Live Sound Equipment for a School
A. Dendy
school gym. We are looking a getting a portable system. It will mostly be
used for amplifying vocal music performances. Is 200w per channel adequate
for a gym that is roughly 40'x60'? What else should I consider?
Thanks...
John Halliburton
> used for amplifying vocal music performances. Is 200w per channel
> adequate for a gym that is roughly 40'x60'? What else should I consider?
How many people will attend?
Is there a raised stage, or will you all be on the floor?
Are there bleachers, or are chairs set up on the floor?
What is the budget?
How many input channels/mics do you see being used in the system(think of a
maximum number, then round up to 8,12,16,24, and 32, the standard number of
channels that mixers are usually available in).
Once there is more info, better suggestions can happen.
John
A. Dendy
>> used for amplifying vocal music performances. Is 200w per channel
>> adequate for a gym that is roughly 40'x60'? What else should I consider?
>
> How many people will attend?
> Is there a raised stage, or will you all be on the floor?
> Are there bleachers, or are chairs set up on the floor?
> What is the budget?
> How many input channels/mics do you see being used in the system(think of a
> maximum number, then round up to 8,12,16,24, and 32, the standard number of
> channels that mixers are usually available in).
>
> Once there is more info, better suggestions can happen.
>
> John
- Yamaha EMX88S 8-channel powered mixer - $999.99 + taxes
- 2 - S115V 2-way Club Series speakers - $499.99 each + taxes
- 4 AKG D 8000 S Dynamic Hypercardioid mics - 4 x shure 58 - $139.99 each + taxes
- 4 - 20 ft. lo-Z mic cables with XLR plugs - 4 x ys mic cable $15.00 each + taxes
- 2 speaker stands - SKSIIB - $49.99 each + taxes
- 2 Horizon 20', 16-gauge speaker cables - SC25 16guage - $15.00 each + taxes
- 4 boom style mic stands - $29.99 each + taxes (network brand)
Option B
infini...@yahoo.com
>
> a.. 2 - S115V 2-way Club Series speakers - $499.99 each + taxes
> a.. 4 AKG D 8000 S Dynamic Hypercardioid mics - 4 x shure 58 -
$139.99 each + taxes
> a.. 4 - 20 ft. lo-Z mic cables with XLR plugs - 4 x ys mic cable
$15.00 each + taxes
> a.. 2 speaker stands - SKSIIB - $49.99 each + taxes
> a.. 2 Horizon 20', 16-gauge speaker cables - SC25 16guage - $15.00
each + taxes
> a.. 4 boom style mic stands - $29.99 each + taxes (network brand)
Sure you can afford this one. Your price quotes seem a little high. I
don't know where you got the quote from. If a local dealer gave you a
quote, he may be factoring in the time to deliver and set up your
equipment and do some training for you as well.
You can get the entire system you listed for $1200:
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=live/s=mixers/search/detail/base_pid/630118/
> Option B
>
> Same as above with Kustom substitutions of
>
> Mixer - Kustom kpm8420 on Sale $649.99 + Taxes
> Speakers - Kustom KSE15 - Sale $ 199.99 each + taxes
>
Stay far away frin Kustom. The speakers will sound terrible.
You can consider PMH880S Europower Powered Mixer: $349. It is a
powered mixer that has some nice features such as reverb (not that you
will need it in a gym) and Feedback detection.
The Behringer DDX3216 Digital Mixer is nice too m but may be a little
complicated for your system.
This is a nice system but its slightly over your budget. I substituted
the Yamaha CM12V speakers. They have less bass repsonse but sound good
for vocals. Plus its a little more ideal for adding subs later. I
prefer the CM version too because they have a nicer finish (not the
fuzzy furry stuff).
------
Allen & Heath Mix Wizard ~$1000
2 Yamaha CM12V Speakers: ~$600
4 AKG D8000 Mics/stands cables : ~$160
1 QSC RMX 1450 amp: ~$400
Cables/Accessories: ~$50
--------------------------------------------
~$2210
A. Dendy
----- Original Message -----
From: <infini...@yahoo.com>
Newsgroups: alt.audio.pro.live-sound
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: Live Sound Equipment for a School
>> Option A (we can't really afford this one)
>>
>> a.. Yamaha EMX88S 8-channel powered mixer - $999.99 + taxes
>> a.. 2 - S115V 2-way Club Series speakers - $499.99 each + taxes
>> a.. 4 AKG D 8000 S Dynamic Hypercardioid mics - 4 x shure 58 -
> $139.99 each + taxes
>> a.. 4 - 20 ft. lo-Z mic cables with XLR plugs - 4 x ys mic cable
> $15.00 each + taxes
>> a.. 2 speaker stands - SKSIIB - $49.99 each + taxes
>> a.. 2 Horizon 20', 16-gauge speaker cables - SC25 16guage - $15.00
> each + taxes
>> a.. 4 boom style mic stands - $29.99 each + taxes (network brand)
>
> Sure you can afford this one. Your price quotes seem a little high. I
> don't know where you got the quote from. If a local dealer gave you a
> quote, he may be factoring in the time to deliver and set up your
> equipment and do some training for you as well.
Sorry. I should emphasize that the prices I was quoted are in Canadian
funds. I know, still high by Musician's Friend pricing, but MF won't sell
most of their products to Canadians (manufacturer's aggreements)
>
> You can get the entire system you listed for $1200:
> http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=live/s=mixers/search/detail/base_pid/630118/
>
I first saw the Yamaha package here. Do you know any suppliers that can
sell to me from the States of within Canada?
>
>
>
>> Option B
>>
>> Same as above with Kustom substitutions of
>>
>> Mixer - Kustom kpm8420 on Sale $649.99 + Taxes
>> Speakers - Kustom KSE15 - Sale $ 199.99 each + taxes
>>
>
> Stay far away frin Kustom. The speakers will sound terrible.
>
>
Thanks for this.
>
> You can consider PMH880S Europower Powered Mixer: $349. It is a
> powered mixer that has some nice features such as reverb (not that you
> will need it in a gym) and Feedback detection.
>
> The Behringer DDX3216 Digital Mixer is nice too m but may be a little
> complicated for your system.
>
>
> This is a nice system but its slightly over your budget. I substituted
> the Yamaha CM12V speakers. They have less bass repsonse but sound good
> for vocals. Plus its a little more ideal for adding subs later. I
> prefer the CM version too because they have a nicer finish (not the
> fuzzy furry stuff).
> ------
> Allen & Heath Mix Wizard ~$1000
> 2 Yamaha CM12V Speakers: ~$600
> 4 AKG D8000 Mics/stands cables : ~$160
> 1 QSC RMX 1450 amp: ~$400
> Cables/Accessories: ~$50
> --------------------------------------------
> ~$2210
>
Thanks for your input. It is appreciated.
Al
Mike
> in Canadian funds. I know, still high by Musician's Friend
> pricing, but MF won't sell most of their products to
> Canadians (manufacturer's aggreements)
Check out some of the Yorkville stuff.... They're based in Toronto.
Good quality gear for a decent price.
Mike Borkhuis
BillHart,KarenPierce
Definitely the Yamaha or Yorkville speakers over Kustom.
Power needs depend on the speakers, but with those brands at your price
range you will have ample power at 200 watts for a quiet audience. A
crude estimate can be made as follows, which you don't have to
understand if you don't want to because I'm just posting it to allow
others to criticize my assumptions. I didn't research the actual models.
95 dB efficient speakers
23 dB over 1 watt for 200 watts
--------
118 dB SPL at 1 meter
-15 dB for the back of a moderate reverberation room
---------
103 dB SPL peaks
-15 dB headroom for music waveforms peak/avg without clipping
-------
88 dB SPL average at rear of room
A reasonable listening level for a quiet audience is 83 dB unless you
are trying to imitate the rock and roll clubs that blast your ears.
If you only have 100 watts you lose 3 dB from 200 watts, which is just
about noticeably quieter and subjectively a lot more than half as loud.
How bad is the reverberation in the gym? If it is really bad you might
need more than a pair of speakers in order to have all the audience
closer to a speaker, helping them hear clear sound over the reverberation.
And if your concrete blocks aren't painted already, make sure nobody
gets the idea of "sprucing it up" because painting them will greatly
increase the reverberation in the room.
BH
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Phildo
<infini...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1112641678....@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> The Behringer DDX3216 Digital Mixer is nice too m but may be a little
> complicated for your system.
>
>
> This is a nice system but its slightly over your budget. I substituted
> the Yamaha CM12V speakers. They have less bass repsonse but sound good
> for vocals. Plus its a little more ideal for adding subs later. I
> prefer the CM version too because they have a nicer finish (not the
> fuzzy furry stuff).
> ------
> Allen & Heath Mix Wizard ~$1000
> 2 Yamaha CM12V Speakers: ~$600
> 4 AKG D8000 Mics/stands cables : ~$160
> 1 QSC RMX 1450 amp: ~$400
> Cables/Accessories: ~$50
> --------------------------------------------
> ~$2210
I would suggest forgetting about the mixwizard, going for the DDX3216 and
getting ten times the mixer at half the price. Don't forget with the
Behringer you get gates, compressors, FX and everything else built in which
can save a fortune in outboard.
Phildo
Phildo
"A. Dendy" <den...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:reb4e.986Option B
<<<
Same as above with Kustom substitutions of
Mixer - Kustom kpm8420 on Sale $649.99 + Taxes
Speakers - Kustom KSE15 - Sale $ 199.99 each + taxes
>>>
I've had limited experience of Kustom gear but the two times I have used it
were awful. I would suggest looking at Behringer gear to get the best bang
for the buck.
Phildo
David Meed
wrote:
>Sorry. I should emphasize that the prices I was quoted are in Canadian
Which end of the country are you at? (or in the middle?) Might be
someone nearby that can pop over and help.
You might consider using powered speakers. For simple stuff a mic, a
cable and the speaker are your whole PA. Then add the mixer when you
need more inputs. Gives you lots of options (and the equivalent of
two PAs for the price of one when you have other things happening at
the school).
You might also take a look at the Superlux line of microphones.
Inexpensive but apparently fairly decent. I can't speak to their
durability compared to SM58s, but others may chime in.
-----
David Meed <dm...@nbnet.nb.ca>
http://www3.nbnet.nb.ca/dmeed (Sony LANC, DMX-512, Panasonic Control M)
http://www.nbbi.ca
A. Dendy
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Meed" <dm...@nbnet.nb.ca>
Newsgroups: alt.audio.pro.live-sound
To: "A. Dendy" <den...@sympatico.ca>
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 10:57 PM
Subject: Re: Live Sound Equipment for a School
> On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 15:40:13 -0400, "A. Dendy" <den...@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
>>Sorry. I should emphasize that the prices I was quoted are in Canadian
>
> Which end of the country are you at? (or in the middle?) Might be
> someone nearby that can pop over and help.
I am in Eastern Ontario (Brockville).
>
> You might consider using powered speakers. For simple stuff a mic, a
> cable and the speaker are your whole PA. Then add the mixer when you
> need more inputs. Gives you lots of options (and the equivalent of
> two PAs for the price of one when you have other things happening at
> the school).
>
This was an option I was looking at. I am glad to have your input on the
possibility.
> You might also take a look at the Superlux line of microphones.
> Inexpensive but apparently fairly decent. I can't speak to their
> durability compared to SM58s, but others may chime in.
>
I'll have a look at them. Thanks.
> -----
> David Meed <dm...@nbnet.nb.ca>
> http://www3.nbnet.nb.ca/dmeed (Sony LANC, DMX-512, Panasonic Control M)
> http://www.nbbi.ca
Al
sixgun1
like there power mixers for the price. I use a couple of KPM7200's for
practice into 4 Yamaha S12me's...great for vocals
another SM58 alternative...SennheiserE835's...most distributors offer
these in 3 packs which saves you about $80 avg. and they are a good
solid mic in my experience.