of your problems? Must not be the
"reputable dealer" that you said he was.
Don't you think that a car with over 50k miles just might have a thing
or two wrong with it?
Like someone in an earlier post in this thread said, a car that has
problems with it and doesn't pass the inspections at an authorized
dealer will be wholesaled to used car lots that sell junk!
Anyone who would buy a car like a MB, BMW, Jag, etc... from a used car
lot is asking for trouble!
Stop your whining MCBRUE!!
Chuck
Mike
LIFE'S A BITCH
MTrotman
>Not trying to get things stirred up any more than what it already is but
>are you saying that this ng is for new mb's only?
>I bought a used mb last year and have received alot of valuable
>information from this ng.
>That sounds like arrogance to me!
My apologies to Chuck and the group. The message I intended to convey was that
few people are interested in the complaints of some idoit who buys an old MB
off a used car lot in front of a mechanics shop. Then he makes it his part
time job to spew misinformation about the brand on a newsgroup populated by
people looking for helpful information.
Jerry McGeorge
Since I work for one of MB's competitios I can tell you with authority,
MB most certainly does have someone in this capacity, as do BMW and
ourselves. Rental companies large & small buy a significant number of
premium luxury cars every year.
Kirill A. Gomelsky
Has McBrue really owned an MB, I mean was he not the same guy that posted
here a while ago about gold trim on the M-class. I have an eight year old
SL and the only thing I have done to it was replace the wiper blades and
change oil. Not a major problem yet (knock, knock) and it rides like a
dream.
Funny thing, I gave my friend a ride to the Nissan dealship. He bought an
Altima, as soon as they worked out a deal some guy sits down and tries to
sell him "Acid rain protection for his new car". I looked at the guy and
said" see that car over there it's 8 years old, and it has one ding in the
paint that's it."
His answer was, that's a Mercedes, different paint.
-- Kirill Gomelski --
Kirill A. Gomelsky
E 55 AMG <e55...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19971228185...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
I'll second that.
-- Kirill Gomelski --
John J. Nunes
In message <01bd1625$2bddd040$f7062299@default> - "Kirill A. Gomelsky"
<us...@msn.com> writes:
:>
:>Funny thing, I gave my friend a ride to the Nissan dealship. He bought an
:>Altima, as soon as they worked out a deal some guy sits down and tries to
:>sell him "Acid rain protection for his new car". I looked at the guy and
:>said" see that car over there it's 8 years old, and it has one ding in the
:>paint that's it."
:>His answer was, that's a Mercedes, different paint.
You use a salesman's statement as an example?
MCBRUE
Happy New Year !!!!!
We all can look foreward to many fascinating exchanges throughout the coming
year I am sure.
No, for the record, I did not ever comment about gold trim on a Mercedes. Gold
trim looks tacky in my humble opinion (imho before one of you really
experienced netizans tells me).
Click9
WOW, I actually agree with McBrue...YIKES <G>
MCBRUE
True - life is. But then you die !
Gee - do you mean that there is hope for my MB? That maybe it too will die?
Chuck Massey
Apology accepted!!
Thinking about it I might have taken what you were saying the wrong way
too. If so im sorry about that. My wife says that I have a habit of
doing that.
I agree with the last statement 100%
Hope you have a great new year!
--
Chuck
Bob Mahoney
MCBRUE (mcb...@aol.com) wrote:
: I agree - it must really be funny to see the air bags go off when some poor MB
: driver picks up his phone to use it. Of course, I am not so sure the drivers
: find it so amusing. And I did not report this - it comes from England.
McBrue, you moron, kindly produce references of actual deployment
incidents. Weak minds cling to urban legends. Reality is just too boring
for the McBrue clan.
Add this to the McBrue FAQ: Urban legend supports McBrue point of view.
Not just any urban legend, but an urban legend STRAIGHT FROM ENGLAND.
Bob Mahoney
MCBRUE (mcb...@aol.com) wrote:
: get a job so I can buy a new car. Hmmm ..... lets see ..... if I buy a new
: MB I will need to get some jewlers rouge for the wavy windows ...... and it
Just so everyone knows what this moron is talking about, he saw an early
post re. how to remove scratches from an old, used windshield.
On a quality vehicle, the (typically) intelligent owner will notice things
like a sand scratch on the windshield. The intelligent owner will know
that heavy use of polishing compounds will either cause waviness by
removing material (this is the part McBrue is blaming on Mercedes, he
didn't bother to understand the post), or the polishing process will
create too much localized heating of the glass, breaking it.
McBrue, on the other hand, will blame the ocean for breaking up the rocks
that made the sand, that blew in the wind to land on the wiper, that
scratched the windshield, and caused the nasty mechanic to create waviness
in a windshield when attempting to polish it.
Perhaps he won't blame the ocean, perhaps the grain of sand that caused
the scratch is the fault of the glacier that melted to form the ocean that
broke up the rocks . . .
Please add this info to the McBrue FAQ: McBrue blames glacier for
destroying MB windshield clarity.
bob
MCBRUE
Hi Bob ! Rough nite huh?
What I had seen and was refering to about the jewlers rouge was the posts on
the new E320s that had streaks in the windshields under the wipers. Several
different possibilites were suggested. But the best solution seemed to involve
the fact that the factory had produced glass of uneven thickness. Sorry, but I
did not read the earlier post about the scratched used windshield. I have not
had to worry about such things before getting into the MB family. Just allways
took a car in and said to fix it and they did, but those were not MBs. And this
one of mine is a used monster, the first used car I ever bought.
Chuck Massey
MCBRUE wrote:
>And this one of mine is a used monster, the first used car I ever
>bought.
And for everyones sake I sure hope it's the last!
Chuck
Kirill A. Gomelsky
Dr.Eggman wrote in message <69s7lc$41...@sail.pompano.net>...
>Mercedes or BMW.
>Which is overall a better car?
>Hmm...
>Louis. : )
Overall there is no doubt that the MB would win hands down. Also with so
many new MB models lately Mercedes makes a mich wider variety of vehicles
than BMW. However looking at a particular class of the large sedans BMW
740iL (not the 750, which has a nightmare of an engine) beats the current
S-class.
-- Kirill Gomelski --
MBCA
90 500 SL
98 ML 320
Dr.Eggman
Richard J. Sexton
In article <69s7lc$41...@sail.pompano.net>,
Dr.Eggman <Spu...@Mediaone.net> wrote:
>Mercedes or BMW.
>
>Which is overall a better car?
Dunno, BMW's are sporter, but I know a lot more happy
Benz owners than BMW owners. The latter, when asked
always seem to to say, great car, but not worth the
hassle.
--
Richard Sexton 28...@mbz.org Bannockburn, Ontario, Canada
1970 280SE, 1972 280SE http://www.mbz.org
JohnC507
>Subject: Mercedes vs. BMW
>From: "Dr.Eggman" <Spu...@Mediaone.net>
>Mercedes or BMW.
>
>Which is overall a better car?
>
Its a matter of choice. But consider. The depreciation on the BMW over the
first few years is much faster than Mercedes. You can get a darn good deal on
a l994 or so 7 series! The Mercedes tends to age well- look at an older
mercedes, as the l986 E class, or a l983 500SEC, and they still look good in
l998. BMW's age quick in appearance. Conventional wisdon is that the BMW
handles better and that it is a real drivers car. But I have always questioned
the thought that the Mercedes does not handle as well. The Mercedes design
criteria are different, but, when pushed to the limit, the Mercedes handling
limits are truly amazing-- its just that few Mercedes drivers push the cars
that hard. On a Merceess in a corner, the car has more body roll than the BMW.
However, the Mercedes leans only to a point, sets up and has great cornering
ability. Also consider the dealer situation in your particular area. Some
dealers, both BMW and Mercedes are absolutely lousy, unreliable and will
overcharge, even without doing the repairs as represented. So check out the
dealers from people who use them.
JohnC
Satish Tummala, M.D.
I once asked a Mercedes/BMW salesman regarding a 1991 560SEL vs. BMW 750IL.
He told me, "When in doubt, always buy a Mercedes. Much higher resale given
constant depreciation terms across the board. Everyone in the car business
knows this..." I wasn't exactly convinced so a local call to my public
library for BLACKBOOK (the most current official figures at any one time)
and some simple math proved him to be correct. At least back then...
Satish
stum...@tir.com
Reg Diodati
Having driven a BMW and an Audi 5000S Turbo a while back, and now having the
'87 260E, I find the BMW and Audi would say, after a delightful country road
at speed, "Wow, that was scary, but we did it!" However, the Mercedes says,
"What the hell did you expect?"
Reg Diodati
JohnC507 wrote in message <19980118141...@ladder02.news.aol.com>...
Steve
When entering into this perrenial discussion, I am always reminded of what a
dealer friend of mine said who sold both cars. He said, if you are only
planning to keep the car for two years by the BMW. If you want to have it
longer than that the Mercedes. I think there is a world of wisdom in that
admonition. BMWs are indeed a lot of fun to drive, (maybe because they
allow you to expereience a little of that "whew we made it" feeling. Long
term though, Mercedes seem to provide an almost bed rock feel to them.
A couple of weeks ago I had to do a very scary manuever at 70+ mph in my 83
300TD, wheels screeching in a semi sideways skid down the freeway. The car
recovered so transparently I was astonished. I never felt that I was at
risk of rolling although I think in many cars I would have definetly flipped
over.
I think the only way to make a clear comparison is pobably to live with one
for a while.
Steve
Kirill A. Gomelsky
JJSuh wrote in message <19980120175...@ladder02.news.aol.com>...
>I will make this very simple...How can you trust an automaker who produced
a
>car like th 320i???
>
>Stick with Mercedes
What year 320i?
I don't doubt that MB is a better car, I just said the current S-class is
not as good as the current 740i.
Kirill A. Gomelsky
James S. Porter wrote in message <6a478u$2...@news1.infoave.net>...
>Satish: the only problem with your logic is that you do have a product
>that has higher resale(in most cases). However, you PAY by driving
>a BORING status symble. Try an 8 or 12 cylinder BMW and learn to
>LIVE a little!.........
Problem is the BMW 12 cilinder is junk. Not many engines have more problems
than the 5.0 V-12 that Bimmer makes. Speaking about boring try the CL600 or
the SL600 even over the 850CSi and there is no contest.
We'll see when the new BMW roadster comes out what it will be like, but I'll
bet the next SL will beat it hands down.
E 55 AMG
Steve:
In article <69tufj$kbc$1...@news.ncal.verio.com>, "Steve" <jsp...@verio.com>
writes:
> A couple of weeks ago I had to do a very scary manuever at 70+ mph
> in my 83 300TD, wheels screeching in a semi sideways skid down the
> freeway.
70+ mph? Wheels screeching? Are you sure you were driving a diesel? :-)
Danny
James S. Porter
>Satish
>stum...@tir.com
Depends on model in question, If you want an expensive,opulent and
VERY BORING auto ,buy a MB or get yourself a V-8or12 BMW and
live a little!!!!!!!
Satish Tummala, M.D.
>Depends on model in question, If you want an expensive,opulent and
>VERY BORING auto ,buy a MB or get yourself a V-8or12 BMW and
>live a little!!!!!!!
Or buy the BMW and have it look completely stupidly outdated when the new
model comes out. Doesn't have the graceful classy lines of a Mercedes. The
old S-class, old SL-s and old E-class still look great and majestic. Look
at the old 380SEC or a 300CE, 450SL, 300TE, beautifully modern yet
classically refined. Compare that to an old 3-series (aka Cadillac
Cimmorran, Chevy Cavalier) or 5-series (downright ugly with that exhaust
pipe in the center). The cheap bumper covers are metallisized rather than
real chrome as well. Plasticy black dashboard looks like a Chrysler
Sebring. Where's the wood, leather, etc.?
Stick with MB who invented the motorcar and most of the technological
innovations that all other manufacturers use as a pinnacle of engineering
quality.
JJSuh
Richard J. Sexton
>>Depends on model in question, If you want an expensive,opulent and
>>VERY BORING auto ,buy a MB or get yourself a V-8or12 BMW and
>>live a little!!!!!!!
According to the Guiness Book of World Records, the fastest
four passenger sedan is not a beemer, it's a benz. The 582 HP
330 km/h Brabus 600 series. See http://www.brabus.com/e12.htm
E55AMG
WOW I thought BRABUS made a BRABUS E73 V-12 to get fastest sedan and wagon.
Richard J. Sexton wrote in message <6a36ej$s01$1...@ns1.vrx.net>...
James S. Porter
"Satish Tummala, M.D." <stum...@tir.com> wrote:
>I once asked a Mercedes/BMW salesman regarding a 1991 560SEL vs. BMW 750IL.
>He told me, "When in doubt, always buy a Mercedes. Much higher resale given
>constant depreciation terms across the board. Everyone in the car business
>knows this..." I wasn't exactly convinced so a local call to my public
>library for BLACKBOOK (the most current official figures at any one time)
>and some simple math proved him to be correct. At least back then...
>Satish
>stum...@tir.com
Satish: the only problem with your logic is that you do have a product
Wewaterski
Don't get me wrong. I like MB and would pick it over BMW anytime.
However, the car you are talking about is a Brabus ! not a MB !
>The 582 HP
>330 km/h Brabus 600 series.
You can't compare a production car with a finely tuned car that has gone
through major changes !
Richard J. Sexton
In article <19980121173...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
I wasn't comparing squat, I was merely pointing out that if you
want to "live a little" you still had options under the silver star.
Kirill A. Gomelsky
MCBRUE wrote in message <19980123134...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
>Please note that the latest insurance industry crash tests prove that MB is
>inferior to both BMW and Lexus in the safety area.
Really ever seen a BMW 3 series convertible take a roll and land upside
down. Not a pretty sight (only Miata could be worse). Now the same
scenario in a R129 SL or a W124 convertible with roll bar/hear rest
protection? Two totally different pictures.
Also the M-class is considered by many to be the safest truck on the road
not only for the occupants of the M but also for those in other cars
involved in a crash with it.
JJSuh
>Speaking about boring try the CL600 or<BR>
>the SL600 even over the 850CSi and there is no contest.<BR>
Agreed! I test drove the 850CSi and concluded that the 8 cylinder 500 was
nicer than the BMW 12
92 500 SL
JJSuh
>What year 320i?
Does it matter?
92 500 SL
JJSuh
>I don't doubt that MB is a better car, I just said the current S-class is<BR>
>not as good as the current 740i
Didn't you just get done telling me that the CL600 and the SL600 are better
cars than the anything BMW builds?
Brian Welch
Someone once told me "Buy a BMW for fun, buy a Mercedes for life."
I don't know whether he meant that the Mercedes' safety features would
save your life or if the car would last your lifetime, but it probably works
both ways.
Brian
Kirill A. Gomelsky
MCBRUE wrote in message <19980124152...@ladder02.news.aol.com>...
>Fine - the convertibles are safer from observations of crashes. And many
>consider the M class to be the safest car-truck on the road. But I am
driving
>the sedan stodgo-type vehicle and now soddenly the Insurance Institute has
>thrown water on the idea of the safety of the MB vs BMW and Lexus ! Note
>carefully that I do not believe the BMW data, but I am puzzled by this. Is
it
>really true that the leader has lost its lead position in safety? Since I
don't
>really want a 30year duration car, and due to my demented status (the
solomly
>considered opinion of many MB netizans) I obviously would not want an MB
for
>the status, I must have been interested in the MB for its safety factors.
But
>now they are not there apparantly! Help!
And you believe everything that the insurance people tell you? Also what
where they comparing, was it apples to oranges. I would not argue that the
LS400 may be safer than an A-class but I seroiusly doubt that there is much
of a difference between the S420 and the LS400. Also according to what I
have read most cars now use the same crumple zones, etc. that MB invented in
the 80s and sold to everyone, correct me if I am wrong.
Click9
The S-Class sedan and the 7 Series are two completely different automobiles.
BMW only wishes it were in the same class and the MB S-Class.
I felt like I was in an overstuffed 5 series when I drove one, the MB feels (as
is) much bigger inside, yet handles and performs exceptionally well for a car
half it size and weight.
I like driving as well as my E class
CMS
MBCA
1998 E300 Diesel
1996 S500
MCBRUE
Click9
WHAT BMW's was more crash worthy than a Mercedes S-Class?
I am SURE no BMW could match the crashworthiness of the S-Class, and if you
have read ANY document that states the S-Class is inferior in crashworthiness
to ANY car post it here.
MCBRUE
Benton Gardner
Interesting discussion... please visit the message board and post. We
welcome the disscusion that will follow!
http://www.InsideTheWeb.com/messageboard/mbs.cgi/mb37390
Ben
Edward Gibson
MCBRUE <mcb...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19980123134...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
> Please note that the latest insurance industry crash tests prove that MB
is
> inferior to both BMW and Lexus in the safety area.
Cites?
Ed
MCBRUE
Ed - for the web sites see the new post on this question of safety. I am rather
puzzled by the results.
Bill Owens
MB invented Crumple zones in the 50's not the 80's!!!!!!
Kirill A. Gomelsky wrote:
>
>
> And you believe everything that the insurance people tell you? Also what
> where they comparing, was it apples to oranges. I would not argue that the
> LS400 may be safer than an A-class but I seroiusly doubt that there is much
> of a difference between the S420 and the LS400. Also according to what I
> have read most cars now use the same crumple zones, etc. that MB invented in
> the 80s and sold to everyone, correct me if I am wrong.
>
> -- Kirill Gomelski --
> MBCA
> 90 500 SL
> 98 ML 320
--
Bill
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